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pancake
04-28-2012, 06:33 PM
This is from a paper stand point, because it will take a few years to know how we did, but lets have a little fun with it right now.

pancake
04-28-2012, 06:36 PM
I love doing poll questions... lol

casteeler
04-28-2012, 06:43 PM
An A- or B+
Needed offensive linemen- Got 2 of the best
Needed a LB- Got a good one
Needed D line - yes sir
Nice to Bolster the WR spot and a tight end .

Would to have been more than exited to Pick up a CB but you can't always get what ya want

JCPsteelers
04-28-2012, 06:51 PM
Good draft. I like it a little more than last year's which I was very high on.

pancake
04-28-2012, 06:52 PM
I think the first 4 picks make it an A+, even though I am luke warm on the 3rd round ILB.

Blackout
04-28-2012, 06:57 PM
"Best draft in 20 years. " Alright which 2 of you voted this? :D

Kingmagyar
04-28-2012, 07:42 PM
I give it an A only because the last two picks took the A+ away. I think the last two picks are really bad players. And I'm not complaining because this draft is great! 3 guys could end up being pro-bowl players from this draft easy. (Decastro, Adams, Ta'amu)

We didn't get starters at every pick but we did get contributors that will win games. The Steelers can incorporate a lot of sub packages with Spence and Rainey that can cause a lot of havic out there.

They seem to be developing WRs well enough for Toney Clemons to grow and succeed.

TE David Paulson has some great hands and will only get stronger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4RAZASJumA

and lol look for a personal foul by Vontaze Burfect at :22 seconds in, and watch the one handed catch at 2:36

Hawaii 5-0
04-28-2012, 08:37 PM
Colbert & Tomlin on the 2012 Draft


KC: Thanks everybody for sticking around for the conclusion of the 2012 Draft. We feel very good about the nine guys that we added. They all unfolded pretty well for us, really the last three days unfolded very well for us. We got a lot of players that we had targeted. Every player we picked, we liked. We didn’t think we reached for anybody. Again, we got everybody where we felt very comfortable taking them. We already talked exclusively about David DeCastro, and we talked about Mike Adams yesterday. Coach Tomlin and I didn’t get to talk about Sean Spence. He’s a very instinctive, fast and tough linebacker that can really find the ball and get to it. He is exciting. Alameda Ta’amu is a big, strong and physical nose tackle. We traded up to get him. We felt that there wasn’t a lot of depth at that position. We thought if we didn’t make the move, there was a good chance we weren’t going to get him, so we decided to give up the sixth-round pick to move up to the fourth round and get him. Having all the compensatory picks allowed us the freedom to do that. Chris Rainey is an exciting player. He is a small guy but when you watch him run against SEC competition, he was really impressive. He doesn’t run people over but week-in-and-week-out the kid showed up in probably one of the toughest conferences in the country as a running back. In addition to that, he can do punt returns and kick returns. Coach Haley spoke to you guys about his utilization. He is going to be a very exciting player for us. Toney Clemons, a local kid from Valley High School, was an excellent player out of Valley. He started off at the University of Michigan. He spent two years there but he really didn’t fit in to what they were doing offensively, so he transferred to the University of Colorado. He got on the field this year as a starter and did some really impressive things. He has good size and he’s fast. He’s athletic and he has a gym rat-type of personality. He was one of our visits. He was not a combine guy. We are excited about what he can bring to the table. David Paulson is kind of a do-it-all tight end. He lines up on the line of scrimmage as an H-back. He led blocks sometimes from the backfield. He has a gym rat-type of personality. The kid appears to love football. He is an interesting guy. Terrence Frederick, the cornerback from Texas A&M, is a quicker than fast guy. He’s had pretty good production. He’s been a three-year starter. He has a chance to contribute at a position where we feel we could use some depth and competition. Kelvin Beachum is an interesting guy. He was the starting left tackle for Southern Methodist. He probably doesn’t have prototypical tackle size. He’s just under six-foot-three, 305. We had him in for a visit. He did go to the combine. This is a kid that could have some position flexibility, even though he has been a left tackle. We know he can play tackle but he really has guard size, and he really has a center’s intelligence. This kid is extremely bright. He is actually on the board of trustees, as a student, at Southern Methodist. He is viewed as a team leader. Right now, the scouts and coaches are in the process of signing free agents. We will probably sign in the neighborhood of 10 guys, and we will go from there.

You waited for the seventh round to fill the wide receiver roster spot.
KC: We felt we addressed it when it was necessary. At other positions, we like those players. There was a gap in between five and seven. There were a lot of players picked in between there. We’re excited. We think Tony Clemons has a chance to compete for that spot. We were really happy to get him where we got him.

Does he have anyone to compete with for the roster spot?
KC: He’s got a lot of guys to compete with. They’re already here. There are several guys that are in the building already. Kids from last year’s draft class that we signed in the winter. Nobody’s a shoe-in of course. He’ll have to work to earn his spot.
MT: Kevin was pretty clear that we’re still capable of working potentially in free-agency. I don’t think we’ve laid any of these positional things to bed. What we seek, of course, is competition.

Is Clemons unique because he has size and speed?
KC: He’s really athletic. That was the thing that you don’t see. A lot of times you see big guys, you see sometimes they are big, strong guys and they aren’t the fastest or most fluid. This kid can make some small-man catches, and some small-man runs after the catches. When he visited us we were all impressed with his upbeat personality, wanting to do anything he could on the football field. I think he’ll be able to help if he makes the team as a special teams contributor. He’s caught punts before, he’s done some kick-off returns, but with his size and his speed and his personality, he might be able to help on the coverage teams as well.

Clemons believes his last five games were critical to get on the radar for the draft.
MT: Within that, if you look at the last three games, a couple of games specifically: Southern Cal and Utah, he’s competitive and it jumps off the screen at you. He made some combat catches, some competitive throws down field with DBs in position. He was very physical in the perimeter blocking game, with the wide receivers scheme, bubbles and so forth. I think the thing that stands out is he is a gym rat, he is competitive, and those things, of course, you value in seven.
KC: His first year there he had a red shirt after the transfer, then the next year the coach was fired midway through the season, so he gets to a new staff his senior year. As the year went on, they grew comfortable with him and he started to show what he can do.

Do you have any concerns with Mike Adams’ issues?
MT: I wasn’t in here, but I think Kevin did a nice job of giving you a synopsis of our approach to the situation. What he told you was very accurate. The kid wanted to meet with us, we granted him that, and he told us the situation. We told him at that point that he was off of our board because that’s how we do business. We did provide him an opportunity within some stipulations to maybe work himself back into good graces. I think the thing that got us to the level of comfort is not that meeting or the request for that meeting, but what happened after that meeting in terms of him meeting some things that we wanted him to meet. We did get to a level of comfort that was acceptable for us in order to take him. But again, what Kevin said again is very true. “Convinced” is another word. We’ll just live day by day. Obviously he’s a very talented young man. Young people make mistakes. We’re satisfied enough that we’re able to move forward at this juncture.
How do you feel about having young guys on the offensive line?
MT: We’ve got youth at every position. That’s the nature of this thing. The guys that are ready and capable of playing will play, the guys that aren’t, won’t.

Re: Amount of depth on offensive line:
MT: We have youth at every position. That’s the nature of this thing. The guys that are ready and capable of playing will play and the guys that aren’t wont.

Will you line DeCastro up with the first team this spring?
MT: We’ll play it by ear. Obviously he will be with the first team in our rookie mini-camp. We’ll see how the rookie mini-camp goes.

How good can your offensive line be down the road?
KC: The higher you pick the greater the expectation is by everybody, us included. It was no grand design, that’s just how these drafts work. Last year, Cameron Heyward was the best player for us. We don’t go into it every year looking for specific sides of the ball or anything like that. When you look at the breakdown of this group, there are two offensive guys, two defensive guys, a special teams guy for sure in Rainey and the other four guys are just picking and hoping that there is something in these kids that proves they deserve a roster spot. Really, this year we got three young offensive linemen, so add to that mix and see how it shapes out. You want to get younger and provide competition at every position, but sometimes it breaks where there are more on one side or one position. It really isn’t by design; it’s just how this class looks like.

Was getting all of your needs in this draft just circumstance?
KC: It is because when you put a draft board together you are just hoping and you know where you want to add some youth and competition. You let the board dictate when it’s going to be available and sometimes it fits together. When we drafted these players, nobody moved from last Tuesday till today. It wasn’t like we shifted anybody after a certain pick. In a move situation, there were only four or five nose tackle types that were available and he was the last man standing. We felt that when you look at that and you look at what’s behind him, sometimes you have to trade up to secure him. We didn’t feel that we reached for him, but we knew behind him there probably weren’t a lot of options. We wanted to secure him and we did.

How unique is it when everything breaks the way it did in this draft?
KC: If it broke and these kids help us win a Super Bowl, then it was great.
MT: It doesn’t feel any different than it did last year.
KC: Last year we felt Cameron, Gilbert and the two young corners that it broke pretty good for us too.

Are there any character concerns with Chris Rainey?
KC: Chris Rainey, everybody knows about the texting situation and we were well aware of it as well. We had some unique background on this kid because of his relationship with the Pouncey family. Knowing Maurkice’s mother and father, for them to take a kid in and provide him a home in high school said a lot to us. Those people are great folks they provided a great home for their own children. For them to endorse this kid by letting him live with them for part of his high school career while he went to Lakeland High School as the Pouncey brothers did. It said something to us. Of course Maurkice spoke highly of him as well, but he is a teammate and a friend, so we took that with a grain-of-salt even though we trust his opinion. When his family reached out to provide this kid with an opportunity and he takes that opportunity to go on and graduate, that says something to us.

You went away with the standard operating procedures of the past with picking Mike Adams. What changed that?
KC: That was another unique one. We have certain criteria, when that criteria isn’t met we’re going to take you off our board. Never in my 28 years have I had a player solicit a face-to-face meeting to explain the situation, and us be the only team that he did that with. We said okay come on in, we have nothing to lose. He will just be one of our visits. He explained the situation and we explained our thoughts and our feelings and laid it out for him. I told him that you are off our board, this is what you can do to help yourself around the league. Once the league gets this information everybody is going to have the same reaction that we just had. They don’t know, like I said yesterday, we don’t get that information until about a week before the draft. We were trying to help the kid be proactive and save his chance to get drafted. We said oh by the way if you do these things we’ll see where it goes. He did them and we are where we are today. We’ll see where it goes from here, we don’t know. If it doesn’t work it is on me because I endorsed it.

Do you stay on a kid like this, or do you have the veterans watch him?
MT: All of the above, not only a kid like this but all of the kids. We are not going to assume anything. These are young kids making a significant transition. We are not going to label or put any particular kid in a box. We are not going to make any assumptions regarding any of them, they are all going to need assistance in terms of acclimating themselves to professional football and what is expected of them and how they live.

Does Sean Spence fit in with Timmons in the inside role?
MT: We haven’t written in ink at this juncture. We are just getting to know these people and getting them acclimated to what we do. He’s a sharp kid. We are going to teach him the inside linebacker position, both positions, and see where that leads us. We value position flexibility. We did similar things a few years ago with Sly. We’ll do what puts us in the best position to play the most viable men.

Is he a nickel type linebacker?
MT: He’s a linebacker.

Re: Sean Spence:
MT: He’s got very quick see-to-do. If you go down to Mobile like Kevin and I did, when you watch a 9-on-7 drill the ball snaps and he is the first guy to move on the defensive side of the ball. You watch his tape, the guys read and react is exceptional. That helps him compensate for some of the deficiencies he has in size and length. He is aggressive and he’s tough. He is smart and a four-year starter down at the University of Miami. And he encompasses a lot of football character things that we value.

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Colbert--Tomlin-on-the-2012-Draft/c8e4a649-d77a-48a2-9bcf-dc30353978ea

tucker6
04-28-2012, 08:48 PM
I give it an A only because the last two picks took the A+ away. I think the last two picks are really bad players. And I'm not complaining because this draft is great! 3 guys could end up being pro-bowl players from this draft easy. (Decastro, Adams, Ta'amu)

We didn't get starters at every pick but we did get contributors that will win games. The Steelers can incorporate a lot of sub packages with Spence and Rainey that can cause a lot of havic out there.

They seem to be developing WRs well enough for Toney Clemons to grow and succeed.

TE David Paulson has some great hands and will only get stronger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4RAZASJumA

and lol look for a personal foul by Vontaze Burfect at :22 seconds in, and watch the one handed catch at 2:36

The last two picks in the 7th round are meaningless in almost every draft criteria and should have no bearing on any rating. If you had it an A+, it should still be an A+. There's a reason guys are taken in the 7th, i.e. they are not world beaters.

Kingmagyar
04-28-2012, 09:29 PM
The last two picks in the 7th round are meaningless in almost every draft criteria and should have no bearing on any rating. If you had it an A+, it should still be an A+. There's a reason guys are taken in the 7th, i.e. they are not world beaters.

OK I'll grade on a curve. A+ and it really was the most fun I've ever had watching a draft. It was nice to see so many things go the Steelers way.

UltimateBengal
04-28-2012, 09:41 PM
Not that any of you care what a Bengals fan thinks, but I will tell you anyway!:popcorn:

I think you guys had a very nice draft and certainly addressed important needs. Overall I give the Steelers an A-. It would be a solid A if not for Mike Adams. I'm not concerned about the off the field issues. He's immature, made mistakes and is owning up to and addressing them. As someone who has seen every single snap he played at OSU, the bigger concern is on the field. Really, his placement on the line will be critical. I am not familiar with the concerns regarding your LT vs RT, but Adams will be a liability if he plays LT in the pros. As a RT, it's a different story. He has a chance, with a good year of coaching to become a nice RT. IMO, he will be a serviceable player, but will struggle at times from a physical standpoint.

That being said, I love the DeCastro pick! Although I hate that we passed on him, I am an even bigger Zeitler fan so I ended up happy. I think both teams got outstanding guards that will fit what they do nicely for the next decade.

Congrats on an outstanding draft!:drink:

Bayz101
04-28-2012, 09:43 PM
Great draft. Top 5 in the last 20 years, best in the last 5, in my opinion. A+

Bayz101
04-28-2012, 09:45 PM
Not that any of care what a Bengals fan thinks, but I will tell you anyway!:popcorn:

I think you guys had a very nice draft and certainly addressed important needs. Overall I give the Steelers an A-. It would be a solid A if not for Mike Adams. I'm not concerned about the off the field issues. He's immature, made mistakes and is owning up to and addressing them. As someone who has seen every single snap he played at OSU, the bigger concern is on the field. Really, his placement on the line will be critical. I am not familiar with the concerns regarding your LT vs RT, but Adams will be a liability if he plays LT in the pros. As a RT, it's a different story. He has a chance, with a good year of coaching to become a nice RT. IMO, he will be a serviceable player, but will struggle at times from a physical standpoint.

That being said, I love the DeCastro pick! Although I hate that we passed on him, I am an even bigger Zeitler fan so I ended up happy. I think both teams got outstanding guards that will fit what they do nicely for the next decade.

Congrats on an outstanding draft!:drink:

As a Buckeyes fan, I have to agree with everything here, and thanks for posting! :drink::

sharkweek
04-28-2012, 10:17 PM
looks like we're the happiest fanbase with our team's draft, Steelers are the only team with an overall A grade so far: http://fanballot.nfl.com/

StevieRayVol
04-29-2012, 12:53 AM
Best draft since we got Woodson, Hardy Nickerson, Thomas Everett, and wasn't Greg Lloyd in that draft as well?...Finally addressed our offensive line problems. With DeCastro and Adams along with Pouncey and Gilbert...We have some great young talent to protect Ben. In Spence I think people get too caught up in "COMBINE NUMBERS". Didn't Farrior play at about 215-220 last year? How big is Larry Foote? This kid while not as tall as Farrior weighs more and is younger and faster. Same thing with Foote and his linebacker coach at Miami, Michael Barrow said "HE HAS PEYTON MANNING LIKE" film study. A real student of the game.From what I have read on the Miami boards he playing for Randy Shannon for 3 years, he didn't have the proper weight training, learning to eat healthy instruction. He will only get bigger and stronger. The Big Nose tackle will back up Hampton, Rainey is a flyer. Watched him for years down at Florida. Dude can flat out run. Think of him instead of Melwede Moore coming out of the backfield and catching those third down passes from Ben. Though not any every down type of back, think Dexter McCluster. And along with free agent Marquise Maze our return game just got better.

Love this draft. Love the Steelers. Here's hoping we feel our needs at Polo stays healthy at Safety. Because if everything pans out Ben at 30 is suddenly our OLDEST player on offense. Can you all say "GO STEELERS"!:tt04:

Hawaii 5-0
04-29-2012, 01:40 AM
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Pittsburgh Steelers (Last Year: 12-4)

2012 NFL Draft Individual Grades:

24. David DeCastro, G, Stanford: A+ Grade
Unbelievable. The Steelers somehow land a guy who could be the top guard in the NFL over the next decade. David DeCastro could have gone as high as No. 11. It's really amazing how smart organizations like Pittsburgh can take advantage of dumb teams making stupid decisions year after year. This is the best pick of the 2012 NFL Draft thus far.

56. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State: A Grade
Mike Adams wouldn't be good on most teams. He has work ethic issues and has had some problems off the field. However, going to a strong locker room like Pittsburgh's is the best thing that could have happened to him. He's talented - he would have been taken in the first round if he were clean - and the Steelers will get the most out of him. He fills a big need at tackle. Ben Roethlisberger has to be thrilled right now.

86. Sean Spence, OLB, Miami: C Grade
I loved Pittsburgh's first two picks, but I don't quite understand this one. Sean Spence is talented and should have been picked a bit earlier than this, but I don't get how he fits into the Steelers' 3-4 defense. He's more of a Cover-2 outside linebacker. I trust the Steelers though, so it would't surprise me if this pick panned out.

109. Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington: A+ Grade
Fantastic pick. Alameda Ta'amu was once considered a first-round prospect, but his true value was in Round 2-3. Getting him here in Round 4 is a steal, and the Steelers are filling a huge need in the process. They had to find a nose tackle to eventually take over for Casey Hampton.

159. Chris Rainey, RB/KR, Florida: B+ Grade
Chris Rainey can go the distance on any play. The Steelers haven't had someone like that in their backfield since Willie Parker. They still need to obtain another running back because of Rashard Mendenhall's injury.

231. Toney Clemons, WR, Colorado: B- Grade
Toney Clemons was going to be a priority UDFA, but the Steelers could have made a better selection. It's Round 7 though, so it's not a big deal.

240. David Paulson, TE, Oregon: B- Grade
The Steelers signed Leonard Pope, but they apparently aren't done with their tight ends. This doesn't fill a need, but it's the right range for David Paulson.

246. Terrence Frederick, DT, Texas A&M: B Grade
The Steelers haven't addressed defensive line depth yet. Terrence Frederick was a borderline draftable prospect, so this is pick makes sense.

248. Kelvin Beachum, G, SMU: B Grade
More offensive line depth, which is something the Steelers needed. Kelvin Beachum would have been a priority UDFA, so Pittsburgh is making sure it landed him before anyone else did.

http://www.walterfootball.com/offseason2012pit.php

StevieRayVol
04-29-2012, 01:45 AM
With the signing of Marquize Maze to pair with Chris Rainey our return game just got better plus I don't like the idea of Antonio Brown playing on special teams.

tony hipchest
04-29-2012, 02:17 AM
mike mayock loves the steelers draft and cites it when asked who did the best. brian billick agrees and gives it an A+.

one thing is certain... i cant recall any draft where the mediots have been giving the steelers such high praise. even when weve had dam good drafts, there are always other teams people are talking about as having the "best".

we are in that discussion this year which is impressive being that we are widely regarded as one of the best drafting teams that builds through the draft year in and year out.

i attribute this to not only our great ownership, FO, and head coach (who is really coming into his own) but most importantly shit canning arians. :chuckle:

Blackout
04-29-2012, 02:38 AM
I'm starting to like Tomlin more and more every year.

Hawaii 5-0
04-29-2012, 10:26 PM
Draft analyst impressed with Steelers’ picks

By Scott Brown
Tribune-Review

Sunday, April 29, 2012

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Dan Shonka doesn’t assign letter grades to drafts.

But the former NFL scout couldn’t get the superlatives out fast enough when evaluating how the Steelers did in the annual player selection process that concluded Saturday night.

“I think it’s an excellent draft,” said Shonka, the general manager of Ourlads NFL Scouting Services. “If they were calling roll, who had the best draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers would come up real quick. You look at their draft and say, ‘This guy is a Steeler.’ ”

Shonka said guard David DeCastro, the Steelers’ first-round pick, will “play in six or seven Pro Bowls.” And he may have liked the Steelers’ fourth-round pick as much he did the selection of DeCastro.

Shonka had rated Alameda Ta’amu the best true nose tackle in the draft, and he said the former Washington standout is suited for the grunt work required of tackles in the Steelers’ defense.

“He can drive a center back and he’s a perfect team guy,” Shonka said. “He could have easily gone in the second round. I don’t know why he lasted until the fourth round.”

Shonka said the Steelers did as well at the end of the draft as they did in the early parts of it. He said Terrence Frederick, the third of four seventh-round picks the Steelers made Saturday, is an “athletic cornerback” who could be a surprise.

Shonka said SMU offensive tackle/guard Kelvin Beachum was a better college player than teammate Josh LeRibeus, and the Washington Redskins picked LeRibeus, a guard, in the third round.

As effusive as Shonka and other analysts have been about the Steelers’ haul — they have gotten solid to rave reviews across the board — the draft, like a weather forecast, is an exercise in educated guessing.

The Steelers dispelled any notions that they have overlooked or even neglected the offensive line in past years.

The Steelers used three of their nine picks this year on offensive linemen. They have addressed the line with more than a fifth of the draft picks they have made since 2007, general manager Kevin Colbert and coach Mike Tomlin’s first year together.

DeCastro looks like an immediate starter though Tomlin didn’t tip his hand, saying with a smile that the former Stanford All-American will line up with the first team Friday when the Steelers commence rookie minicamp.

Shonka said second-round pick Mike Adams is a future starter at left or right tackle if he steers clear of off-the-field issues. Adams may have been the second-best offensive tackle in the draft, Shonka said, and he slid to the Steelers because of character concerns.

DeCastro and Adams give offensive line coach Sean Kugler options and depth. He didn’t have much of either in 2011 when injuries forced the Steelers to use 25 different offensive line combinations, the most in the NFL.

Kugler has had to cobble together offensive lines his first two seasons with the Steelers, and he could finally enjoy some stability if DeCastro and Adams make a successful transition from college to the NFL.

“Realistically, I don’t want moving parts,” Kugler said. “It has been more of a necessity for us to have moving parts. We love to have guys at five stable positions and keep them there. We’ll get the right five and see where we go from there.”

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