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harts
01-29-2012, 09:56 AM
Getting sick of Rooney commenting publicly about Ben, the offense etc.
So what if he is the owner.
He is turning into a mini Jerry Jones and what have the Cowboys won since he got rid of Jimmy Johnson.

If the players feel they have to answer to the owner and not the coach then it undermines the power of the Head Coach --> i.e Dallas for the last 15 years - (except for Parcells who wouldnt put up with that nonsense)

Owners Own
Coaches Coach
Players Play

When that happens - Super Bowls are won
We need the elder Rooney back here to right the ship
The current Captain is not ready and is starting to run the Steelers aground

StainlessStill
01-29-2012, 10:06 AM
Getting sick of Rooney commenting publicly about Ben, the offense etc.
So what if he is the owner.
He is turning into a mini Jerry Jones and what have the Cowboys won since he got rid of Jimmy Johnson.

If the players feel they have to answer to the owner and not the coach then it undermines the power of the Head Coach --> i.e Dallas for the last 15 years - (except for Parcells who wouldnt put up with that nonsense)

Owners Own
Coaches Coach
Players Play

When that happens - Super Bowls are won
We need the elder Rooney back here to right the ship
The current Captain is not ready and is starting to run the Steelers aground

You people look at the big obstacle way too much and ride the media's coattails. Rooney made a few comments that we were ALL thinking. He's come out before and said a couple things regarding the direction he'd like to see us take. Nothing new here. I think it's okay to make a change and the owner of the football team make a suggestion. He even referenced everything is up to his head coach. Rooney is RARELY in the spotlight. He says ONE simple thing and he's now Jerry Jones?

Give me a f#$%$% break Steelers fans. I take it as a breath of fresh air that the lines of communication is open for our franchise QB to go talk to our owner about things. We're fine.

6RingsAndCounting
01-29-2012, 10:12 AM
Comparing Rooney to Jerry Jones is ridiculous.

harts
01-29-2012, 10:17 AM
You people look at the big obstacle way too much and ride the media's coattails. Rooney made a few comments that we were ALL thinking. He's come out before and said a couple things regarding the direction he'd like to see us take. Nothing new here. I think it's okay to make a change and the owner of the football team make a suggestion. He even referenced everything is up to his head coach. Rooney is RARELY in the spotlight. He says ONE simple thing and he's now Jerry Jones?

Give me a f#$%$% break Steelers fans. I take it as a breath of fresh air that the lines of communication is open for our franchise QB to go talk to our owner about things. We're fine.

but why in public?
Why does the owner need to tell the public what he thinks?

When a owner does that he is a attention hog.
He wants to be the center of attention
Thats Jerry Jones' problem
They want to win but they want it to be about them

Football doesnt work that way
Too many moving pieces and being a ME persondoes not work
Only when you have a WE mentality does that work

Everyone gets on T.O, OchoCinco, and players like that but Rooney is essentially doing the same thing

Bringing unnecessary attention and DRAMA to the Steelers.

We dont need that

The owner needs to shut his pie hole, sign the checks, and handle things in house and not in the media

StainlessStill
01-29-2012, 10:27 AM
but why in public?
Why does the owner need to tell the public what he thinks?

When a owner does that he is a attention hog.
He wants to be the center of attention
Thats Jerry Jones' problem
They want to win but they want it to be about them

Football doesnt work that way
Too many moving pieces and being a ME persondoes not work
Only when you have a WE mentality does that work

Everyone gets on T.O, OchoCinco, and players like that but Rooney is essentially doing the same thing

Bringing unnecessary attention and DRAMA to the Steelers.

We dont need that

The owner needs to shut his pie hole, sign the checks, and handle things in house and not in the media

Stop reading too much into it. Trust me, there are huge amounts of "attention" within' the media and in the spotlight that the Rooney's could be in other than a FEW comments here or there about their football team. There was no up-roar when he said we needed to run the ball more and to my understanding, this is the biggest shakeup since the Tomlin era cira 2007! You're GOING to hear from your owner, PERIOD. I'm glad he did because quite frankly, he has every right to open his pie-hole about the situation at hand. As you said, he writes the checks and in house requirements that is needed to run this football team. He has a right to voice a concern and the actions we are going to move forward with.

No matter how you spin it, this is NOWHERE NEAR a story that you or the media is making it out to be. Jerry Jones. What a laugh!

55BaileyFan
01-29-2012, 10:32 AM
but why in public?
Why does the owner need to tell the public what he thinks?

When a owner does that he is a attention hog.
He wants to be the center of attention
Thats Jerry Jones' problem
They want to win but they want it to be about them

Football doesnt work that way
Too many moving pieces and being a ME persondoes not work
Only when you have a WE mentality does that work

Everyone gets on T.O, OchoCinco, and players like that but Rooney is essentially doing the same thing

Bringing unnecessary attention and DRAMA to the Steelers.

We dont need that

The owner needs to shut his pie hole, sign the checks, and handle things in house and not in the media

Football doesn't work that way? Are you kidding me?

Do you know anything about the Steelers before this "modern day"? You have to be young because the Rooneys have done this since the 1930's. Art Rooney was famous for telling coaches what he did and did not want to see. There are tons of stories from players about Rooney wanted this and this...hell, Bleier had a roster spot after his wound in Vietnam because Rooney said so.

This is his team and he and the fans in the Burgh have a certain way things are done. If you don't do it his way then you are going to walk.

Beside, how the hell does Ben have the right to say anything? If anyone shouldn't talk it should be him. In the 75+ years before his multiple rape/sexual assault accusations the Steelers were not in the news for being a team of bad people.

His past discretion earn him nothing until Mr. Rooney says he has earned them back.

harts
01-29-2012, 10:41 AM
Stop reading too much into it. Trust me, there are huge amounts of "attention" within' the media and in the spotlight that the Rooney's could be in other than a FEW comments here or there about their football team. There was no up-roar when he said we needed to run the ball more and to my understanding, this is the biggest shakeup since the Tomlin era cira 2007! You're GOING to hear from your owner, PERIOD. I'm glad he did because quite frankly, he has every right to open his pie-hole about the situation at hand. As you said, he writes the checks and in house requirements that is needed to run this football team. He has a right to voice a concern and the actions we are going to move forward with.

No matter how you spin it, this is NOWHERE NEAR a story that you or the media is making it out to be. Jerry Jones. What a laugh!

Been following the steelers since I became a fan at 6 years old in 1979
Never had I heard any of the Rooneys talk about the team like this guy has "lately"

I realize today is different in terms of media access and that does have an effect.

But he needs to realize what he says affects people.

Why did he need to say that about Ben PUBLICLY?
it makes no sense to do that except for his personal ego B.S

He could easily pull Ben aside and handle that.
Just because you can doesnt mean you should

Yes he owns the team he can do what he wants - He could have us losing every year and run the team solely to make a profit
Yeah it's his choice
SO WHAT!

Is he on Jerry Jones' level - absolutely not -- well not yet
But once upon a time Jerry Jones had a coach named Jimmy Johnson who won 3 super bowls for him
Jerry slowly started to speak more and eventually ran his coach right out of town

Rooney (The 59 year old version) is beginning to show those same qualities.

I am Just projecting where this is gonna go

Rooney is clearly escalating in the amount of his public comments about the team
THeir is a result for that 

And that result is not good

StainlessStill
01-29-2012, 11:09 AM
I am Just projecting where this is gonna go

It's not going to go anywhere. Once there's a big shake up within an organization, it's the media's job to get the story out there. All Art did was make a statement regarding his football team moving forward. This will NOT be an issue once we fill in the gaps with our new OC and once the draft starts in April. Total non-issue.

Ricco Suavez
01-29-2012, 11:32 AM
[QUOTE=55BaileyFan;991758]Football doesn't work that way? Are you kidding me?



Beside, how the hell does Ben have the right to say anything? If anyone shouldn't talk it should be him. In the 75+ years before his multiple rape/sexual assault accusations the Steelers were not in the news for being a team of bad people.



You are joking, right? We have had this discussion on this board before. While I love the Steelers we are far from Angels when it comes to trouble. We have had players actually charged with wrong doing not just accusations from possible goldiggers. Check out some Steeler History if you don't believe me.

Ricco Suavez
01-29-2012, 11:37 AM
Rooney pays the bills, he can say what he wants. But what he says will have ramifications much like any thing Ben or another star player says. Rooney did not like the way Arians was going with the offense, his right. Rooney got rid of Arians, his right. But what he maybe should of done is talked to Tomlin first and made his thoughts know and in no uncertain terms. Then Tomlin would not have been in the news looking lost, this would not have been sprung on their QB. Listen the media is blowing this up all they can, and the sooner Ben and Rooney meet the quicker this can be put to rest. I for one did not know that Arians was as well liked by the local media.

LVSteelersfan
01-29-2012, 12:07 PM
Rooney can say whatever he wants about a team he owns. This is like saying the owner of any business can't say anything to his workers if he doesn't like how things are going. You don't like how certain things are happening in a division in your company, you make the ax fall and that person is gone. Just because the media blows things way out of proportion like never before does not mean the Rooneys have never had any input into what goes on with their team. Maybe he should have talked to Tomlin back channel and had him do the firing but he has a right to do it any way he sees fit.

tanda10506
01-29-2012, 12:36 PM
Im glad he said something, we were ALL thinking it but I was beginning to wonder if nobody that is a part of that team was seeing it. The offense was horrible with tons of talent for years, yet it seemed like everybody on the team thought it was fine. Rooney showed that there is still common sense in this teams management, at least at the highest level. Not like he comments often.

55BaileyFan
01-29-2012, 01:42 PM
Im glad he said something, we were ALL thinking it but I was beginning to wonder if nobody that is a part of that team was seeing it. The offense was horrible with tons of talent for years, yet it seemed like everybody on the team thought it was fine. Rooney showed that there is still common sense in this teams management, at least at the highest level. Not like he comments often.

My thoughts exactly.

harts
01-29-2012, 02:23 PM
too many homers here
Rooney is making Tomlin look inept to a degree.

jiminpa
01-29-2012, 08:32 PM
too many homers here
Rooney is making Tomlin look inept to a degree.
If Rooney is doing anything that makes Tomlin look inept, it's just shining a light. If ineptitude is appearing, that's what's already there.

harrison'samonster
01-29-2012, 09:04 PM
how can Tomlin be inept to a degree? He's either capable of being head coach or not, I don't think there are degrees in between. And I'd have to say in my opinion Tomlin is capable of coaching this team.

Rooney has shown that he can bring Championships to Pittsburgh and that he knows how to be a good owner.

harts
01-29-2012, 09:22 PM
how can Tomlin be inept to a degree? He's either capable of being head coach or not, I don't think there are degrees in between. And I'd have to say in my opinion Tomlin is capable of coaching this team.

Rooney has shown that he can bring Championships to Pittsburgh and that he knows how to be a good owner.

THE Elder rooneys have shown it
New Jack Rooney Owner (59 Year old version has not)
You get one bad apple Rooney and they can ruin it

We MAY have that rotten apple with this current Rooney

We need Elder Rooney to drop the Ambassador role and come back and handle Steeler business

I just dont see any positives in him commenting and Ben having to answer questions that force him to make statements saying he is going to talk to the owner.

When Ben responded to that question that's when I realized Rooney needs to shut his pie hole. Those types of comments need to stay out of the media.
A savvy unselfish owner would have known that

That is a classic in house conversation we should only hear about 10 years after Ben retires

Rick5895
01-30-2012, 05:10 AM
too many homers here
Rooney is making Tomlin look inept to a degree.

I am certain Tomlin and Rooney spoke , and Rooney gave consideration to what Tomlin had to say. Rooney did nothing wrong, in this day of mega media a player or owner can't sneeze without the media reporting on it.
Just like the media some of the fans are bowing this all out of proportion. If I read anything into this it's that Tomlin may just be on the hot seat as well. The fact that Tomlin didn't appear to keep control of Arians and the Offense forced Rooney to act. And if Ben was doing his own thing and not following the plan, I am sure that will be addressed with a new OC.
Of course this is all speculation on my part, as it is with most posters on here.

And here we go again with the "homer" label. What the hell is that anyway, Steeler fans not wanting to bash the ownership or any one else in the organization on a particular topic, support the team and we get called "Homer" as if its a negative thing. What a bunch of bullshit.

Damn right I am a "homer" I am passionate about the Steelers and support them no matter what and quite frankly support whatever decision they may make. I may not always agree but in the end they do what they think is best.
The Steeler way has worked out pretty well over the years and thats good enough for me!!

Kingmagyar
01-30-2012, 07:26 AM
I'm glad Art Rooney II speaks out to the media and fans. He keeps us in the loop. I think he respects the fans a lot more then people perceive. And the owners are the ones who spent a billion dollars to own a franchise they have every right to meddle. Rooney probably sits there every game like the fans and wonders why his offense has over 300 yards but the score is like 10-7?

Atlanta Dan
01-30-2012, 12:23 PM
Based on his comments in his online chat today Bob Smizik apparently believes the relationship between Tomlin and Rooney has hit a rough patch

In retrospect, the decision by Rooney was surprising, the breach of Steelers protocol was shocking. The Steelers usually have their ducks in a row. On this matter they did not. Unbelievable poor communications between Rooney and Tomlin. So poor, in fact, I wonder if there's not something deliberate about the way it was handled. ...

Is Art mildly upset with the head coach over something?
Bob Smizik: You would think there is something wrong in the relationship between the two men. Rooney certainly hung Tomlin out to dry with the way he handed the Arians firing.


http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/chats/bob-smizik-chat

tony hipchest
01-30-2012, 06:24 PM
interesting. if anything, i bet art II is still a little miffed tomlin suckled on arians teat 2 seasons too long.

Ricco Suavez
01-30-2012, 06:27 PM
Based on his comments in his online chat today Bob Smizik apparently believes the relationship between Tomlin and Rooney has hit a rough patch

In retrospect, the decision by Rooney was surprising, the breach of Steelers protocol was shocking. The Steelers usually have their ducks in a row. On this matter they did not. Unbelievable poor communications between Rooney and Tomlin. So poor, in fact, I wonder if there's not something deliberate about the way it was handled. ...

Is Art mildly upset with the head coach over something?
Bob Smizik: You would think there is something wrong in the relationship between the two men. Rooney certainly hung Tomlin out to dry with the way he handed the Arians firing.


http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/chats/bob-smizik-chat

This is how I viewed the whole deal.No problem with the Boss doing what he felt he had to do, its just after Tomlin said All Coaches were coming back he stepped in . Either Tomlin overstepped his authority or Rooney led him to believe it was his call. Once again either way not enough communication between the two.

Steel Peon
01-30-2012, 10:33 PM
The current Captain is not ready and is starting to run the Steelers aground
I'm afraid you're going to be in the minority on this one, seeing as a wide majority of fans didn't mind seeing him go. Certain things about someone stick in your memory, and Arians had the unfortunate knack of calling some really holy abortions of a play on numerous occasions. Once mistakes of that magnitude become fused into your brain you really can't wait for a replacement.

I mean come on, it's not like he fired Jamie Harrison or anything.........it was just Bruce Arians.

steelfury02
01-31-2012, 09:36 AM
wouldn't be the first time an owner and a head coach weren't getting along, won't be the last

Throw in one drama-inducing, inept OC in Arians and Tomlin's father dying and its just not a good time right now

Cowher was supposedly run right out of Pittsburgh on multiple occasions - 1 issue was personal, 1 was Kordell Stewart, and the other was about not securing the big game Ws time after time after time

VA_steeelrs
01-31-2012, 11:47 AM
Rooney simply said what most of our fans wanted to say. Hop many of us are frustrated during the season. We watched Ben holding balls a little too long and taking unnecessary sacks, saw those unreasonable long passes, and of course the stats that Ben is consistently among the most sacked QBs. Rooney made a suggestion at the end of 2009 season that he would prefer more running, but that has not happened this season.
The play callings were mostly dictated by Ben and Arains, Tomlin has not been stood on his own. I can't blame Rooney for standing up to Ben and Bruce and demanding some changes. Someone suggested on this on the board: Owners Own; Coaches Coach; Players Play. I agree but, part of owning a team is to make sure your team is on the right track. If, for some reasons, coaches are not capable of making certains calls, owners step in. what is wrong with that?

Owners Own
Coaches Coach
Players Play

Twentyvalve
01-31-2012, 11:54 AM
This entire thing is stoooopid.

harts
01-31-2012, 06:33 PM
Rooney simply said what most of our fans wanted to say. Hop many of us are frustrated during the season. We watched Ben holding balls a little too long and taking unnecessary sacks, saw those unreasonable long passes, and of course the stats that Ben is consistently among the most sacked QBs. Rooney made a suggestion at the end of 2009 season that he would prefer more running, but that has not happened this season.
The play callings were mostly dictated by Ben and Arains, Tomlin has not been stood on his own. I can't blame Rooney for standing up to Ben and Bruce and demanding some changes. Someone suggested on this on the board: Owners Own; Coaches Coach; Players Play. I agree but, part of owning a team is to make sure your team is on the right track. If, for some reasons, coaches are not capable of making certains calls, owners step in. what is wrong with that?

Owners Own
Coaches Coach
Players Play

him doing it is one thing
him saying it Publicly is another

I know stuff like this goes down all the time but usually it's kept in house.
Why Rooney have to speak publicly?

Owners who want it to be about them means a team that wont win Super Bowls

harts
01-31-2012, 06:52 PM
Just because he "owns" the Steelers doesnt make him right.
Like the King of England he lucked into it because of his birthright

Now others are saying what I have already said

Rooney needs to stop talking in public.
I dont care if he is calling the shots.
He doesnt need to brag about it. (i.e talk about it publicly)

Go by a Ferrarri and Drive around a college campus or something if you need to fill up your ego!

Art (RIP!) and elder Dan -- Steeler Nation needs you.

Not a fan of owners who like to be in the spotlight and have a camera in their face.

You want to be famous?
GO to Hollywood.

But please don't be the owner of the Steelers.

MACH1
01-31-2012, 07:04 PM
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zcoop
01-31-2012, 07:09 PM
him doing it is one thing
him saying it Publicly is another

I know stuff like this goes down all the time but usually it's kept in house.
Why Rooney have to speak publicly?

Owners who want it to be about them means a team that wont win Super Bowls

Are you sayin he's a Drama Queen? :crying01:

Bayz101
01-31-2012, 07:09 PM
Thanks for merging that :thumbsup:

Now. KILL IT BEFORE IT LAYS EGGS!

LVSteelersfan
01-31-2012, 08:45 PM
him doing it is one thing
him saying it Publicly is another

I know stuff like this goes down all the time but usually it's kept in house.
Why Rooney have to speak publicly?

Owners who want it to be about them means a team that wont win Super Bowls

What a load of hogwash. How many Super Bowls did the Cowboys win under Jerry Jones? They might be crap now but he has been a meddling owner all through the 90s when they were good. Jerry Jones is as public and in your face an owner as he can possibly be. Rooney says one thing in public and gets criticized for it? He has the right to say whatever he wants to.

Bayz101
01-31-2012, 08:49 PM
Getting sick of Rooney commenting publicly about Ben, the offense etc.
So what if he is the owner.
He is turning into a mini Jerry Jones and what have the Cowboys won since he got rid of Jimmy Johnson.

If the players feel they have to answer to the owner and not the coach then it undermines the power of the Head Coach --> i.e Dallas for the last 15 years - (except for Parcells who wouldnt put up with that nonsense)

Owners Own
Coaches Coach
Players Play

When that happens - Super Bowls are won
We need the elder Rooney back here to right the ship
The current Captain is not ready and is starting to run the Steelers aground

So I guess the president of the Untied States should shut the hell up and let his senators do the talking, huh? (Let's not use Obama as an example :chuckle:)