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PATS16N0
01-24-2012, 05:42 PM
3rd quarter Raven touchdown that got Baltimore back into the game?

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Or blatant personal foul five feet in front of an official?

I've been hearing a lot of Raven fans cry foul like they were screwed out of the AFC Championship. I've been hearing a lot of Patriot hating sports journalist cry on their behalf. I've been hearing a lot of NFL fans claiming the Patriots are lucky to have moved on.

I haven't heard anything about the FACT that the Ravens shouldn't even of been back in the game. You can't grab a defensive player by the face mask on the 8 yard line, hold him at arms length, and drag him into the end zone with you.

The TD that brought the Ravens back into the football game wasn't a touch down. They shouldn't even of been in a position to tie the football game.

This was a blatant face mask rape that started on the 8 yard line, continued all the way into the end zone, and got ignored somehow by the official standing 5 feet in front of them.

Ravens suck. You didn't deserve to win. Instead of crying about losing the game be happy the officials LET you even make it close with high way robbery.

TRH
01-24-2012, 05:44 PM
Uh....no. Clearly a TD.

The Ravens, in fact, should have won the game, period. The Patriots are damn lucky that ball in the end zone was dropped. You're an NFL receiver, you have to make that catch and hold on tight.
I will say i don't think we were a SB playing caliber team this year (possibly yes without all the major injuries), but neither are the Patriots.
Shouldn't be there. Not good representation this year by the AFC.

PATS16N0
01-24-2012, 05:47 PM
How is that a clear touchdown? The receiver grabbed the Patriot by his face mask at the 8 yard line with his arm outstretched, held him at arms length and dragged him.

That's called a face mask. Not a minor face mask. A face mask rape.

How is the defensive player supposed to make the stop when he's being dragged at running speed by his face mask from 8 yards out?

That wasn't a touch down. It should have been a 15 yard penalty.

jjpro11
01-24-2012, 05:50 PM
i called that out when it happened.. Smith lunged into the end zone while holding the defender's facemask.. it's like the guy can't score a TD without getting away with some kind of penalty.

PATS16N0
01-24-2012, 05:51 PM
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There's NO WAY you guys can say this wasn't a blatant personal foul on the Ravens. He grabbed his face mask at around the EIGHT YARD LINE and dragged him into the end zone. That was a BS touchdown.

tony hipchest
01-24-2012, 05:53 PM
I've been hearing a lot of Raven fans cry foul like they were screwed out of the AFC Championship. I've been hearing a lot of Patriot hating sports journalist cry on their behalf. I've been hearing a lot of NFL fans claiming the Patriots are lucky to have moved on.



Ravens suck. You didn't deserve to win. Instead of crying about losing the game be happy the officials LET you even make it close with high way robbery.get used to it patty cake.

the ravens piss poor revceiving unit has been getting away with mugging the opponent all year, along with all the phantom pass interference penalties that have won them games or kept them in them. just check the cardinals game, our 2nd game with them, and the week prior or after. 3 game stretch the refs bailed them out.

you gotta face it, the league doesnt want the steelers to be the NY Yankees of the NFL. and make no mistake about it, the steelers are that dominant. why do you think the league has been making anti steelers rules agains our defense since the 70's? why you think a blind eye was turned towards spygate. the league said our 6 foot 200 lb receiver hit too hard for crying out loud. they made the hines ward rule years ago?

ahs anyone seen a flag yet for an offensive player breaking that rule? nope. because it was a BS ***** rule and everybody knows it.

dozens of helmet to helmet contact has been made on a qb and hits on a defensless wr in this years playoff ALONE.

all went unpenalized because it wasnt james harrison, or ryan clark.

theres nothing us fans can do. many steelerfans still bitch about it. many more just move on and accept it for what it is.

its undeniable. art rooney even stepped up at league offices and was politely told to shut his mouth and get back into his place.

jjpro11
01-24-2012, 05:57 PM
get used to it patty cake.

the ravens piss poor revceiving unit has been getting away with mugging the opponent all year, along with all the phantom pass interference penalties that have won them games or kept them in them. just check the cardinals game, our 2nd game with them, and the week prior or after. 3 game stretch the refs bailed them out.

you gotta face it, the league doesnt want the steelers to be the NY Yankees of the NFL. and make no mistake about it, the steelers are that dominant. why do you think the league has been making anti steelers rules agains our defense since the 70's? why you think a blind eye was turned towards spygate. the league said our 6 foot 200 lb receiver hit too hard for crying out loud. they made the hines ward rule years ago?

ahs anyone seen a flag yet for an offensive player breaking that rule? nope. because it was a BS ***** rule and everybody knows it.

dozens of helmet to helmet contact has been made on a qb and hits on a defensless wr in this years playoff ALONE.

all went unpenalized because it wasnt james harrison, or ryan clark.

theres nothing us fans can do. many steelerfans still bitch about it. many more just move on and accept it for what it is.

its undeniable. art rooney even stepped up at league offices and was politely told to shut his mouth and get back into his place.

the Ravens might not have even been in New England if the refs hadn't missed a blatant helmet-to-helmet late in the Texans game on a key 3rd down play.. that team lucked out and got away with so much this year, i was happy as hell they fell one game short.

PATS16N0
01-24-2012, 06:07 PM
You don't need to sell me on the Steelers. I know who they are. I respect the Steelers, they're the one Patriot rival I respect. I don't respect the Colts, the Jets are like the little brother we beat up for lunch money, but I respect the Steelers...... even though I hate them.

At least we can agree that the Ravens are a piece of shit football team! I've never been so pissed off during a football game for so long. First either Suggs or Lewis tries to SERIOUSLY KILL Green Ellis by going helmet to head AFTER his helmet was ripped off by a face mask, they twisted up Gronk's ankle, Lewis tried to break Brady's back after he was clearly in the end zone and the play was dead, they got a face mask rape touchdown and then have the audacity to complain they got screwed when a Pats defense man stripped the ball out of the receivers hands.

I hate the Ravens. We shut their window of opportunity. The Ravens will never go back to the AFC Championship. Pretty soon all their thug players will be retiring and they'll be the beat down bitch of the AFC.

tony hipchest
01-24-2012, 06:25 PM
At least we can agree that the Ravens are a piece of shit football team! I've never been so pissed off during a football game for so long.You got that right! :cheers:

and i would say you are saying that w/o bias. i can say that w/o the natural bias of them being our rivalries as well, because i really had no rooting interest in that game ans was going to be very pleased no matter who lost.

i saw the same things you did. we see it 2 times every year. the ravens (particularly suggs) arent shy about the locker room bounty theyve had on hines ward for years. ray lewis finally collected, giving him a blatant concussion on a helmet to helmet hit that was w/o a doubt illegal.

= no penalty, but a fine was issued the next day. :mad:

i watch every televised game when the steelers aren playing and i like watching the sideline demeanor of the coaches (this stemmed from how enjoyable cowher was to watch). i like to compare all the others to tomlin who is by far the coolest cat in the buisiness.

john harbaugh is the biggest bitcher and whiner in the league. i say this from observation, not from bias. his brother jim is sorta the same but not nearly as bad.

atleast other coaches will get pissed and tear into their players who commit an obvious penalty every once in a while.

harbaugh has never seen a penalty his team has committed. in his mind they are perfect. the sad thing is the refs pander to this petulant attitude. they went the entire texans game w/o throwing a single flag. thats unheard of. :dang:

im not glad to see the patriots in the SB but am thankful that you stuck it to them in the most painful way imaginable.

it was great.

PATS16N0
01-24-2012, 06:39 PM
I can't help but wonder if that's why Brady plays so poorly against the Ravens. At times Sunday night it didn't look like his performance had anything to do with the Ravens defensive schemes, like when he missed Gronk wide open for what might have been a touch down.

I honestly wonder if he's just always nervous the whole game by cheap Ravens players ending his career and so is extra careful about everything he does.

They're definitely the dirties and most despicable team we have to play. Not sure about the entire NFL because I only watch so many NFC games, but the Ravens are, without question, certifiably pieces of shit.

I don't like them at all and I don't hate them in a "they're a rival, it's fun to hate them" sort way. I hate them in a "you're the scum of the earth on and off the field" sort of way.

F them and F their fans.

TRH
01-24-2012, 07:14 PM
the Ravens are known for hard hitting and Brady never plays well under pressure. This is why i've said for a long time that Brady is way over-rated. I'm not saying he isn't good. He is. But i've never....ever.....thought of him as "the best". And there's no one changing my mind about that.
He's been fortunate to have played behind a ridiculously good line and more oft than not, doesn't see near the pressure that almost every other QB faces. If you put a Philip Rivers behind that line, or Eli Manning, or yes, a Ben Roethlisberger, how do you think they play? You got it...........they play like God too.
Before the last NY/NE super bowl when everybody was picking Brady's team, i said if NY gets pressure to him, he's not going to play well and they're going to win. And thats exactly what happened.

PATS16N0
01-24-2012, 07:20 PM
That's only Brady's weakness. He's not a scrambling quarterback. That doesn't diminish what he is. Tom Brady is one of the greatest because of his ability to read defenses, see through them and rip them to pieces. This and his laser like accuracy.

And he isn't bad under pressure. He's good at shifting back and forth within the pocket and has great instincts for where the rush is coming from, people behind him, the left, the right.

He just isn't good when he is getting completely overwhelmed by a pass rush. Are any quarterbacks?

tony hipchest
01-24-2012, 07:44 PM
He just isn't good when he is getting completely overwhelmed by a pass rush. Are any quarterbacks? ben is.

but i agree with you on brady being able to read defenses (helps when he has all the extra study material to learn from) and his accuracy really cant be denied. either youre accurate or youre not. aaron rogers is completely sick with his accuracy and completes passes i swear no qb should try. so in regards to brady, i can recognize that.

but i also agree he is extra skittish when it comes to facing a team like the ravens. ben is used to it. his 1st taste of the nfl was vs them and hes been whipping their ass ever sense.

bens and brady's numbers bear out how differently they handle the pressure. ngata broke his nose, which appeared to me to be a "careless swipe" doesnt phase ben.

brady (and everybody else) know when the ravens play him, they are looking to kill him. he's smart. he doesnt want his career to end. nothing wrong with that i guess.

ben says he's gonna keep playing the way he plays and if his career ends early because of it then so be it.

one way is not more right than the other. different strokes for different folks. that is the reason why some prefer ben over brady and vice versa.

**** the ravens. the bengals suck.

stb_steeler
01-24-2012, 07:50 PM
3rd quarter Raven touchdown that got Baltimore back into the game?

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Or blatant personal foul five feet in front of an official?

I've been hearing a lot of Raven fans cry foul like they were screwed out of the AFC Championship. I've been hearing a lot of Patriot hating sports journalist cry on their behalf. I've been hearing a lot of NFL fans claiming the Patriots are lucky to have moved on.

I haven't heard anything about the FACT that the Ravens shouldn't even of been back in the game. You can't grab a defensive player by the face mask on the 8 yard line, hold him at arms length, and drag him into the end zone with you.

The TD that brought the Ravens back into the football game wasn't a touch down. They shouldn't even of been in a position to tie the football game.

This was a blatant face mask rape that started on the 8 yard line, continued all the way into the end zone, and got ignored somehow by the official standing 5 feet in front of them.

Ravens suck. You didn't deserve to win. Instead of crying about losing the game be happy the officials LET you even make it close with high way robbery.

Why dont you take it to Ravens Board, im sure they'd love to hear you cryin!

stb_steeler
01-24-2012, 07:52 PM
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There's NO WAY you guys can say this wasn't a blatant personal foul on the Ravens. He grabbed his face mask at around the EIGHT YARD LINE and dragged him into the end zone. That was a BS touchdown.

PHOTO SHOPPED:applaudit:

PATS16N0
01-24-2012, 07:57 PM
Ben's a tank. I've seen people try to sack him and bounce off and fall to the field.

My main criticism with Ben (aside from the usual) is that i've seen him a lot not let it all hang out there for the win. There has been more than one occasion where i've seen the Steelers down under the 2 minute mark and instead of go for it he throws a 5 yard pass to pad his stats rather than risk the interception to go for the win.

I don't have any ill feelings towards him, though. I hate Peyton Manning. Eli is a pain in the ass. Mr Discount Double Check has a smirk that goes up me sideways. Sanchez is a bum. Flacco sucks and looks like he should be in a Burt Reynolds movie from the 70's. Brees doesn't do anything for me...

Come to think of it Ben is probably my second favorite quarterback in the league.
That's..... weird to say.

PATS16N0
01-24-2012, 07:59 PM
Why dont you take it to Ravens Board, im sure they'd love to hear you cryin!

I tried. Their moderators won't let it through. They want their "we got screwed" narrative so they can cry on each other and act like victims.

tony hipchest
01-24-2012, 09:02 PM
My main criticism with Ben (aside from the usual) is that i've seen him a lot not let it all hang out there for the win. There has been more than one occasion where i've seen the Steelers down under the 2 minute mark and instead of go for it he throws a 5 yard pass to pad his stats rather than risk the interception to go for the win.



Come to think of it Ben is probably my second favorite quarterback in the league.
That's..... weird to say.

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Fire Arians
01-24-2012, 11:02 PM
that def looks like a 15 yard face mask. bullshit that they never call it on offensive players though. I see that happen a lot, where someone does a stiff arm but grabs the face mask, but never gets flagged for it. I'm sure in the interest of player safety, offensive players aren't allowed to grab the facemask either.

Patriotist
01-29-2012, 01:17 AM
Tony there is a problem with your assertion that the organization will not allow the Steelers to become the next "Yankees". Even as a Patriots fan I will admit there is bias towards us on winning alot of Super Bowls and becoming a dynasty. If the Patriots do win this SB, it would be interesting to see if they will do it again the next year because if they do then there might be more going on...

MACH1
01-29-2012, 02:38 AM
Tony there is a problem with your assertion that the organization will not allow the Steelers to become the next "Yankees". Even as a Patriots fan I will admit there is bias towards us on winning alot of Super Bowls and becoming a dynasty. If the Patriots do win this SB, it would be interesting to see if they will do it again the next year because if they do then there might be more going on...

You call it bias. I call it cheating.

BleedPurple
01-30-2012, 10:13 PM
I can't help but wonder if that's why Brady plays so poorly against the Ravens. At times Sunday night it didn't look like his performance had anything to do with the Ravens defensive schemes, like when he missed Gronk wide open for what might have been a touch down.

I honestly wonder if he's just always nervous the whole game by cheap Ravens players ending his career and so is extra careful about everything he does.

They're definitely the dirties and most despicable team we have to play. Not sure about the entire NFL because I only watch so many NFC games, but the Ravens are, without question, certifiably pieces of shit.

I don't like them at all and I don't hate them in a "they're a rival, it's fun to hate them" sort way. I hate them in a "you're the scum of the earth on and off the field" sort of way.

F them and F their fans.


Maybe they can all just wear flags from now on so none of those pansies you root for ever have to take a hit. Lol I would rather be a piece of shit with a set of balls and some sense o how football should be played than a gigantic ***** with a massive sense of entitlement and a qb that folds in a stiff breeze. 0Td 2intlol elite...

Fire Arians
01-30-2012, 10:20 PM
Tony there is a problem with your assertion that the organization will not allow the Steelers to become the next "Yankees". Even as a Patriots fan I will admit there is bias towards us on winning alot of Super Bowls and becoming a dynasty. If the Patriots do win this SB, it would be interesting to see if they will do it again the next year because if they do then there might be more going on...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/stormangel1/cheaters3.jpg

Ravnet
02-02-2012, 02:47 AM
I'm not sure of the exact procedures, but don't you have to twist the facemask for it to be a penalty?

I understand that this call still could have been made, but if the rule is that you must twist for a foul to be issued, then it is not nearly as blatant as you all are whining about, nor would it potentially be an infraction at all.

Bayz101
02-02-2012, 03:17 AM
I'm not sure of the exact procedures, but don't you have to twist the facemask for it to be a penalty?

I understand that this call still could have been made, but if the rule is that you must twist for a foul to be issued, then it is not nearly as blatant as you all are whining about, nor would it potentially be an infraction at all.

"no player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction."

He clearly "pulled" his facemask, therefore it was a penalty. No, you don't have to twist. Twisting, turning and pulling of the facemask all result in a fifteen yard penalty.

A "facemask" penalty is a judgment call that is not reviewable by replay.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 5 of the NFL Rule Book (page 81) states that "no player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction."

The Rule Book describes the penalty as follows:

"Penalty: For twisting, turning or pulling the mask: loss of 15 yards. A personal foul. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be of a flagrant nature."

Ravnet
02-02-2012, 01:17 PM
"no player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction."

He clearly "pulled" his facemask, therefore it was a penalty. No, you don't have to twist. Twisting, turning and pulling of the facemask all result in a fifteen yard penalty.

A "facemask" penalty is a judgment call that is not reviewable by replay.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 5 of the NFL Rule Book (page 81) states that "no player shall twist, turn, or pull the facemask of an opponent in any direction."

The Rule Book describes the penalty as follows:

"Penalty: For twisting, turning or pulling the mask: loss of 15 yards. A personal foul. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be of a flagrant nature."

Thanks for the clarification.

The only defense that I would have for Torrey is that, from still-pictures alone, you can't make the call that he definitively pulled on the facemask. Momentum led Moore into following Torrey into the endzone; from the pictures, we can't prove that Torrey brought Moore along for the ride.

Further, I think that all of this is null and void. My perspective is that, ultimately, calls end up balancing themselves out.

Sure, Torrey could have been called for a facemask on that play, but I can guarantee that there was an earlier hold call missed on the Patriots that gave them a first down, which led them to call a series of plays that scored the touchdown. If not for the first down, their playcalling would have been altered. Who knows, maybe the Ravens would have ended up picking off Brady for a touchdown because of a different playcall caused by a first down not being obtained.

Unless there is an egregious, concerted effort against the Seahawks, err any one team, then the officials' judgements end up evening out.