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55BaileyFan
03-03-2012, 09:04 AM
This is an old song and I know most of us are sick of hearing about it.

Max Starks most likely won't be back after tearing his ACL late, and Ed Bouchette tweeted that Marcus Gilbert will be moved to LT so that WILLIE COLON can return to RT...damn it.

Gilbert was decent as the season went along but is far from an elite lineman...yet. Now, we will be letting the horrible Colon take back over on the right side.

There are a lot of quality G and T in the draft and I can only hope that the first and second round hold some of those lineman for us. We need another Maurkice Pouncey on that line. Legursky is a china doll, Foster isn't a full time starter and Scott...well, we all see how he does facing good pass rushers.

I don't like to question the man in the big seat because of how consistent they have been...but what the hell?

kan_t
03-03-2012, 11:17 AM
Colon is an above average lineman when he's healthy. He's horrible only because he couldn't stay healthy for the last two years.

Steelerfreak58
03-03-2012, 11:44 AM
This is an old song and I know most of us are sick of hearing about it.

Max Starks most likely won't be back after tearing his ACL late, and Ed Bouchette tweeted that Marcus Gilbert will be moved to LT so that WILLIE COLON can return to RT...damn it.

Gilbert was decent as the season went along but is far from an elite lineman...yet. Now, we will be letting the horrible Colon take back over on the right side.

There are a lot of quality G and T in the draft and I can only hope that the first and second round hold some of those lineman for us. We need another Maurkice Pouncey on that line. Legursky is a china doll, Foster isn't a full time starter and Scott...well, we all see how he does facing good pass rushers.

I don't like to question the man in the big seat because of how consistent they have been...but what the hell?


Don't know what games you watched but when Colon plays he is a damn good RT always has been. The last two years he got fluke season ending injuries. He is still young and if he stays healthy the O-Line will be better off with him then without him.

BKAnthem
03-03-2012, 11:45 AM
This is an old song and I know most of us are sick of hearing about it.

Max Starks most likely won't be back after tearing his ACL late, and Ed Bouchette tweeted that Marcus Gilbert will be moved to LT so that WILLIE COLON can return to RT...damn it.

Gilbert was decent as the season went along but is far from an elite lineman...yet. Now, we will be letting the horrible Colon take back over on the right side.

There are a lot of quality G and T in the draft and I can only hope that the first and second round hold some of those lineman for us. We need another Maurkice Pouncey on that line. Legursky is a china doll, Foster isn't a full time starter and Scott...well, we all see how he does facing good pass rushers.

I don't like to question the man in the big seat because of how consistent they have been...but what the hell?
Well i'll question it, because when it comes to the Oline the consistency has not been there

dbsfgyd1
03-03-2012, 06:59 PM
Look for the online to improve significantly with Haley running the show. JMO.

Bayz101
03-03-2012, 07:24 PM
Willie C. is a good lineman when healthy, he's just not been, well, healthy. If he manages to stay healthy you'll see improvement's to our line with him in there.

MasterOfPuppets
03-03-2012, 08:16 PM
colon was by far the best. most consistent lineman we had his last healthy year. most of the successful running plays were run behind him. i just don't understand the steelers reluctance to move him inside to strengthen the interior. he was good tackle that would probably be a great guard. infact the talking heads when he came out of college suggested that he may be moved to guard in the NFL.

PhantomJB93
03-04-2012, 02:35 AM
I don't have any problems with Colon at tackle, although I think it would be ideal for us to sign Jared Gaither at a low price (if possible) to play tackle and move Colon to guard.

FrancoLambert
03-04-2012, 09:58 AM
:hunch:

"When he's healthy"......."If he is healthy."
That's the problem with Colon.
Lately, he's never healthy.
Can't assume he will be an asset next year.....too questionable.

Steelerfreak58
03-04-2012, 03:02 PM
:hunch:

"When he's healthy"......."If he is healthy."
That's the problem with Colon.
Lately, he's never healthy.
Can't assume he will be an asset next year.....too questionable.

Football is a brutal game especially in the trenches.

lloydwoodson
03-04-2012, 03:04 PM
Not sure why people think Colon is bad. In my mind he is a Probowl calibre lineman.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-04-2012, 04:45 PM
I love this time of the year. Complain about our current players on the roster and after watching the Combine, think that we can draft the guy that either benched 225lbs the most or ran the fastes 40-yd dash, to just plug in and replace experienced NFL players.

Gilbert, Pouncey, Colon are decent starting blocks of an O line. Foster, Legursky, Chris Scott, an experienced free agent and a couple draft picks will fill in the rest of the blanks on opening day.

FrancoLambert
03-04-2012, 04:46 PM
Not sure why people think Colon is bad. In my mind he is a Probowl calibre lineman.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

CURRENTLY???????

Millers the sh!t
03-04-2012, 05:03 PM
I never was a fan of colon. Watch all the false starts and holds this season.

Put him at Right G

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-05-2012, 07:34 PM
I never was a fan of colon. Watch all the false starts and holds this season.

Put him at Right G

Colon had only 4 holding calls in 2009 and graded out as the #1 RT according to PFF.

This season, Colon got to watch Heath Miller get caught for Holding in KC that negated a 21 yard gain by Mendenhall and in Cincy, where a Miller hold negated a Cotchery TD.

Dont see a lot of people crying about Heath Miller's holding.

60_MINUTES
03-05-2012, 08:48 PM
Colon had only 4 holding calls in 2009 and graded out as the #1 RT according to PFF.

This season, Colon got to watch Heath Miller get caught for Holding in KC that negated a 21 yard gain by Mendenhall and in Cincy, where a Miller hold negated a Cotchery TD.

Dont see a lot of people crying about Heath Miller's holding.


Wow... really ??? your gonna try throwing Miller under the bus to help prove a point about what you think Colon is?? Most experts if not all of them would agree Miller is the BEST TE in Steelers history... It would have been a much better comparrison for you to use Chris Kemo...

Anyway dont get me wrong I think Colon ( IF ) he stays healthy can be a decent T and a great Guard... but I will say this we brought in a cast away from Dallas... Adams... a guy that many in the league agreed was done... an old man who has been playing for 14 years and i think its more then safe to say that Adams played over there at RT 3 Times better then anyone we had there for some time...

I think what this orginal post is saying is right on the money... I hope the steelers have a better plan then to go into the season with Gilbert playing on the left side for the first time and a guy like Willie who hasnt played in 2 years on the other side.... Lets pray they have a better idea then this

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-06-2012, 12:33 PM
Wow... really ??? your gonna try throwing Miller under the bus to help prove a point about what you think Colon is?? Most experts if not all of them would agree Miller is the BEST TE in Steelers history... It would have been a much better comparrison for you to use Chris Kemo...

Anyway dont get me wrong I think Colon ( IF ) he stays healthy can be a decent T and a great Guard... but I will say this we brought in a cast away from Dallas... Adams... a guy that many in the league agreed was done... an old man who has been playing for 14 years and i think its more then safe to say that Adams played over there at RT 3 Times better then anyone we had there for some time...

I think what this orginal post is saying is right on the money... I hope the steelers have a better plan then to go into the season with Gilbert playing on the left side for the first time and a guy like Willie who hasnt played in 2 years on the other side.... Lets pray they have a better idea then this

No, not throwing Miller under the bus, but using him to make a point.

Fans get on a guy for having 7 penalties totalling 55yds, in a season where he played over 900 snaps. But they give their favorite WR or TE a free pass for multiple holding calls or pass interference plays, illegal blocks. I bet Hines Ward had more penalty yardage in 2009 than Willie Colon.

Fans that think Colon(or any O lineman) holds "all the time" should have to put their hand in the dirt against a guy that is faster than they are, while moving backwards and see what they can do.

StainlessStill
03-06-2012, 01:04 PM
Fans that think Colon(or any O lineman) holds "all the time" should have to put their hand in the dirt against a guy that is faster than they are, while moving backwards and see what they can do.

I'm on record for saying that I'm comfortable with having Colon back. When he was healthy, he was said to be our strongest and by far our meanest lineman in run-driving techniques and abilities to completely destroy guys in drive-blocking. With every good block, there's 4 or 5 bad penalties the guy takes, whether it be a false start penalty or a holding call in crunch time. In those 900 snaps, those 4 or 5 are crucial.

That said, I can't stand the cop-out argument of "You put your hand in the dirt and see what you can do!" thing. That's just absurd. Just because these guys are in the spotlight and the critique's that come with that could be harsh, doesn't mean I need to suite up and go prove I can pass-pro against Dwight Freeney for my argument to be valid. Hell, I will admit right now I'd get my a**hole turned inside out just by thinking of putting a finger on Freeney and I played football my whole life. Granted, I don't have the means to train like a wilder-beast by pro's and happen to be 6'6, 320 pounds with quick feet like a squirrel either.

Now that we determined that we aren't professional NFL players and more than likely can't drive block Terrell Suggs into the second and third levels, people that aren't qualified always bag on me about my job and if I don't meet the criteria, I'm out of there.

If only I could say: "How about you watch over these network administrated servers and go into the fibre-optic setting and get this hospital back up and running starting with the SQL privileges and see what you could do.":sofunny: This world would be a much funner place.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-06-2012, 02:50 PM
I'm on record for saying that I'm comfortable with having Colon back. When he was healthy, he was said to be our strongest and by far our meanest lineman in run-driving techniques and abilities to completely destroy guys in drive-blocking. With every good block, there's 4 or 5 bad penalties the guy takes, whether it be a false start penalty or a holding call in crunch time. In those 900 snaps, those 4 or 5 are crucial.

That said, I can't stand the cop-out argument of "You put your hand in the dirt and see what you can do!" thing. That's just absurd. Just because these guys are in the spotlight and the critique's that come with that could be harsh, doesn't mean I need to suite up and go prove I can pass-pro against Dwight Freeney for my argument to be valid. Hell, I will admit right now I'd get my a**hole turned inside out just by thinking of putting a finger on Freeney and I played football my whole life. Granted, I don't have the means to train like a wilder-beast by pro's and happen to be 6'6, 320 pounds with quick feet like a squirrel either.

Now that we determined that we aren't professional NFL players and more than likely can't drive block Terrell Suggs into the second and third levels, people that aren't qualified always bag on me about my job and if I don't meet the criteria, I'm out of there.

If only I could say: "How about you watch over these network administrated servers and go into the fibre-optic setting and get this hospital back up and running starting with the SQL privileges and see what you could do.":sofunny: This world would be a much funner place.

Stainless..... you are helping to make my point. Miller gets called for holding and it negates a Cotchery TD at Cinci. But nobody here thinks that Heath gets caught for holding.

Colon takes a holding call, which kept Ben from getting sacked and hit while throwing....but it negates a TD, so fans still harp on that 4 years later.

NFL players are going to make mistakes and get beat by the guy across from them. Its going to happen. the problem is that if it happens to an O lineman, he doesnt get a chance to make a reception or run the ball to redeem himself like RB's or TE/WR's.

You dont have to play NFL to get a feel for what they do. For those that never played organized football... Find a local beer league, flag football or whatever has some contact on the line. You will see that you can play 95% perfect game, but the 5% you get beat you stand out like a sore thumb.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-06-2012, 02:52 PM
Oh and to the point of this thread. Colon is perfectly fine at RT for the Steelers, but if they draft Cordy Glenn, then I think Glenn is better suited to play RT and Colon should move inside.......but that hasnt happened the past 5 seasons, so why dream now.

StainlessStill
03-06-2012, 03:17 PM
Stainless..... you are helping to make my point. Miller gets called for holding and it negates a Cotchery TD at Cinci. But nobody here thinks that Heath gets caught for holding.

Colon takes a holding call, which kept Ben from getting sacked and hit while throwing....but it negates a TD, so fans still harp on that 4 years later.

NFL players are going to make mistakes and get beat by the guy across from them. Its going to happen. the problem is that if it happens to an O lineman, he doesnt get a chance to make a reception or run the ball to redeem himself like RB's or TE/WR's.

You dont have to play NFL to get a feel for what they do. For those that never played organized football... Find a local beer league, flag football or whatever has some contact on the line. You will see that you can play 95% perfect game, but the 5% you get beat you stand out like a sore thumb.

I'm not going against you in what you're saying. I think Willie Colon is our best offensive lineman and is underrated underneath all that offensive line garbage. That said, I don't think anybody here doesn't think Heath ever holds. As you said, you're making your own point in pointing out that Heath held on Cotchery's touchdown.

Players make mistakes on virtually every play and so do coach's. What makes or breaks a player, especially on the offensive line, is timing of the foul and the repercussions of that. Guys like Michael Ohr has a reputation of being a stud young talent, but leads the league in false starts and his value suffers because of that. For Colon's sake, he's considered the best lineman on a bad offensive line so the scrutiny comes down harder on him givin' he's our best lineman when we all see him standing around when Ben's getting killed.

I give credit where credit is due and Heath deserves some MAD praise as an NFL football player but that doesn't necessarily mean that I've never seen the guy hold or virtually make a bad play that cost our team.

Hell, for a little while there, I was PISSED at Heath during a couple series this season. He had some big drops and was the result of a ill-advised turnover in Cincinnati that kept the Bungs in the game (also as you pointed out, the holding call, which was a lame-ass flag to begin with.) I hold that single play against Heath as I would Colon getting completely embarrassed while he watch's his QB get drilled time and time again.

They always did say an offensive lineman hates the spotlight. If nobody is talking about an offensive lineman, it's a good thing. Our unit has been talked about for years and obviously that needs continued fixing.

60_MINUTES
03-06-2012, 04:21 PM
No, not throwing Miller under the bus, but using him to make a point.

Fans get on a guy for having 7 penalties totalling 55yds, in a season where he played over 900 snaps. But they give their favorite WR or TE a free pass for multiple holding calls or pass interference plays, illegal blocks. I bet Hines Ward had more penalty yardage in 2009 than Willie Colon.

Fans that think Colon(or any O lineman) holds "all the time" should have to put their hand in the dirt against a guy that is faster than they are, while moving backwards and see what they can do.


Im not saying Colon sucks either.. I think he is decent to solid and could be very solid at guard.. what I am saying is I thought you picked a bad example to prove your point... The reason guys like Miller and Ward dont get the book threw at them for mistakes is because of what they have done as steelers... you should have used a guy like Starks.. or marvell smith for your comparrison.. Miller just happens to be one of the best in the league and the best Steeler TE in history... so when the guy makes mistakes people tend to forgive him a bit quicker... As far as colon.. i agree he could be solid but at this point it is what it is and the fact is thus far in Willlie carrer he is average at best when comparred to other steeler greats at his position.. lets see how he finishes up.

Fire Arians
03-06-2012, 05:05 PM
colon is job insurance for our medical staff

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-06-2012, 06:53 PM
thus far in Willlie carrer he is average at best when comparred to other steeler greats at his position.. lets see how he finishes up.

The greats like Justin Strelczyk, Leon Searcy or Marvel Smith? He is possibly the 2nd best O lineman on the team currently and while the competition isnt the best, its something to build on .

The complainers can keep on whining about him, but at the present time the best OT combination we have is Gilbert at LT and Colon at RT, so get used to it until free agency comes and goes.

tony hipchest
03-06-2012, 06:59 PM
until we gut the contracts of our defense the steelers will never be able to afford a top notch OL like the fans think ben and the offense deserve. as it is, miller, ben, and soon to be wallace will all be some of the highest paid at their position.

60_MINUTES
03-06-2012, 11:18 PM
The greats like Justin Strelczyk, Leon Searcy or Marvel Smith? He is possibly the 2nd best O lineman on the team currently and while the competition isnt the best, its something to build on .

The complainers can keep on whining about him, but at the present time the best OT combination we have is Gilbert at LT and Colon at RT, so get used to it until free agency comes and goes.


I agree with this 100 percent... thats what the whole debate is about man... IMO and many others we have to address this.. we need to make sure he is not the 2nd best OT on the team.. we need to make sure he is the 3rd best OT and the Best guard on the Team.. Now if no one falls to us and we can t grab a guy in FA because of lack of money then I guess we have to keep Colon there... however IMO going into the season with a guy that has not played in two years because of major injuries.. along with the fact that when he did play he was average... to good at best... Its just not very smart at all... by the way we tried that last year and looked how it ended up ( after the injuries we had the worst line in football until Starks came back and made us at least decent for a while )

Bottom line we have to draft OL sometime in the first 2 picks...round one or Two doesnt matter to me...either that or maybe the rumor of bringing in gaither or whatever his name is might not be a bad idea...

All I know is if the Steelers are dumb enough to go into the season with Colon coming off two years of injuries and John Scott as his back up.. then we are way more retarded then I ever dreamed we could be... Lets assume our FO will do what they need to do this off season

60_MINUTES
03-06-2012, 11:36 PM
until we gut the contracts of our defense the steelers will never be able to afford a top notch OL like the fans think ben and the offense deserve. as it is, miller, ben, and soon to be wallace will all be some of the highest paid at their position.



Actually I think the steelers can afford to pay and do pay well to the OL.. they just pay the wrong people... Why in the world they cant see it is beyond me...

We are giving John Scott ( worst OT in football IMO I would rather have Essex at Vet Min ) but anyway we are giving him 2.2 mil.. Chris K was getting around 4... shit those two guys alone could be cut... I would expect for 6 mil a year we could get one of the better Guards or tackles in football. and look at the money Colon makes... Flozall Adams ( who I might add played at least 3 times better then Colon ever did out at RT ) he wanted 4 mil to stay...shit Colon makes more then that...

again dont get me wrong I think Colon is decent and would be great a guard.. but I dont care how people look at it he has not even come close to earning the 6 mil he will get this year.

Bottom line is that since the steelers built heinz field Dan rooney and the boys have lived up to their end of the deal.. they said they had to have the new stadium to pay and compete and they have paid good money... We also have won our asses off... Its been great being a steeler fan... that being said we always pay our guys good money but in doing that we seem to pay the guys on our team that dont deserve good money as well... How we can be so smart with players but yet also be so dumb with others is beyond me... Kendell Simmons over paid.. Dewayne Washington was way over paid.. Chad Scott got a mil more then Dewayne... Chris K has robbed us blind. Colon again is a decent guy but not near worth 6 mil a year. Arnez battle was getting 2.7 mil a year. John Scott ( 2.2 mil ) good lord I still cant believe that.

If David Johnson makes anything over a dollar then its the worst contract in history

the list goes on and on... I know other teams have those list as well but it just seems the Steelers sign some of the average guys for money no other team would dare pay them.

Two guys stick out to me more then anyone in the past 10 years.. when both signed I hit the floor... One was Dewayne Washington... everyone in the world new the guy sucked.. how he cont to start over Townsend and then get paid the big money ( back then it was big money for a CB 4 mil a year ) I never understood.it.. finally townsend got his chance and played 10 times better then Dewayne...

the other for me is Chris Kemo... man I and many others have been saying for years now how bad this guy is... not only did he keep his starting job but the guy got paid top money ( shit Pro bowl money ) now all of a sudden they finally see how bad he sucks and then finally cut him... How in the world did he get paid to begin with... he as never been nothing any better then the 5th round pick we wasted on him ( I think it was 5th )

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-07-2012, 12:12 AM
All I know is if the Steelers are dumb enough to go into the season with Colon coming off two years of injuries and John Scott as his back up.. then we are way more retarded then I ever dreamed we could be... Lets assume our FO will do what they need to do this off season

Now this is over-reaction. Jon Scott actually played well at RT last season....which stands to reason because that is what he is. A RT that the Steelers had to play at LT at the start of the season.

Colon had a triceps tear last year. not really career threatening. The issue is that the Steelers should have addressed the O line at least 5 years ago (I mean other than Tony Hills) and at the current moment its possible that Gilbert, Pouncey, Colon, Scott, Foster could be the best 5 they can put on the field.

I expect rookies to be drafted, but not necessarily start on opening day. I can see O line in round 2 and round 4 selected.

tony hipchest
03-07-2012, 12:29 AM
i still think steelers went knee jerk and screwed the pooch cutting urbick.

sure he may have been bench fodder, but look how long essex and kemo stuck around.

ricardisimo
03-07-2012, 01:32 AM
i still think steelers went knee jerk and screwed the pooch cutting urbick.

sure he may have been bench fodder, but look how long essex and kemo stuck around.
We cut Urbik so we could keep Dorian Brooks. That hurts.

60_MINUTES
03-07-2012, 08:41 AM
Now this is over-reaction. Jon Scott actually played well at RT last season....which stands to reason because that is what he is. A RT that the Steelers had to play at LT at the start of the season.

Colon had a triceps tear last year. not really career threatening. The issue is that the Steelers should have addressed the O line at least 5 years ago (I mean other than Tony Hills) and at the current moment its possible that Gilbert, Pouncey, Colon, Scott, Foster could be the best 5 they can put on the field.

I expect rookies to be drafted, but not necessarily start on opening day. I can see O line in round 2 and round 4 selected.




Are you cousins with Colon or Scott ?? lol come on man even at RT Scott is as bad as it gets... Esses is 2 times better as a back up then Scott and thats not saying much. Bottom line there is not an expert alive that would say its a good idea to go into the season with Colon coming off two season en ding injuries and Scott backing him up.. Remember man we are not the Bills just trying to put a decent team on the field.. We are the Steelers. A superbowl contender.. we dont go into the season with an average plan.. we have to go into the season with a Superbowl Plan.

How could anyone on earth think going into the season with a guy coming off two year ending injuries and a guy that got killed all year backing him up is a good idea ????
by the way I remember arron Smith tore his tricept and then tore it again the next year.

one last thing... go turn on the tape of last year... I dont remember the game.. may have been Denver but it was at the end of the year.. Gilberts shoulder was tweaked and he came out for a quarter or so... scott went in and he got killed just about every play.. BEN got massive pressure 3 or 4 pass plays in a row from Scotts side... then Gilbert came back in and played hurt... Im cant remember the game but others on here will probably remember it..

Fire Arians
03-07-2012, 11:33 AM
i'm surprised jonathan scott hasn't been cut yet. he's the biggest waste of space ive ever seen

Heinz Hitman
03-07-2012, 04:04 PM
Are you cousins with Colon or Scott ?? lol come on man even at RT Scott is as bad as it gets... Esses is 2 times better as a back up then Scott and thats not saying much. Bottom line there is not an expert alive that would say its a good idea to go into the season with Colon coming off two season en ding injuries and Scott backing him up.. Remember man we are not the Bills just trying to put a decent team on the field.. We are the Steelers. A superbowl contender.. we dont go into the season with an average plan.. we have to go into the season with a Superbowl Plan.

How could anyone on earth think going into the season with a guy coming off two year ending injuries and a guy that got killed all year backing him up is a good idea ????
by the way I remember arron Smith tore his tricept and then tore it again the next year.

one last thing... go turn on the tape of last year... I dont remember the game.. may have been Denver but it was at the end of the year.. Gilberts shoulder was tweaked and he came out for a quarter or so... scott went in and he got killed just about every play.. BEN got massive pressure 3 or 4 pass plays in a row from Scotts side... then Gilbert came back in and played hurt... Im cant remember the game but others on here will probably remember it..

Amen, brother 60! Jonathan Scott is a worthless piece of crap. I wouldn't have him as the starting towel boy. Only thing I can think is that he is blackmailing Kuegler with some drunken gay sex romp the two of them had in Buffalo. Going into this season with a very fragile Colon starting and a worthless J Scott backing him up makes me worry. Any word on what The Hotel is up to?

Steel_Bus_24
03-07-2012, 05:31 PM
Scott equals one of these

http://i02.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/009/883/223/1251096103830_hz_myalibaba_web3_11496.jpg

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-07-2012, 06:56 PM
Are you cousins with Colon or Scott ?? lol come on man even at RT Scott is as bad as it gets... Esses is 2 times better as a back up then Scott and thats not saying much. Bottom line there is not an expert alive that would say its a good idea to go into the season with Colon coming off two season en ding injuries and Scott backing him up.. ..

Not related at all. But, I am the guy that looked at Colon from a technique standpoint 5 years ago and pointed out that he is actually a very solid performing lineman. While all the fans that like to complain, but cant explain why they are complaining....did the hating. Then all the haters got on the bandwagon 3 years ago when Colon played stellar.......and now you are back to hating.

Jon Scott is similar in that he played well in the absence of Starks 2 seasons ago and is a good utility lineman, but not a starter at LT. If you actually break down game film of him playing RT while Gilbert was injured, instead of just remembering that he got abused by Freeney.....you will see that he is a better than average RT.

When you find a published opinion of these "experts" you reference, please let me know. The experts that are professional football people like Sean Kugler, Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert seemed to think Colon starting at RT with Jon Scott backing him up was good enough last season.

Continue the hate, but I expect to see Colon at RT again this season unless they try to push him inside at guard. Experts like Kevin Colbert seem to be implying that.

60_MINUTES
03-07-2012, 08:59 PM
Not related at all. But, I am the guy that looked at Colon from a technique standpoint 5 years ago and pointed out that he is actually a very solid performing lineman. While all the fans that like to complain, but cant explain why they are complaining....did the hating. Then all the haters got on the bandwagon 3 years ago when Colon played stellar.......and now you are back to hating.

Jon Scott is similar in that he played well in the absence of Starks 2 seasons ago and is a good utility lineman, but not a starter at LT. If you actually break down game film of him playing RT while Gilbert was injured, instead of just remembering that he got abused by Freeney.....you will see that he is a better than average RT.

When you find a published opinion of these "experts" you reference, please let me know. The experts that are professional football people like Sean Kugler, Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert seemed to think Colon starting at RT with Jon Scott backing him up was good enough last season.

Continue the hate, but I expect to see Colon at RT again this season unless they try to push him inside at guard. Experts like Kevin Colbert seem to be implying that.



lol... experts like Mike Tomlin and kugler seem to think its a good idea... lol..yeah how did it work out for them last year? Lets hope Colbert ( expert ) does what he is implying... and Im not a hater.. I think Colon is a very decent to good Oline player and could be a very solid guard... i would love more then anything in the world for colon to be moved to guard.. two reasons... one he could be great there.. and two if he goes down again with injury then we have solid back ups...

Again I will say this and Why everyone on this thread is getting it but you I dont know... but anyway for the record There is not a football coach in histroy.. or anyone that knows anything at all about football that would think for one min that going into the season with a Guy coming off Two season ending injuries in a row... a guy that was average or maybe a little above but for sure not a probowl player... a guy that hasnt played a full season in 3 years... no one I mean no one but you seems to think its a good idea to go into the season with that guy as our starter while a guy like Scott backs him up.
and by the way Im not talking about the colts game... Im talking about when Gilbert went out the game in the first half I think against Denver and Scott came in at RT and got killed ... so bad to the point that they brought back in an injured Gilbert...

anyway everyone in the world besides you and Colon and Scott understand going into the season with Colon as a starter and Scott as back up is not a good idea... lets pray we draft a OT or bring one in and move Colon to guard to finally fix this damn line

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-07-2012, 10:03 PM
Man, I am impressed by bold letters. They really add something to a point with no substance and only opinion.

Look into what the results of surgical repair of achilles tendons are like. Dr. Myerson at Baltimore Mercy Hospital has a good explanation of the success rates. Also, you can look up torn triceps repairs as well. Not much of an issue with Colon playing RT and it appears the Steelers and their physicians are fine with it.

Jon Scott is a free agent, so no guarantee that he is signed by the Steelers, but I really would not be surprised if he was signed as a reserve. He is a good veteran backup and run blocks with better pad level than Essex. I really hope Trai Essex is let walk.

I would not be surprised to see the Steelers take a flyer on a developmental LT prospect like Nate Potter in the 4th round or later in the draft. They then would need a veteran OT like Scott or another free agent, but the Steelers dont normally go for the premier FA prospects.

I honestly would not be suprised to see an O line of Gilbert, Chris Scott, Pouncey, Foster, Colon to start with reserves like Legursky, Jon Scott, Kelechi Osemele and Nate Potter come September. Vernon Carey is out there, but I cant see the Steelers paying for him.

60_MINUTES
03-07-2012, 11:55 PM
Man, I am impressed by bold letters. They really add something to a point with no substance and only opinion.

Look into what the results of surgical repair of achilles tendons are like. Dr. Myerson at Baltimore Mercy Hospital has a good explanation of the success rates. Also, you can look up torn triceps repairs as well. Not much of an issue with Colon playing RT and it appears the Steelers and their physicians are fine with it.

Jon Scott is a free agent, so no guarantee that he is signed by the Steelers, but I really would not be surprised if he was signed as a reserve. He is a good veteran backup and run blocks with better pad level than Essex. I really hope Trai Essex is let walk.

I would not be surprised to see the Steelers take a flyer on a developmental LT prospect like Nate Potter in the 4th round or later in the draft. They then would need a veteran OT like Scott or another free agent, but the Steelers dont normally go for the premier FA prospects.

I honestly would not be suprised to see an O line of Gilbert, Chris Scott, Pouncey, Foster, Colon to start with reserves like Legursky, Jon Scott, Kelechi Osemele and Nate Potter come September. Vernon Carey is out there, but I cant see the Steelers paying for him.



I used the bold letters cause it was the biggest point i wanted to stress in the IMO category.. I guess ME and the rest of the steeler fan base will have to agree to disagree with you... as far as your suggestion of what the line may look like this year....

Number one I pray to GOD your wrong or we will lose our ass and number 2 Chris Scott was already beat out by Foster and Legursky and then cut by the Steelers :noidea::noidea: so now you really have me wondering for sure about why Im debating x's and o's with you... Im not being a smart ass man.. I really just cant figure out what in the world your watching...

anyway I really hope we draft OL in first round... Glenn sounds good to me

Gilbert Colon Pouncey Foster Glenn... if not then we need to bring in a OT that can play now but I agree with you that we usually dont do that... I will say this about your post..if the steelers dont take anyone in the first 3 rounds that can step in and play this year at gurad or T then I will be shocked and die that weekend.

oh and how bout my use of the red color... wow how do I do it...my IQ must be off the chart WOW :rofl:

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-08-2012, 11:15 AM
I used the bold letters cause it was the biggest point i wanted to stress in the IMO category.. I guess ME and the rest of the steeler fan base will have to agree to disagree with you... as far as your suggestion of what the line may look like this year....

Number one I pray to GOD your wrong or we will lose our ass and number 2 Chris Scott was already beat out by Foster and Legursky and then cut by the Steelers :noidea::noidea: so now you really have me wondering for sure about why Im debating x's and o's with you... Im not being a smart ass man.. I really just cant figure out what in the world your watching...

anyway I really hope we draft OL in first round... Glenn sounds good to me

Gilbert Colon Pouncey Foster Glenn... if not then we need to bring in a OT that can play now but I agree with you that we usually dont do that... I will say this about your post..if the steelers dont take anyone in the first 3 rounds that can step in and play this year at gurad or T then I will be shocked and die that weekend.

oh and how bout my use of the red color... wow how do I do it...my IQ must be off the chart WOW :rofl:

I know that you say you are not being a "smart ass" and sorry if I read it that way. Your posts look to have the tone of some internet tough guy that likes to talk to people the way you bullied your younger siblings. I especially like how you speak for "the rest of the Steeler Fan Base".

Chris Scott was signed back at the end of the year and contrary to what many casual fans think....most O linemen don't start in the NFL their rookie year. Chris Scott was a decent LT at Tennessee, but doesnt have the elite feet for that in the NFL. I think he has solid run block skills to be a starting G or RT in the NFL. I dont blame him for not being able to beat out guys with 2years more on the roster than him.

I have coached youth and highschool kids playing O line for over a decade. I still play O line in a rec league and have attended numerous coaching clinics where I try to glean more info on technique. I am probably one of the few that rewatches games on DVR to see the line execution, not the RB and WR's. Lets just say O line play is something I appreciate. So no, you and the majority of Steeler fans are not watching the same thing as I am.

While the masses watch the combine for Cordy Glenn's 40 time and bench press reps, I watch his movement drills. I think he is a good football player, but question if he is a G or RT in the NFL. Some of his game tape shows that he doesnt bend his knees in run blocking, but bends at the waist and gets over his toes.....watch the S. Carolina game from 2010 where he played guard and you will see he gets put on the ground a lot.

So, while you may speak for all of the Steeler fan base and think Cordy Glenn could solve our OG problems from Day 1, I would say that he might be a better RT where he can play upright and need some coaching to improve his pad level and play interior line.

FrancoLambert
03-08-2012, 06:05 PM
i'm surprised jonathan scott hasn't been cut yet. he's the biggest waste of space ive ever seen:applaudit:

And don't forget his "waste of a roster space" twin David (No-Hands, Stone Hands would be an improvement) Johnson.

60_MINUTES
03-08-2012, 07:12 PM
I know that you say you are not being a "smart ass" and sorry if I read it that way. Your posts look to have the tone of some internet tough guy that likes to talk to people the way you bullied your younger siblings. I especially like how you speak for "the rest of the Steeler Fan Base".

Chris Scott was signed back at the end of the year and contrary to what many casual fans think....most O linemen don't start in the NFL their rookie year. Chris Scott was a decent LT at Tennessee, but doesnt have the elite feet for that in the NFL. I think he has solid run block skills to be a starting G or RT in the NFL. I dont blame him for not being able to beat out guys with 2years more on the roster than him.

I have coached youth and highschool kids playing O line for over a decade. I still play O line in a rec league and have attended numerous coaching clinics where I try to glean more info on technique. I am probably one of the few that rewatches games on DVR to see the line execution, not the RB and WR's. Lets just say O line play is something I appreciate. So no, you and the majority of Steeler fans are not watching the same thing as I am.

While the masses watch the combine for Cordy Glenn's 40 time and bench press reps, I watch his movement drills. I think he is a good football player, but question if he is a G or RT in the NFL. Some of his game tape shows that he doesnt bend his knees in run blocking, but bends at the waist and gets over his toes.....watch the S. Carolina game from 2010 where he played guard and you will see he gets put on the ground a lot.

So, while you may speak for all of the Steeler fan base and think Cordy Glenn could solve our OG problems from Day 1, I would say that he might be a better RT where he can play upright and need some coaching to improve his pad level and play interior line.



I dont have younger brothers or sisters.. I do have 3 little ones myself as well as I own My own ( Little Small Business ) not saying Im the richest guy in the world.. just agreeing with you on the fact that I prob do come across as telling it like I see it... but anyway Im just like you in at least one way... I always watch the tape back on the DVR and watch pretty much all O line and D line and LB... Hell I usually break BEN down as well... Not because I think Im great at it but just because I love doing it... My kids go to bed about 930 to 10 and I usually stay up til bout midnight watching Steeler shit... So your not alone on looking at tech.. and footwork.. I think more guys then you think enjoy looking at that stuff. now saying all that I believe you can read to much into some of that stuff.. all that matters is results on the field...

and I will use bold again because you must not have read my post... I didnt say Glenn would slove our Guard problems... I said he would slove our O line problems... then I put what I would love to see.... GILBERT COLON POUNCEY FOSTER GLENN so as you can see colon solves our Guard problems... anyway that would be a very solid line...
I would also love to see GILBERT COLON POUNCEY GLENN and GAITHER now that would be a probowl line IMO

one last point Glenn is rated much better then GILBERT was coming out and to me looks better on tape.. so if Gilbert can step right in and play I would assume Glenn should be able to as well

oh yeah I still stick by my statement... If Chris Scott was any good at all then guys like Doug L.. Essex. and Even Tony Hills wouldnt have beat him out. dont get me wrong Im not saying he cant become decent like Essex has over the years... but we need to stop trying to be decent up front and fix this line for good.. Its been average to below for to many years now...

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-08-2012, 10:27 PM
You have to understand that Gilbert was thought to have the feet of a guy that could play LT, but had not shown the ability as a "finisher" in the run game. It was plain to see in the first preseason game he played, that he had good feet, lateral movement skills etc, to play LT.

Glenn is not rated as a LT prospect, but rather as a RT or OG who has shown that he likes to be nasty. They are 2 completely different guys as college seniors. I like Glenn, but have no illusion that he will play LT and even think he needs some coaching up to play OG.

Look at this attached video and watch the 2nd play as Glenn shows he is a waist bender and lunges so far forward that he ends up falling on the ground. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxDmMcMWfpA
Playing interior line is all about keeping a solid base and keeping feet under you. Glenn doesnt show it.

I know he may have improved and rumors are that Dallas is looking hard at him anyways. I'd prefer to trade back 5 spots, pick Zeitler and maybe get an extra 3rd or 4th round pick. I will not be surprised to see Chris Scott progress this year and beat out Legursky. Legursky isnt a mauler, but maybe a better zone block guy. He is a tougher version of Darnell Stapleton IMO.

Gilbert, Scott, Pouncey, Foster, Colon is what I am thinking right now. But by week 6 we could see Zeitler, Glenn, Osemele or somebody creep into there and bounce out Scott or Foster. I think Brandon Brooks if drafted gets a red shirt for a season. I like the idea of Gaither, but not sure he will be cheap enough to be grabbed by the Steelers.

ricardisimo
03-08-2012, 11:40 PM
I would prefer we trade UP those five or six spots to grab DeCastro. Seeing as how everyone we thought was in our grasp is moving up, someone has to be moving down towards us. A trade with someone in that Dallas-Philly area might get us the top guard in the draft and we can stop all the speculating as to where to play the guy we draft. LG. Done. For ten years.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-09-2012, 01:52 AM
I would prefer we trade UP those five or six spots to grab DeCastro. Seeing as how everyone we thought was in our grasp is moving up, someone has to be moving down towards us. A trade with someone in that Dallas-Philly area might get us the top guard in the draft and we can stop all the speculating as to where to play the guy we draft. LG. Done. For ten years.

Ric, considering we need talent at ILB, OG, OT, S, NT.......I dont like trading away picks when there is a deep year at OG.

If anything, I would trade down 5 spots, probably still get Hightower and then be able to get an extra 3rd or 4th round pick. With 5 picks in the first 4 rounds we could do something like.

1Hightower
2. Osemele
3. Chapman-NT
4. Brandon Brooks-OG
4 b George Iloka-S

ricardisimo
03-09-2012, 03:47 AM
I get what you're saying, and lots of folks are saying it. But here's the deal: we don't have any guards. Our starting guards wouldn't make it as back-ups on many NFL teams. Meanwhile, we have Timmons and at least Sylvester at ILB; we have two Pro Bowlers at safety; we have Snack and maybe Hood (as well as the surprising McLendon) at NT; we have a very good Colon (when he's healthy) and a very promising Gilbert at OT.

Meanwhile, we got ZERO at guard. I don't think anyone would mind the team that most needs a guard grabbing the top guard in the draft. And contrary to what you're saying, I've read that after DeCastro and Glenn, the rest of the draft is a crap shoot.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-09-2012, 09:24 AM
I get what you're saying, and lots of folks are saying it. But here's the deal: we don't have any guards. Our starting guards wouldn't make it as back-ups on many NFL teams. Meanwhile, we have Timmons and at least Sylvester at ILB; we have two Pro Bowlers at safety; we have Snack and maybe Hood (as well as the surprising McLendon) at NT; we have a very good Colon (when he's healthy) and a very promising Gilbert at OT.

Meanwhile, we got ZERO at guard. I don't think anyone would mind the team that most needs a guard grabbing the top guard in the draft. And contrary to what you're saying, I've read that after DeCastro and Glenn, the rest of the draft is a crap shoot.

You are saying that we have Sylvester......but our Guards wouldnt make it as backups on an NFL team?? Sylvester is sad at ILB.

Foster is average IMO. More like Keydrick Vincent was. As posted, I believe that Chris Scott is also of his talent level. Also, contrary to what you have read, many think this is a deep OG class with Zeitler, Silatolu, Osemele, Philip Blake, Brandon Brooks, Mitchell Schwartz....all being solid players.

-A number of scouts told me that they feel Konz’ teammate, Kevin Zeitler, is the best run blocker in this draft.

- Mitchell Schwartz knocked it out of the park during his combine interviews, which is no surprise. We’ve previously reported the Cal coaches telling scouts Schwartz was the most intelligent lineman they’ve had in the program. We’re hearing Schwartz is a lock to be a second day pick and could squeeze into the draft’s top 60 picks.

- I understand there are a number of teams that still have a third round grade on Rishaw Johnson. They love the underlying athleticism he showed at the combine and think his upside is enormous.

- Amini Silatolu of Midwestern State is another small school offensive lineman shooting up draft boards. He’s receiving second day grades and could end up as a top 75 pick.

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/

Justp94
03-09-2012, 11:54 AM
This is an old song and I know most of us are sick of hearing about it.

Max Starks most likely won't be back after tearing his ACL late, and Ed Bouchette tweeted that Marcus Gilbert will be moved to LT so that WILLIE COLON can return to RT...damn it.

Gilbert was decent as the season went along but is far from an elite lineman...yet. Now, we will be letting the horrible Colon take back over on the right side.

There are a lot of quality G and T in the draft and I can only hope that the first and second round hold some of those lineman for us. We need another Maurkice Pouncey on that line. Legursky is a china doll, Foster isn't a full time starter and Scott...well, we all see how he does facing good pass rushers.

I don't like to question the man in the big seat because of how consistent they have been...but what the hell?

The problem with Willie Colon is that, he isn't an elite Tackle, He's been out for the last two seasons (Basically) and should just be a back up. But, the depth at O-Line isn't steep, What the Steelers need to do is draft 3 Offensive linemen in the 2nd, 4th, and 5th rounds. And see what happens from there. I don't see Colon with the Steelers after the 2012 season.

Steelerfreak58
03-09-2012, 03:11 PM
Urbick

Kingmagyar
03-09-2012, 03:35 PM
Hey Willlie Colon something you should no real soon.

Todd Haley cut Jared Gaither in KC the day after committing a false start penalty. Considering Colon is good for one a game this could get interesting.

Fire Arians
03-09-2012, 04:36 PM
Hey Willlie Colon something you should no real soon.

Todd Haley cut Jared Gaither in KC the day after committing a false start penalty. Considering Colon is good for one a game this could get interesting.

i like how haley doesn't put up with stupid mistakes. it would have been entertaining to see how he handles kemo if he didnt get cut lol

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-09-2012, 06:46 PM
]The problem with Willie Colon is that, he isn't an elite Tackle, He's been out for the last two seasons (Basically) and should just be a back up. But, the depth at O-Line isn't steep, What the Steelers need to do is draft 3 Offensive linemen in the 2nd, 4th, and 5th rounds. And see what happens from there. I don't see Colon with the Steelers after the 2012 season.

Name an elite RT please. Jon Stinchcomb?? You dont put elite O linemen at RT. The only thing that Colon doesnt have is height and arm length going for him. He is good at RT, but I think he can be better at OG.

Hey Willlie Colon something you should no real soon.

Todd Haley cut Jared Gaither in KC the day after committing a false start penalty. Considering Colon is good for one a game this could get interesting.

Yeah and then Gaither gets the game ball for the Chargers 2 weeks after that. Not a good move by Pioli and crew.

Former Kansas City Chiefs T Jared Gaither, who the team surprisingly cut two weeks ago, turned in his second strong performance in a row Sunday for the San Diego Chargers.


“I did it more for what we have done offensively,” Chargers coach Norv Turner said. “Then, when you watch the tape, he was deserving of the game ball. I don’t know where we would be if we didn’t get Gaither.”

There are a lot of people who deserve to take some crap for the Gaither disaster. Todd Haley and Bill Muir were out there watching the guy play every day so they are at the top of the list. Right behind them is Scott Pioli who actually made the personnel move.

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2011/12/13/jared-gaither-gets-game-ball-two-weeks-after-being-cut/

Steelersfan87
03-11-2012, 07:59 PM
People still think Colon would be a better guard than tackle based on absolutely no valid information whatsoever? When are people going to get over this already? And Colon never had any injury concerns before the previous two years, and both injuries were freak occurrences that he fully recovered from before the season was even over. Time to get over it and let him prove himself on the field. You think anybody feels worse about only playing one game in the last 2 years than Colon?

60_MINUTES
03-11-2012, 10:58 PM
People still think Colon would be a better guard than tackle based on absolutely no valid information whatsoever? When are people going to get over this already? And Colon never had any injury concerns before the previous two years, and both injuries were freak occurrences that he fully recovered from before the season was even over. Time to get over it and let him prove himself on the field. You think anybody feels worse about only playing one game in the last 2 years than Colon?


Just about every expert in the league thought he would be a good guard in the NFL as opposed to T... as far a the injuries..i dont care what kind of spin you put on it... call them freak injuries or whatever.. the bottom line is most people dont think its real smart going into a season with a guy coming off two season ending injuries starting at RT.. especailly a guy that was average at that spot to begin with...

I just wish the Steelers would fix this line problem for one time... we got a chance to go from average to below average to one of the best OL in football by making one small move...

Bring In Gaither.. it wont kill us or break the bank and then Draft Glenn in the first round

Gilbert Glenn Pouncey Colon Gaither Man that would kill people up front... Please my beloved Steelers fix this thing one time and lets move on... To think we are one small move and a draft pick away from having maybe the best OL in football... come on guys lets get this done :banging::banging::banging::banging::banging::bang ing::banging:

LayingTheWoodley56
03-11-2012, 11:36 PM
It is difficult for us as fans to judge the offensive lineman individually rather than as a unit because we have a tendency to pay attention to where the ball is going and not the trenches. However, the fact that we gave Colon a 4-year deal for solid money must mean that the organization thought highly enough of him to invest that kind of years and dollars in him. God knows the Steelers aren't too fond of overpaying to keep free agents, so they must see something there.

60_MINUTES
03-12-2012, 12:13 AM
It is difficult for us as fans to judge the offensive lineman individually rather than as a unit because we have a tendency to pay attention to where the ball is going and not the trenches. However, the fact that we gave Colon a 4-year deal for solid money must mean that the organization thought highly enough of him to invest that kind of years and dollars in him. God knows the Steelers aren't too fond of overpaying to keep free agents, so they must see something there.



They also gave big money to Chri Kemo when everyone I knew and chatted with all thought he sucked... as it turned out he did suck and we finally saw it... They where paying big money to kendell Simmons... then he went down and Darnell Stapleton undraft FA out played him... Simmons was cut and didnt make a team the next year.. A guy like Max Starks has to do everything but beg to come back...BEN just about gets killed on National TV so they finally bring starks back and he is pretty much the guy that saved the season for us... ( Steelers didnt see it ) We have now given big money to Colon and year after year he is either hurt or playing average to a little above average at best..


for whatever reason the Steelers under Tomlin just cant get the O line right.. seems like it may be Tomlins weak point.. Last year IMO is proof of that..

We start the season out with Chris Scott ( we hear all about how he has impressed the coaches in practice... he gets his chance and is beyond bad... so enter Tony Hills.. Tomlin in the boys tell us how great he has been looking then he gets a chance and he sucks so bad he is gone...now we are back to Foster who ended the year as the RG and played decent... but yet with no off season and only 2 weeks into practice he lost his job twice to two guys that were then cut off the team...

So Tomlin and the guys tell us how great chris Scott is but then one month later he is cut... How do you go from being a starter to cut in a few weeks... Seems to me Tomlin and the gang just have a hard time with the O line

Now WR on the other hand is Tomlins Strong suit... Look at the guys we got since hes been here... ( it makes since cause he is a former WR ) maybe we should bring in a former OL to help him find someone up front and quit over paying for these guys...

bottom line to answer your post... the steelers have gotten it wrong more then once up front when it comes to paying or rather over paying our Line

tony hipchest
03-12-2012, 01:21 AM
chris kemo wasnt given big money. infact he was given way below the dollar value for an above average guard.

he accepted a "hone discount" to remain with the steelers which means he accepted below market value (and the market for him wasnt that big).

when it comes to talking about huge contracts and big money, i wish fans would seperate their own net worth from the equation. this especially in the wallace threads where fans say no wr is worth 7 mil per year.

newsflash... in the nfl they are.

ricardisimo
03-12-2012, 03:23 AM
I'm curious where people are getting this idea that Colon is "average" or even bad. The actual statistical evidence that I've been shown says that he was one of the best in the league before going down these past two seasons. If you're going to make these claims, please back them up.

Bayz101
03-12-2012, 03:30 AM
I'm curious where people are getting this idea that Colon is "average" or even bad. The actual statistical evidence that I've been shown says that he was one of the best in the league before going down these past two seasons. If you're going to make these claims, please back them up.

How soon people forget, you know? He's been out of the game so long people quickly forget that when he was in, he solidified what bit of a line we had. Hopefully he's healthy and ready to get this line up to par next season...

60_MINUTES
03-12-2012, 07:35 AM
chris kemo wasnt given big money. infact he was given way below the dollar value for an above average guard.

he accepted a "hone discount" to remain with the steelers which means he accepted below market value (and the market for him wasnt that big).

when it comes to talking about huge contracts and big money, i wish fans would seperate their own net worth from the equation. this especially in the wallace threads where fans say no wr is worth 7 mil per year.

newsflash... in the nfl they are.



I thought he got around 4 mil a year... maybe Im wrong I just remember thinking we should have let him walk.. To me he was never worth more then the vet Min.. so anything in the millions was over paid.. Id say watching him the past few years most would agree and now the Steelers do as well that they missed on him... He got benched for an Undrafted FA that is nothing more then a back up himself.. Thank goodness Steelers eat the crow and we can move on...

Far as colon I guess my own eyes is the facts I use.. spin it however you want guys but when a supposed washed up Adams came in you could see how much better he was.... by far you could see it.. Again Im not saying Colon is bad.. he is average and maybe a little better then average... At times he plays better then that.. but he is far from Bad... Pro bowl type player ?? far from it and thats what I would like to have protect BEN... A Probowl type guy on both sides..

60_MINUTES
03-12-2012, 07:42 AM
His contact was 5 years 20 mil... basically 4 mil a year..to me that was to much for a guy that was average guard in NFL and most teams would have cut out of camp.. Like we did this year.. Its a shame it took us a few years to see what most everyone else could tell years ago.. Kemo sucked and was a waste of time. Getting blew up in the superbowl may have cost of that game to add to insult

Steelersfan87
03-15-2012, 09:39 PM
Adams was by no means an upgrade Colon. That's just a load of crap. "Spin it any way you want", but saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true. Also, Chris Scott was only cut so they could add him to the practice squad. For all you know he might be a starter this year. With Kemoeatu gone and Starks and Essex likely to not be re-signed, he stands a very strong chance of making the active roster this season. Learn your facts: some friendly advice.

60_MINUTES
03-15-2012, 10:54 PM
Adams was by no means an upgrade Colon. That's just a load of crap. "Spin it any way you want", but saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true. Also, Chris Scott was only cut so they could add him to the practice squad. For all you know he might be a starter this year. With Kemoeatu gone and Starks and Essex likely to not be re-signed, he stands a very strong chance of making the active roster this season. Learn your facts: some friendly advice.


If you couldnt tell Adams was better then colon had been the year before at RT then its you that must not have been watching.. Shit every place I looked people wanted adams back.. so I guess your not one of them..oh well All I can say is Adams played lights out and was prob our Best lineman that year. as far as your next statement " Chris Scott was only cut so they could add him to the practice squad " Uh Yeah.....OK ... WOW!!! I really cant think of anything to say back. What does that say about him that would be good???????

Believe it or not I do agree with you that yes players can get better.. Chris Scott may come out and look much better this year but I still say if he was the answer we are looking for then he wouldnt have been cut to begin with. You dont see guys like pouncey and Gilbert get cut.. they start and play solid as rookies..



One last thing???? learn my facts is what you said... what the hell are you talking about??? what facts... the fact that Kemo is gone and Essex may be etc.... is that what your talking about as facts???? if so Im pretty sure most steeler fans with a brain already know those things and I understand Scott will have a shot at making the team this year...

However and here is a fact and my main difference I have with your logic...

FACT...


The Steelers need to address the O line with the intention of being great up front..not average... So to me that means the Steelers shouldnt be worried about weather or not Chris Scott can make your team or not this year... The FACT that he was cut already tells me he is not what we are looking for long term.. We need draft picks like Pouncey that there is no doubt about... So draft me a stud Rt that can come right in and be solid move Willie to Guard and lets be solid...

Thats what championship teams like the Steelers do... Clubs like the Browns and Bungles dont address problems and hope guys they cut all of a sudden turn into heros of the league...

oh and before you use the only example I know of... James harrison... Yes I agree ti can happen from time to time.. so maybe we will get lucky and Chris Scott turns into the next Alan F this year... who knows but in the mean time I hope the Steelers have plans of drafting O line sometime with in our first two picks... If Not I think we will regret it big time. and please tell me what facts Im suppose to work on gettting better on... I know our team pretty good as Im sure you do.. so if you could tell me what facts Im missing it would be great.:thumbsup:

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-16-2012, 10:54 AM
His contact was 5 years 20 mil... basically 4 mil a year..to me that was to much for a guy that was average guard in NFL and most teams would have cut out of camp.. Like we did this year.. Its a shame it took us a few years to see what most everyone else could tell years ago.. Kemo sucked and was a waste of time. Getting blew up in the superbowl may have cost of that game to add to insult

Kemo was actually a guy with a 2nd or 3rd round grade on him coming out of college, but had anger management issues that slid him to later in the draft. He was a guy that is a solid run blocker and moves well for a man that size, but not the greatest pass protector.

IMO, he wasnt a waste of time, but rather a guy they drafted and developed into a dominant run blocker, but was below average in pass protection. I bet he still gets a decent payday by somebody if his knees check out.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-16-2012, 11:02 AM
Oh, and Chris Scott was cut due to the need to sign Max Starks because of injuries to Jon Scott and Marcus Gilbert. They were down pretty much Essex and Chris Scott as the only guys that could play OT and needed somebody with LT talent.

I still stand by the belief that Chris Scott is going to be a good OG or RT in the NFL and could be on the opening day roster for the Steelers. Just because the Steelers cut an O lineman, doesnt mean he cant play. Just look at Hank Fraley and former 3rd round pick kraig Urbik.

ricardisimo
03-17-2012, 07:04 AM
People are tossing the word "facts" around willy-nilly. You know, there are statistical breakdowns of offensive linemen floating around cyberspace. We don't need to resort to what Steeler Nation feels about things to decide whether a guy is any good.

Steelersfan87
03-17-2012, 10:37 AM
People are tossing the word "facts" around willy-nilly. You know, there are statistical breakdowns of offensive linemen floating around cyberspace. We don't need to resort to what Steeler Nation feels about things to decide whether a guy is any good.

Which is why I mentioned "facts" to begin with. I don't know how many times people have to be pointed out that Willie Colon gave up the fewest percentage of QB pressures of all tackles in the entire league in 2008-2009. And to most Steelers fans, they viewed Colon as a road grader.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/15/three-year-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-linemen/

Note that Flozell Adams is in the bottom 15, and that no team wanted to sign him last season, while Willie Colon turned down more money from another team.

With Colon missing for the year, the Steelers were without a guy who, over the previous two years, had given up only 43 QB disruptions, and the team finished among the worst pass protection units in the league. By contrast, 2010 saw Flozell Adams give up 46 in 578 snaps in pass protection. So, for a team in need of a sound pass protector on the right side they’d do well to remember just how good Colon has been before injury wiped him from the memory of some.

And, yes, you do have to be good to finish ahead of Jake Long.

ricardisimo
03-18-2012, 06:17 AM
Exactly. He's good, or at least he was. This revisionist history on him has to stop. Now, whether or not he can maintain his previous levels of production remains to be seen, but I'm confident, as is - evidently - the Steeler FO.