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mesaSteeler
02-21-2012, 07:02 AM
Steelers new offensive coordinator Haley, QB Roethlisberger yet to talk

By Mark Kaboly
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Ben Roethlisberger hasn't talked to offensive coordinator Todd Haley.

"He still hasn't called yet," Roethlisberger said with a discouraged tone Monday.

(Earth to drama punk Benjie; You work for Haley, Haley does not work for you. Little drama punk Benjie has started down the road to becoming a locker room cancer. He's not there yet but if he splits the team over this stupidity he will be. - mesa)

Roethlisberger spent about five minutes Monday at the Steelers facility and likely won't have a chance to run into Haley soon.

Steelers coaches, including Haley, will be leaving Wednesday for Indianapolis, site of the NFL Combine. The invite workout for draft-eligible players will take place through the weekend.

Haley was introduced as the offensive coordinator Feb. 9 and spoke highly of Roethlisberger.

General manager Kevin Colbert said during a number of interviews last week that Haley has been busy in meetings and with the transition to a new city over the past two weeks.

While Haley is permitted interaction with players during the offseason, under the new collective bargaining agreement, Haley can't request a meeting with any of them, including Roethlisberger. (It's up to little drama punk Benjie to meet with Halye not the other way around. - mesa)

Teams with returning head coaches can start their nine-week offseason workout sessions no earlier than April 16. But there's no language in the CBA that states there can't be any direct contact between coaches and players before April 16 as long as it isn't mandatory.

Backup quarterback Charlie Batch told WBGG-AM (970) over the weekend that he chatted with Haley last week, and receiver Antonio Brown posted a picture on Twitter of he and Haley in the Steelers' locker room.

Will Wallace get tagged?

Yesterday was the first day that teams were allowed to apply the franchise tag to one of their free agents.

Receiver Mike Wallace is a restricted free agent and could be a candidate for a tag if the Steelers can get far enough under the cap to allow the extra salary hit. The Steelers are $11 million over the salary cap and must be in compliance by March 13.

A franchise tag on Wallace would cost the Steelers an estimated $9 million for this year — or until the two sides could work out a long-term deal.

The salary-cap problems may prevent Wallace from being tagged. And he likely would have plenty of suitors if the Steelers choose not to tag him.

In past years, franchise tags rarely were used.

Previously, there were provisions to tag those restricted players with a high tender, and the compensation for a team losing a restricted free agent was a first- and third-round pick. Under the new CBA, the most a team can receive is a first-round pick.

Teams with late-round picks like San Francisco, Cincinnati and New England might be willing to trade a first-round pick for Wallace. But the Steelers would have the right to match any offer to Wallace.

The tagging process runs through March 5.

Mark Kaboly can be reached at mkaboly@dailynewsemail.com or 412-664-9161.

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Steelerindc
02-21-2012, 09:53 AM
For some reason I view this as a problem. Do you think if New England hired a new OC that he wouldn't reach out to Brady?

I'm not a fan of Haley at all, I did like what he did in Arizona and the run game in KC, but this is not getting off to a good start and Tomlin needs to get involved soon or this will take it's toll down the line.

madtowndrunkard
02-21-2012, 09:57 AM
Maybe he's waiting for Ben to cool off? Maybe it's a "who blinks first" to show who the leader of this offense is?

Fact of the matter is... this is on Mike Tomlin. A HC calls his OC and says call your QB if he thinks it's necessary. You think Bill Cowher or Chuck Noll ignore the situation? I'm guessing Tomlin and Haley have had discussions on Ben. If they have not...then it's on Mike Tomlin - not Haley. Haley is there to do what ever Mike Tomlin says.

steelfury02
02-21-2012, 10:01 AM
didn't see or hear Ben's tone/reaction so I won't say much but really - Journalism 101 - you leave your opinion out of an article. Unless he says in direct quotes mind you - "I'm disgruntled because he didn't call me yet." You can't say he said "He didn't call me," in a disgruntled voice.

My goodness, goodness
Ben - if you got a problem grow up
If its the media then stop it media

Steelerindc
02-21-2012, 10:03 AM
I agree to a point. You're right Mike should call his OC and say meet your QB. But Haley is new to the Pittsburgh coming of getting fired from one job b/c of bad relations. Ben is a SB winning QB, it should be on the new guy with a history of getting in people faces (Arizona and KC) to make the effort.

steelfury02
02-21-2012, 10:06 AM
good point - I'm sure Tomlin has talked to both extensively - and those conversations will never come to light

Don't think for one second these guys don't like playing games with the media.

Rooney, Tomlin, Haley and Ben are all sitting over a few beers in Georgia having a laugh at it right now.

madtowndrunkard
02-21-2012, 10:14 AM
I agree to a point. You're right Mike should call his OC and say meet your QB. But Haley is new to the Pittsburgh coming of getting fired from one job b/c of bad relations. Ben is a SB winning QB, it should be on the new guy with a history of getting in people faces (Arizona and KC) to make the effort.


I guess I come from the school of.... when a new guy is brought onto the team... or if a new neighbor moves into the neighborhood...it's up to you to greet the new guy and make him feel welcome. Afterall it's the new guy who needs to learn his way around...and meet new people.

If your boss was recently replaced...would you ignore the new boss and wait for him to call you? Or would you walk up and introduce your self? It's called being a Man... have some class... or professionalism. Be a true teammate and welcome your new co-worker. If I'm Mike Tomlin I call up Ben and say "what is your problem?" GROW THE @#$#^ UP" and show some class and welcome the new guy... he just moved his entire family to Pittsburgh to win SB. I don't see this as being Haley's job to introduce him self. If Ben wants to meet him then do it.

They will get to know each other quite well come training camp time...so Haley doesn't care I'm sure. It's Ben who is being the sensitive b***h..and the media knows this of Ben - so they are printing every reaction.

I get the feeling Ben said "off the record" NO - that guy hasn't even called me...can you believe it? Who does he think he is?" It's not like Ben doesn't have a reputation of being selfish and immature.

Whodis
02-21-2012, 10:20 AM
Ben needs to stop making this about him and be a leader of his team. It wasn't long ago that there was speculation he would be cut because of off field BS. Step up and make it about the team.

Steelerindc
02-21-2012, 10:34 AM
Do you think Brady would have to wait for the new OC to contact him?

madtowndrunkard
02-21-2012, 11:51 AM
Do you think Brady would have to wait for the new OC to contact him?

I think Tom Brady is the first guy to call the new OC.

Really Tom Brady probably meets the new OC before he's even hired. I suspect Brady might have a little input as to who NE would even hire... Most importantly a new OC in NE would only mean they got a new guy with the title OC. He'd be running the offense that was already in place. Brady would be teaching the new OC how to run the offense they use.

Our system has problems. Arians system managed to rank 22nd in the NFL in scoring. Haley doesn't need Ben to learn Ben's offense. Ben needs to learn Haley's offense. Sure Haley will probably keep many of the plays and verbage already in place.... but it is Haley who will be running the offense. Make no mistake about it.

If Ben doesn't want to learn the offense and make it difficult... I'm willing to bet Mr. Rooney will have NO problem showing Ben the door. Lets not forget Ben is not exactly Mr. Popular in the locker room or in the FO. So far Ben has alienated most of his teammates, busted his face on a windshield after winning a SB, settled 2 rape accusations out of court, been suspended for misconduct, and been a general A-hole. If you think the Rooney's don't care about any of that, you are sadly mistaken. The Rooney's have NEVER had a problem shipping out players they don't like personally. No way are the steelers ready to hand over the keys to the offense to Ben Roethlisberger. - A VASTLY different situation then what Tom Brady has. So to compare the two is just ridiculous.

I'll also add this.. if you or anyone else don't like the situation - it is Ben who made his bed. Ben could have probably had the keys to the offense if he played his cards right. Ben had the opportunity to have the same respect as Tom Brady. Ben pissed that away....and Arians in ability to improve the offense and find consistency spelled the end of Arians and his offense.

plenewken
02-21-2012, 12:00 PM
I think Tom Brady is the first guy to call the new OC.

Really Tom Brady probably meets the new OC before he's even hired. I suspect Brady might have a little input as to who NE would even hire... Most importantly a new OC in NE would only mean they got a new guy with the title OC. He'd be running the offense that was already in place. Brady would be teaching the new OC how to run the offense they use.

Our system has problems. Arians system managed to rank 22nd in the NFL in scoring. Haley doesn't need Ben to learn Ben's offense. Ben needs to learn Haley's offense. Sure Haley will probably keep many of the plays and verbage already in place.... but it is Haley who will be running the offense. Make no mistake about it.

If Ben doesn't want to learn the offense and make it difficult... I'm willing to bet Mr. Rooney will have NO problem showing Ben the door. Lets not forget Ben is not exactly Mr. Popular in the locker room or in the FO. So far Ben has alienated most of his teammates, busted his face on a windshield after winning a SB, settled 2 rape accusations out of court, been suspended for misconduct, and been a general A-hole. If you think the Rooney's don't care about any of that, you are sadly mistaken. The Rooney's have NEVER had a problem shipping out players they don't like personally. No way are the steelers ready to hand over the keys to the offense to Ben Roethlisberger. - A VASTLY different situation then what Tom Brady has. So to compare the two is just ridiculous.

I'll also add this.. if you or anyone else don't like the situation - it is Ben who made his bed. Ben could have probably had the keys to the offense if he played his cards right. Ben had the opportunity to have the same respect as Tom Brady. Ben pissed that away....and Arians in ability to improve the offense and find consistency spelled the end of Arians and his offense.

:applaudit::applaudit::applaudit:

Ricco Suavez
02-21-2012, 12:08 PM
Wait and see, wait and see. Nothing but innuendo and Mesa's well placed ad-libs.:popcorn:

Sixburgher
02-21-2012, 12:23 PM
Nothing but innuendo and Mesa's well placed ad-libs.:popcorn:

With the usual amount of Brady/Patriots dick polishing thrown in by Steelers fans suffering from a serious case of Patriots penis envy which seems to find its way into every thread here regardless of subject, to boot.

Whodis
02-21-2012, 03:02 PM
With the usual amount of Brady/Patriots dick polishing thrown in by Steelers fans suffering from a serious case of Patriots penis envy which seems to find its way into every thread here regardless of subject, to boot.

Then tell us another top NFL QB that would have to make an issue out of a new OC running the offense? What's your take on it?

It's not an issue unless they make it an issue and all of a sudden they are doing the countdown to "Big Ben not talking to Haley" on ESPN. If ben wants to polish BA's balls then come out and take the blame for the play calling.

Sixburgher
02-21-2012, 03:06 PM
Then tell us another top NFL QB that would have to make an issue out of a new OC running the offense? What's your take on it?

It's not an issue unless they make it an issue and all of a sudden they are doing the countdown to "Big Ben not talking to Haley" on ESPN. If ben wants to polish BA's balls then come out and take the blame for the play calling.

Ben isn't the one making an issue of it. The media and a certain subset of fans are. What the hell does Arians have to do with any of it? That's what I mean. It's largely the same subset of fans who appear to miss Arians as their whipping boy and seem to be hell bent on pushing Ben into that role instead. That's my "take" on it.

Ricco Suavez
02-21-2012, 03:29 PM
Exactly Sixburgher, haters gonna hate. How does anyone know that Ben and Haley have not already talked via phone. Its not public record. They could have done some feeling out over the phone and are now waiting til official meetings take place. The media and especially ESPN are not perfect, their job is to "spin" controversy. The reason stories like Tebow and Jeremy Lin are even in the news is because it cause debate, one reason I do not like to be drawn into such topics. Time will settle most debate. I love how some fans take everything as gospel as long as it sheds some bad light on our QB. The endless debates of who would you rather have, what could we get if we traded Ben, always some drama he created.

I will tell you some things about Ben, I have never once heard an interview where he threw his line under the bus like Peyton did in 2005, I have not heard Ben say he thinks he belongs in the so-called "elite" unlike Flacco and Eli both did this past off season. All I have heard Ben say is that is to others to decide.

I am sure he is not happy about A being canned and he may be slow coming around also, but I believe him when he says "I hope they don't blow up the whole offense." Articles on here about "tweaking" Bens game along with the offense is more in line of what I think needs to be done. Post after post makes remarks that we are too pass heavy yet all stats prove otherwise. We led the league in TOP not a small feat. We have talent on the offensive side. I hope Haley can get the most out of these guys.

Finally I think fans have riled on A for so long they are afraid that it will come back to haunt us in the coming years and now those people are preparing for the next "goat". Go back and read my posts from this past year I believe A's time to go had come. I thought then as I believe now we needed a new man to jump start this offense, I just hope Haley has the right touch to handle so many personalities and get this team to reach new heights. I think that unless we are in either mans shoes we let this play out and hopefully for the best. :tt03:

steelfury02
02-21-2012, 03:40 PM
The Rooneys have and will put up with quite a bit actually.

Just ask the frequenters of the Ohio Turnpike and one helicopter pilot. Ernie Holmes shot at a freaking police helicopter, the Rooneys helped him out and welcomed him back.

Now - not saying that Ben hasn't warranted some trade talks - because guilty or not guilty, stories being true or untrue - he manages to get into the media for all the wrong reasons at least every other season. Look - the guy is a football player - no one said he had to be smart or that we had to like him as a person.

Just stay out of trouble, shut your mouth Ben and win us some more SBs and I'll love you for that alone.

EbonySteel86
02-21-2012, 05:09 PM
Ben needs to man up. If he so pissed about Arians leaving, and wants to pout, then he can go join Arians. I'd rather have the Colts 1st round pick, then a trouble making qb that doesn't want to buy into the new system.

Ricco Suavez
02-21-2012, 05:20 PM
Ben needs to man up. If he so pissed about Arians leaving, and wants to pout, then he can go join Arians. I'd rather have the Colts 1st round pick, then a trouble making qb that doesn't want to buy into the new system.

And you know all this from the media. A media who is in the off season. A media who has tried every way to stir up a controversy. A media who seems to be divided between pro Arians and hit the road Arians. I think everyone is over reacting to all this fluff put out by the media. Funny how when you can actually hear most of these interviews the interview comes off as anything but controversial.

EbonySteel86
02-21-2012, 05:30 PM
And you know all this from the media. A media who is in the off season. A media who has tried every way to stir up a controversy. A media who seems to be divided between pro Arians and hit the road Arians. I think everyone is over reacting to all this fluff put out by the media. Funny how when you can actually hear most of these interviews the interview comes off as anything but controversial.

If it WASN'T about Ben and maybe Hines Ward, then I would have a very difficult time believing it. This fits out drama kings M O! Sad but true.

Curtain_of_Steel
02-21-2012, 05:30 PM
Ben hasn't said anything other than.

"Some people say Haley is an Ahole(i inputted ahole), some don't lol.. I'll make up my mind when I talk to him.

So this thread has now circled to Ben doesn"t want to buy into Haleys system?LOL

Ben likes to pass, he will like Haleys system since we won't be able to run the ball effectively with our great Oline, lol..

vasteeler
02-21-2012, 05:54 PM
Ben hasn't said anything other than.

"Some people say Haley is an Ahole(i inputted ahole), some don't lol.. I'll make up my mind when I talk to him.

So this thread has now circled to Ben doesn"t want to buy into Haleys system?LOL

Ben likes to pass, he will like Haleys system since we won't be able to run the ball effectively with our great Oline, lol..


thats where i am with all of this. its amazing what it has become