Fire Todd Haley!!!!!

[Ricco Suavez]

Just thought this would eliminate starting a thread after the first week of next year.:rofl:

[Fire Arians]

stickied :chuckle:

[stb_steeler]

Hopefully not needed.......:wink02:

[Bayz101]

Before the guy is even officially confirmed as our Coordinator, he's already got a bounty :doh:


Welcome to Pittsburgh!

:chuckle:

[Fire Arians]

Hopefully not needed.......:wink02:

i don't think it will, just having fun with it now lol :chuckle:

[zcoop]

i don't think it will, just having fun with it now lol :chuckle:

Y'all crazy as He!! :chuckle:

[MACH1]

Almost thought I was at StfU.

Heads are melting. :chuckle:

[6RingsAndCounting]

Just score in the redzone and he won't have to worry about being fired

[stb_steeler]

Careful Ben, this guy Bites!!! :chuckle:
http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af43/SASgifs/vfz8eb.gif

[AgentGold007]

All systems are go! http://www.digitalbusstop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Wile-E-Coyote.jpg

[Wallace108]

Careful Ben, this guy Bites!!! :chuckle:
http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af43/SASgifs/vfz8eb.gif

I'm pretty sure he's saying "What the Fichtner." The "ner" just got cut off. :wink02:

[tony hipchest]

stickied :chuckle:

speaking of stickied...

Almost thought I was at StfU.

Heads are melting. :chuckle:

and SUck-

http://picchore.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/todd-haley-animated-gif.gif

:sofunny:

contrary to arians' lovers, aunts, and uncles popular belief, i think haley will have to work twice as hard as arians did (which means putting in a full day at the office) to **** this gig up, and draw the ire of the "Nation" in the 1st year.

[ricardisimo]

stickied :chuckle:
Now all we have to do is change your user name.

[Wallace108]

Now all we have to do is change your user name.

Rehire Arians? :noidea:

[MACH1]

Rehire Arians? :noidea:

Do they need a jock washer?

[Wallace108]

http://picchore.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/todd-haley-animated-gif.gif

That gif would be a lot better if Haley wasn't in it. He's ****ing things up already. Fire his ass.

[tony hipchest]

it would be alot better if haley wasnt in it and my penis was.

:shout:- FIRE HALEY!!!

[FIREHALEY]

Haley's response to this thread:

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/TODD-HALEY-F-U.gif

[tony hipchest]

nice hat. :hatsoff:

[Steel Peon]

Nice thread.........can't let the new guy get full of himself too fast........maybe the absence of a thread like this is why Arians was lame from the start?

[jiminpa]

Let's give him a half season to be complete screw up before we call for his firing. That's what I gave Arians, and even then I kept hoping he would start proving me wrong. May Indy, like Cleveland before them, forever be hounded by Arians's culture of losing, now that he will be touching their organization. Fortunately, the Steelers culture of championship prevails, and hopefully Haley will contribute to that.

[FanSince72]

I can't wait for the: "Fire the Guy We Haven't Hired Yet" thread. :sofunny:

[ricardisimo]

I can't wait for the: "Fire the Guy We Haven't Hired Yet" thread. :sofunny:
I was considering creating a "Fire Tom Clements" thread. :noidea:

[Bayz101]

We've hired him, it's official.

[polamalubeast]

:doh:

[Pi Kapp Steeler]

First play... bubble screen! Haha

[effyou515]

draw play on the one yard line:chuckle:

[TRH]

draw play on the one yard line:chuckle:

4 times in a row...........

[Fire Arians]

4 times in a row...........

"my offense was made to score!" (field goals) :chuckle:

[mesaSteeler]

Can we have a fire Roger Goodell thread? I predict it would end up being even longer than the Fire Arians thread.

[stb_steeler]

Can we have a fire Roger Goodell thread? I predict it would end up being even longer than the Fire Arians thread.

after we get a big thread goin on Goodhell, maybe we can sent it to him....:chuckle:

[steelax04]

Just ran across this site with Haley gifs...

http://www.eighteen-one.com/2009/11/todd-haley-angriest-coach-in-football.html

[Blackout]

Just ran across this site with Haley gifs...

http://www.eighteen-one.com/2009/11/todd-haley-angriest-coach-in-football.html

I can't wait to see him blow up in Ben's face after these.

[pitt0wns]

We got another Cowher on our hands :)

[Kanata-Steeler]

We got another Cowher on our hands :)

I sure hope so, 'cause that is EXACTLY what our Offense needs, a bit of "Chin" in their face !

[Bayz101]

I sure hope so, 'cause that is EXACTLY what our Offense needs, a bit of "Chin" in their face !

And spit :sofunny:

[ricardisimo]

Just ran across this site with Haley gifs...

http://www.eighteen-one.com/2009/11/todd-haley-angriest-coach-in-football.html
That is some classic shit. We have a colorful few years to look forward to.

[Kanata-Steeler]

And spit :sofunny:

ya, so true.
:chuckle:

[TheManOfSteel]

lmbo!!! You know after our first bad performance on offense it will be coming!

[FrancoLambert]

:applaudit:
Bring it Todd. We need some of this.....fire and intensity.
Balance Coach Cool who's way too cool most of the time especially towards the refs after a bogus call.
If accountability means getting in someone's face when they're not doing their job, well we could use more of that on our sideline.
Some players may not like this approach, tough, it's needed.

[Dalarin]

Hopefully the draft day philosophy is "we are one lineman and a true fullback away from having a top redzone offense." If that pans out Haley might have a long productive career in Pittsburgh

[chitownpit]

Todd Haley has really done well with his star players. If you have talent he will make the most of it.
We have a ton of talent on this team, He is like a kid in a candy store, He was drawing up plays
for Rainey 5 minutes after we drafted him. Ala Mc Cluster who used to shred our defense he was so quick.
Wallace,Brown,Sanders,Miller,Cotchery,ect,ect, We have all the weapons in the world but Ben has rarely
had time to use these guys laying on his back bleeding from his nose. 4 of 5 offensive line men have been
drafted in the first 2 rounds the last 3 years! Believe it or not, i believe we are in the process of building
one of the best Olines in the league. Ben could have ten quality years if not taking these hits. Im thinking
this could be one fantastic draft, give Haley his little scat back and open up this offense. HERE WE GO STEELERS! HERE WE GO!!!

[chrosched]

it is bad

[Steel Scrotum]

Your boss can't be your friend, personality-wise it's a match...let's see if it's a match personnel-wise

[Bayz101]

Your boss can't be your friend, personality-wise it's a match...let's see if it's a match personnel-wise

Your name :sofunny:

[mistersheezy]

This thread will blow up on Haley's first bad call, lol!

[rich4eagle]

I am concerned about the change of OC's. The team needs to plays to skill player talents and right now the talent is more on passing than running. Word has it focus on running will return. Where is Bettis?

[JPPT1974]

Give him a chance. Cut the guy some slack. He has just gotten here.

[rich4eagle]

I am concerned that we will not focus on the passing game which is a strength to use more plays running. I am high on Redman and think he will suprisingly gain a lot of yards

[ricardisimo]

This thread will blow up on Haley's first bad call, lol!

Give him a chance. Cut the guy some slack. He has just gotten here.
I wouldn't worry too much about this. The thread was started largely as a joke. Not sure if you guys were around back when the Arians thread was alive... now that was something to behold. Haley doesn't have to do too much (especially this season) to avoid the barrage of rotten fruit.

Then again, we Steelers fans are some of the most spoiled fans in the world. It's possible that if Haley isn't running up the score week-in and week-out we'll be hearing about what a bum he is and how he needs to start packing. :noidea:

[mesaSteeler]

I wouldn't worry too much about this. The thread was started largely as a joke. Not sure if you guys were around back when the Arians thread was alive... now that was something to behold. Haley doesn't have to do too much (especially this season) to avoid the barrage of rotten fruit.

Then again, we Steelers fans are some of the most spoiled fans in the world. It's possible that if Haley isn't running up the score week-in and week-out we'll be hearing about what a bum he is and how he needs to start packing. :noidea:

All Haley has to do to improve over the Airhead is NOT run repeated passing plays from inside the 20 at night, during a howling blizzard, on a frozen field, when we LOST to the Clownies.

[urgle burgle]

i miss joe walton.......sigh.

[drucifer]

This guy has yet to get us into the playoffs, let alone the AFCCG or the Super Bowl! He must go!

[njsteeler87v2]

All Haley has to do to improve over the Airhead is NOT run repeated passing plays from inside the 20 at night, during a howling blizzard, on a frozen field, when we LOST to the Clownies.

Same thing happened against the J-E-S-Ts at the Meadowlands, right?

[ricardisimo]

There were more than a few blunders. Arians didn't get fir... retired just because of the Browns game.

[steelax04]

Over a month of silence in this thread?!? Shocked, to say the least. :chuckle:

[kssteeler]

I thought we were going to run the ball. Not a single rush on their 3 yd line!

[Hawaii 5-0]

Kovacevic: Haley’s Chapter 1 not so bad

By Dejan Kovacevic
Published: Monday, September 10, 2012

DENVER — The impression left all through the Steelers’ training camp and preseason was that Todd Haley’s playbook — the No. 1 issue then, now and probably for weeks to come — would lean toward power running, would limit Ben Roethlisberger’s punishment and would still leave room for Ben to be Ben.

And now that they’ve finally peeled open the first chapter?

Check, check and CHECK.

Look, I know the 31-19 loss to the Broncos on Sunday night won’t play well back home. The outcome was ugly, the late pick-six Roethlisberger threw late was uglier, and the defensive secondary was ugliest of all in getting decimated by a good-as-new Peyton Manning.

But Haley’s offense?

Ask me, and there were signs there of something solid, sustainable and maybe even career-saving for the $100 million franchise quarterback.

Ask others, and they’ll agree.

“I thought we did pretty well,” Roethlisberger replied to my broad-picture query on the topic. “We were going against a great defense in a hostile environment. We did a lot of no-huddle, mixing things in. We used a lot of clock, worked down the field, made plays when we needed to. ... Overall, I was happy with the way the guys handled the offense.”

Without a doubt, the new offensive coordinator had his head-scratching sequences.

It’s odd to see any NFL team run the ball all through midfield, only to turn to the pass inside the red zone.

It’s odd to see Roethlisberger take his first deep shot of the game in the fourth quarter.

It’s odd to see a roster that’s legitimately four wide receivers deep go with a four wide-set just once in the first half.

It’s odd to see, on first-and-15, Isaac Redman sweep to the left.

Actually, that last one was borderline bizarre.

But you know what?

For the most part, I’ll share the sentiment of Mike Wallace: “We did OK.”

Set aside the numbers. Roethlisberger finished 22 of 40 for 245 yards with two touchdowns. That won’t make anyone forget Tommy Maddox, let alone Tom Brady.

Set aside the pick, too, even if he can’t.

“Throwing that pick ... that’s on me,” Roethlisberger said. “I already told my coaches and teammates, it’s my fault. That loss is squarely on my shoulders.”

If that’s fair – and it isn’t given how the defense bent and eventually broke — then it’s also fair to examine some facets of the offense that might have gone overlooked while Western Pennsylvania was bowing anew before the altar of Bruce Arians:

• The Steelers dominated time of possession, 35:05 to 24:55. That limited Manning’s time on the field, if not necessarily his efficiency. It was easy to forget at times he was in the building.

The four scores came on consecutive drives of 10, 14, 16 and 14 plays, consuming a total of 26:51 off the clock.

“The best thing we did in this game was keep them off the field,” Redman said.

• Roethlisberger ended up being sacked five times, but that’s misleading. He hadn’t even been touched until midway through the third quarter when 190-pound cornerback Chris Harris sneaked through. The rest came late, as the offense was going for broke.

The overall good protection happened even though Ramon Foster and Marcus Gilbert were lost early to injuries.

“I thought we showed we could move the ball and protect,” guard Willie Colon said.

This is no small issue. Roethlisberger is 30. He can’t go on limping his whole career.

• The Steelers got it done on third down, often effortlessly, in converting 11 of 19. Almost always, it was a quick underneath route.

“We put together some long drives, made plays when they counted,” tight end Heath Miller said.

• I’ll say it again: Ben was Ben when he wanted to be.

“There was a lot of work out of the no-huddle,” he said.

That’s Rosetta Stone code for Roethlisberger having called a lot of his own shots. He seemed satisfied by that, and I’ll have to assume Haley was, too, though he won’t be available for interviews until later in the week.

It can get better, no question. More home run attempts. More Chris Rainey than two touches. More power near the goal line.

It didn’t all go by the script, but the opening chapter of the new offense was much better than the cover might show.

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/2567843-85/roethlisberger-ben-offense-lot-odd-haley-steelers-field-check-late#ixzz2661lFT8I

[ricardisimo]

Kovacevic: Haley’s Chapter 1 not so bad

By Dejan Kovacevic
Published: Monday, September 10, 2012

DENVER — ...

Without a doubt, the new offensive coordinator had his head-scratching sequences.

It’s odd to see any NFL team run the ball all through midfield, only to turn to the pass inside the red zone.

...

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/2567843-85/roethlisberger-ben-offense-lot-odd-haley-steelers-field-check-late#ixzz2661lFT8I
This one stuck in my head the most. It's like Bruce Arians left some sort of hex on the OC's office chair, some ghost whispering in Haley's ear: "Do the opposite of what you're supposed to do... that'll get 'em."

[Ricco Suavez]

My biggest beef of the game was just this same thing. I still would like to see some of the first down runs yield more than 2-3 yards. Second and 6, 2nd and 5, 2nd and 4, ideal downs for a team and Correct me if I am wrong we did not see any of those type downs all night, at least not from runs. Run game can and must improve if we continue to show and use rum mostly in the early downs.

[Fire Arians]

haley spreads the ball around too much, we need more of arians gameplan where we go deep to wallace and wr screen every series

why's he throwing to heath miller? the guy's a bum, fire him!!!

[Hawaii 5-0]

Steelers Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger Adapting Well To Todd Haley's Offense

by Neal Coolong on Sep 17, 2012

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5560695/20120916_lbm_al8_159_extra_large.jpg

Remember when there were questions surrounding how long it would take for Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to adapt to offensive coordinator Todd Haley?

Maybe it's really more of a question of how long it will take Haley to adapt to Roethlisberger.

While the stat book will show the Steelers really choked the Jets out in a 27-10 Week 2 win during a 14-play, 75-yard touchdown drive that chewed 10:13 off the clock, Roethlisberger beat the Jets time and again through the 60 minute game.

The Steelers, largely behind Roethlisberger, were 8-for-15 on third down, and converted 13 passes to first downs.

Roethlisberger didn't turn the ball over, completing 24-of-31 passes (77.4 percent) along with two touchdowns.

Roethlisberger was masterful in whatever anyone would like to call that offense. Not taking anything away from Haley's game-plan, which scored on five of the team's nine drives, but third downs were owned by Roethlisberger.

And Haley took the leash off his stud quarterback, throwing the ball 31 times compared to 28 runs, that percentage leans more toward the pass, and with each passing game, that proportion seems more in line with a winning formula than the other way around.

Even as the Steelers still continue to find success on the ground, their willingness to run paid dividends, particularly on that 14 play game-sealing drive.

The edges are being sanded off this offense, one drive at a time, and the stellar play of Roethlisberger gives Steelers fans reason to celebrate heading into Week 3.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2012/9/17/3345720/steelers-quarterback-ben-roethlisberger-todd-haley-offense-stats-week-2-win-jets

[steelersman]

Haley is really running a good football team into the ground! So much talent on the offensive side of the ball. When they use a fullback set and run the ball they were up 2 touchdowns. The same thing in Denver. We were up until Haley started constantly running the hurry up no huddle scheme with 5 wide receivers, and tries to get into a shootout with Peyton Manning. This is not a Madden video game, keep the defense honest, are you brain dead??? Think about it, even if we can score every time with this formation, why rush the defense back on the field and get into a shoot out when the d is tired and can't get off the field. This guy should be given a pink slip tomorrow. They have the best fullback in football and they barely even use him. WJ is the secret weapon like the announcers said today, and leads the NFL in yards for all fullbacks in the league. They rarely use him, he's open every play when they have him in the game on passing formation and runs a 4.4 40 yard dash.

[MACH1]

http://www.antifeministtech.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/godzilla_facepalm.jpg

[Bayz101]

You have got to be kidding me.

If you blame the offense for this loss, or really even the Denver loss, you're a ****ing idiot.

I apologize ahead of time for being so blunt, but that's my brutally honest opinion.

[GoFor7]

You have got to be kidding me.

If you blame the offense for this loss, or really even the Denver loss, you're a ****ing idiot.

I apologize ahead of time for being so blunt, but that's my brutally honest opinion.

Paul Zeise blames Ben. Just go look at his twitter.

[6RingsAndCounting]

Paul Zeise blames Ben. Just go look at his twitter.

If you blame Todd Haley, or anyone on that offense, you're just flat out a moron.

[Bayz101]

Ben's looking thin!

[steelfury02]

LOL Godzilla face palm

http://www.deviantart.com/download/214283367/haters_gonna_hate_godzilla_by_rumper1-d3jku3r.gif

[AndyWitmyer]

RealVen (From the Colts Board):

Bench Arians.

[Bstill5117]

Not a Haley fan...but the offense is the only positive thing goin this season. Labeau MUST get Tomlin the REALIZE the standard ain't the friggin standard without Troy. They have to adjust there playing without him. No one else can do what he does. The defensive game plan is NO GOOD unless Troy is in it. Time for a new defensive scheme til he is healthy

Just sayin!!!

[ChristianKustomz]

Forget Haley...FIRE WALLACE!

He's about as useful as a one legged midget in a butt kicking contest!

[xbroughneck]

This thread is gaining less and less relevance.


I like Haley's offense. As a matter of fact I like it a lot more than Arians.

[Fire Arians]

fire him now, i hate how he passes the ball to too many people, he needs to only pass it to antonio brown cause hes on my fantasy team, F miller for stealing my points!!!11!

[ricardisimo]

This thread is gaining less and less relevance.


I like Haley's offense. As a matter of fact I like it a lot more than Arians.
Actually, for those of us who wanted Arians fired three years ago, and the folks who swore we'd be eating our words, this thread is more and more relevant each and every week.

[JeromeBetties63]

Actually, for those of us who wanted Arians fired three years ago, and the folks who swore we'd be eating our words, this thread is more and more relevant each and every week.

Wrong...dead wrong. Ben was sacked zero times last week. Haley is going to extend his career by three years. And lets all remember, we had some great teams in the 90's but no QB...so we never won a Super Bowl. I predict Ben will win one or two more. Haley will be a big part of it.

[Kanata-Steeler]

Right now, the way our "O" is finally jelling (for the good), the only thing worse that "Firing Todd" would be losing Ben to the Jets, 'cause we'd never hear the end of "Buh-Buh-Buh Benny and the Jets..." :)
I think i just ate a bad joke.
:doh:

[STEELERNATION657]

If they get behind I think they should let Ben call the plays, He's done well in the past. He's capable, let him do it.

[Stu Pidasso]

Terrible, terrible game managing tonight.

But I still want Haley over BA

[Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala]

The 3rd and 2 on the 4 yard line fade pattern to Wallace still is irking me the more I think about it

Just hand the damn thing off.

[BigBen2WardPITT]

I was Firmly in the Fire Arians camp. Happy to see him gone. Happy to see Ben getting sacked less. And especially happy to see Ben putting up MVP-like numbers. I don't love Haley's offense, but look what it's done for Ben?

That said, we should stick to one RB more often. Dwyer looks good. Keep him in there!!!!

[DWplayer]

Forget Haley...FIRE WALLACE!

He's about as useful as a one legged midget in a butt kicking contest!

That was lame

[NSMaster56]

Surprised this thread isn't on fire after this debacle of a game.

[GoFor7]

Surprised this thread isn't on fire after this debacle of a game.

There's still a honey moon with Haley because of the Arians hate. Truth of the matter is the offense is no better now than it was a year ago

[Killer]

Hey, if Baltimore can do it, why not us?

Something needs to shake this team up.....if we can't bench Wallace, just cut Haley and run the no-huddle and let Ben call the plays......I demand entertainment from my 8-8 team.

If we lose out and the Jets get in I will fucking scream

[Killer]

Truth of the matter is the offense is no better now than it was a year ago

truth is Ben has been hurt more this year than any other......I blame Haley, he still has the stink of a loser on him from KC, I fear he's cursed

just a year ago........

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/130/files/2012/11/5446544-590x434.jpg?4c1d59

Chiefs owner Clark Hunt has got to be getting a little but hot under the collar as the humiliating losses keep piling up..

[Bayz101]

truth is Ben has been hurt more this year than any other......I blame Haley, he still has the stink of a loser on him from KC, I fear he's cursed

just a year ago........

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/130/files/2012/11/5446544-590x434.jpg?4c1d59

Chiefs owner Clark Hunt has got to be getting a little but hot under the collar as the humiliating losses keep piling up..

That isn't Hunt, is it? Looks like Pioli.

[rich4eagle]

I was Firmly in the Fire Arians camp. Happy to see him gone. Happy to see Ben getting sacked less. And especially happy to see Ben putting up MVP-like numbers. I don't love Haley's offense, but look what it's done for Ben?

That said, we should stick to one RB more often. Dwyer looks good. Keep him in there!!!!

Good post but actually I think Redman is our best back and been a victim of favoritism and being screwed:tt04:

[Quackjack]

I was a big Anti-Arians guy, and still am. I think Haley is not to much better, but still better.

[steelerchad]

I think Haley's been quite a bit better than Arians in Pittsburgh. The offense was starting to click before the KC game when Ben got hurt. That game had horrible conditions with rain and wind. This season, we are getting terrible offensive execution.
The drops have been the worst I can remember from a Steelers team. The fumbling was a record worst in the Cleveland game. None of that is on the OC.

What I like about Haley is that Ben has changed his game and was successful pretty early doing it. He's getting rid of the ball and staying upright for the most part. He still ad libs when needed, but isn't making a living off of it. I think long term, we're in a much better spot now.

[vasteeler]

I think Haley's been quite a bit better than Arians in Pittsburgh. The offense was starting to click before the KC game when Ben got hurt. That game had horrible conditions with rain and wind. This season, we are getting terrible offensive execution.
The drops have been the worst I can remember from a Steelers team. The fumbling was a record worst in the Cleveland game. None of that is on the OC.

What I like about Haley is that Ben has changed his game and was successful pretty early doing it. He's getting rid of the ball and staying upright for the most part. He still ad libs when needed, but isn't making a living off of it. I think long term, we're in a much better spot now.


agreed 100%

[Wallace17]

Fire the whole staff tomlin and Haley suck dick leabeu can go back to buffalo. This team sucks

[VictoryFormation]

The question is, if the Steelers wanted to get rid of Haley, how would they go about doing it? After all, Dan Rooney was his biggest supporter, when they hired him. His father, Dick Haley, was the Director of Player Personnel for almost 20 years. It would not be pretty if they fired Todd Haley after one season. Would they offer him a position in the front office just to get him out of the way? Aside from that, they would have to be concerned about the risk that whoever they brought in to replace Todd Haley might not work out, either. It will be interesting to see what happens. It is likely that they’ll give him another season as Offensive Coordinator.

[therocksteeler]

The question is, if the Steelers wanted to get rid of Haley, how would they go about doing it? After all, Dan Rooney was his biggest supporter, when they hired him. His father, Dick Haley, was the Director of Player Personnel for almost 20 years. It would not be pretty if they fired Todd Haley after one season. Would they offer him a position in the front office just to get him out of the way? Aside from that, they would have to be concerned about the risk that whoever they brought in to replace Todd Haley might not work out, either. It will be interesting to see what happens. It is likely that they’ll give him another season as Offensive Coordinator.

Saving face : Agree with your statements above.

[therocksteeler]

Before the guy is even officially confirmed as our Coordinator, he's already got a bounty :doh:


Welcome to Pittsburgh!

:chuckle:

LOL
:rofl:

[GoFor7]

The question is, if the Steelers wanted to get rid of Haley, how would they go about doing it? After all, Dan Rooney was his biggest supporter, when they hired him. His father, Dick Haley, was the Director of Player Personnel for almost 20 years. It would not be pretty if they fired Todd Haley after one season. Would they offer him a position in the front office just to get him out of the way? Aside from that, they would have to be concerned about the risk that whoever they brought in to replace Todd Haley might not work out, either. It will be interesting to see what happens. It is likely that they’ll give him another season as Offensive Coordinator.

Yeah, admitting you made a mistake is the worst thing in the world....

Unfortunately you may be right. I wonder if they are praying Haley takes the head coaching job in Arizona so they can get rid of him and save face at the same time.

[rich4eagle]

Fire the whole staff tomlin and Haley suck dick leabeu can go back to buffalo. This team sucks

Tomlin is not a good game day coach. He cannot pull the trigger and make games over and continually allows teams back in the game and allows the Steelers to lose at end game. So he needs to either get way better or be gone!:tt:

Haley sucks to high heaven he needs gone asap.

Lebeau still has it but the general game plan sucks goes back the Tomlin playing not to lose and then losing with superior players.

And what the hell is with this running back by committee when it is clear that Isaac Redman is the only quality running back on the team and he gets six carries a game>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>??????????????/ are you kidding or is our coaching plain stupid:tt:...........Dwyer cannot hit a hole or push the pile and Mendenhall is a fumble awaiting or a five yard dancing loss every third play and our passing offense is NOW PATHETIC with great receivers:tt03:

[GoFor7]

Who wants Norv?

[lloydwoodson]

Sorry guys - it is the same underachieving offense year after year. The offensive coordinators are variables - the quarterback is the constant.

Top quarterbacks with new coordinators last year and the ppg their offenses produced:

Roethlisberger 2011 20 ppg 2012 21 ppg

Tom Brady 2011 32 ppg 2012 35 ppg

Matt Ryan 2011 25 ppg 2012 26 ppg

Cutler 2011 22 ppg 2012 23 ppg

P Manning 2010 27 ppg 2012 30 ppg

Rivers 2011 25 ppg 2012 22 ppg

Flacco 2011 24 ppg 2012 25 ppg

Romo 2011 23 ppg 2012 23 ppg

Rodgers 2011 35 ppg 2012 27 ppg

Conclusion: Seeing that only Rodgers offensive production changed significantly, if a team wants to score more points they are better off with a new quarterback than a new coordinator.

[GoFor7]

Sorry guys - it is the same underachieving offense year after year. The offensive coordinators are variables - the quarterback is the constant.

Top quarterbacks with new coordinators last year and the ppg their offenses produced:

Roethlisberger 2011 20 ppg 2012 21 ppg

Tom Brady 2011 32 ppg 2012 35 ppg

Matt Ryan 2011 25 ppg 2012 26 ppg

Cutler 2011 22 ppg 2012 23 ppg

P Manning 2010 27 ppg 2012 30 ppg

Rivers 2011 25 ppg 2012 22 ppg

Flacco 2011 24 ppg 2012 25 ppg

Romo 2011 23 ppg 2012 23 ppg

Rodgers 2011 35 ppg 2012 27 ppg

Conclusion: Seeing that only Rodgers offensive production changed significantly, if a team wants to score more points they are better off with a new quarterback than a new coordinator.

All those teams you mentioned aren't obsessed with ball control offenses - they actually try to score. I keep telling you that, but you seem incapable of understanding.

This is yinzer nation in the offseason:

"Ben don't gotta throw da ball more den 20 times! Gotta run da ball! Gotta rest da defense! Da stillerz dun't need ta score more points cuz da stiller defense will be well-rested!"

This is yinzer nation after a close loss:

"BEN WHY DIDN'T YINZ DO MORE! YINZ STINK! YINZ GOTTA SCORE MORE POINTS! BOOOOOOOOO!"

Don't demand the offense play ball-control and then go on demanding more points. Want more points? Gotta make some quick strikes and not worry about protecting the defense all the time.

[lloydwoodson]

All those teams you mentioned aren't obsessed with ball control offenses - they actually try to score. I keep telling you that, but you seem incapable of understanding.

This is yinzer nation in the offseason:

"Ben don't gotta throw da ball more den 20 times! Gotta run da ball! Gotta rest da defense! Da stillerz dun't need ta score more points cuz da stiller defense will be well-rested!"

This is yinzer nation after a close loss:

"BEN WHY DIDN'T YINZ DO MORE! YINZ STINK! YINZ GOTTA SCORE MORE POINTS! BOOOOOOOOO!"

Don't demand the offense play ball-control and then go on demanding more points. Want more points? Gotta make some quick strikes and not worry about protecting the defense all the time.

NFL Team Passing Play Percentage

Steelers 13th 59.7% Pass
Green Bay 15th 58.5% Pass
New England 20th 56.1% Pass
Denver 21st 55.9% Pass

The 6 teams who passed the most frequently are out of the playoffs- Saints included. Quick!!!! Pass more!!!!

It turns out 3 of the 4 elite quarterbacks pass less than Roethlisberger percentage wise. Next theory that puts the responsibility on everyone but Ben please.

The teams that run the most you ask? Seattle, Washington, San Francisco, and Minnesota are 4 of the 5 who run the most.

Remember kids, it is a new league!!!!! Running doesn't work!!!!! Just ask GoFor7!!!!!

[TRH]

very interesting stats.
I agree we need to run more and i'm hoping we get a different back to work with.
I think our passing game could be outstanding - but there's no question we have to work harder on the run game to make that work.
I wasn't impressed with our constant "runs up the middle". It became far too predictable. And our OL was absolutely dreadful this year when it came to opening holes.

[GoFor7]

Remember, bubble screens count as passes too. Don't put too much stock onto run/pass ratio.

[lloydwoodson]

Remember, bubble screens count as passes too. Don't put too much stock onto run/pass ratio.

If a wr screen counts as a run it turns out teams are running more than these stats show! Oh wow! You are on to something. With all the screens NE throws they are likely running more than they are passing! No team in the league runs more screen plays! NE probably runs the most! I think you are on to something.

[Steelers58]

Firing Haley is not the reason were home, it all boils down to Ben making horrible decisions, all the time we hear Ben makes something out of nothing, yep, true enough, but how many times have we seen him tracked down and planted in the turf, this guy is in the prime of his carrer but still hasent learned to throw the ball away

[lloydwoodson]

Firing Haley is not the reason were home, it all boils down to Ben making horrible decisions, all the time we hear Ben makes something out of nothing, yep, true enough, but how many times have we seen him tracked down and planted in the turf, this guy is in the prime of his carrer but still hasent learned to throw the ball away

Some quotes as the NFL Network weighed in on Ben's comments about Haley in late October.

"I can only speak on my time with Todd Haley. I didn't feel like we were dink and dunk at all. I mean, we were fifth in the league in big plays- 20 plus yards pass plays.... Big Ben is on pace to throw more than we did that year and we were fifth in the league. I still think the Steelers are taking shots." Kurt Warner

"(Ben needs to) take what the defense gives you and don't out your offensive coordinator. Some of these things you have to keep in house. I mean we murdered TO (in the media) for this but with Big Ben it's not a huge story. I'm glad we are talking about this right now." Marshall Faulk

"Mendenhall is coming back from an injury so the dink and dunk becomes your running game because you didn't know what kind of running game you were going to have. My issue with it is this, Ben Roethlisberger, once you say this now you just gave Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace and Sanders the ability to act nuts on the sideline if the offense isn't going well... and that's what you don't need right now if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers." Michael Irvin

"Didn't we all see this coming? The quarterback who has never been reined in, never been told he is holding the ball too long, never been told he is spending too much time in the pocket, never been told these things. Now he has Haley for his offensive coordinator. I have gone up against Haley's offense and he is fiery in every way, shape and form." Warren Sapp

[wwhickok]

Hopefully he interviews with Arizona and accepts their head coaching job.

[VaDave]

Moderators,

Can I start a sticky on firing our next OC??

Haley stays, Ben will produce, like he did before the oline blew apart. This offensive system is sound, and the hype about Ben and Todd's relationship is hype. Nothing more.

As for the rushing attack, let's look at the last Cleveland game for a microcosum of the season. We stated the game with the following offensive line left to right, Starks, Foster, Pouncey, DeCastro, Beachum. In the Second quarter it was Starks, Foster, Pouncey, Legurski, and Beachum. Then in the third quarter on, we fininised the game with Starks, Legurski, Pouncey, Malecki, and Foster.

I'm all for position flexability and all, but I got to break it to you, to expect a dominant rushing attack, with all of that shifting around, especially Foster, who spent all the week prior cramming the books prepping to play left guard, then ends up playing crunch time at RT, and position he hasn't played since he was in college, is an unreasonable expectation.

When you are playing a guy that was your second string RG, who was filling in at LG, but had to be moved to right tackle, our 4th option at RG that spend most of the season on the PS, our third option at RG moving over to LG to replace our third option at LG who had to move to RT as our 5th option at that position........ Can you understand why there might be a little disruption with our rushing attack?

Guys, injuries do matter. "Next Man Up" is nothing more than macho BS. When a guy goes down, the next man is not going to be as good. If they were as good, they would be alternating snaps to balance the work load.

Hayley is doing fine and IMO was a dang good hire.

[thethinkingguy]

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[bde407]

Fire Haley??? While I agree that the Offense was somewhat "boring in 2012" Big Ben was on his way towards his best season before getting hurt. Sitting out for 3 stright games will kill anyones progress. There are many changes that need to take place this year, which one(s) will help only time will tell... I agree in a way that the Offense needed to change from the gun slinger offense. Big Ben would not last another season without a more protective offense. Alot of that is on Big Ben himself (hold the ball to long) and I think the Haley offence would build more around Big Bens ability to read a D and make more plays with his mind and not his running around the field like a wildman. While that worked in the past it will tend to age your QB faster. I just don't think Wallace (with no training camp) adjusted to fit in with the Haley offense. Do we need the deep ball plays, of course every team has that need. But we need the other 20 passing plays to move the field. As for the running game, well that never really took off because of the constant " who will start" and how long will they last before getting hurt. D-line, while it is older when compared to the entire league, it WAS still #1 overall. Don't fix what is not broken. Not saying it does not need to be adjusted but the foundation it present!!!!

I don't follow the O-line so I can't really comment..... But it sure did not seem to help with the running game when the Defense is attacking the running back before he can get a head of steam under him.

I say keep Haley, But build in a few more 20 -25 yard passes and lose a few 5 yard dumps... Heath Miller had a pro bowl year finally because he was getting the 10 yd passes the steelers never had before.

Wallace, well.... Steelers have always build team around players that could contribute in more that just one way and well Wallace at this point can only do one or two tricks.

While 2012 was not in anyway like the last couple seasons, I think the idea was sound but they were trying to put in a entire new offense and some players just could not adjust.

[bde407]

Agreed.......! The Offensive game plan was there. With Big Ben on his way towards his best year yet before getting hurt was proof of that. While I think the Offense at times did seem a little, for lack of better words "boring" I don't think it was Haley's game plan that was "boring" Heath Miller had his most productive year ever! That was a result of Haley. I think Heath Found the endzone more they ever. I think the wideouts had trouble adjusting (with one missing an entire training camp). That resulted in no need to double team a wideout which did not allow for alot of one on one coverage. Heck I could cover Wallace if I could have two or 3 guys helping to cover Wallace deep and we know Wallace has yet to show any sign of being or becoming what Hines Ward was and did. Need that go to guy who will buckle up and fly into the middle of the field regardless. That opens the sidelines. I think the game planning was there. Just need time to break in the motor, like you have to do when you get a brand new car.....

[VaDave]

bde

RE: Oline

Pretty much you can get a reall good idea what's going on in a game by watching the line play. Take some time to watch them instead of following the ball.

Thethinkking guy

RE: Stats,

I like stats too, and read your breakdown. Truly good stuff.

But tell me, do you have any stats that can indicate how many errent passes a QB makes when protections break down or receivers run bad routes?

It's easy to show a tendency in the numbers, but frankly, it does little to show indicaters that infuence the numbers, such as an interception thrown because a guard didn't make a cutoff block for the 17th time that season, and the QB was about to be separated from his mortal coil by a 380 pound human projectile?

[lloydwoodson]

VaDave, there are only a couple quarterbacks who hold the ball longer than Roethlisberger.

Even when the Steelers line was very solid in 2004 and 2005 Roethlisberger took a huge amount of sacks compared to the number of times he dropped back. The Steelers OL is actually middle of the pack in terms of Adjusted Sack Rate. (Steelers were 15th right behind Baltimore and they did pretty well last year.)

Kudos to Aaron Rodgers for having the second worst OL in football and still putting up 30 per game. 4th in scoring with the 2nd worst OL... now there is a QB who doesn't need excuses made for him.

[VaDave]

Woody,

Think about who we had for receivers back then.....Ward, no speed demon, Cedrick Wilson, no speed demon, Nate Washington, a graduate of the Ike Taylor school of catching.... just saying....

[lloydwoodson]

Woody,

Think about who we had for receivers back then.....Ward, no speed demon, Cedrick Wilson, no speed demon, Nate Washington, a graduate of the Ike Taylor school of catching.... just saying....

So your opinion is that Roethlisberger is known for his Kurt Warneresque quick release?

This is Ben's strength? Getting rid of the ball quickly?

My opinion is that Roethlisberger's style of play is to try to make something happen on every play regardless of how long that might take.

As I have posted several times... Brady, P Manning and Drew Brees all went to the Superbowl with groups of offensive linemen who were 5th round draft picks or worse.

Roethlisberger came into the league behind an OL of 1st and 2nd rounders which is also what he has now.

[VaDave]

You have a point about the OL. Also, your observation about Ben is spot on, but I'm sure it has occurred to you that the reason Ben had to hang on to the ball forever, starting in his formative years, is because it took forever for his receivers to get open?

As that line deteriorated, he didn't have time to hold on to the ball for a millisecond, and last year was no different, as he was behind the scrubeanie lineman de jour. Two of the top picks were either on IR or missed significant time. Colon was a 4th round pic, Beachum a 7th, Legurski and Foster were a free agents. Hardly high pedigree material. And then Ben got hurt.....

Going forward, IF these kids stay healthy, it should be a great OL for a long time.

[jacobo]

Just because the colts, pats and saints have had lesser draft picks for their linemen doesn't mean they're worse. It's just a testament to the great coaching of those teams and their ability to stay healthy. Ben would have a great line too with less sacks if we didn't have fifty different o line combinations each year. I remember last season for a while it was weird for him to get sacked. He had a stretch when he was only getting sacked one time or even none in a game. Ben proved he is, or at least can be, one of the best from inside the pocket. Haley helped that happen. The injury bug just got to us, again.

[harrison'samonster]

Just because the colts, pats and saints have had lesser draft picks for their linemen doesn't mean they're worse. It's just a testament to the great coaching of those teams and their ability to stay healthy. Ben would have a great line too with less sacks if we didn't have fifty different o line combinations each year. I remember last season for a while it was weird for him to get sacked. He had a stretch when he was only getting sacked one time or even none in a game. Ben proved he is, or at least can be, one of the best from inside the pocket. Haley helped that happen. The injury bug just got to us, again.

then after the OL started dealing with injuries, other defenses seemed to live in our backfield. Teams were having no trouble pushing us around in the trenches towards the end of the season.

[lloydwoodson]

Just because the colts, pats and saints have had lesser draft picks for their linemen doesn't mean they're worse. It's just a testament to the great coaching of those teams and their ability to stay healthy. Ben would have a great line too with less sacks if we didn't have fifty different o line combinations each year. I remember last season for a while it was weird for him to get sacked. He had a stretch when he was only getting sacked one time or even none in a game. Ben proved he is, or at least can be, one of the best from inside the pocket. Haley helped that happen. The injury bug just got to us, again.

Haley's short passing game is the reason Roethlisberger started taking less sacks. Haley's modus operandi was to minimize hits Roethlisberger was taking and control the clock. Tomlin made this the prime focus of the offense.

Wake up. Individually the OL of the Saints, Pats and Broncos aren't very good. They play together well as a unit though.

Jahri Evans and Ben Grubbs would start for the Steelers both at guard.

Ryan Clady would start for the Steelers at LT.

I'm not sure that any of the Pats OL could crack the Steelers starting lineup- maybe Solder.

People need to realise that the elite quarterbacks cover for their OL a TON with quick reads, audibles to elude blitzes and taking what is available.

The only elite qb who holds the ball longer than Roethlisberger is A Rodgers... and he gets sacked constantly. It isn't a coincidence.

[VaDave]

Haley's short passing game is the reason Roethlisberger started taking less sacks. Haley's modus operandi was to minimize hits Roethlisberger was taking and control the clock. Tomlin made this the prime focus of the offense.

Wake up. Individually the OL of the Saints, Pats and Broncos aren't very good. They play together well as a unit though.

Jahri Evans and Ben Grubbs would start for the Steelers both at guard.

Ryan Clady would start for the Steelers at LT.

I'm not sure that any of the Pats OL could crack the Steelers starting lineup- maybe Solder.

People need to realise that the elite quarterbacks cover for their OL a TON with quick reads, audibles to elude blitzes and taking what is available.

The only elite qb who holds the ball longer than Roethlisberger is A Rodgers... and he gets sacked constantly. It isn't a coincidence.

Logan Mankins is no slouch.

[lloydwoodson]

Logan Mankins is no slouch.

Willie Colon played more games than Mankins this year.

Mankins is 31 and has missed significant time with injuries over the last 3 years. No thanks.

I would take Ramon Foster at 1.4 million over a 10 million dollar cap hit for Mankins any day of the week.

[VaDave]

Mankins has played more games than Colon over the last three years, PLUS, when healthy, plays at a much higher level than Foster.

That said, I have to agree that I'm skittish as well when it comes down to lost time over the last three years.

[lloydwoodson]

Mankins has played more games than Colon over the last three years, PLUS, when healthy, plays at a much higher level than Foster.

That said, I have to agree that I'm skittish as well when it comes down to lost time over the last three years.

Mankins was a Probowl calibre player before the injuries though youre right. Every year some team is paying 10 million dollars to watch an injured star sit on the bench. Ouch.

[acepilot1990]

I think i agree

[Uptown Murf]

I happen to think Todd Haley is the truth. People misconstrue his "Dont give a flip' attitude as a negative thing. He will ride for his players. He's loyal like that...is scheme is way versatile, as he's been a premiere passing team, as well as a top flight run scheme..He's not afraid to challenge authority as well...Though the results aren't what people wanted, record wise - the offense looked real good imo. Injuries were the death of last season. This season will be different on offense. He is always good with using what he has..Matt Cassel looked like the truth with Haley as his HC/OC/QB coach in KC. Without Haley, Cassel looks like he should be selling cell phones at a Kiosk at the mall...

[lloydwoodson]

I happen to think Todd Haley is the truth. People misconstrue his "Dont give a flip' attitude as a negative thing. He will ride for his players. He's loyal like that...is scheme is way versatile, as he's been a premiere passing team, as well as a top flight run scheme..He's not afraid to challenge authority as well...Though the results aren't what people wanted, record wise - the offense looked real good imo. Injuries were the death of last season. This season will be different on offense. He is always good with using what he has..Matt Cassel looked like the truth with Haley as his HC/OC/QB coach in KC. Without Haley, Cassel looks like he should be selling cell phones at a Kiosk at the mall...

This comment is the truth.