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Ricco Suavez
01-24-2012, 07:36 PM
With Arians canned and the promise of a new and improved offense, either run heavy or innovative passing or a mix. With the promise of a new coach and new look, maybe even a true fullback. Hopefully resigning key players such as Wallace, Crotchery, and goodbye to an old friend Hines. The offense has been the talk of this past two weeks, but I would like to steer the conversation to the Defense..

We have an old and slow defense. Wait, did not mean that entirely. Yes we are old in places and expect to lose some old faces from this squad. Snack, Hoke, Farrior, McFadden likely all gone. Kiesel, Clark, Foote, Harrison, even Troy on the wrong side of 30. players like Woodley and Timmons who sometimes can disappear during a game.

Ziggy has come along as has Worilds to an extent, Heyward show promise. The young guys in the secondary have not impressed me but could be serviceable. I have contended on this and other boards that I am really more worried about next years version of defense than I am the offense. I mean did anyone other than me come away impressed with the 49ers, Giants, Ravens, and even the Patriots front pressure on the QB. BTW I ranked them in order of how I was impressed.

And furthermore does anyone believe our O-Line was as good as any of those mentioned. Just think what Ben would of faced from any of those guys. Your thoughts on next years Defense.

Danny136200
01-24-2012, 07:43 PM
With Arians canned and the promise of a new and improved offense, either run heavy or innovative passing or a mix. With the promise of a new coach and new look, maybe even a true fullback. Hopefully resigning key players such as Wallace, Crotchery, and goodbye to an old friend Hines. The offense has been the talk of this past two weeks, but I would like to steer the conversation to the Defense..

We have an old and slow defense. Wait, did not mean that entirely. Yes we are old in places and expect to lose some old faces from this squad. Snack, Hoke, Farrior, McFadden likely all gone. Kiesel, Clark, Foote, Harrison, even Troy on the wrong side of 30. players like Woodley and Timmons who sometimes can disappear during a game.

Ziggy has come along as has Worilds to an extent, Heyward show promise. The young guys in the secondary have not impressed me but could be serviceable. I have contended on this and other boards that I am really more worried about next years version of defense than I am the offense. I mean did anyone other than me come away impressed with the 49ers, Giants, Ravens, and even the Patriots front pressure on the QB. BTW I ranked them in order of how I was impressed.

And furthermore does anyone believe our O-Line was as good as any of those mentioned. Just think what Ben would of faced from any of those guys. Your thoughts on next years Defense.
The Steelers secondary was steller last year, the pass rushing on the other hand was hurst wiht injuries, and old age on the line. I do think that the steelers need to focus some on the defensive line, esecially someone to replace Hampton, who might be on the way out.

steeltheone
01-24-2012, 08:02 PM
We have not gotten steady inside pass rush for a long time. We need to get Heyward on the field next year. I think he will turn into a force!

zcoop
01-24-2012, 08:06 PM
The Steelers secondary was steller last year, the pass rushing on the other hand was hurst wiht injuries, and old age on the line. I do think that the steelers need to focus some on the defensive line, esecially someone to replace Hampton, who might be on the way out.

I also think that we should shore up the D Front. The D Backfield suffers when the line gets no pressure on the QB. Our D backs had to compensate for the weaknesses of the D Line. We should be alright with some mending and reinforcement.

tony hipchest
01-24-2012, 08:22 PM
i dont believe in the "wrong side of 30" myth.

some people want players replaced just because they are 30 no matter how productive they are.

our secondary will be better and deeper with age and our olb's will be back healthy and at full force. youth infusion along the line.

im not gonna sit here and rip every single member of the best defense in the league.

Atlanta Dan
01-24-2012, 08:28 PM
im not gonna sit here and rip every single member of the best defense in the league.

Don't worry - there are other posters to carry the load for that:chuckle:

tony hipchest
01-24-2012, 08:33 PM
how long before Fire Lebeau joins?

Curtain_of_Steel
01-24-2012, 08:39 PM
lol, Rip Dick? I dont see that happening. But Dick better stiffen up that D on the pass rush next year, they were a little flaccid. lol

If Arians could be let go due to not meeting the Rooneys Status Quo on offense, Dick could leave prematurely as well.

Fire Arians
01-24-2012, 08:52 PM
lol, Rip Dick? I dont see that happening. But Dick better stiffen up that D on the pass rush next year, they were a little flaccid. lol

i know what you mean, but still :rofl:

FrancoLambert
01-24-2012, 08:55 PM
With Arians canned and the promise of a new and improved offense, either run heavy or innovative passing or a mix. With the promise of a new coach and new look, maybe even a true fullback. Hopefully resigning key players such as Wallace, Crotchery, and goodbye to an old friend Hines. The offense has been the talk of this past two weeks, but I would like to steer the conversation to the Defense..

We have an old and slow defense. Wait, did not mean that entirely. Yes we are old in places and expect to lose some old faces from this squad. Snack, Hoke, Farrior, McFadden likely all gone. Kiesel, Clark, Foote, Harrison, even Troy on the wrong side of 30. players like Woodley and Timmons who sometimes can disappear during a game.

Ziggy has come along as has Worilds to an extent, Heyward show promise. The young guys in the secondary have not impressed me but could be serviceable. I have contended on this and other boards that I am really more worried about next years version of defense than I am the offense. I mean did anyone other than me come away impressed with the 49ers, Giants, Ravens, and even the Patriots front pressure on the QB. BTW I ranked them in order of how I was impressed.

And furthermore does anyone believe our O-Line was as good as any of those mentioned. Just think what Ben would of faced from any of those guys. Your thoughts on next years Defense.

Inside linebacker = 1st need
D-Line = 2nd need
But both are behind our first overall need = O-line

I was thinking the same thing, there was no way our O-line would have held their own against ANY of those pass rushing fronts (maybe the Pats? maybe?).

OX1947
01-24-2012, 09:59 PM
Steelers D-Line is the one area I am not concerned with. You have 2 young studs and another guy who had a career year. Get some depth in FA and in the draft and they will be fine. The secondary has some young pups who will be better next year, which is good. Woodley and Harrison are good and Worilds should be better next year as well. Steelers need a run stuffer in the middle. I think if Dont'a Hightower out of Alabama is there at 24, they take him and sure up the middle with Levon Kirkland II.

It would be nice if the Steelers could go after a Carl Nicks in free agency, but with them being over the cap so much, even if they went that route this year, it would be impossible so lets home a good one comes in in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.

I am not too worried with the Steelers draft wise, they always get at least two studs out of the 7 rounds, each year.

My only hope next year is that who ever comes in as the offensive coordinator, they devise a system that can protect Big Ben. They need a OC who can figure that out somehow without killing Big Ben's effectiveness.

The other thing, hopefully they do not get injured at every major position and Pouncey can have a full year. Not having Pouncey in the last two playoff games cost us a lot. And for god sakes, get David Johnson out of here. His shitiness cost us so much in the Super Bowl and he is dropping machine even at his natural position.

My hope is that Mendenhall can recover quick. Welker recovered blowing out his knee in the second to last game of the regular season a few years back pretty well and shows no signs of it. A healthy Mendy and Redman would be nice to have with some dedication in the run game. PLEASE, give Redman the ball in the RED ZONE!!! And hopefully the new OC actually uses Mendy as a receiver once in a while or check down guy, for the love of god. No one is more effective then Mendy in the open field, yet that idiot Arians never set things like that up for him.

1998 Denver Broncos offense. Steelers need to go back to that season and see that offense operate. You had John Elway who could barely make it throughout the year, had Bubby Brister fill in for a few games. They protected him with a great running game and solid defense and he was pretty good. John got rid of the ball quick and with the running game being effective, play action left a heck of a lot of receivers wide open. Elway took the least amount of sacks that year in his career with 18.

In conclusion, Big Ben is just as important to this as the new OC. Ben needs to start getting to the point in his brain that he can not continue to play rugby out there. Steve McNair did it for 10 years and hit the wall extremely quick. It would be nice to have another 5 years of prime ball with Ben, but if he continues to let himself take 45 sacks a season, I just do not see him lasting more then two more seasons.

PhantomJB93
01-25-2012, 01:34 AM
The entire Steelers D will be fine at every position next year with the exception of ILB and NT. One of those, if not both, is sure to be addressed in the first two rounds of the draft, depending on whether or not we take a guard first. In a worst case scenario, if we have nobody at NT, Hood and Mclendon could platoon the position (assuming neither is dominant enough to take over completely) with Heyward rotating in and out at DE. Outside of that, and Farrior's ILB slot (which I'm not too worried about), no other component of the defense is going to suffer a serious regression or need to be drastically improved.

Harrison, Timmons, Woodley, Keisel, Hood, Polamalu, Clark, Gay, and Ike are all fine right now, and will be for at least the next two years before any of them REALLY start to show any age. The "30" thing really only applies to running backs who are absolutely pounded every play, for pretty much every other position it's more like 35. Not to mention Worilds, Allen, Brown, Heyward all look like they could make major contributions if anybody at their positions actually did start to severely under-perform.

The reason we had trouble getting pressure was because both of our pass rushers were hurt all year. Even when they were playing they weren't 100%.

LayingTheWoodley56
01-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Inside linebacker = 1st need
D-Line = 2nd need
But both are behind our first overall need = O-line

I was thinking the same thing, there was no way our O-line would have held their own against ANY of those pass rushing fronts (maybe the Pats? maybe?).

We're not as spare along the O-line as people are making us out to be. Pouncey is clearly entrenched as a starter for the long haul, and Gilbert showed these year that he has the makings of an effective right tackle. Starks will be okay, I think, for at least one more year at LT, or Colon if he can stay healthy. The real problems are at the guard positions, which I do agree we need to draft one in the 1st or 2nd round.

At least two-fifths of our line looks like they are here to stay. We can get away with Starks or Colon at LT for another year or two, if they see fit to bring him back. Foster and Legursky (Kemo appears to be gone by consensus) are both undrafted FAs who have played beyond expectations just by starting. I don't think either of them is an awful player, but I do agree that we need to draft a stud to plug into one of those guard positions.

Past that, we clearly need a middle linebacker to replace Farrior, eventually if not this year, unless the organization has high hopes for Slyvester or Chris Carter. I haven't seen enough of either of them to pass my own judgement. Other need is in the middle of the D-Line with Casey departing, unless we move Zig inside to make a space for Heyward at end.