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BKAnthem
01-25-2012, 01:00 PM
If the Rooneys want to Run the Ball more effectively, Colbert needs to do a better Job evaluating O-Line Talent...Pouncey was a No -Brainer...But Gilbert was in the Dog House a couple of times this past season and the rest of this line is :banging:

Fire Arians
01-25-2012, 01:04 PM
If the Rooneys want to Run the Ball more effectively, Colbert needs to do a better Job evaluating O-Line Talent...Pouncey was a No -Brainer...But Gilbert was in the Dog House a couple of times this past season and the rest of this line is :banging:

to be fair i don't know a single rookie tackle that didn't struggle in his first year. he had some positives, he did well against mathis in the indy game, dude's got potential. with a full training camp and a year of actual NFL experience under his belt i think he will be much improved in his 2nd year.

with that said, i hope we pick a guard in rd. 1-3, we need an upgrade there.

Steelerfreak58
01-25-2012, 01:08 PM
I think Gilbert did great for a Rookie that was not expected to start but had to because of Colon's injury. Kid stepped up and made very few mistakes all year and is only going to get better.

O-Line has been an issue but I think its a matter of identity we used to be a run first offense and pass complimented the run that kind of changed with BA and I think the FO didn't appreciate it and BA did not thing to remedy the situation.

BA did little to even help get the ball out of Bens hands quickly when he knew our O-line was riddled with injuries and couldn't give Ben the time to develop long bombs. BA acted like it wasn't an issue. He ignored the realities of the situation the season unveiled.

ItalianSteelersFan178443
01-25-2012, 01:36 PM
Gilbert was our most consistent OL this season, Pouncey had an injury riddled season and allowed many blitzes up the middle. Gilbert stepped in after Colon got hurt and got better with every game. He will be a stud in a couple of years. But I am not a fan of Kevin Colbert, I hate to say this, but Steve Bisciotti and Ozzie Newsome know how to draft. Colbert's strategy of taking BPA is good, but it looks like it is finally catching up to us in a bad way. He never drafts OL after the 2nd round and if he does we cut them (Urbik, K. WIlliams) and he hasn't attacked a great secondary player since Troy. He either needs to go or change his draft strategy completely

Fire Arians
01-25-2012, 01:45 PM
Gilbert was our most consistent OL this season, Pouncey had an injury riddled season and allowed many blitzes up the middle. Gilbert stepped in after Colon got hurt and got better with every game. He will be a stud in a couple of years. But I am not a fan of Kevin Colbert, I hate to say this, but Steve Bisciotti and Ozzie Newsome know how to draft. Colbert's strategy of taking BPA is good, but it looks like it is finally catching up to us in a bad way. He never drafts OL after the 2nd round and if he does we cut them (Urbik, K. WIlliams) and he hasn't attacked a great secondary player since Troy. He either needs to go or change his draft strategy completely

I think colbert has been doing a great job. the problem is really we're such a consistently good team, that all the o-line prospects that are worth picking in round 1 are already gone by the time it's our turn. Pouncey was able to be grabbed because we were low enough on the draft to snag him. Believe me, if we had picks in the top 10, the o-line would have been addressed. however, i'm thankful we never suck that bad.

i just wish we'd deal with the raiders like other teams do. would be awesome to get multiple round 1 draft picks for basically nothing lol

the urbik situation was more a failure on our coaching staff to get him ready. the fact he's starting with the bills tells me that talent wasn't an issue, our coaches failed to groom him into NFL material while he was here.

Danny136200
01-25-2012, 01:53 PM
I think colbert has been doing a great job. the problem is really we're such a consistently good team, that all the o-line prospects that are worth picking in round 1 are already gone by the time it's our turn. Pouncey was able to be grabbed because we were low enough on the draft to snag him. Believe me, if we had picks in the top 10, the o-line would have been addressed. however, i'm thankful we never suck that bad.

i just wish we'd deal with the raiders like other teams do. would be awesome to get multiple round 1 draft picks for basically nothing lol

the urbik situation was more a failure on our coaching staff to get him ready. the fact he's starting with the bills tells me that talent wasn't an issue, our coaches failed to groom him into NFL material while he was here.

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former RB
01-25-2012, 06:41 PM
If the Rooneys want to Run the Ball more effectively, Colbert needs to do a better Job evaluating O-Line Talent...Pouncey was a No -Brainer...But Gilbert was in the Dog House a couple of times this past season and the rest of this line is :banging:

Pouncey is over rated a player as i have ever seen. I don't know how to evaluate a center, but by any measure, pouncey seems to be lacking. I watched him often. He gets trucked often. His run blocking leaves much to be desired. His shotgun snaps are average.
You can't judge O-line pass protection. Guys like manning, brees and brady drop back and throw on rhythm. Their line and OC looks smart because of it. The O line run blocking suffered because Mendy liked to tip toe between the tackles. The hole only opens for a split second because if you aren't strong enough to drive block, you have to get shoulder leverage for a second and turn the D lineman line a door.

Ben made the line look bad because they can't hold their blocks for 5 seconds consistently. Ben made recievers look bad because thwey ran their routes out, and he still had the ball.
Ben needs to practice looking off a DB and throwing on rhythm. Coaching can only work if the QB puts it into practice.

3rdandlong
01-25-2012, 06:43 PM
What do you want him to draft pro bowlers in every round? Colbert is the best GM in the NFL, or one of them. He can't draft stellar players at every position. You're going to have weaknesses somewhere, usually. He knows what he's doing. You need not worry.

FrancoLambert
01-25-2012, 06:47 PM
Gilbert was our most consistent OL this season, Pouncey had an injury riddled season and allowed many blitzes up the middle. Gilbert stepped in after Colon got hurt and got better with every game. He will be a stud in a couple of years. But I am not a fan of Kevin Colbert, I hate to say this, but Steve Bisciotti and Ozzie Newsome know how to draft. Colbert's strategy of taking BPA is good, but it looks like it is finally catching up to us in a bad way. He never drafts OL after the 2nd round and if he does we cut them (Urbik, K. WIlliams) and he hasn't attacked a great secondary player since Troy. He either needs to go or change his draft strategy completely

Yes, maybe Gilbert was the most consistent in achieving mediocrity. He may be a stud in a couple of years, but only time and his performance will tell.

As for Pouncey, without going through the tapes, I'll bet he consistently graded out higher than any of our O-linemen.

TRH
01-25-2012, 06:51 PM
I'd have to agree somewhat with some Pouncey comments. While good (when he's healthy), all-pro? I have NOT seen that, i'm sorry....i think that came from all the media attention he got last year from being a 1st year starter at center for the Steelers franchise.
He gets mowed down quite often and jeezus, the guy's made of freakin' glass (is this going to be Sepulveda all over again?). Missed the biggest game of last year and the biggest of this year and there's nothing to prove at this point that he's going to have an injury free ride from here on out.

As for Colbert, let him continue what he's doing. He has a hell of a successful track record.

austinfrench76
01-25-2012, 07:00 PM
Pouncey is not over rated! You can make the pro bowl accidentally but you aren't named an All Pro accidentally or becasue you're over rated. I agree that he did not have as good a 2nd season as his phenom rookie year but to say he is over rated is not smart.

And Gilbert is a LT that was playing RT alot of the year. He never got settled. If we get him settled at LT, slide Colon to RG and drafta RT with our 1st pick, we should be good. Legs looked serviceable at LG. We could go LG in the draft too and be set in in 2 years.

tony hipchest
01-25-2012, 07:21 PM
i dont believe in the "holes only open for a split second theory".

i see other o-lines open holes that a mack truck can drive through.

i also see alot of teams with crative running plays and blocking schemes. sometimes you will see an entire line in motion (new orleans)..

we run that basig straight ahead antiquated bullshit. our only bread and butter play is power g, and that has been lacking ever since faneca left.

we should not be missing on so many draft picks who end up getting cut. (hills and urbick come to mind).

im disappointed that some of the young players grimm left behind never panned out. chucky okolbi comes to mind.

zeirlein was a disaster. kugler has proven to be able to turn chicken shit into chicken salad, but what we really need is somebody who can turn chicken salad into stud maulers.

i think alot of our woes have to to with coaching and a lame, pedestrian, outdated scheme that has been in place since the mid 90's. :yawn:

steeltheone
01-25-2012, 07:48 PM
I agree on the Pouncey comment too. I think he is good and will continue to get better, but at this point, i dont he deserves the accolades he has gotten.

Sharkissle29
01-25-2012, 09:16 PM
Pouncey is over rated a player as i have ever seen. I don't know how to evaluate a center, but by any measure, pouncey seems to be lacking. I watched him often. He gets trucked often. His run blocking leaves much to be desired. His shotgun snaps are average.
You can't judge O-line pass protection. Guys like manning, brees and brady drop back and throw on rhythm. Their line and OC looks smart because of it. The O line run blocking suffered because Mendy liked to tip toe between the tackles. The hole only opens for a split second because if you aren't strong enough to drive block, you have to get shoulder leverage for a second and turn the D lineman line a door.

Ben made the line look bad because they can't hold their blocks for 5 seconds consistently. Ben made recievers look bad because thwey ran their routes out, and he still had the ball.
Ben needs to practice looking off a DB and throwing on rhythm. Coaching can only work if the QB puts it into practice.

And that is where i stopped reading...

PhantomJB93
01-25-2012, 09:24 PM
Colbert is one of the best GMs in football, no "word" needs to be had. I don't get how anyone can complain about Gilbert, he was a late-second round rookie who came in and did a tremendous job, considering the circumstances, at RT. It's not that he's "bad" at judging OL talent, he just hasn't spent many early picks on the position. The ones he has have been home runs.

6RingsAndCounting
01-25-2012, 09:50 PM
Colbert is a damn good GM. As someone earlier said, when you are consistently this good, you're forced to take the best player available, and that player is rarely a linemen.

jiminpa
01-25-2012, 11:42 PM
How many teams since the salary cap are expected to make the playoffs every year? I'll give you a hint--the other one does it by cheating. Most teams sell out five seasons for two seasons of SB contention, or some just suck every year.

ricardisimo
01-26-2012, 12:02 AM
Colbert is one of the best GMs in football, no "word" needs to be had. I don't get how anyone can complain about Gilbert, he was a late-second round rookie who came in and did a tremendous job, considering the circumstances, at RT. It's not that he's "bad" at judging OL talent, he just hasn't spent many early picks on the position. The ones he has have been home runs.
Exactly. In the first two rounds he has drafted Marvell Smith, Kendall Simmons, Gilbert and Pouncey. Knocked all three out of the park (Simmons had unfortunate injury issues after a few years, but great otherwise.) In later rounds he stole Starks, Colon, Essex and Kemoeatu, who wasn't always as bad as he is now... he was quite good, actually.

Urbik, it turns out, was another good pick on whom the team gave up so that they could hold onto the mighty Dorian Brooks. :banging: As for his other misses, what does it matter if Shipley didn't work out? He was, what, a seventh rounder? Cam Stephenson was a 5th rounder. These things don't always work out.

jiminpa
01-26-2012, 12:12 AM
Exactly. In the first two rounds he has drafted Marvell Smith, Kendall Simmons, Gilbert and Pouncey. Knocked all three out of the park (Simmons had unfortunate injury issues after a few years, but great otherwise.) In later rounds he stole Starks, Colon, Essex and Kemoeatu, who wasn't always as bad as he is now... he was quite good, actually.

Urbik, it turns out, was another good pick on whom the team gave up so that they could hold onto the mighty Dorian Brooks. :banging: As for his other misses, what does it matter if Shipley didn't work out? He was, what, a seventh rounder? Cam Stephenson was a 5th rounder. These things don't always work out.I want to add to the Kendall Simmons injury part, since it's not that he was fragile. He had type 1 diabetes, which is completely hereditary and often quite recessive, so that you may not even know that it is in your gene pool. He was spectacular right up until the onset of his diabetes, which, unfortunately, was just before his second season in the NFL.

LVSteelersfan
01-28-2012, 01:29 PM
Pouncey keeps getting rolled up on by the other sucky linemen around him. If they were better, Pouncey wouldn't be getting hurt so much. They can't block so they get knocked backwards into him.

Kingmagyar
01-28-2012, 05:33 PM
If Mendenhall leaves after next season, that 2008 draft isn't looking so hot.

1 Mendenhall
2 Limas Sweed
3 Bruce Davis
4 Tony Hills
5 Dennis Dixon