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RuHappy69
01-17-2012, 04:14 PM
Since we are $25 million over cap does he restructure? Last year he openly complained about Ben and Rashard yet I don't recall him even making a tackle in the SB. Then this year, especially in the Denver playoff game, he was invisible. I'll be interested in seeing how this plays out.

stb_steeler
01-17-2012, 04:21 PM
Looks like a few will have to agree to a cut or retire......:noidea:

ricardisimo
01-17-2012, 04:23 PM
No. Harrison is underpaid, if anything.

Fire Arians
01-17-2012, 04:45 PM
woodley should give half his paycheck to harrison

tanda10506
01-17-2012, 05:04 PM
Looks like a few will have to agree to a cut or retire......:noidea:

Yeah, and most likely some will retire anyway. There are/should be a few vets retiring that will free up the salary cap. As much as I've loved Aaron Smith, $4 mil on a DE that doesn't play is to much. Hampton and/or Hoke will go, I do think it's Farrior's time, Hines HAS TO restructure or retire. If I was going to have a LB restructure, not Farrior which is a given, I would be looking to Timmons. I don't remember exactly how large his contract was, but I know it was pretty good, and IMO this year he was average. Harrison is a beast, he played contain against Denver like he was told to, you could even see him running from Tebow to get a better contain position on a few plays, he followed the game plan. There is no excuse for last years SB, but usually he makes plays in spite of being held every play. If they ask him he may agree, but with all these fines lately I don't see him wanting to take a cut.

skaaat
01-17-2012, 06:13 PM
woodley should give half his paycheck to harrison

No, Timmons should give half his paycheck to Harrison. Woodley was dominating before his injury. Unfortunately, he just wasn't 100% for the rest of the season after that.

tony hipchest
01-17-2012, 06:30 PM
lets think about tapping into the colon bank before we go insulting a main contributor of this team.

james is the best OLB in the league if you ask me. i guess some could argue ware, but most of them are cowpoke fans and i could care less what they think.

Atlanta Dan
01-17-2012, 06:45 PM
lets think about tapping into the colon bank before we go insulting a main contributor of this team.

james is the best OLB in the league if you ask me. i guess some could argue ware, but most of them are cowpoke fans and i could care less what they think.

Terrell Suggs also might disagree

tanda10506
01-17-2012, 06:46 PM
Is there somewhere online that shows what the players contracts are? What is Colon's contract? He definitely hasn't earned any money, you can't earn money on the bench.

tanda10506
01-17-2012, 06:50 PM
Terrell Suggs also might disagree

And Terrell Suggs would be wrong. Suggs is almost as good as Harrison, but Harrison is held every single play and is still better, realistically Harrison is probably the best with Ware being the next arguable runner up. Remember how well Harrison was playing before all the fines and before O tackles realized that they could hold him all game and get away with it? He's still that same player.

Atlanta Dan
01-17-2012, 06:50 PM
Is there somewhere online that shows what the players contracts are? What is Colon's contract? He definitely hasn't earned any money, you can't earn money on the bench.

These were the preseason numbers (e.g. - after Starks was due $6,575,000 and released he returned for league minimum salary)

http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Pittsburgh-Steelers-Salaries

ItalianSteelersFan178443
01-17-2012, 06:51 PM
He definitely needs to reconstruct his contract along with everyone else got an extension in the last 2 years. Reconstructing doesn't mean you lose money at it just means that the team give you your bonus earlier because the bonus doesn't go against the Cap. I do believe that he will reconstruct because he wants the team to succeed and its not like he is reconstructing his deal so they can draft his replacement. And I do agree that Smith, Hampton, Hoke, and Farrior will be either retiring or release just because they have high deals for how old they are. Although I think having Colon on the line next year can help Ben stay upright I think that we can get a much better RT either in the draft or through FA so I think that we should make Colon a cap casualty and that will help us get under the cap as well. It will the busiest off-season the Steelers have had in a very long time. They do not like to hit the FA market for starters and they really only use to sign PS guys who ST guys. But the Rooney's need to take a look at some good OL FA's as well as CB FA's or they need to do the unthinkable and trade for draft picks.

tony hipchest
01-17-2012, 06:56 PM
Terrell Suggs also might disagreeto no suprise.... every raven player thinks theyre the best to ever play their respective position.

funny how suggs said he was a DE when he thought it would bring him more money.

he's good, but i still need to see him have some impact in games that matter. i wouldnt be shocked if belichick keeps him in check on sunday.

stb_steeler
01-17-2012, 07:02 PM
Harrison wont be cut or have to take a cut. I would like to think Tomlin knows hes a big part of the defense. Hopefully him and Woodley stay healthy enough next season to get the sack pak back in action!

objectivefan
01-17-2012, 09:15 PM
at this point in their careers Suggs is better than Harrison period!
stop sipping the kool aide

tony hipchest
01-17-2012, 09:32 PM
at this point in their careers Suggs is better than Harrison period!
stop sipping the kool aidethen have suggs take a paycut.

chump cant even win a championship! all bark, no bite.

ricardisimo
01-17-2012, 09:39 PM
at this point in their careers Suggs is better than Harrison period!
stop sipping the kool aide
You say that as if it were crystal clear. Why? He's never had more than 80 tackles in a season, and he's never had more than 14 sacks. James has done both, and he got to 9 sacks this year with a broken skull and half a back. That's not bad.

For whatever it's worth, ProFootballReference.com ranks Harrison ahead of Suggs on their AV ranking list. In other words, you're talking like a Ravens fan who's been taking too many Gatorade baths.

tanda10506
01-17-2012, 10:00 PM
at this point in their careers Suggs is better than Harrison period!
stop sipping the kool aide

obvious raven fan :screwy:

BossAus
01-17-2012, 10:53 PM
Ideally, we could move Colon to guard, but that won't happen. With Smith and Hole retiring, cut Battle, Colon, Farrior and restructure Hines. Then we can go out and get Carl Nicks. Also, sign Starks for the min. He showed that he has what it takes to get all the weight off. Also, I like Gilbert but not at LT.

ItalianSteelersFan178443
01-17-2012, 10:57 PM
I would still much rather have Harrison over Suggs and not because I am a Steelers fan, but just because Harrison does every thing better than Suggs. Suggs can go through periods of a game where you do not know where he is and does not do much, Harrison is always around the ball and is constantly trying to make a play. Suggs over pursues and Harrison now that Goodell will suspended for drinking too much water actually under pursues and has led to him missing a few tackles. Harrison is quicker in the pass coverage as well. Suggs is mainly a guy who can just run straight or cover the flats occassionally. And Harrison doesn't need to make fake dumb colleges to get people to think he is cool. Being in Men's Health holding guns and giving every player concussions has made his name big.

Bayz101
01-17-2012, 11:02 PM
I'm sure a lot of players will each take small pay cuts. They've already done it this year, and they'll probably do it this offseason.

objectivefan
01-17-2012, 11:24 PM
At this point in their careers Suggs is a better player than Harrison period!
Stop sipping the kool aide

objectivefan
01-17-2012, 11:25 PM
Suggs= Defensive player of the year

tony hipchest
01-17-2012, 11:28 PM
harrison > suggs.

get over it. defensive MVP?

lmao! been there, done that!

how many rings does ed reed, or "teabag- sizzle" have?

quit sipping his "tea" :coffee: :monkey:

Riddle_Of_Steel
01-18-2012, 12:51 AM
At this point in their careers Suggs is a better player than Harrison period!


Unfortunately, and it pains me ever so much to say so-- he is absolutely right.

1) Suggs is near the top of the league in sacks the last few seasons and is widely considered an elite OLB, while Harrison's star has been waning. He is also shorter of tooth than Harrison.

2) Harrison has yet to prove that he can adapt his game to meet the league's new guidelines and still be productive (and not facing a costly suspension around midseason each year) for the team. Following his suspension, it looked to me like Goodell succeeded in de-clawing the guy-- he hesitates before tackles now, and practially disappeared from our pass rush. I don' t like Goodell's "Socialistball" anymore than the next Steeler fan, but those new guidelines are here to stay unfortunately.

3) Harrison has been invisible the last two playoff games when we needed him the most.

4) Harrison turns 35 this year, if I am not mistaken. This year, he started the season off admittedly at about 30% after the back surgery, and was completely unable to lockdown his side and ensure running plays get turned back inside. When Ray Rice and company gouged us 35-7, most of the huge runs came off Harrison's side. He started to get healthy only to have to sit out another month for a broken eye. We only got about 25% of our money's worth out of him this year, if even that.

5) We had next to no pass rush this year, and it was a large reason why our defense could NOT get off the field on 3rd downs.

I am all willing to chalk it all up to a "bad year"-- he hasn't had one yet. But as far as rating this year's performance against other elite pass rushers in the NFL, Harrison does not deserve to be in the "elite" category this season. I understand that a large part of it was due to injuries and factors outside his control-- but that is life and in the end, only results count.

tony hipchest
01-18-2012, 12:57 AM
harrison is held on every play he doesnt break free and get a sack, cause a fumble or pressure the qb into throwing an INT.

he's also the only player to be specifically targeted in roger goodells vision of nfl arena ball.

players like hines, harrison, and clark/polamalu have entirely changed the league and game much more so than how mel blount did in the 70's.

suggs just kinda blends in and is 3rd fiddle on his own non-championship winning team.

:yawn:

Riddle_Of_Steel
01-18-2012, 01:29 AM
harrison is held on every play he doesnt break free and get a sack, cause a fumble or pressure the qb into throwing an INT.

True, and being aware of this inevitability, is part of football. Saying he gets held on every play is not going to convince the league front office to give us the Lombardi.

If he is not able to overcome this problem, then simply put, he is not useful to us.

he's also the only player to be specifically targeted in roger goodells vision of nfl arena ball.

Very true, but it still does not change the fact that teams in the NFL win championships by outscoring their opponents, not by proving who gets screwed over by the Commissar the worst. If James Harrison is unable to help the team to win champioonships, whether due to Goodell's mucking with the game or not, does not matter in the end.

Much as we hate it-- Goodell's "modifications" to the game are here to stay. We can either learn to deal and overcome, or sit here and praise guys for how good they COULD be if not for the rules getting in their way.

players like hines, harrison, and clark/polamalu have entirely changed the league and game much more so than how mel blount did in the 70's.

I agree, but again, none of the above helps the Steelers to win in January and February.

Harrison HAS changed the league and the game-- by forcing the Commissar to think that the game would be better without defenses and guys like Harrison playing in it.

suggs just kinda blends in and is 3rd fiddle on his own non-championship winning team.

:yawn:

That is only because he plays in the same defense with Ed Reed and Ray Lewis, but I think I would take Sugg's stat line this year over Harrison's....hell, Suggs had more game-changing plays in that week one 35-7 beating than I think Harrison had all year long. At least one or two of those turnovers in that game that ultimately led to our pathetic -11 turnover ratio were contributed by Suggs himself....

:yawn:

Just the sad realities of Steelers football this year....but I don't like it any more than you may, TONY.

tony hipchest
01-18-2012, 01:35 AM
True,...

Very true,



I agree, but again, none of the above helps the Steelers to win in January and February.


That is only because he plays in the same defense with Ed Reed and Ray Lewis, but I think I would take Sugg's stat line this year over Harrison's....

:yawn:

statlines may be great in fantasy football but otherwise,

nothing that you said puts suggs on a pedestal. i have seen the steelers AND james harrison win in jan and feb.

ray lewis is the only raven playing who has a ring.

he did it w/o reed, sucks, and ngata.

:jerkit:

former RB
01-18-2012, 03:12 AM
No, Timmons should give half his paycheck to Harrison. Woodley was dominating before his injury. Unfortunately, he just wasn't 100% for the rest of the season after that.

I remember when woodley got hurt. He had just made a sack and tried to do a celebration. I saw him grimace and he seemed gimpy as he went back to the huddle, like he tore a hammy. Sure enough, a few plays later, he came out of the game with a hammy injury.

When he got the sack and started doing his little celebration with a karate kick, then grimaced, I said out loud "uh-oh, Woodley just strained a hammy". I was surprized that nobody brought it up. It was so obvious that I thought the announcers would say something, or at least the press after the game, or the next day. But nobody said a thing about it.

Shame, a great season down the tubes because of a sack dance.

ricardisimo
01-18-2012, 03:34 AM
I remember when woodley got hurt. He had just made a sack and tried to do a celebration. I saw him grimace and he seemed gimpy as he went back to the huddle, like he tore a hammy. Sure enough, a few plays later, he came out of the game with a hammy injury.

When he got the sack and started doing his little celebration with a karate kick, then grimaced, I said out loud "uh-oh, Woodley just strained a hammy". I was surprized that nobody brought it up. It was so obvious that I thought the announcers would say something, or at least the press after the game, or the next day. But nobody said a thing about it.

Shame, a great season down the tubes because of a sack dance.
That's OK. Rodgers strained his throwing shoulder doing his Discount Double-Check, and look what happened. :noidea:

ItalianSteelersFan178443
01-18-2012, 09:11 AM
Harrison has more raw ability than Suggs because he never got the chance out of college like Suggs, if they were both the same age and same point in their careers than Harrison would be even more better the Suggs. Suggs doesn't blow LT's of the line and he is turrble in the pass game. I do believe that Suggs is a great OLB, but you can not have scheme's around him because you don't know if he will ever get the play started. Harrison is constantly around the ball and even though he doesn't make the play it is a good feeling to the coaching staff that is around the ball. He also has been able to play between the guidelines. Between his last personal foul in 2010 and the suspension it was over a year between them. Plus Colt McCoy is a little b**** and ducked his head at the last second. But unfortunately Harrison is turning 34 this season and that back won't be getting any younger as well. At least Harrison will retire with Super Bowl Rings and not just AFC Championship Rings like T-Suckles, but I guess T-Suckles is the first NFL player to graduate from 2 colleges (Suggs you really need to stop acting like BSHU is cool, the only people who like the Ravens are people from east Maryland, SouthEast PA, and W.Delaware, other than that people around the country think you are still the Browns.)

objectivefan
01-18-2012, 09:37 PM
Whose going to win the Defensive player of the year?
Harrison is a cheap shot artist and you all know it

harrison'samonster
01-18-2012, 09:43 PM
Whose going to win the Defensive player of the year?
Harrison is a cheap shot artist and you all know it

as long as you know it, that's what really matters.

Atlanta Dan
01-18-2012, 09:43 PM
Whose going to win the Defensive player of the year?
Harrison is a cheap shot artist and you all know it

Good luck Sunday - look forward on hearing from you around 6:30 EST Sunday evening on whether your team is going to Indy

Why do I doubt you will be posting?

stb_steeler
01-18-2012, 09:55 PM
Good luck Sunday - look forward on hearing from you around 6:30 EST Sunday evening on whether your team is going to Indy

Why do I doubt you will be posting?

Amazing isnt it how the trolls speak as if they have one of these
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Aura_of_Twilight/crystal_ball2.jpg

LayingTheWoodley56
01-19-2012, 02:41 AM
Whose going to win the Defensive player of the year?
Harrison is a cheap shot artist and you all know it

When I was 12 years old, I took the time to go onto other team's message boards and bash them. I have since realized that while many of us enjoy bantering about our team all day, to go onto other team's boards to troll signifies that you may have way too much time on your hands/are a pathetic loser. Good day sir.

PS - Unless y'all go all the way this year, or at least win the AFC, our 3-0 all-time playoff record vs. you still stands undisputed. Blah blah blah, we swept you this year, blah blah blah - doesn't matter. We've swept you on numerous other occasions - three times in 2008 comes to mind?

objectivefan
01-19-2012, 09:44 PM
Hi guys, my God it doesnt take much to get all your panties in a bunch.
Im not a Ravens fan. I get on their boards and give them a hard time too.
Im a football fan, an "objective fan". I will call out Ravens left and right. I think Reed
has been overrated for the last few years. We hang on to what players used to be.
Harrison has had a great career, but his best days are behind him. Suggs is in his prime.
I would take Troy P. ahead of Reed any day of the week. I'm really a Penn St. football fan,
so you can fire away on that. Anyway relax, I really dont think its that absurd to say Suggs is better
player than Harrison at this point in there careers.

ricardisimo
01-19-2012, 09:47 PM
Hi guys, my God it doesnt take much to get all your panties in a bunch.
Im not a Ravens fan. I get on their boards and give them a hard time too.
Im a football fan, an "objective fan". I will call out Ravens left and right. I think Reed
has been overrated for the last few years. We hang on to what players used to be.
Harrison has had a great career, but his best days are behind him. Suggs is in his prime.
I would take Troy P. ahead of Reed any day of the week. I'm really a Penn St. football fan,
so you can fire away on that. Anyway relax, I really dont think its that absurd to say Suggs is better
player than Harrison at this point in there careers.
Good heavens! This looks like... could it be? Is that iambic pentameter? No, blank verse? Dactylic pentameter? :huh:

Oh, jeezus. Thumpy! Is that you???

jiminpa
01-19-2012, 10:06 PM
Whose going to win the Defensive player of the year?
Harrison is a cheap shot artist and you all know itYou mean like the cheap shot he took a flag for before he ever made contact? If he's a cheap shot artist, then playing football is taking cheap shots. I don't remember Harrison breaking someone's nose. How do you do that with a clean hit? I've never seen Harrison clothesline anyone. I'm sorry that playing football is considered dirty in the No Football League, but that is not on Harrison, it's on the Cheatriots and their marionette in the NFL office.