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mesaSteeler
04-13-2012, 07:03 PM
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Teams interested in trading for Wallace, but will Steelers listen?
April 12th, 2012

If the Steelers want to keep Mike Wallace, there’s nothing he can do to prevent that.

However, he can try to force the Steelers’ hand to either pay him or trade him.

And that’s exactly what he and his representatives are doing.

Less than 24 hours after a league source told me that a handful of teams are interested in trading for Wallace leading up the NFL draft scheduled for two weeks from today, news leaked that Wallace doesn’t intend on showing up to any of the Steelers’ offseason activities in protest of his first-round tender.

It isn’t by coincidence that the news was leaked that Wallace doesn’t plan to sign his restricted free agent tender by the April 20 deadline only weeks before the draft, it is strategy.

Even though Bus Cook’s plan of planting information that his client would be a major player in the restricted free agent market this year because of the new CBA rule that requires only a first-round pick as compensation rather than a first and a third backfired, that doesn’t mean this tactic won’t.

There was no way that any team would give up a first-round pick for Wallace along with signing him to a lucrative long-term contract on the RFA market, and that became apparent early on.

However, it is very attractive to teams to try to get Wallace via a trade because it would definitely command less than a first-round pick it would’ve cost them on the RFA market.

Also, it is very attractive for Wallace to go to a team that is willing to pay him the in excess of $10 million per season he is demanding.

But, of course, it takes two teams to trade, and floating it out there at the absolute right time that Wallace doesn’t plan to attend offseason workouts during a year that the team hires a new offensive coordinator should perk up the ears of all the Steelers’ decision-makers.

Santonio Holmes was traded 10 days before the 2010 draft. News about a disgruntled Wallace broke 15 days before the 2012 draft. Coincidence? Doubtful.

Although Holmes’ trade had a lot to do with the trouble he got into on the heels of Ben Roethlisberger’s Milledgeville incident, but still, a part of it was because Holmes was in the final year of his contract and the Steelers had no intentions of signing him to an extension and wanted to get something for him.

So the Steelers shipped Holmes to New York for a fifth-round choice.

Wallace would likely command a higher pick than a fifth, but the Steelers have to consider any offer that comes. Plus, it would be much easier to explain a trade of a disgruntled employee than a model employee, and Bus Cook knows that hence yesterday’s report.

It’s becoming clearer that the Steelers aren’t going to offer Wallace enough money for him to forgo testing the free agent market next year.

The Steelers aren’t going to franchise him, either.

The franchise tag was $9.4 million this year, but will most certainly go up next year following the big contracts of Calvin Johnson ($16.5 million a year) and Vincent Jackson ($11 million a year) last month.

It’s already been reported that Wallace wants Larry Fitzgerald-type money – 8 years, $120 million.

That’s not going to happen here because the Steelers don’t value receivers like that and, most importantly, they don’t have the money to do it.

What the Steelers have to decide is whether having Wallace for this year is worth losing a possible third or fourth-round draft choice or some other draft choice combination another team is willing to part with in a trade.

If it is, then they will keep him.

If it isn’t, they will trade him.

But make no mistake about it, once the draft is over and if Wallace doesn’t sign his tender, the little leverage Wallace has will be gone.

If Wallace doesn’t sign his tender by June 15, the Steelers could reduce his tender by $2.1 million and still retain his rights.

If Wallace holds out the entire year, he would lose an accrued season and still be a restricted free agent again next year when everything repeats itself.

Wallace could go the route of Jackson a couple years ago when he accepted the reduced tender, held out until Week 10 and became an unrestricted free agent after that, but that would make him less attractive to possible suitors.

So what will happen?

Well, this is for sure: Wallace isn’t going to miss any OTAs, he isn’t going to hold out, he isn’t going to show up in Week 10 and he is definitely not going to lose $2.1 million.

That leaves two options – Wallace gets traded within the next two weeks or he leaves via free agency next year.

There really aren’t any other logical options.

• Mark Kaboly
• Posted: 4/12 at 12:55 p.m.
• @MarkKaboly_Trib

(Hang on to him till the draft and then trade him to move up in the draft. - mesa)

Fire Arians
04-13-2012, 07:58 PM
one of my uncles is a hardcore rams fan and he really wants wallace. i hope he gets what he wants cause having a top 10 pick would be freakin sweet lol.

who knows though, it could be a possible scenario. almost all mocks have the rams taking justin blackmon. if they want a young wr that will be nfl ready and be bradford's #1 target on day 1 though, why not trade for wallace? lol

TRH
04-13-2012, 08:25 PM
i guess its possible we could shock everyone and make a trade...could happen.
But i think the scenario thats far more likely to happen is that the Steelers play hardball with his agent (as i think they should) and Wallace signs elsewhere next year.

OX1947
04-13-2012, 08:27 PM
Horse shit leak by his agent. His ass is gonna get fired soon. No one is interested in Mike Wallace for a 1st rounder and paying 10 million for Mike Wallace. Show is over. Wallace needs to make a decision on whether he wants to have the sack to either play out his contract or whine like a bitch.

pete74
04-14-2012, 04:02 AM
one of my uncles is a hardcore rams fan and he really wants wallace. i hope he gets what he wants cause having a top 10 pick would be freakin sweet lol.

who knows though, it could be a possible scenario. almost all mocks have the rams taking justin blackmon. if they want a young wr that will be nfl ready and be bradford's #1 target on day 1 though, why not trade for wallace? lol

i gurentee they wont give up there 1st round pick for Wallace. maybe there 3rd rounder

Rick5895
04-14-2012, 06:31 AM
It wouldn't shock me to see a team give up a 2nd and 4th for him. Especially if a team loses out on one of the 3 or 4 WR's with the 1st round grade on them. For example the Rams could very well be out of the Blackmon stakes at pick 6 but have 2 picks in the second round (33 and 39) thats where this get interesting IMO. Pick 39 and say a 4th or 5th and Wallace takes his act to St.Louis.
I know probably won't happen but it is something that may be discussed. Who Knows??

cbrunn
04-14-2012, 06:47 AM
thats exactly what happened in my final mock .. rams gave up 2nd and 6th though ... even if they do get blackmon a blackmon and wallace combo would be great to give bradford

Kingmagyar
04-14-2012, 07:02 AM
A draft day trade would be hard to come by as a new contract would have to be negotiated before a team would pull the trigger on a trade. (at least a trade involving a #2 pick which is the least I would accept for him) The Steelers would have to give Wallace permission to begin negotiations with a team for a deal. The Steelers should at least explore their options, but if he gets passed the tender date a #2 is the best we could hope to get for him.

Indy? BA could want him for Luck and they have the cap space now.

steeltheone
04-14-2012, 07:58 AM
The only reason Holmes was traded was the trouble he got in, esp for a 5th round pick.

Atlanta Dan
04-14-2012, 08:19 AM
The Wallace situation is beginning to remind me of the Faneca drama in 2007 - if Tomlin and Colbert could handle the turmoil during Tomlin's first year of a veteran leader like Faneca being pi**ed off about his contract they can handle Wallace's issues rather than give him away for some mid-range draft picks

Steelers will get one more year out of Wallace as they did with Faneca although FWIW Gerry Dulac was on NFL Network last night and said he believes Wallace wil sign a long term deal with the Steelers

fujirama24
04-14-2012, 11:00 AM
It wouldn't shock me to see a team give up a 2nd and 4th for him. Especially if a team loses out on one of the 3 or 4 WR's with the 1st round grade on them. For example the Rams could very well be out of the Blackmon stakes at pick 6 but have 2 picks in the second round (33 and 39) thats where this get interesting IMO. Pick 39 and say a 4th or 5th and Wallace takes his act to St.Louis.
I know probably won't happen but it is something that may be discussed. Who Knows??

I was think about this the other day. Thought maybe we trade him for st.louis 2nd round pick number 39 and swap 3rd rounders with them. Then they can take someone like Riley Rieff with the first pick and get a decent DT with there second pick and have wallace. It would be a win win. I highly doubt that we pay wallace that kind of money. I wouldn't. Is he due a big payday yeah. Maybe a 5 year worth say 55 million but I wouldn't offer much more than that.

tony hipchest
04-14-2012, 01:21 PM
I was think about this the other day. Thought maybe we trade him for st.louis 2nd round pick number 39 and swap 3rd rounders with them. Then they can take someone like Riley Rieff with the first pick and get a decent DT with there second pick and have wallace. It would be a win win. I highly doubt that we pay wallace that kind of money. I wouldn't. Is he due a big payday yeah. Maybe a 5 year worth say 55 million but I wouldn't offer much more than that.

a well thought out trade proposal. scenarios like this definitely merit discussion.

i mentioned something similar to this with the rams or browns to steeler depot on twitter and he immediately shot it down like it was unfathomable.

said there was no way the steelers would trade w/ the browns in division.

i pointed out how the steelers had no problem risking the ravens or bengals giving up a 1st for him.

no response.

NSMaster56
04-14-2012, 02:22 PM
If the Steelers are going to trade Wallace, the Rams seem like the most likely fit, personnel wise.

I'm not sure if they have the cap space to lock him up long term or not.

The Browns don't have a franchise QB and seem more desperate to pursue one than trade for a WR.

Steelersfan87
04-14-2012, 02:37 PM
FWIW Gerry Dulac was on NFL Network last night and said he believes Wallace wil sign a long term deal with the Steelers

So do I.

I'm not sure if they have the cap space to lock him up long term or not.

They can make the cap space relatively simply, I would think. Keep in mind that the cap number that people have assigned for him already factors in the $2.7M of his RFA tender, so whatever his cap number would end up being would be -$2.7M in terms of how it affects the cap. I think they should have around $4M right now on the Rule of 51, so without doing anything, they could withstand around a $6.5-7M cap hit for him for this year. The cap rises significantly soon as well, so that won't be an issue. Plus, Casey Hampton's contract will be gone, and possibly others as well.

NSMaster56
04-14-2012, 03:02 PM
They can make the cap space relatively simply, I would think. Keep in mind that the cap number that people have assigned for him already factors in the $2.7M of his RFA tender, so whatever his cap number would end up being would be -$2.7M in terms of how it affects the cap. I think they should have around $4M right now on the Rule of 51, so without doing anything, they could withstand around a $6.5-7M cap hit for him for this year. The cap rises significantly soon as well, so that won't be an issue. Plus, Casey Hampton's contract will be gone, and possibly others as well.

I meant the Rams.

I do not expect the Steelers to pay top dollar for a WR, nor would I blame them if they decide not to.

Hawaii 5-0
04-14-2012, 05:12 PM
Horse shit leak by his agent.

:iagree:

ANDYMISIU
04-14-2012, 06:01 PM
Why should we trade Wallace for a top 10 pick when Wallace is already performing as a PROVEN top 10 pick? and he's still VERY young. I just don't see why people want to trade Wallace.

The only thinking I can see is that people don't think we can sign both Wallace and Brown, they would rather have Brown, and hope we can get something great for Wallace. I can see that.

Rick5895
04-15-2012, 04:59 AM
Why should we trade Wallace for a top 10 pick when Wallace is already performing as a PROVEN top 10 pick? and he's still VERY young. I just don't see why people want to trade Wallace.

The only thinking I can see is that people don't think we can sign both Wallace and Brown, they would rather have Brown, and hope we can get something great for Wallace. I can see that.

Nobody is saying they want to trade Wallace. I would rather he be here. I (and others) have suggested possible scenarios where a trade may happen, but I don't think it will.
The point being if Wallace doesn't want to be here then maybe trade him and get more than we would get should he leave by free agency next season.

Kingmagyar
04-15-2012, 08:19 AM
I couldn't believe the arrogance of Gerry Dulac on NFL network the other night saying basically there is no way the Steelers will ever let Mike Wallace go anywhere. Really? If a team would have come forward this year with even a 8 mil per year deal the Steelers wouldn't have had the cap room, and next year the cap is not expected to rise and they will have to franchise him at like 10-11 million per year and somehow still retain Antonio Brown through all this.

Even signing him to a contract this summer seems unlikely because his agent wants a boatload of money. Granted it's possible by some magic they could get him signed and somehow still keep Antonio Brown but Dulac's comments are still unbelievable.

The team should use what little cap they have left to sign Brown this summer.

Steelersfan87
04-15-2012, 02:56 PM
I couldn't believe the arrogance of Gerry Dulac on NFL network the other night saying basically there is no way the Steelers will ever let Mike Wallace go anywhere. Really? If a team would have come forward this year with even a 8 mil per year deal the Steelers wouldn't have had the cap room, and next year the cap is not expected to rise and they will have to franchise him at like 10-11 million per year and somehow still retain Antonio Brown through all this.

Even signing him to a contract this summer seems unlikely because his agent wants a boatload of money. Granted it's possible by some magic they could get him signed and somehow still keep Antonio Brown but Dulac's comments are still unbelievable.

The team should use what little cap they have left to sign Brown this summer.

As I just posted above, the Steelers could withstand approximately a $6.5-7M cap hit for Wallace right now without even making any moves. And when you look at the contracts of DeSean Jackson and Pierre Garcon, both of their cap hits for this year are under $5M. Vincent Jackson's is like $13M, simply because the Bucs could afford to do that, and it's better to use up as much of the cap hit of the full contract as possible when you can spare it. Even considering that, there are still plenty of moves the Steelers could make if they really needed money, again, as I already pointed out. They could cut a player like Will Allen or Jonathan Scott, or restructure contracts with Polamalu or Harrison, and easily come up with a few extra million if they really needed it to get a deal with Wallace done.

The franchise tag is a far less realistic option at any point because the full value of the contract counts against the cap, and they wouldn't have $11M in cap space for him next year. 2014 probably, but not next year.

Hawaii 5-0
04-19-2012, 05:08 PM
Sources: Mike Wallace likely to stay

Updated: April 19, 2012
ESPN.com news services

With Steelers restricted free-agent wide receiver Mike Wallace facing a Friday deadline to sign an offer sheet with another team, it now is expected that he will return to Pittsburgh for the 2012 season, league sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

No team has made a significant run yet at Wallace, and it is not expected that one will, sources told Schefter.

Last month, sources told ESPN.com's John Clayton that the Steelers had made a one-year offer to Wallace worth a first-round tender -- meaning any team signing Wallace to an offer sheet would have to part with a first-round pick.

If Wallace does not sign his tender -- worth a reported $2.7 million -- by June 15, the Steelers can reduce it to 110 percent of last year's salary and still retain his rights.

Steelers team president Art Rooney II has said the team wants to sign Wallace to a multiyear contract.

Last month, The Sacramento Bee reported that the San Francisco 49ers inquired about Wallace during the first week of free agency, but did not pursue him because he was seeking a contract in excess of the eight-year, $120 million contract Larry Fitzgerald signed with the Arizona Cardinals.

Wallace caught 72 passes for 1,193 yards and eight passing touchdowns last season, all team highs. In three seasons, he has 171 catches for 3,206 yards and 24 TDs.

Information from ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter and ESPN.com AFC North writer Jamison Hensley was used in this report.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7831785/offers-mike-wallace-pittsburgh-steelers-not-expected-sources-say