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05-23-2012, 02:25 AM
Kovacevic: Get over it, Ben

By Dejan Kovacevic - Tribune-Review
Wednesday, May 23, 2012

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Ben Roethlisberger's disposition seemed as sunny as the skies over the Steelers' South Side fields Tuesday morning. It was the opening of organized team activities, and he looked as loose and lively in drills - "I've lost a few pounds," he explained - as he did in animatedly engaging his teammates.

Big Ben, bundle of joy.

Right up until someone brought up the playbook.

And even then, through media questioning of how the franchise quarterback is handling new offensive coordinator Todd Haley's wholly new playbook, Roethlisberger at least went with a grin-and-bear-it approach.

I asked if he and Haley are on the same page yet.

"Well, that's the goal," Roethlisberger replied with a broad smile. "I'm going to put in extra work to learn his offense and try to get there."

Does he like what he's seen of the plays so far?

"Yeah, sure," he came back, this time with a slight shrug. "It's kind of early to see too much."

How about this OTA opener?

"It was frustrating. It gets frustrating at times. But we'll keep learning."

Roethlisberger's still smiling all this time, by the way.

Will it be hard to stay in the pocket, as Mike Tomlin and the coaches are urging him?

"Sure, yeah, I mean, whatever. I'm supposed to get rid of the ball, stay in the pocket, not take hits ... so, I guess I better learn where the protections are coming from so I don't get hit."

More laughter.

There was a lot more of this, too. And with each passing answer, it became that much more transparent that Roethlisberger has a long way to go to accept how the Steelers treated him this offseason.

I don't blame him.

First, team president Art Rooney publicly stated that Roethlisberger needed to "tweak" his game, meaning to scramble a lot less and stay healthy.

Think Robert Kraft suggests positional philosophy to Tom Brady?

Next, Rooney and Tomlin fired Bruce Arians, Roethlisberger's offensive coordinator of five years, and stunned pretty much everyone. Including Roethlisberger.

Think the Packers pull that with Aaron Rodgers?

Finally, Tomlin hired Haley, also without Roethlisberger's input, and is implementing a brand new offense.

Think Peyton Manning didn't pack his own playbook when he flew off to Denver?

In modern professional sports, the franchise players do have some say. We don't have to like it. The Steelers don't have to like it. But it's the way things work now, with all the money and leverage elite athletes have.

Roethlisberger, a two-time Super Bowl champion, has achieved far too much in Pittsburgh to have been toyed with this way. He has every right to feel disillusioned by how this winter played out.

But he also needs to get over it. Like today.

A week ago, Roethlisberger was asked in a radio interview if the new offense might offer a chance to refresh or refocus. Roethlisberger's response: "Uhhhh ... I think Coach really wants to challenge us. Me, maybe, in particular. I think he felt like I was real comfortable with the old offense, which ... I don't know why that's a bad thing. But I'm not the head coach."

No, Roethlisberger is not. Moreover, he's not about to undo any of this, either with comments like that or even by quietly taking the field with a chip on the shoulder. Tomlin isn't about to cede control to his players. Arians isn't coming back. Haley isn't rewriting his playbook.

Time to cope.

Besides, by all accounts, including that of Roethlisberger himself yesterday, the hardest part of adjusting to Haley's playbook hasn't been the offense. It's been language.

"I don't think it's going to look all that different once we're doing it," Roethlisberger said. "It's just a matter of getting used to the terminology."

Again, time to cope.

Roethlisberger's teammates sound confident he'll do exactly that.

"From a quarterback's perspective, it's tough changing offenses," wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery said. "I saw Brett Favre go through it when he got to the Jets. He'd been doing one thing his entire career, and what we were doing, the terminology, it was like a foreign language to him."

That was with Favre arriving late in training camp of 2008.

"It's always easier for a coordinator to just come in and implement their own stuff," Cotchery continued. "I understand it. We all understand it. We just have to embrace the change."

In closing my interview with Roethlisberger, I couldn't help but ask if he'd lost weight primarily to show the Steelers he can still scramble.

"Nope," he replied. "Just trying to stay healthy. I'm getting old."

More laughter.

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/1836198-85/roethlisberger-think-haley-offense-playbook-steelers-stay-tomlin-ben-coordinator

Bayz101
05-23-2012, 03:43 AM
:doh:

Is it pre-season yet?

OX1947
05-23-2012, 03:57 AM
I wish i didnt have to hear anything involving Big Ben before or after a game. Whether he is being interviewed, whether he is in a bathroom stall getting his weasel waxed, or whether some hack bitches about him. Big Ben is the most irritating athlete ever in the 3 major sports teams i follow.

lloydwoodson
05-23-2012, 04:06 AM
:coffee: Honestly this is such a hacknyed piece of writing that I doubt many will find this irritating at all. Ben just needs to watch out for the countless reporters trying to lead him into offering incendiary remarks. This seems more like a summary of quotes other reporters have solicited.

Millers the sh!t
05-23-2012, 04:07 AM
3rd grade teacher: alright class, time to break out your math books cause this year we are learning arithmetic.

Ben: but I just learned addition and subtraction and I'm really good at it....

3rd grade teacher: sorry Ben but this stuff is gonna help you so much more in life and make you a smarter and more valuable person to society.

Ben: this sucks, I'm mad. When's lunch, gym, and recess?

Told you guys Bens a selfish simpleton. Anyone else want to debate me again on this topic?

Rick5895
05-23-2012, 04:43 AM
Let the Ben bashing begin. Geez, the media manipulation of this whole thing is blowing it way out of proportion. What we see on the news shows and on the little video snippets are edited, they are either going to be edited to make it look like Ben is unhappy with the new scheme of things or it is going to look like he is on board 100%.

Let's wait until we are well under way on the season before we start calling him a "selfish simpleton" just because the media manipulates a couple of comments he makes. If the so called "sulking act" we are being lead to believe by the media is happening and our O is worse off then we can all start with the "attacks" until then lets take it all for what it's worth, which is basically nothing at this point.

Bayz101
05-23-2012, 05:00 AM
3rd grade teacher: alright class, time to break out your math books cause this year we are learning arithmetic.

Ben: but I just learned addition and subtraction and I'm really good at it....

3rd grade teacher: sorry Ben but this stuff is gonna help you so much more in life and make you a smarter and more valuable person to society.

Ben: this sucks, I'm mad. When's lunch, gym, and recess?

Told you guys Bens a selfish simpleton. Anyone else want to debate me again on this topic?

I'd debate you on it if it made any sense at all. Ben doesn't need to get over it, YOU need to get over it. Where there's a topic criticizing Roethlisberger, you're there in a heartbeat.

:troll:

TRH
05-23-2012, 08:09 AM
If i was Ben, i would not grant this IDIOT any more interviews.

Horrible piece of writing. Does this guy think he's a psychologist or something?? The answer's seemed just fine to me...but no...this guy tries to super-duper-over-analyze everything he said, twist his words, and then try to dictate what was said.
Did i mention this guy SUCKS as a "writer" ?

IowaSteeler927
05-23-2012, 08:37 AM
3rd grade teacher: alright class, time to break out your math books cause this year we are learning arithmetic.

Ben: but I just learned addition and subtraction and I'm really good at it....

3rd grade teacher: sorry Ben but this stuff is gonna help you so much more in life and make you a smarter and more valuable person to society.

Ben: this sucks, I'm mad. When's lunch, gym, and recess?

Told you guys Bens a selfish simpleton. Anyone else want to debate me again on this topic?

That "selfish simpleton" has helped this team to two Super Bowl titles. He constantly gets bombarded by the media looking to make him look bad to get a story. Things he says are always getting blown out of proportion. The Ben haters such as yourself are the ones that need to get over it. He's part of this team and he's entitled to his opinion.

steelax04
05-23-2012, 10:14 AM
Or it may just be the fact that Ben is tired of all the bullshit that the media is trying to stir up about this new offense and when the questions start flying about it, he stops caring.

Steelerfreak58
05-23-2012, 10:42 AM
How many times is he asked the same questions from different reporters every day? Day in and day out? He is probably tired of talking about it.

Steelers>NFL
05-23-2012, 10:54 AM
How many times is he asked the same questions from different reporters every day? Day in and day out? He is probably tired of talking about it.



No different than P. Manning being asked day in & day out about his neck & health.

Sixburgher
05-23-2012, 11:18 AM
Told you guys Bens a selfish simpleton.

Coming from a self-professed misogynist and tinfoil hat wearing 9/11 truther, an interesting choice of words, to say the least.

tony hipchest
05-23-2012, 11:37 AM
heres an interesting apologist's spin on bens bitching- he just does it for motivation.

i like kaboly as a writer. he's definitely in the ben/arians can do no wrong camp.

http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/2012/05/23/roethlisberger-is-doing-nothing-more-than-motivating-himself/#.T7zmDNaBw8Y.twitter

Roethlisberger is doing nothing more than motivating himselfMay 23rd, 2012 Over the past two weeks, and including the opening of organized team activities Tuesday, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger took the opportunity to let it be known to whoever was within ear-shot that new offensive coordinator Todd Haley’s playbook isn’t an entry-level course.

I believe that words “Rosetta Stone” were used on a couple of occasions on how he views the Haley playbook.

Translation? It’s pretty doggone tough.

Columnist Dejan Kovacevic had a wonderful piece in today’s Trib opining that the quarterback needs to get over complaining about the complexity of Haley’s playbook.

Kovacevic simply said: “Time to cope.”

Like it or not, but this is how Roethlisberger copes.

Maybe we need him to get over the fact that this isn’t Bruce Arians’ playbook anymore, but, in reality, Roethlisberger need to make it feel like an impossible challenge in order to motivate himself.
Is it strange? Absolutely.

Should he change his ways? Absolutely not.

OX1947
05-23-2012, 11:50 AM
Ben should not do any interviews. He is boring, plain and full of shit. He should play football. If been never spoke, it would be better. 90% of the athletes, actually, should do that. If he had the nuts to tell someone he doesnt care, he should just tell them.

Kingmagyar
05-23-2012, 12:02 PM
What 3 others had to say about the new offense on the first day of OTAs

Antonio Brown "It's been really fun. Coach Haley is doing a really good job of explaining and making it simple and easy for us to understand."

Emanual Sanders "I'm lovin the offense right now. It's based on a lot of play action and getting the ball in guys hands in space so they can make a lot of yards after the catch. I'm looking forward to it."

Maurkice Pouncey "It's going really good. Different verbage but I think everybody is picking up on it and it's going to help us out a lot this year."

That's the kind of quotes that should be coming from Ben. True or not he needs to set an example for the rest and keep everything positive.

Sixburgher
05-23-2012, 12:05 PM
Ben should not do any interviews. He is boring, plain and full of shit. He should play football. If been never spoke, it would be better. 90% of the athletes, actually, should do that. If he had the nuts to tell someone he doesnt care, he should just tell them.

If he did that, then people would bitch about him being "difficult".

Millers the sh!t
05-23-2012, 12:22 PM
I'd debate you on it if it made any sense at all. Ben doesn't need to get over it, YOU need to get over it. Where there's a topic criticizing Roethlisberger, you're there in a heartbeat.

:troll:

Wait till the season starts and You see Haley screaming at Ben on the sidelines for audibling into Arians bubblescreen play.

Ha ha ha..... I'm willing to bet it happens once this season.

Atlanta Dan
05-23-2012, 12:31 PM
What 3 others had to say about the new offense on the first day of OTAs

Antonio Brown "It's been really fun. Coach Haley is doing a really good job of explaining and making it simple and easy for us to understand."

Emanual Sanders "I'm lovin the offense right now. It's based on a lot of play action and getting the ball in guys hands in space so they can make a lot of yards after the catch. I'm looking forward to it."

Maurkice Pouncey "It's going really good. Different verbage but I think everybody is picking up on it and it's going to help us out a lot this year."

That's the kind of quotes that should be coming from Ben. True or not he needs to set an example for the rest and keep everything positive.

The first law of holes is that when you are in one quit digging

Ben tossed out the Rosetta Stone quote and is taking the bait on reiterating how hard the new offense is to learn - it's an off season non-story that will keep getting repeated as long as Ben keeps doubling down on the alleged complexity of Haley's
playbook

God forbid Ben opens the season in Denver like he did in Baltimore last year - if that happens all the post-game questions to Haley and Ben will focus on whether the game plan needs to be dumbed down

Fire Arians
05-23-2012, 12:47 PM
another ANALyst looking too much into things. ben was probably getting irritated from him asking stupid questions

tanda10506
05-23-2012, 02:08 PM
I'd debate you on it if it made any sense at all. Ben doesn't need to get over it, YOU need to get over it. Where there's a topic criticizing Roethlisberger, you're there in a heartbeat.

This^. When you go to 3 SB's and win 2 and then some new guy who has never won a damn thing comes in and wants to change everything there will be skeptisism and rightfully so. It's pretty obvious that they are already practicing this new offense and will try to have it mastered by the time they hit the field week 1 and that's all that matters. So many were saying that the Steelers don't owe Ben anything and that he is just a player and needs to just do what he's told but when you make the plays that Ben does and you win 2 SB's and go to a 3rd you do deserve input. If Polamalu or Ben miss the '05, '08, or 2010 seasons then we don't make it to the SB that year. If Ben wasn't on this team we would still have 4 rings and Dallas would be the Lord of the Rings. The OC had to change, any fan with common sense knew that, and I think Ben may have been to close to the forest to see the trees. As for him changing his "style of play", that's up to the O line. Ben gets out of the pocket often (often resulting in a big play) but it's not because he feels like running around, it's because people are chasing him. There are plenty of us that make that point and it gets tiring having to make it all the time, imagine how tired Ben is of tryimg to make that point WHILE not bashing his O line. Bottom line is Dallas is still the all time SB champs if we didn't have Ben for the past 7 years, so before you bash our stupid, ignorant, selfish QB why don't you think of where we would be without him and realize that a little work place greivance is not that big of a deal in the off season.

Bayz101
05-23-2012, 02:52 PM
Wait till the season starts and You see Haley screaming at Ben on the sidelines for audibling into Arians bubblescreen play.

Ha ha ha..... I'm willing to bet it happens once this season.

What ever floats your boat :hunch:

Need a cigarette?

TheVet
05-23-2012, 03:00 PM
I just had a vision of the future: The retooled OL is a monster, Haley's scheme is excellent, everybody buys in, and they all execute the plays to perfection. Except for one problem: Ben doesn't know the offense, so he just runs around trying to make something happen. Net/net, everything looks the same as the last five years.
:rofl:

Just kidding, please don't shoot. My hopes are high for this offense, and for this great QB who has been carrying our team.

On a more serious note, this quote sums it all up:
Ben gets out of the pocket often (often resulting in a big
play) but it's not because he feels like running around, it's because people are chasing him.

Fire Arians
05-23-2012, 03:05 PM
I just had a vision of the future: The retooled OL is a monster, Haley's scheme is excellent, everybody buys in, and they all execute the plays to perfection. Except for one problem: Ben doesn't know the offense, so he just runs around trying to make something happen. Net/net, everything looks the same as the last five years.
:rofl:

Just kidding, please don't shoot. My hopes are high for this offense, and for this great QB who has been carrying our team.

On a more serious note, this quote sums it all up:

i have a feeling we're going to call a lot more running plays. we may be starting a very young OL and the best way to get them situated is to keep it simple at first and pound the rock. with colon-pouncey-decastro on the interior line, we are very capable of that. it may look a lot like our 2005 offense where we're dangerous through the air, but still a run-first team (which i have no problem with really). just my own prediction, but makes sense when most of the starters on the line are still relatively new to the NFL

OX1947
05-23-2012, 03:07 PM
If he did that, then people would bitch about him being "difficult".

(Bleep) people. He is here to play football, not be a charity speaker. Better to be difficult and real, then a fake and waste of time.

Bayz101
05-23-2012, 03:08 PM
i have a feeling we're going to call a lot more running plays. we may be starting a very young OL and the best way to get them situated is to keep it simple at first and pound the rock. with colon-pouncey-decastro on the interior line, we are very capable of that. it may look a lot like our 2005 offense where we're dangerous through the air, but still a run-first team.

I don't care if we run it all the time and Ben throws one touchdown all season. A superbowl is all that matters, and contention is a given, year in and year out.

Riddle_Of_Steel
05-23-2012, 03:57 PM
Stupid, stupid article.

On the one hand, the writer spends three or four paragraphs pointing out how Ben got screwed because neither Peyton Manning, nor Tom brady, nor Aaron Rodgers ever had to put up with their respective owners changing the playbook on them.

Then, in almost the same breath, he is saying Ben needs to get over it.

Get over what? All I see in the article is Ben showing up to OTA's (which most veterans do not do) with a smile on his face and saying they are learning the offense. He isn't complaining, or moaning about it. is he happy they got rid of his buddy Arians? No-- who would be? But is he being the obstuse and resistive bastid most of these articles are trying to manufacture? No.

The season cannot begin soon enough...

steelfury02
05-23-2012, 04:14 PM
A solid win at Denver will calm some fears.

That is all.

Steelersfan87
05-23-2012, 04:46 PM
I'm surprised this piece came from Kovacevic; I generally find him to be the most reasonable writer at the Tribune-Review.

Ricco Suavez
05-23-2012, 09:10 PM
More B.S. from the media. Some reporters (makes me gag to call most of them reporters, more like twisters of the spoken word) just continue to try and make this more than it is. I constantly read here that Ben "should get over it" well how in the hell can you when you are constantly being probed for a response that they hopes fuels an imaginary fire. I personally cannot wait for this season to start, but heaven help if we start slow, cause then it will be our new OC's fault (again) or its Ben's fault (again) or the lack of respect either or neither of the men have for each other, (what they want to cook up now).

Wallace108
05-23-2012, 10:05 PM
The only people who think that Ben is being unfairly criticized by the media are Steelers fans. I wonder if some of you would have the same opinion if we were talking about Brady or Flacco instead of Ben. :noidea:

Kingmagyar
05-24-2012, 08:39 AM
The reason this is an issue is Ben keeps talking about it. If he toes the company line like the quotes from others I posted above this issue would die. So what the article is saying is shut up and toe the company line because your just putting excuses out there for failure and if you say them often enough some teammates may begin to feel the same way. Would a General or Colonel tell all his men before going into a battle the rifles are difficult and frustrating and your frustrated. Part of being a leader is to lie when you have to. Time to start telling lies Ben, tell enough of them and you may actually start believing them yourself and embrace the new offense.

Bayz101
05-24-2012, 08:55 AM
The only people who think that Ben is being unfairly criticized by the media are Steelers fans. I wonder if some of you would have the same opinion if we were talking about Brady or Flacco instead of Ben. :noidea:

No, because:

1. Brady is gay.
2. Flacco is the best QB in the NFL

:hunch:

Wallace108
05-24-2012, 08:59 AM
The reason this is an issue is Ben keeps talking about it. If he toes the company line like the quotes from others I posted above this issue would die. So what the article is saying is shut up and toe the company line because your just putting excuses out there for failure and if you say them often enough some teammates may begin to feel the same way. Would a General or Colonel tell all his men before going into a battle the rifles are difficult and frustrating and your frustrated. Part of being a leader is to lie when you have to. Time to start telling lies Ben, tell enough of them and you may actually start believing them yourself and embrace the new offense.

Exactly.

After the Georgia incident, Ben acknowledged that he hadn't been a good leader and teammate, and he promised to do better in both areas. But after Arians was let go, Ben hasn't been a good leader. For a coach to be successful, the players have to buy into his system. Early on, Ben seemed hesitant about both Haley and his offense. Ben should have put his personal feelings about Arians aside and supported the new coach. Here's all he had to say and it would have avoided all the drama:

In regard to meeting Haley: "I look forward to meeting with coach Haley and begin working on winning another Super Bowl."

In regard to the playbook: "I look forward to learning the new playbook and begin working on winning another Super Bowl."

Short and simple. And there's no story. It only became a story because of the way Ben kept responding to questions. He's not a rookie ... he's been around the media enough to know how to handle them.

Most Steelers fans think everything has been blown out of proportion ... because we're talking about Ben. Had this same situation happened to Flacco, those same people wouldn't be defending him and criticizing the media ... they'd be making fun of Flacco and calling him a big baby.

Here's some quotes about Haley and the offense from Brown and Sanders ...

“He has been making it simple for guys to understand,” said wide receiver Antonio Brown. “It’s been really fun. It was great to get out and start to run some of the plays. It’s going to be great when guys get on the same page and start executing it.”

“It’s going to be a good year,” said Sanders. “I am loving the offense right now. It’s based off of play action. We have a lot more of the offense to put in, but right now we are heading in the right direction.”

Ben could learn a thing or two from these young guys about how to be a good leader and how to say all the right things.

TRH
05-24-2012, 09:45 AM
you're not around the team and training camp to dictate whether "Ben is a good leader" or not.

Ryan Clark is. And he was just interviewed the day before yesterday speaking about how great of a leader Ben is now and has been in past years.

Curtain_of_Steel
05-24-2012, 10:47 AM
What people don't grasp is, schemes with PROTECTION if completely Fing new to Ben.
Ben commented, "Protection" " I need to rubber up to play now, what is do you mean?".
Than Brown whispered "Ben he means pass protection, something you never had Big Boy"
Ben: Pass Protection? Hmmm this will be new: In the words of Coach Jack Lengyel " I LIKE IT"

Kingmagyar
05-24-2012, 11:37 AM
Just a few more positive comments coming from camp about the offense.

Running back Baron Batch:

“It’s a learning process, but everyone is getting the hang of it and it almost flows easily as far as the no-huddle calls and just the way the numbering system works and the way the plays are called,it’s easier for me to learn than some of the other offenses I have been in."

“I think Coach Haley does a really good job of explaining everything and being real hands on, showing what he wants done. When you have a coach like that players pick up on it quicker. He shows you how he wants it and I appreciate that.”

Willie Colon:

“From just being around him you can tell he is a passionate coach and strong minded,” said Colon. “I am not against change. It helps us explore different dynamics of what this offense can be. We know we can be a running team. That is our mold. We just have dynamic receivers and a great quarterback that we can throw the ball."

“He brings a great sense of balance and is going to feed to both of our strengths so it’s going to be exciting.”

Millers the sh!t
05-24-2012, 12:25 PM
How many times is he asked the same questions from different reporters every day? Day in and day out? He is probably tired of talking about it.

Exactly.

After the Georgia incident, Ben acknowledged that he hadn't been a good leader and teammate, and he promised to do better in both areas. But after Arians was let go, Ben hasn't been a good leader. For a coach to be successful, the players have to buy into his system. Early on, Ben seemed hesitant about both Haley and his offense. Ben should have put his personal feelings about Arians aside and supported the new coach. Here's all he had to say and it would have avoided all the drama:

In regard to meeting Haley: "I look forward to meeting with coach Haley and begin working on winning another Super Bowl."

In regard to the playbook: "I look forward to learning the new playbook and begin working on winning another Super Bowl."

Short and simple. And there's no story. It only became a story because of the way Ben kept responding to questions. He's not a rookie ... he's been around the media enough to know how to handle them.

Most Steelers fans think everything has been blown out of proportion ... because we're talking about Ben. Had this same situation happened to Flacco, those same people wouldn't be defending him and criticizing the media ... they'd be making fun of Flacco and calling him a big baby.

Here's some quotes about Haley and the offense from Brown and Sanders ...

Ben could learn a thing or two from these young guys about how to be a good leader and how to say all the right things.

Whoa whoa whoa buddy. Don't u come around here criticizing Ben, using your fancy quotes, facts and logic. We don't care about facts, cause facts aren't real. The facts are that Ben won us two superbowls so there's no way he can be lazy, whiney, difficult to work with, or stupid. Same goes with Arians. In fact Bradshaw won us four rings so he's got to be the smartest person in the world. Ask all his ex wives...

We don't like ur kind around here boy! Now scram back to your fancy lawyer job.

Curtain_of_Steel
05-24-2012, 12:32 PM
2 SB rings, there is nothing to critcize Ben about. So basically its all BS.

All the posts I keep reading is people trying to read into what reporters are saying, or what they meant to say. What Rooney is really meaning.. Haley is trying to be nice and say it this way as opposed to critcizing Ben. blah blah.

2 Rings, we would be at 4 if not for Ben!!

kan_t
05-24-2012, 12:42 PM
It's clear to me that it's the journalists who can't get over it.

Bayz101
05-24-2012, 12:43 PM
Whoa whoa whoa buddy. Don't u come around here criticizing Ben, using your fancy quotes, facts and logic. We don't care about facts, cause facts aren't real. The facts are that Ben won us two superbowls so there's no way he can be lazy, whiney, difficult to work with, or stupid. Same goes with Arians. In fact Bradshaw won us four rings so he's got to be the smartest person in the world. Ask all his ex wives...

We don't like ur kind around here boy! Now scram back to your fancy lawyer job.

Seriously?

What exactly are you insinuating? Try this on for size:

3rd grade teacher: alright class, time to break out your math books cause this year we are learning arithmetic.

Ben: but I just learned addition and subtraction and I'm really good at it....

3rd grade teacher: sorry Ben but this stuff is gonna help you so much more in life and make you a smarter and more valuable person to society.

Ben: this sucks, I'm mad. When's lunch, gym, and recess?

Told you guys Bens a selfish simpleton. Anyone else want to debate me again on this topic?

This is an example of what you bring to the table every time a discussion involving Ben is posted. Your a broken record.

At least Wallace contributed something to this topic :hunch:

Ricco Suavez
05-24-2012, 04:47 PM
Critique Ben to your heart's content. Just do not expect to believe every little article that spins parts of interviews and comes across as more drama from Steeler camp. I have already listen to interviews Ben done earlier this off season in its entirety, and this was after reading excepts from articles claiming a big turmoil is brewing in Steeler Land. The interviews where far from what the reporters were slanting their piece on. If you dislike Ben then take these opportunities to take more digs at him, your right, just do not expect most of us to believe all this media BS.

tanda10506
05-24-2012, 06:11 PM
Whoa whoa whoa buddy. Don't u come around here criticizing Ben, using your fancy quotes, facts and logic. We don't care about facts, cause facts aren't real. The facts are that Ben won us two superbowls so there's no way he can be lazy, whiney, difficult to work with, or stupid. Same goes with Arians. In fact Bradshaw won us four rings so he's got to be the smartest person in the world. Ask all his ex wives...
:doh::doh::doh:

We don't like ur kind around here boy! Now scram back to your fancy lawyer job.

So you lose an argument and then respond with an internet tough guy redneck comment even though your in Massachusetts and you have the nerve to call a SB winning QB dumb?

Millers the sh!t
05-24-2012, 06:15 PM
Seriously?

What exactly are you insinuating? Try this on for size:



This is an example of what you bring to the table every time a discussion involving Ben is posted. Your a broken record.

At least Wallace contributed something to this topic :hunch:

I give credit where credit us due.

I do all my web browsing from a phone. I don't have the time/means to search, cut and paste quotes like Wallace did. If you know how to read between the lines you'll notice that mine and wallace's points ate basically the same. Ben still ain't grown up and is still a self centered big baby. He's still fighting the offense change and connotatively speaks about it. The guy made 100 million dollars. Something we'll never see in our lifetimes but we'll have to work just as hard 10 times longer than him. He should stop whining and do his job.

If Ben learns the system and flourishes like a leader and a grownup should do, then I'll give him props during good game play.

Everyone else that defends Ben is a broken record too. "3 superbowls, 2 rings" good for him. That's his job. Not be a whiney attention ***** who makes major screw ups bi-annually.

tanda10506
05-24-2012, 06:28 PM
I give credit where credit us due.

I do all my web browsing from a phone. I don't have the time/means to search, cut and paste quotes like Wallace did. If you know how to read between the lines you'll notice that mine and wallace's points ate basically the same. Ben still ain't grown up and is still a self centered big baby. He's still fighting the offense change and connotatively speaks about it. The guy made 100 million dollars. Something we'll never see in our lifetimes but we'll have to work just as hard 10 times longer than him. He should stop whining and do his job.

If Ben learns the system and flourishes like a leader and a grownup should do, then I'll give him props during good game play.

Everyone else that defends Ben is a broken record too. "3 superbowls, 2 rings" good for him. That's his job. Not be a whiney attention ***** who makes major screw ups bi-annually.


Claiming he's still not a leader this year because he is skeptical about the offensive change isn't really a valid point. You have no idea what Ben is saying and doing with the team and specifically his receivers, all you know is that he thinks the new offense is hard, that's all any of us fans know. Things like 2 SB's, wins, etc. are things that actually happened, your personal opinion of Ben is just that, an opinion formed by someone who insists one of the top QB's in the NFL is stupid yet continues to say stupid things.

TRH
05-24-2012, 06:55 PM
Claiming he's still not a leader this year because he is skeptical about the offensive change isn't really a valid point. You have no idea what Ben is saying and doing with the team and specifically his receivers, all you know is that he thinks the new offense is hard, that's all any of us fans know. Things like 2 SB's, wins, etc. are things that actually happened, your personal opinion of Ben is just that, an opinion formed by someone who insists one of the top QB's in the NFL is stupid yet continues to say stupid things.


ignore him, man. He's not on that field with the team and has NO clue whatsoever.

Ben is not only a leader, but one of the top ones in the entire league. You hear it time and time again from opposing players, our players, analysts, etc etc etc.
Then you also have 2 or 3 reporters trying to stir up s**t for their own benefit, trying to make something out of nothing.
Like i said before....just one example....Ryan Clark goes on TV, i think it was Tuesday, and talks about what a great leader Ben is. Who do you think is right....a premier teammate of his or some random nutcase online?

Wallace108
05-24-2012, 07:23 PM
you're not around the team and training camp to dictate whether "Ben is a good leader" or not.
Don't take my word for it. Some of Ben's own teammates, including Hines Ward, have had issues with him in the past. And Ben said himself that he wasn't a good leader. After the Georgia incident, he promised to be a better teammate and leader. He made improvements, and by all accounts, he kept his promise until recently. The way he allowed his agitation to show over Arians' dismissal and Haley's hiring is not how a good leader should have responded. I'm not saying Ben is an ass or anything of the sort. All I'm saying is that he didn't control his emotions publicly, he allowed them to come out through his comments, and the media reported and commented on it. And we're not just talking about one, two, or even three reporters. Most of the beat writers have been saying the same thing. So guys who regularly talk to Ben and who have known him for years are wrong? And fans on an Internet message board who have never even met Ben are right?

Ryan Clark is. And he was just interviewed the day before yesterday speaking about how great of a leader Ben is now and has been in past years.
Maybe that's just a case of Ryan Clark being a good leader and saying the right things. :wink02: I wonder if Hines Ward would agree with Ryan? :noidea:

Steelersfan87
05-24-2012, 08:00 PM
When did Roethlisberger ever show "agitation" over hiring Haley specifically? Because they didn't meet for a week? All of his recent comments suggest that his relationship with Haley is building day by day. As far as being agitated over Arians being fired--OF COURSE he would be agitated by it, and any QB that had a relationship that Ben had with his OC would be agitated by having his OC forced out (not having him retire or move on to a better position elsewhere). Nobody should begrudge him being upset to see a good friend leave. A guy that has been there since his rookie year, mind you. He was the wide receivers coach from 2004 through 2006 before becoming the offensive coordinator. This is the first time that he will be playing under a completely new offense, and it is something that was forced upon him. He's a regular person being forced into a change. As far as I'm concerned he's handled it just fine, especially since OTAs began. People just need to stop caring unless it actually affects the on-field product. Maybe there's just not enough to talk about...

tony hipchest
05-24-2012, 08:21 PM
so the majority of the soundbites from the offensive players in OTA's are that the new offense is fun, exciting, will make the team better, and haley is making it real easy to learn.

even from 2 of your young wr's ben was worried would be set back 2-3 years when he insinuated they might be idiots not capable of quickly picking it up like most professionals.

so now it is BEN pleading with them to be patient with him and his learning curve-

http://burgh.us/egj

Two days into OTAs, it sounds like Ben Roethlisberger hasn't quite cracked the "Rosetta Stone" that is the new Pittsburgh Steelers offense. He's been trying to tell his receivers to remain patient with him.

"I tried to tell (them) don't get frustrated because I know you're used to getting a lot more balls, but this is how it was my rookie year," Roethlisberger said, via The Associated Press. "I know what one guy does and I go to him. If he's not open, I start scrambling."

That's what Roethlisberger excels at. But new offensive coordinator Todd Haley is trying to teach Roethlisberger to play more from the pocket.

"I know that I'm supposed to get rid of the ball, stay in the pockets and not get hits," Roethlisberger. "I guess I better learn where the protections are coming from so I don't get hit." :dang:

These quotes may inspire some hang-wringing that the Steelers are taking away what Big Ben does best. But it's May, and it makes sense for the team to be focusing on the fundamentals of staying in the pocket. When the games start, he can start improvising again.

Still, it's clear that fundamental aspects of the Steelers offense is changing. They have added fullbacks. They have more tight ends on the field. And Isaac Redman told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the team is focusing more on the running game this year.

Everything old is new again in Pittsburgh.


:doh: im almost embarrased for him. he actually admitted that he is going to need to learn protection schemes now. its obvious he is still butthurt the team is trying to limit his mistakes and lengthen his career.

this isnt about fans and media overscrutinizing ever word he says. its everything about him simply not knowing when to STFU, buck up, and get over it.

Millers the sh!t
05-24-2012, 08:28 PM
Don't take my word for it. Some of Ben's own teammates, including Hines Ward, have had issues with him in the past. And Ben said himself that he wasn't a good leader. After the Georgia incident, he promised to be a better teammate and leader. He made improvements, and by all accounts, he kept his promise until recently. The way he allowed his agitation to show over Arians' dismissal and Haley's hiring is not how a good leader should have responded. I'm not saying Ben is an ass or anything of the sort. All I'm saying is that he didn't control his emotions publicly, he allowed them to come out through his comments, and the media reported and commented on it. And we're not just talking about one, two, or even three reporters. Most of the beat writers have been saying the same thing. So guys who regularly talk to Ben and who have known him for years are wrong? And fans on an Internet message board who have never even met Ben are right?


Maybe that's just a case of Ryan Clark being a good leader and saying the right things. :wink02: I wonder if Hines Ward would agree with Ryan? :noidea:

Don't waste your time man. You can't use logic to remove thoughts that weren't put there by logic in the first place.

A lot of the Ben lovers are blind followers. They cant admit to, or stand hearing criticism. They are the Same breed of people that boo at the reffs when they make a correct call against us.

tanda10506
05-24-2012, 08:29 PM
Don't waste your time man. You can't use logic to remove thoughts that weren't put there by logic in the first place.

A lot of the Ben lovers are blind followers. They cant admit to, or stand hearing criticism. They are the Same breed of people that boo at the reffs when they make a correct call against us.

:doh::doh::doh:

tony hipchest
05-24-2012, 08:42 PM
Mike Prisuta‏@DVEMike
Maurkice Pouncey is a big fan of the new offensive playbook. "I like it a lot. Hopefully everyone else does. It's exciting, man."
Pouncey said new offense is "going to be a lot different. We have a lot more running plays. We might run it a lot more in the red zone."

poor ben.


Mike Prisuta‏@DVEMike
Following Day 1 of OTAs Mike Tomlin had this to say about the Steelers' new offense: "I expect the guys to learn and learn rather quickly."


poor ben. :scholar:

Wallace108
05-24-2012, 08:58 PM
so the majority of the soundbites from the offensive players in OTA's are that the new offense is fun, exciting, will make the team better, and haley is making it real easy to learn.

even from 2 of your young wr's ben was worried would be set back 2-3 years when he insinuated they might be idiots not capable of quickly picking it up like most professionals.
Wow, I forgot about that. A good leader doesn't throw his young receivers under the bus and insinuate that they're not capable of learning a new offense.

Don't waste your time man. You can't use logic to remove thoughts that weren't put there by logic in the first place.

A lot of the Ben lovers are blind followers. They cant admit to, or stand hearing criticism. They are the Same breed of people that boo at the reffs when they make a correct call against us.

Nah, it's all good. There's no need to make it personal. I respect these guys and their opinions. We're all Steelers fans and want the best for the team. We just see this situation differently.

LVSteelersfan
05-24-2012, 10:51 PM
Give me a freakin break. Ben has had the playbook and been practicing with it for HOW LONG? This is so overblown it is ridiculous. I don't condone everything Ben does on the field (or off) but let's see how it plays out before bashing him because of the mindless mutterings of some stupid reporter. Come on season. GET HERE.

Ricco Suavez
05-24-2012, 11:03 PM
Well the verdict is in and Ben is not smart enough to learn a new system and while Arians had to "dumb" his playbook down to accommodate his mentally handicapped QB we took all our angst out against the wrong person. Too bad Ben had only talent to go with his gunslinger style or he could of won a couple of those things called Superbowls.

You Ben naysayers slay me with every quote that is said being taken as gospel by anyone whose last name is not Roethliesberger. You got guys saying all these great things and playing nice and the one guy whose opinion and/or knowledge of this new offense is the most important on the team, does not spout all is Rosy. Hey heaven help if he is the only one being brutally honest in his opinion.

Before everyone gets their small girl panties in a wad, how bout we play a meaningful game and then see what the deal is. God I will be so glad when the season starts.

Sixburgher
05-24-2012, 11:05 PM
this isnt about fans and media overscrutinizing ever word he says.

Like hell it's not.

tony hipchest
05-24-2012, 11:20 PM
Like hell it's not.

sure it is.

ben is getting off easy compared to the heat jay cutler is taking. ben is a story on message boards and MAYBE some local radio shows.

cutler saying he has to see how webb at LT pans out has brought national ridicule.

"mindless mutterings of some stupid reporter."

:laughing: these reporters are really doing nothing more than repeating the endless soundbites ben keeps feeding them.

ben said he was worried his "teammates" :rolleyes: may be set back 2-3 years. in the meantime theyre saying its pretty simple while he is saying he is still confused asking them to bear with him.

:toofunny: and yet some still defend this....

:scholar:

Sixburgher
05-24-2012, 11:28 PM
sure it is.

ben is getting off easy compared to the heat jay cutler is taking. ben is a story on message boards and MAYBE some local radio shows.

cutler saying he has to see how webb at LT pans out has brought national ridicule.

"mindless mutterings of some stupid reporter."

:laughing: these reporters are really doing nothing more than repeating the endless soundbites ben keeps feeding them.

ben said he was worried his "teammates" :rolleyes: may be set back 2-3 years. in the meantime theyre saying its pretty simple while he is saying he is still confused asking them to bear with him.

:toofunny: and yet some still defend this....

:scholar:

Defending what? There's nothing to defend. If the offense struggles due to Ben not "getting it" when they start playing for keeps, then let me know. Until then, this is nothing more than a bunch of scribes trying to justify their jobs by creating "news" where there is none. And a chock full of fans eating it up and coming back for more.

Steelersfan87
05-24-2012, 11:31 PM
Roethlisberger has always used self-deprecating humor when referring to how he's playing or developing, or anything of that nature in response to questions about himself. The majority of the comments scrutinized in this and other threads seem to be of that variety with people trying to read between the lines.

tony hipchest
05-24-2012, 11:43 PM
Defending what? There's nothing to defend. If the offense struggles due to Ben not "getting it" when they start playing for keeps, then let me know. Until then, this is nothing more than a bunch of scribes trying to justify their jobs by creating "news" where there is none. And a chock full of fans eating it up and coming back for more.you might as well say arians being shown the door is a complete non story until the bullets start flying.

you are acting like the media is making this stuff up. when a veteran going into his 9th season, is the supposed leader on the team (2X SB champ) says he is confused about the offense, it is astory especially when his fellow 2nd and 3rd year teammates say its really no big deal and fairly simple. "its just football, its all the same, just the terminology has changed".

when said veteran is the 2nd most sacked qb in the past 3 years admits hes gonna have to learn protection schemes as if it is some sort of chore, that is a news story.

i believe anyone who says otherwis has their head in the sand.

or maybe im just the fool for giving ben credit for being much more intelligent than he really is all these years.

steve young probably has a 140-150 IQ. maybe ben is just in the 110-120 range. perhaps ben is the typical athelete who would probably slide through years of school with a C average if it werent for their jockular activities.

theres nothing wrong with that.

especially nothing wrong with being mentally average when he is in the top 1% for atheletisizm.

Sixburgher
05-24-2012, 11:52 PM
you are acting like the media is making this stuff up.

No. Embellishing it, and completely ignoring the tone of his comments and taking what he says completely out of context? You betcha. The big "story" for at least two months after Haley was first hired was how Ben had a "problem" with him because,OMIGOD, he didn't talk to him for a whole two weeks! Now that he's come out in the last couple of days and completely shot that out of the water, the new "story" is that he's too dumb to grasp a playbook.

I read a story some years back in SI, if I recall, where the position of NFL QB was found to be by far the most difficult job in professional sports from a mental standpoint to become proficient at. You don't have the kind of success Roethlisberger has had over the last 8 years by being a borderline mental retard like many of these stories are making him out to be, regardless of how athletically gifted you are. Sorry, it doesn't happen. If athleticism was all there was to it, Kordell Stewart would've been a frigging hall of famer.

Wallace108
05-24-2012, 11:57 PM
As Steelers fans, we're spoiled. We expect success every year. We expect smooth seasons. What we don't expect is the kind of locker-room drama we saw with the Jets last season. But we're being naive if we think we're immune to something like that happening with the Steelers.

Roethlisberger has a history of creating friction with his teammates. And his comments this offseason very well could have created friction once again. Everyone wants to blame the media for creating the drama, for making something out of nothing. If it was just one or two reporters criticizing Ben, there might be an argument for that. But not when you have every reporter in Pittsburgh beating the same drum.

And here's a little snippet from NFL.com:

After Haley and Big Ben endured a chilly start, there were whispers the quarterback was unhappy, but Roethlisberger confirmed the two men are on good footing.

Ben said everything was blown out of proportion. But why were there "whispers"? And who was doing the "whispering"? Some of his teammates had to have been talking to reporters. I'm willing to bet they were told things off the record. But regardless of where the whispers were coming from, someone on the team had to have been concerned with the way Ben was reacting.

As I said before, I guarantee that if it was Flacco or Brady in this same situation and reacting just as Ben did, all of you would have a much different perspective. 99 percent of the posters on this board would be making fun of them and calling them whiners and crybabies.

tony hipchest
05-25-2012, 12:07 AM
If athleticism was all there was to it, Kordell Stewart would've been a frigging hall of famer.how many coordinators did kordell have in his career? if you add balt and chicago, i think it was seven.

i dont ever recall him making as much fuss as ben has about losing arians. i could be wrong or maybe kordell was just better at masking his stupidity infront of reporters than other people are.

he certainly couldnt mask it on the field. it is worthy to note that ben did have 2 very kordell-like performances in superbowls.

Wallace108
05-25-2012, 12:17 AM
No. Embellishing it, and completely ignoring the tone of his comments and taking what he says completely out of context? You betcha.

If we were talking about one or maybe two reporters, I might agree with you. But we're talking about a bunch of reporters from multiple news outlets. Are we to assume they ALL got it wrong? Are the Post-Gazette and Trib conspiring against Ben?

I'm a die-hard Steelers fan. And I'm a Big Ben fan. But I always try to call them like I see them and not be a homer. As much as I like Ben, I think he acted like a baby after Arians was let go. And he put his personal feelings for Arians ahead of the team. From his demand to meet with Rooney, to his delayed meeting with Haley, to criticizing Haley's coaching style, to saying that a drastic change in the offense would set them back 2 or 3 years ... at every turn Ben was making comments that he didn't need to make. No one forced Ben to say anything. He said it, and the reporters reported it.

Sixburgher
05-25-2012, 12:24 AM
If we were talking about one or maybe two reporters, I might agree with you. But we're talking about a bunch of reporters from multiple news outlets. Are we to assume they ALL got it wrong? Are the Post-Gazette and Trib conspiring against Ben?

A bunch of reporters? Let's face it, in the Twitter age, sports journalism has largely been reduced to one reporter "scooping" a story and a bunch of others retweeting it verbatim. And in turn about a thousand different bloggers writing "articles" about it. True investigative reporting has pretty much gone the way of the dodo and tabloid "journalism" sadly is now king.

Wallace108
05-25-2012, 12:34 AM
A bunch of reporters? Let's face it, in the Twitter age, journalism has largely been reduced to one reporter "scooping" a story on Twitter and a bunch of others retweeting it verbatim. And in turn about a thousand different bloggers writing "articles" about it. True investigative reporting has pretty much gone the way of the dodo and tabloid "journalism" sadly is now king.

On that we can agree.
But the comments I referenced weren't made to just one reporter and "borrowed" by others.

tony hipchest
05-25-2012, 01:40 AM
A bunch of reporters? Let's face it, in the Twitter age, sports journalism has largely been reduced to one reporter "scooping" a story and a bunch of others retweeting it verbatim. And in turn about a thousand different bloggers writing "articles" about it. True investigative reporting has pretty much gone the way of the dodo and tabloid "journalism" sadly is now king.thats nice and all (if we're going for complete misrepresentation in regards to the local press' coverage of bens resistance to the new OC), but what is it called when an athelete gives an exclusive interview, or addresses the writers and cameras at a press conference?

covering that is not journalism? is putting what they say in print simple tabloid and bloggers work?

teh most funny thing is that kovacevic (who is probably the biggest arians apologist out there besides steelersdepot) is actually blasting the rooneys for mistreating big ben moreso than the fans in this thread, think ben is being blasted.

balls are being tossed. teh men are out on the grass. ben was given the day off today because his wittle head hurts from learning "rosetta stone". its time for him to get over it?

hell, he could do EVERYONE a favor (especially himself) and LIE next time he is asked how the studying of the new offense is coming along.

"its coming along fine and i look forward to running these plays in training camp. i look forward to putting some extra time in with my wr's once the OTA's are done." :jerkit:

Millers the sh!t
05-25-2012, 02:07 AM
I've always felt that the style Ben plays (which is all exciting, fits the Pittsburgh mold/tradition, and we all love) is derived from a lack of cerebral play. I think a lot of the line issues we have were a symptom of an indecisive or a selfish qb that preferred to extend the play to add an extra 5-10 yards, or to make the WR more open. I've seen Ben make some accurate plays, and make some quick time passes to teammates that really impressed me.

I love watching the man play, and like I said I think his tough and gritty style of play fit the steelers mystic and add to the organizations legend. Bens getting older and can't take too many more seasons like he has in the past. If he don't change his style and attitude he won't last much longer.

I hope I'm wrong about my perception of Ben, I hope he learns the system and becomes a better, smarter qb and takes us to more superbowls.

You guys are right, I'm not on the field and I don't know for a fact about Bens progression, but neither do you. And a lot of times you don't need to have tangible proof to size somebody up.... You can just tell. The signs are there.

Steelersfan87
05-25-2012, 02:16 AM
he acted like a baby after Arians was let go.

I suppose you could describe it like that if you want to be as hyperbolic and negative about it as possible. It's perfectly reasonable for a professional athlete to be unhappy about a good friend and coach with whom he has an excellent rapport and level of comfort leaves.

From his demand to meet with Rooney,

He didn't "demand" a meeting; he requested a meeting. Which is a smart thing to do when you don't know what your employer has in the cards for your offense and you are the engine of that offense.

to his delayed meeting with Haley,

How does this mean anything? It has zero impact on where the team stands now. Neither party was in a hurry to meet the other. And they weren't allowed to talk about football. So there was no sense urgency.

[QUOTE=Wallace108;1012920]to criticizing Haley's coaching style,

When did he ever do this? I'd need to see a source for this one.

to saying that a drastic change in the offense would set them back 2 or 3 years ...

How long ago was this already? Was this even after Haley was already hired, or was this just after Arians was fired and they were still looking for a coach? It's so long ago that I can't even remember, but it's definitely well before he had a playbook in his hands. He was just expressing fears entering into a situation that he (and the rest of the team) have been unfamiliar with. From Ken Whisenhunt to Bruce Arians, there was a lineage of offensive coordinators that largely maintained a central nucleus of plays and verbiage that kept a consistency in the offense that was more comfortable a transition. This is the first time in a while that the offense is being handed to somebody outside the organization, and this somebody threw the baby out with the bathwater. Roethlisberger has never been in this boat before, so he was understandably a little anxious and worried about what the future would hold.

thats nice and all (if we're going for complete misrepresentation in regards to the local press' coverage of bens resistance to the new OC), but what is it called when an athelete gives an exclusive interview, or addresses the writers and cameras at a press conference?

covering that is not journalism? is putting what they say in print simple tabloid and bloggers work?

teh most funny thing is that kovacevic (who is probably the biggest arians apologist out there besides steelersdepot) is actually blasting the rooneys for mistreating big ben moreso than the fans in this thread, think ben is being blasted.

balls are being tossed. teh men are out on the grass. ben was given the day off today because his wittle head hurts from learning "rosetta stone". its time for him to get over it?

hell, he could do EVERYONE a favor (especially himself) and LIE next time he is asked how the studying of the new offense is coming along.

"its coming along fine and i look forward to running these plays in training camp. i look forward to putting some extra time in with my wr's once the OTA's are done." :jerkit:

Come on now. He was given a day off "because his wittle head hurts"?

Big Ben's unique 'day off'
Ben Roethlisberger, who did not practice Thursday, said the new offense is making "progress. We're getting there. I figured three days in week one, we've made some progress."

Coach Mike Tomlin told Roethlisberger to take the day off, so he stood behind the offense with a copy of the practice script and basically watched.

"Mental reps," is what he called his day.

He said it had nothing to do with his previous sore arm or ankle.

"It was nice having the script on me and seeing everything, and it gave me more time to talk to Coach during [practice]."

He said he was "trying to look at everything and talk to players and try to get an understanding what everybody's doing on every play."

Roethlisberger has a self-deprecating sense of humor and plays up his country bumpkin persona. Kind of like Terry Bradshaw. That is being completely ignored in this conversation. The only time he talks about how great the offense is is when he's talking about the other players.

We're in May. None of this means anything at this time of year.

tony hipchest
05-25-2012, 02:25 AM
Come on now. He was given a day off "because his wittle head hurts"?


We're in May. None of this means anything at this time of year.

you caught me... i mispelt "LITTLE". :busted: ('spell" incorrectly spelled for empahsis)

none of this means anything to YOU. just remember, you can get over it and let it go, just as much as anybody else.

otherwise i am sure there are plenty of discussion boards out there where nothing is discussed. :noidea:

maybe you all should just get on board and join us when in saying ben just needs to STFU, and all this is a moot point.

oh, thats right... the ben protectors dont want ben being called difficult.

Steelersfan87
05-25-2012, 02:32 AM
I don't want Ben ignoring the media's questions. That would have an even worse public backlash.

tony hipchest
05-25-2012, 02:34 AM
I don't want Ben ignoring the media's questions. That would have an even worse public backlash.thats your opinion.

prove it.

:coffee:

have you ever heard of "coachspeak"?

tomlin is a master, as is belichick. they are winners. the media hates it, but their fans dont seem to care too much as long as they are getting to superbowls and winning.

why are you guys who are so unconcerned about what the media has to say in may so concerned about ben ignoring the medias questions in may? its quite an ironic dichotomy if you ask me.

Hawaii 5-0
05-25-2012, 02:38 AM
By Mark Kaboly - Tribune-Review

Published: Friday, May 25, 2012

• Ben Roethlisberger did not take part in the practice session Thursday, instead opting for a “mental reps day.” Wearing a T-shirt and cap and with a play list in hand, Roethlisberger stood next to offensive coordinator Todd Haley during the the two-hour practice. “It was nice having the script on me, and it gave me more time to talk to coach,” Roethlisberger said. “Trying to look at everything and just talk to players and trying to get an understanding of what everyone is doing every play.”

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/1856702-85/gilbert-tackle-steelers-keisel-practice-adams-offseason-roethlisberger-round-james

Steelersfan87
05-25-2012, 02:55 AM
thats your opinion.

prove it.

:coffee:

have you ever heard of "coachspeak"?

tomlin is a master, as is belichick. they are winners. the media hates it, but their fans dont seem to care too much as long as they are getting to superbowls and winning.

why are you guys who are so unconcerned about what the media has to say in may so concerned about ben ignoring the medias questions in may? its quite an ironic dichotomy if you ask me.

Because people dislike assholes more than retards.

tony hipchest
05-25-2012, 03:00 AM
Because people dislike assholes more than retards.

thats your opinion....

prove it.

:coffee:

or maybe you just did w/ the nonsensical quoted post. :noidea:

anyways, i'll take it as you tapping out...

Steelersfan87
05-25-2012, 03:08 AM
I think the fact that barely a word has been mentioned about this whole playbook thing in the more nationwide media in a negative light is an indication that it would be worse if Ben just didn't answer the questions. If he kept getting asked about the playbook and refused to talk about it, then it would be all over ESPN and the NFL Network.

tony hipchest
05-25-2012, 03:36 AM
I think the fact that barely a word has been mentioned about this whole playbook thing in the more nationwide media in a negative light is an indication that it would be worse if Ben just didn't answer the questions. If he kept getting asked about the playbook and refused to talk about it, then it would be all over ESPN and the NFL Network.pure speculation on your part is fine, but i think the complete opposite and i have factual evidence to back it up.

how much of a big deal has the nation wide media made about peyton manning and his new playbook? he has barely said jack squat about it. fact of the matter is, its not a big deal because he hasnt made it a big deal.

now if he said he were still confused and it were like a "rosetta stone" you can bet your ass the new orlean saints and roger goodell would be singing songs of praise for taking the spotlight off of them.

andrew luck and RGIII havent had the evil media harping on them for not speaking about the playbook on a daily basis. i guess theyre not as good of soundbites as ben. or perhaps the PGH media is just that much more diabolical than every other media outlets in nfl cities.

last year it was widely speculated that teams such as the 49ers, carolina, and the bungles would struggle mightily with their qb's learning new systems in a lockout year. how did that work out for their qb's?

i dont recall cam, smith, or the red rifle, voicing their struggles and complications on a daily basis.

why do i bring up all these rookies? because ben says he feels like a rookie with this new playbook. he is a ****ing veteran on a 100,000,000 million dollar contract!

so i have listed 20% of the leagues qb's learning new playbooks who have said virtually nothing about learning the new playbook and the national media not blinking an eye at their silence.

what makes ben so different? :coffee:

:popcorn:

TheVet
05-25-2012, 04:17 AM
Andrew Luck shouldn't have much trouble learning his new playbook.

:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

Ricco Suavez
05-25-2012, 07:42 AM
I love how Tony is aware of how every QB in the NFL is treated by the home town papers. I watch national news and true the Mannings are almost always painted in glowing terms. Of course both have been groomed by Dad since pee wee on how to handle situations that he knew were ahead of them. I do agree that Cutler is likely one of the few QBs that can rival Ben for local media crucifixion. But Ben is almost daily hounded by the local media trying to stir up the pot, and I get it, its their job. But then it is put on here with more editorial by the pot stirrers and expect us "Ben apologists" to take it as fact. Well while so of these so called "facts" are great debate points they are not facts just opinions and slants on the spoken word, while the forum crowd adds tid bits from other sources or themselves and as a whole it proves Ben is either a. Selfish, b. Stupid, c.A bad team mate, d. pervert, or e. all of the above or some other complaint that can be thought of.

Sixburgher
05-25-2012, 10:03 AM
ben was given the day off today because his wittle head hurts from learning "rosetta stone".

:rolleyes:

"Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, linebacker James Harrison, safety Troy Polamalu, cornerback Ike Taylor and wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery were all given the day off."

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/05/25/ota-report-keisel-arrives-several-take-the-day-off/

I guess Harrison's, Polamalu's, Taylor's and Cotchery's "wittle heads" all hurt too. Jump to conclusions much? :coffee:

Steelersfan87
05-25-2012, 04:24 PM
pure speculation on your part is fine, but i think the complete opposite and i have factual evidence to back it up.

how much of a big deal has the nation wide media made about peyton manning and his new playbook? he has barely said jack squat about it. fact of the matter is, its not a big deal because he hasnt made it a big deal.

now if he said he were still confused and it were like a "rosetta stone" you can bet your ass the new orlean saints and roger goodell would be singing songs of praise for taking the spotlight off of them.

andrew luck and RGIII havent had the evil media harping on them for not speaking about the playbook on a daily basis. i guess theyre not as good of soundbites as ben. or perhaps the PGH media is just that much more diabolical than every other media outlets in nfl cities.

last year it was widely speculated that teams such as the 49ers, carolina, and the bungles would struggle mightily with their qb's learning new systems in a lockout year. how did that work out for their qb's?

i dont recall cam, smith, or the red rifle, voicing their struggles and complications on a daily basis.

why do i bring up all these rookies? because ben says he feels like a rookie with this new playbook. he is a ****ing veteran on a 100,000,000 million dollar contract!

so i have listed 20% of the leagues qb's learning new playbooks who have said virtually nothing about learning the new playbook and the national media not blinking an eye at their silence.

what makes ben so different? :coffee:

:popcorn:

:toofunny:

From the very article that is the subject of this thread:

First, team president Art Rooney publicly stated that Roethlisberger needed to "tweak" his game, meaning to scramble a lot less and stay healthy.

Think Robert Kraft suggests positional philosophy to Tom Brady?

Next, Rooney and Tomlin fired Bruce Arians, Roethlisberger's offensive coordinator of five years, and stunned pretty much everyone. Including Roethlisberger.

Think the Packers pull that with Aaron Rodgers?

Finally, Tomlin hired Haley, also without Roethlisberger's input, and is implementing a brand new offense.

Think Peyton Manning didn't pack his own playbook when he flew off to Denver?

The situation of Ben Roethlisberger and his new playbook is different from every other situation in the league.

1) He's not a rookie. This means several things. a) He has no pull. He is by far not in a position to speak out. b) Rookie QB playbooks are heavily curtailed, limited to what they are comfortable with. You think Andy Dalton and RGIII would have hit the ground running with whatever Haley is throwing at Roethlisberger right now?

2) He was not released and had to find a new team. Peyton Manning was fired and had to find a new job. Ben Roethlisberger is in the same position, yet everything around him his changing against his wishes. Manning chose his new destination, so why would he complain about it? The way teams bid on him, you think he doesn't have the final say on the playbook? The Titans were ready to give him employment for life! They would have let him do whatever he wants.

3) He is an elite talent with the hardware to back it up. This is not like Tony Sparano being Mark Sanchez's new offensive coordinator. Sanchez didn't have a great relationship with Schottenheimer anyway, and he has yet to develop as a franchise QB in 3 seasons. Ben Roethlisberger has been in the league since 2004 and been in 3 Super Bowls and multiple Pro Bowls. He has way more pull to speak his mind if he so chose than somebody like Sanchez. Sanchez also likely embraced the change in OC because, as I already said, their relationship was not great and their offense has regressed.

Are you surprised that rookies, players that suck, and players that are entering a new job are less likely to voice frustrations than veteran, successful players that have the rug pulled from under them? I certainly am not.

Wallace108
05-25-2012, 07:23 PM
Ben Roethlisberger used the word “frustrating” to describe the transition from former O.C. Bruce Arians to Haley.

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/pope-gives-haley-playbook-his-blessing/article_41257ce6-a661-11e1-badf-001a4bcf6878.html

Could attitude have anything to do with it? :scratchchin:

And it's good to see that the Beaver County Times is in on the conspiracy. :chuckle:

Bayz101
05-25-2012, 07:29 PM
Could attitude have anything to do with it? :scratchchin:

And it's good to see that the Beaver County Times is in on the conspiracy. :chuckle:

:sofunny:

Sixburgher
05-25-2012, 07:36 PM
Could attitude have anything to do with it? :scratchchin:

And it's good to see that the Beaver County Times is in on the conspiracy. :chuckle:

Yeah, well, there's that whole "context" thing again:

I asked if he and Haley are on the same page yet.

"Well, that's the goal," Roethlisberger replied with a broad smile. "I'm going to put in extra work to learn his offense and try to get there."

Does he like what he's seen of the plays so far?

"Yeah, sure," he came back, this time with a slight shrug. "It's kind of early to see too much."

How about this OTA opener?

"It was frustrating. It gets frustrating at times. But we'll keep learning."

http://triblive.com/sports/1836198-74/roethlisberger-steelers-think-ben-haley-offense-playbook-stay-tomlin-coordinator?printerfriendly=true

Damn it, Ben! Don't you know you should have that mother mastered in half an hour! Dumbass!

Bayz101
05-25-2012, 07:56 PM
Yeah, well, there's that whole "context" thing again:

I asked if he and Haley are on the same page yet.

"Well, that's the goal," Roethlisberger replied with a broad smile. "I'm going to put in extra work to learn his offense and try to get there."

Does he like what he's seen of the plays so far?

"Yeah, sure," he came back, this time with a slight shrug. "It's kind of early to see too much."

How about this OTA opener?

"It was frustrating. It gets frustrating at times. But we'll keep learning."

http://triblive.com/sports/1836198-74/roethlisberger-steelers-think-ben-haley-offense-playbook-stay-tomlin-coordinator?printerfriendly=true

Damn it, Ben! Don't you know you should have that mother mastered in half an hour! Dumbass!

While I agree these articles are retarded and blown out of context, i'm just beginning to wish Ben would shush on the subject. He could donate to a charity and get criticized at this point.

Fire Arians
05-25-2012, 08:05 PM
While I agree these articles are retarded and blown out of context, i'm just beginning to wish Ben would shush on the subject. He could donate to a charity and get criticized at this point.

i agree, id rather him not give the media anything to work with

Bayz101
05-25-2012, 08:08 PM
i agree, id rather him not give the media anything to work with

Only problem then is that we'll be bitching about him not bitching enough :sofunny:

It never ends http://cdn5.droidmill.com/media/market-media/com.timosoft.fu_icon.png

Wallace108
05-25-2012, 08:45 PM
Yeah, well, there's that whole "context" thing again:

I asked if he and Haley are on the same page yet.

"Well, that's the goal," Roethlisberger replied with a broad smile. "I'm going to put in extra work to learn his offense and try to get there."

Does he like what he's seen of the plays so far?

"Yeah, sure," he came back, this time with a slight shrug. "It's kind of early to see too much."

How about this OTA opener?

"It was frustrating. It gets frustrating at times. But we'll keep learning."

http://triblive.com/sports/1836198-74/roethlisberger-steelers-think-ben-haley-offense-playbook-stay-tomlin-coordinator?printerfriendly=true

Damn it, Ben! Don't you know you should have that mother mastered in half an hour! Dumbass!

Exactly how was it taken out of context?

Question: How about this OTA opener?
Ben: "It was frustrating. It gets frustrating at times. But we'll keep learning."

So Ben said practice is frustrating, but they'll keep learning. And here's what Bires wrote:

Ben Roethlisberger used the word “frustrating” to describe the transition from former O.C. Bruce Arians to Haley.

So how was that taken out of context? Ben didn't mention Arians' and Haley's names, but isn't that implied? Ben basically said transitioning from Arians' offense to Haley's offense is frustrating, but they'll learn it.

Why is it significant that Ben is finding it frustrating? Here's what he said a few months ago:

“I don’t know if it would be easy for us to learn it. We’re so young on offense and the most-talented room in this whole building is probably wide receiver, no disrespect to anyone else. And they’re also really young. That was my biggest talking point to Mike [Tomlin] and those guys — I would hate to just throw everything out and start over because I feel it would set us back two or three years because these guys are just starting to get it."

So, how are those "stupid" receivers handling the new offense?

“He has been making it simple for guys to understand,” said wide receiver Antonio Brown. “It’s been really fun. It was great to get out and start to run some of the plays. It’s going to be great when guys get on the same page and start executing it.”

“It’s going to be a good year,” said Sanders. “I am loving the offense right now. It’s based off of play action. We have a lot more of the offense to put in, but right now we are heading in the right direction.”

And how do other guys on offense feel?

“For me, being in the league a couple of years now, I am picking it up faster than the younger guys,” said Redman. “It’s not too difficult for us."

“It’s a learning process, but everyone is getting the hang of it and it almost flows easily as far as the no-huddle calls and just the way the numbering system works and the way the plays are called,” said Baron Batch.


Every quote from every player I've seen speaks glowingly of both Haley and the new offense. The only player who hasn't been positive is Ben. Should that be a surprise? As I've said, I'm not a Ben hater. It's just that ever since Arians was let go, Ben has acted like a little kid who didn't get his way. I've seen plenty of adults behave like that when things don't go their way. And I've seen some allow it to affect their work or relationships. Just because Ben is the franchise QB of the Pittsburgh Steelers doesn't mean he's immune to it.

I'm not suggesting that any of this will definitely affect Ben's play or that there will be a rift between him and his teammates. He's a competitor, and that's what I love about him. My argument is that he acted like a baby after Arians was let go. And even based on some of his recent comments, it seems like he's still a little butt hurt. Going back to the article in the original post of this thread, the writer defended Ben and said Manning, Brady, and Rogers wouldn't have been treated like Ben was this offseason. But then he said Ben needs to get over it, because he doesn't think that he has. And I agree.

Steelersfan87
05-25-2012, 11:13 PM
Roethlisberger has said plenty of positive things about the offense. People only pay attention to the things that they can construe as definitely negative. Also, Sanders, Brown, and Batch are all upbeat, smiley bastards that are incapable of not being optimistic. And they're also not quarterbacks. Quarterbacks have exponentially more to learn than every other position, so any significant transition is naturally going to be more frustrating for the quarterback. And as long as reporters keep asking him questions, he's going to answer them. I'd rather he be honest than give some bullshit answers, although obviously almost everybody else here disagrees.

Ricco Suavez
05-25-2012, 11:30 PM
Move along real fans, nothing of importance on these pages. Overblown, under a microscope, and double standards the norm when it comes to our QB. The ones who hate him hope we win in spite of him, others love him as the QB of their favorite team. Please Lord let the season start soon.

Wallace108
05-25-2012, 11:35 PM
Roethlisberger has said plenty of positive things about the offense. People only pay attention to the things that they can construe as definitely negative.
You're right. I have heard him say things that were positive. But I'd prefer that he also didn't say things that were negative.

And as long as reporters keep asking him questions, he's going to answer them. I'd rather he be honest than give some bullshit answers, although obviously almost everybody else here disagrees.
No, I think most people here agree with you.

I like your argument in the above post. You're not saying that reporters are making stuff up or taking everything Ben says out of context. You're saying that you appreciate Ben's honesty and not giving bullshit answers. I don't agree with your view, but I can respect it. To me, this is mostly about perspective. I'll compare it to Joey Porter. Some fans loved Porter's trash talking. Other fans wished he'd just STFU and play football. There's no right or wrong ... just difference of opinion. I think it's the same with Ben. Most fans, like you, don't have a problem with things Ben has said since Arians' departure. Other fans, like me, wish he'd be more positive and would have been more supportive of Haley from the beginning. No right or wrong ... just difference of opinion. :drink:

Wallace108
05-25-2012, 11:39 PM
Move along real fans, nothing of importance on these pages. Overblown, under a microscope, and double standards the norm when it comes to our QB. The ones who hate him hope we win in spite of him, others love him as the QB of their favorite team. Please Lord let the season start soon.
Are you really saying that people like me and hipchest aren't real fans because we don't think Ben is perfect? Seriously? Does your definition of "real fan" mean that you can never criticize a player or coach? To me, that's the definition of a homer.

And if you're so tired of this topic and you feel it's not even worthy of discussion, why do you keep coming back to it? :noidea:

Ricco Suavez
05-25-2012, 11:42 PM
Once again I was lucky enough to actually see the interview tape and listen to the Q&A session that the piece was written from and once again there was nothing Ben said that should have been construed as bellyaching or bitching about the new system. Too much dissecting each sentence trying to interpret something from much of nothing. I saw the interview and thats all of the facts I need.

Ricco Suavez
05-25-2012, 11:43 PM
If you're so tired of this topic and you feel it's not even worthy of discussion, why do you keep coming back to it? :noidea:

Just like the Lone Ranger or the Shadow someone needs to administer justice even if its on a Steeler forum with Ben bias.

Steelersfan87
05-25-2012, 11:46 PM
You're right. I have heard him say things that were positive. But I'd prefer that he also didn't say things that were negative.


No, I think most people here agree with you.

I like your argument in the above post. You're not saying that reporters are making stuff up or taking everything Ben says out of context. You're saying that you appreciate Ben's honesty and not giving bullshit answers. I don't agree with your view, but I can respect it. To me, this is mostly about perspective. I'll compare it to Joey Porter. Some fans loved Porter's trash talking. Other fans wished he'd just STFU and play football. There's no right or wrong ... just difference of opinion. I think it's the same with Ben. Most fans, like you, don't have a problem with things Ben has said since Arians' departure. Other fans, like me, wish he'd be more positive and would have been more supportive of Haley from the beginning. No right or wrong ... just difference of opinion. :drink:

I get where you're coming from, and I think we actually disagree even less than you think. I think here is where we disagree though. I'm fine with everything he's said and done up to this point. But now it's starting to get into that time where things start to matter, including the things he says. Pretty soon, he's going to have to start answering questions with responses like "the sky's the limit with this offense" like he has been doing the past two seasons. Especially when training camp hits, that's really when it needs to be all sunshine and flowers, in my opinion. Right now, it's understandable that there are still growing pains and frustrations.

Wallace108
05-25-2012, 11:52 PM
Once again I was lucky enough to actually see the interview tape and listen to the Q&A session that the piece was written from and once again there was nothing Ben said that should have been construed as bellyaching or bitching about the new system. Too much dissecting each sentence trying to interpret something from much of nothing. I saw the interview and thats all of the facts I need.
OK, that's your opinion. I have a different opinion. It doesn't make me any less of a fan than you.

tony hipchest
05-26-2012, 12:02 AM
Roethlisberger has said plenty of positive things about the offense.. And as long as reporters keep asking him questions, he's going to answer them. I'd rather he be honest than give some bullshit answers, .can you list or give links for the "plenty" of positive things he has said about haley or his playbook? i musta missed them all.



Also, Sanders, Brown, and Batch are all upbeat, smiley bastards that are incapable of not being optimistic. And they're also not quarterbacks. Quarterbacks have exponentially more to learn than every other position, so any significant transition is naturally going to be more frustrating for the quarterbackso if this is true, ben was just bullshitting and giving bullshit answers when he said the young talent you mention above were going to be set back 2-3 years, right?

what he really meant to say was that if they may be set back a month or 2, he would be the one exponentially set back 2-3 years?

he should just be honest and say that from the get go. his position players and OL seem fine with the change. excited in fact.

oh, and other than finally doing an about face and admitting ben needs to get over it, the kovacevic article is nothing more than his typical arians apologist, the rooneys are evil meanies, crap.

Ricco Suavez
05-26-2012, 12:07 AM
And the biggest point of this whole article came from comments such as "its frustrating" or he says he needs more detailed skull sessions. Big whooping deal. The second day of OTA's, new OC, and new scheme in which the QB has to learn EVERYTHING, not just one receiver's route, but everything and he says what I believe to be an honest and simple answer. Basically he says I am struggling with my part and I need more time to get it right. I do believe he said to the effect he was working hard along with Haley to get it right.

Listen I know you guys are fans, some of you have been much longer than me. But just as you tire of what you perceive to be a lack of Bens commitment to Haley's scheme, I tire of every statement being used as a "fact" that he is a malcontent. Like I said I watched the interview and sorry I just do not see what the BFD is. Ben has been put in the fire since early in his first season, winning SuperBowl QB in his second season, near death experience third season, and both a new HC and OC by the start of his fourth season. He has shown he can bounce back time and time again, he HAS been a good team mate, never once throwing any of his O-Linemen under the bus (unlike Peyton who did just that in 2005). How many QBs in the NFL has played behind as many combinations of O-Linemen and some pretty nondescript Linemen at that and yet does as good of job. Ben is the Steelers QB and as long as he is I will support him, call it the Kool-Aid if you will, but I am not going to drink the Kool-aid that is being served in this post.

Wallace108
05-26-2012, 12:20 AM
I am not going to drink the Kool-aid that is being served in this post.

And no one says you have to, Ricco. You're entitled to your opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine. And everyone else is entitled to theirs. Just because I criticize Ben doesn't mean I don't like him. Hell, I wear one of two jerseys on game days ... Troy and Ben. I just don't like the way he's handled himself after Arians was let go.:drink:

Wallace108
05-26-2012, 12:21 AM
Oops, double post. :doh:

tony hipchest
05-26-2012, 12:33 AM
And the biggest point of this whole article came from comments such as "its frustrating" or he says he needs more detailed skull sessions. Big whooping deal. The second day of OTA's, new OC, and new scheme in which the QB has to learn EVERYTHING, not just one receiver's route, but everything and he says what I believe to be an honest and simple answer. Basically he says I am struggling with my part and I need more time to get it right. I do believe he said to the effect he was working hard along with Haley to get it right.

Listen I know you guys are fans, some of you have been much longer than me. But just as you tire of what you perceive to be a lack of Bens commitment to Haley's scheme, I tire of every statement being used as a "fact" that he is a malcontent. Like I said I watched the interview and sorry I just do not see what the BFD is. Ben has been put in the fire since early in his first season, winning SuperBowl QB in his second season, near death experience third season, and both a new HC and OC by the start of his fourth season. He has shown he can bounce back time and time again, he HAS been a good team mate, never once throwing any of his O-Linemen under the bus (unlike Peyton who did just that in 2005). How many QBs in the NFL has played behind as many combinations of O-Linemen and some pretty nondescript Linemen at that and yet does as good of job. Ben is the Steelers QB and as long as he is I will support him, call it the Kool-Aid if you will, but I am not going to drink the Kool-aid that is being served in this post.

ive defended ben on a motorcycle w/o a helmet, in tahoe, with a drunk bitch in a bathroom, scrambling, taking sacks, everything.

i cant defend this incessant whining he does everytime a ****ing microphone is put in his face.

if he had no problem saying "no comment" in regards to what happened in that Goergia bathroom, he should have no problem saying he is gonna spend no more time addressing the supposedly silly, baiting questions. he doesnt have to take the bait.

the point of this article isnt from a single comment, it is from a number of comments. even one of bens biggest apologists, and one of arians biggest supporters is getting tired of it and telling ben to get over it. what does that tell everybody.

MACH1
05-26-2012, 12:34 AM
Oops, double post. :doh:

:pw:

MACH1
05-26-2012, 12:40 AM
ive defended ben on a motorcycle w/o a helmet, in tahoe, with a drunk bitch in a bathroom, scrambling, taking sacks, everything.

i cant defend this incessant whining he does everytime a ****ing microphone is put in his face.

if he had no problem saying "no comment" in regards to what happened in that Goergia bathroom, he should have no problem saying he is gonna spend no more time addressing the supposedly silly, baiting questions. he doesnt have to take the bait.

the point of this article isnt from a single comment, it is from a number of comments. even one of bens biggest apologists, and one of arians biggest supporters is getting tired of it and telling ben to get over it. what does that tell everybody.

It's the drama queen coming out in him. I take it with a grain of salt that ben speaks before he thinks most the time.

Then again maybe he's smarter than we all think and he's doin the jedi mind trick on us all. :chuckle:

Wallace108
05-26-2012, 12:52 AM
even one of bens biggest apologists, and one of arians biggest supporters is getting tired of it and telling ben to get over it. what does that tell everybody.

That's a great point.

As I've said, we're not talking about just one or two reporters with an ax to grind. We're talking about most of the beat writers in Pittsburgh, from various news outlets. And here's something else to consider ... NFL.com mentioned "whispers" about Ben. I guarantee reporters have been told things by players off the record. The reporters know more about what goes on than we do. If people don't have a problem with what Ben has been saying, that's fine. But I can't accept the argument that reporters are just making things up or taking everything he says out of context. One reporter? OK. Two reporters? Maybe. ALL of them? No.

For those who are tired of hearing about this, there's nothing in the Code of Conduct that says you have to read every thread on the board. Just don't read it. It's as simple as that. Because I'm not tired of talking about it. :chuckle:

:pw:
:sofunny: You caught me.

tony hipchest
05-26-2012, 12:54 AM
im glad you bring the drama queen thing up mach1. im one who thinks he has gotten an unfair shake in that regard. im probably in the minority that i dont think he has faked, exaggerated, or embellished his injuries or illness.

i just think he is 1 tough SOB. however, i am sill allowed to call a spade a spade when pointing out hes acting like a stubborn donkey in regards to having a new boss and learning a new playbook.

tanda10506
05-26-2012, 01:10 AM
im glad you bring the drama queen thing up mach1. im one who thinks he has gotten an unfair shake in that regard. im probably in the minority that i dont think he has faked, exaggerated, or embellished his injuries or illness. i just think he is 1 tough SOB.

I agree, tired of hearing the drama queen garbage, most of his injuries you can see i.e. a cast, glove, crooked nose, etc. And when they replay the plays that he gets injured on you see that it's always a really hard hit or a roll up on his legs. He hasn't faked anything in that regard.

MACH1
05-26-2012, 01:11 AM
im glad you bring the drama queen thing up mach1. im one who thinks he has gotten an unfair shake in that regard. im probably in the minority that i dont think he has faked, exaggerated, or embellished his injuries or illness.

i just think he is 1 tough SOB. however, i am sill allowed to call a spade a spade when pointing out hes acting like a stubborn donkey in regards to having a new boss and learning a new playbook.

I think thats about right. He doesn't like change, his bff is gone and the backyard mentality is gone. He's out of his comfort zone.

MACH1
05-26-2012, 01:13 AM
I agree, tired of hearing the drama queen garbage, most of his injuries you can see i.e. a cast, glove, crooked nose, etc. And when they replay the plays that he gets injured on you see that it's always a really hard hit or a roll up on his legs. He hasn't faked anything in that regard.

I'm not going to argue the obvious and known but the 104 temp and I think broken toe is still in question.

But I do believe he is the toughest SOB in the NFL.

Wallace108
05-26-2012, 01:20 AM
I think thats about right. He doesn't like change, his bff is gone and the backyard mentality is gone. He's out of his comfort zone.

I think that's spot on, and it's understandable. I don't blame him at all for the way he feels. I just wish he'd handle it better and not act like a kid who didn't get his way.

MACH1
05-26-2012, 01:32 AM
I think that's spot on, and it's understandable. I don't blame him at all for the way he feels. I just wish he'd handle it better and not act like a kid who didn't get his way.

Yeah a little professionalism goes a long ways in that regard. A least pretend your not butthurt over losing your golfing buddy.

tanda10506
05-26-2012, 01:34 AM
I'm not going to argue the obvious and known but the 104 temp and I think broken toe is still in question.

But I do believe he is the toughest SOB in the NFL.

Fair enough

TheVet
05-26-2012, 01:35 AM
Gotta admit, the whining is annoying - especially since Ben will be the biggest beneficiary from all these moves.

Wallace108
05-26-2012, 02:14 AM
Gotta admit, the whining is annoying - especially since Ben will be the biggest beneficiary from all these moves.
Exactly. I think once the offense starts kicking ass, Ben will talk glowingly about Haley. And he'll realize he was being a stubborn donkey, as hipchest would say.

One more point I want to make. I remember when Anthony Smith was baited into guaranteeing a victory against the Patriots. That was a case of a young player who didn't know how to handle the media. Ben is a veteran who knows how to handle the media. I've seen him do it rather well. I've seen him defend his guys (the O-line) when everyone, including us fans, were bashing them. He said all the right things to protect his guys. It would have been nice if he had put his personal feelings about Arians aside and said all the right things about his new coach.

I don't agree with the argument that Ben is our quarterback and he should be able to say whatever he wants to say. I was a Steelers fan long before Ben came here. I'll be a Steelers fan long after he's gone. No player is above the team. But by not welcoming the new coach from Day 1 and with some of his comments, he put his personal feelings above the team.

Bayz101
05-26-2012, 03:36 AM
Gotta admit, the whining is annoying - especially since Ben will be the biggest beneficiary from all these moves.

I agree, but we'll find out if the offense is efficient once the season starts. It can't be any worse than B.A. though :hatsoff:

Ben, regardless of whether or not it's taken out of context, please shush. Starting to sound like a broken record. I didn't believe Ben was really saying anything wrong, and I still don't, but i'm to the point to where i'm just tired of hearing all this...

Hawaii 5-0
05-26-2012, 03:08 PM
Exactly. I think once the offense starts kicking ass, Ben will talk glowingly about Haley. And he'll realize he was being a stubborn donkey, as hipchest would say.



however, herein lies a potential problem as well...

what if the offense doesn't click right away and Ben struggles at first?

Wallace108
05-26-2012, 05:11 PM
however, herein lies a potential problem as well...

what if the offense doesn't click right away and Ben struggles at first?

That's obviously a possibility. Actually, with a new offense and one if not two rookie linemen, I think it's more likely that the offense comes out of the gate slowly rather than firing on all cylinders. If that's the case, it'll be even more important for Ben to buy into the system and not have a "see, I told you so" attitude.

TRH
05-26-2012, 05:18 PM
I agree, but we'll find out if the offense is efficient once the season starts. It can't be any worse than B.A. though :hatsoff:

Ben, regardless of whether or not it's taken out of context, please shush. Starting to sound like a broken record. I didn't believe Ben was really saying anything wrong, and I still don't, but i'm to the point to where i'm just tired of hearing all this...

his last interview he did, Thurs or Fri it was, he actually changed his tone a bit, i think he was aware that he was starting to sound the same.
He actually said they were going through the growing pains and making progress.....sounded very positive.

Bayz101
05-26-2012, 08:27 PM
his last interview he did, Thurs or Fri it was, he actually changed his tone a bit, i think he was aware that he was starting to sound the same.
He actually said they were going through the growing pains and making progress.....sounded very positive.

I guess to truly satisfy someone he's going to have to lie through his teeth and say the playbook's easy as cake :hunch:

Hawaii 5-0
05-27-2012, 09:11 PM
Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger Admits To Issues With New Playbook

by GridironFans.com
May 25, 2012

http://gridironfans.com/forums/attachments/latest-nfl-headlines/37717d1337963207t-steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-admits-issues-new-8_ben_roethlisberger.jpg

Ben Roethlisberger's transition to new offensive coordinator Todd Haley's playbook is not going as smoothly as Steelers fans had hoped. Roethlisberger said Thursday that so far it's been "frustrating at times" but that he's going to put in "extra work" to understand what Haley wants him to do.

"I think coach (Haley) really wants to challenge us," Big Ben said on a radio interview, per the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. "Me, maybe, in particular, I think he felt like I was real comfortable with the old offense, which ... I don't know why that's a bad thing. But I'm not the head coach."

http://gridironfans.com/forums/showth...

tony hipchest
05-27-2012, 09:30 PM
"Me, maybe, in particular, I think he felt like I was real comfortable with the old offense, which ... I don't know why that's a bad thing. But I'm not the head coach."
.

....nor the owner who is paying you $100,000,000.

if ben dont like it, perhaps he should request a trade.

Time until the Big Ben pole polisher society arrives to applaud his "honesty" and cite how Brady and Manning are never the victim of such mistreatment from the FO- 5...4...3...2...1... :wink02: (kovacevic is penning another apologist article as we speak).

:applaudit:

Wallace108
05-27-2012, 10:18 PM
"Me, maybe, in particular, I think he felt like I was real comfortable with the old offense, which ... I don't know why that's a bad thing. But I'm not the head coach."

OK, the Ben apologists can spin this any way they want, but think about what he said:

"I think he felt like I was real comfortable with the old offense, which ... I don't know why that's a bad thing."


It's a bad thing because the old offense sucked!!! I don't even feel like getting into why it sucked, but everyone, including Rooney, knew that it did. And that's why Arians is gone. Ben was BFFs with Arians. We get it. But move on Ben. Arians is gone and he isn't coming back. Like the title of this thread says .... get over it.

And the comment "But I'm not the head coach." ... he's saying: I disagree with what's happening, but I'm not the head coach .... it's not my call.

Do you guys honestly think he's gotten over it?

Bayz101
05-27-2012, 10:28 PM
OK, the Ben apologists can spin this any way they want, but think about what he said:

"I think he felt like I was real comfortable with the old offense, which ... I don't know why that's a bad thing."


It's a bad thing because the old offense sucked!!! I don't even feel like getting into why it sucked, but everyone, including Rooney, knew that it did. And that's why Arians is gone. Ben was BFFs with Arians. We get it. But move on Ben. Arians is gone and he isn't coming back. Like the title of this thread says .... get over it.

And the comment "But I'm not the head coach." ... he's saying: I disagree with what's happening, but I'm not the head coach .... it's not my call.

Do you guys honestly think he's gotten over it?

Of course he hasn't got over it. He'll live though.

Wallace108
05-27-2012, 10:37 PM
Of course he hasn't got over it. He'll live though.
Wait, all along you've been arguing that the media has been making shit up and taking his words out of context. Now you're finally agreeing that he really hasn't gotten over it? You're coming around. :chuckle:

Bayz, as I've said before, we're spoiled. Things usually go well for the Steelers, and we expect them to always go well. But that's being naive. Things aren't always going to go well.

For those of you who think some of us are just being stupid, or the Pittsburgh media is just making shit up, read every word of this story from Marc Sessler of NFL.com. This is coming from someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight. ...........

Under Pressure: Todd Haley

In the quiet moments after Wednesday's voluntary practice, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was asked if he and new offensive coordinator Todd Haley are on the same page yet.

"Well, that's the goal," Roethlisberger told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. "I'm going to put in extra work to learn his offense and try to get there."

Pressed to sum up the first OTA practice running Haley's offense, Roethlisberger was honest: "It was frustrating. It gets frustrating at times. But we'll keep learning."

Something doesn't feel right in Pittsburgh. It has a lot to do with Haley's awkward arrival. Let's revisit how this went down:

1a. When the Steelers dispatched longtime coordinator Bruce Arians, they parted ways with a Roethlisberger confidante. The men were friends. They lived near each. Logged long hours talking football. Arians attended Ben's wedding. They were tight. This might seem trivial to you, but when the team dropped Arians without consulting their quarterback, feelings were hurt. On the field, the offense Big Ben had thrived in under Arians from 2007 to 2011 was history. At age 30, Big Ben is being asked to start over.

1b. Haley was hired without consulting Roethlisberger. Not a requirement, of course, but why not extend the olive branch? Haley is installing an offense players are calling "90 percent" different from last season's scheme. Big Ben was asked about that during a recent radio interview, per the Tribune-Review: "Uhhhh ... I think coach (Haley) really wants to challenge us. Me, maybe, in particular," Big Ben said. "I think he felt like I was real comfortable with the old offense, which ... I don't know why that's a bad thing. But I'm not the head coach."

On one level, suck it up, Big Ben. From another angle, why toy with a good thing in Pittsburgh?

3. Haley appears hell-bent on returning the Steelers to a ground-first attack. Slightly puzzling considering Pittsburgh's talented wideouts in a league increasingly obsessed with the passing attack. In New England, Bill Belichick recruits talented, versatile tight ends to offset Rex Ryan's pass rushers. In Pittsburgh, Haley is turning tight end David Johnson into a full-time fullback, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Running back Isaac Redman confirmed to the paper the team will stress the run game in 2012. It better work.

4. A final note: These are the Pittsburgh Steelers. A model franchise. Why? Because in a league where coaches barely unpack their boxes before they're sent on their way again, the Steelers have remained a consistent powerhouse. The team conjures thoughts of solid personnel moves, loyalty to players and the remarkable Rooneys. This entire episode -- from Arians to Haley -- is Pittsburgh finally blinking. The star quarterback's irritated and the team is moving away from what worked for so long. Haley sits at the center of a coming storm. He must replicate or surpass Arians' success this year -- or the fallout could be fierce.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829567fc/printable/todd-haley-needs-to-make-it-up-to-roethlisberger



Some of us have said that something isn't right in Pittsburgh.You can put your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Or maybe you subscribe to this philosophy:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TaZr3tzNnVo/S_Sh3I-owVI/AAAAAAAABZo/GOTsMtHKEug/s1600/monkeys-hear-no-evil-see-no-evil-speak-no-evil.jpg

Ben needs to get his shit figured out. No one here is predicting doom and gloom, especially not me. But it all depends on Ben getting over it.

Steelersfan87
05-27-2012, 11:13 PM
These comments were from THURSDAY and already posted in like 8 articles already discussed in this thread. When is it time for the fans to "get over it"? The 9th time the same quotes are used in a different article?

Who really cares if establishing a new offense is still frustrating in the first OTA of the year? It would be pretty damn surprising if it wasn't, especially if Arians' offense was so simplistic and just plain bad as everybody says it was.

Ricco Suavez
05-27-2012, 11:19 PM
No such thing as a Ben apologists when you have nothing to apologize for. beating a dead horse seven ways from Sunday still doesnt change anything. Wallace you wrote if this was no big deal then why do I keep posting. If it WAS a big deal then perhaps you would not feel the need to keep stirring the pot. Sorry we dont see eye to eye but this has gotten outta hand.:coffee:

Wallace108
05-27-2012, 11:26 PM
These comments were from THURSDAY and already posted in like 8 articles already discussed in this thread. .
Tonight was the first time I saw that article. I apologize for having a life and not reading every article on every site the day it comes out or reading every post on this board. :hatsoff:

When is it time for the fans to "get over it"? The 9th time the same quotes are used in a different article?
I'm calling bullshit. The quotes I highlighted, show me the 9 times they appeared in this thread. :popcorn:

Who really cares if establishing a new offense is still frustrating in the first OTA of the year? It would be pretty damn surprising if it wasn't, especially if Arians' offense was so simplistic and just plain bad as everybody says it was.
Dude, you're only hearing what you want to hear. This isn't just about the OTAs and learning the offense. It's about everything Ben has said since Arians got canned.

Wallace108
05-27-2012, 11:31 PM
No such thing as a Ben apologists when you have nothing to apologize for. beating a dead horse seven ways from Sunday still doesnt change anything. Wallace you wrote if this was no big deal then why do I keep posting. If it WAS a big deal then perhaps you would not feel the need to keep stirring the pot. Sorry we dont see eye to eye but this has gotten outta hand.:coffee:

Ricco, go back and read what you wrote.

You don't think this is a big deal, yet you keep coming back to this thread.
I DO think it's a big deal, yet you think I should stay away from this thread.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

Ricco Suavez
05-27-2012, 11:32 PM
All I would say to any Steeler fan is to watch some of these interviews in real time with an open mind. Do not read these articles with their Quote Unquote Quotes and then highly flammable comments of their own. Watch the interview, watch the people on screen, listen to the questions and answers, then draw your own conclusions. If you have an open mind it really is no Big Deal. But yea if you want to drag old news in from Feb when Arians was first canned then you can make a case Ben is being difficult. But from just the interview in question, sorry I dont see it.

Ricco Suavez
05-27-2012, 11:36 PM
Ricco, go back and read what you wrote.

You don't think this is a big deal, yet you keep coming back to this thread.
I DO think it's a big deal, yet you think I should stay away from this thread.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

Pretty strait forward if you read. I think you want to make this a bigger deal than it really is and you keep stirring the pot. You tried the same thing at Steeler Extreme and it faded away pretty quick. We do not see eye to eye on this and your added comments to every quote you find certainly shows your feelings about it. I just think we should take more of a wait and see attitude before we condemn Ben for pulling the rug on this new offense and OC.

Wallace108
05-27-2012, 11:37 PM
All I would say to any Steeler fan is to watch some of these interviews in real time with an open mind. Do not read these articles with their Quote Unquote Quotes and then highly flammable comments of their own. Watch the interview, watch the people on screen, listen to the questions and answers, then draw your own conclusions. If you have an open mind it really is no Big Deal. But yea if you want to drag old news in from Feb when Arians was first canned then you can make a case Ben is being difficult. But from just the interview in question, sorry I dont see it.
Just out of curiosity, name one Steelers player you hate.

Wallace108
05-27-2012, 11:40 PM
Pretty strait forward if you read. I think you want to make this a bigger deal than it really is and you keep stirring the pot. You tried the same thing at Steeler Extreme and it faded away pretty quick. We do not see eye to eye on this and your added comments to every quote you find certainly shows your feelings about it. I just think we should take more of a wait and see attitude before we condemn Ben for pulling the rug on this new offense and OC.

I remember we had a debate at Xtreme, but I don't recall what it was. Refresh my memory.

Steelersfan87
05-27-2012, 11:49 PM
Tonight was the first time I saw that article. I apologize for having a life and not reading every article on every site the day it comes out or reading every post on this board. :hatsoff:


I'm calling bullshit. The quotes I highlighted, show me the 9 times they appeared in this thread. :popcorn:


Dude, you're only hearing what you want to hear. This isn't just about the OTAs and learning the offense. It's about everything Ben has said since Arians got canned.

I would show you the various instances of these quotes in articles posted on this forum if this website's search function was working. I just tried to search like 10 times and it's all screwed up. However, the quote is used in the original article from this very thread...and that article is from Wednesday. And that article says that the quote is from a radio interview from the week before. So that means that this is really old news at this point. And you definitely responded to this thread more than once, so you've seen it before. So much for trying to get kudos for "having a life"...

As for the last bit. Do you really think that anything that happened in February and March still matters now? Do you really think there are residual effects of Ben and Haley not having a face to face meeting right away? And more importantly, why are you so concerned about the health of their relationship? Wasn't your issue that Ben and Bruce were too close? Ben said that their relationship is growing every day...by the time training camp comes along, Haley is going to be standing outside of restrooms for Ben with Colon. This is all much ado about nothing until proven otherwise. If Arians' offense was so bad and simplistic, why can't you people grant Ben a period of frustration as he learns how an NFL-caliber offense is supposed to look like? :flap: All of this will be gone by week 3 of the preseason and all the people in this thread will never talk about it again for fear of looking like negative Nancys overreacting to gossip and nonsense.

Ricco Suavez
05-27-2012, 11:50 PM
I dont hate any Steeler player. Is there some I would not shed a tear if they left, yea. Has there been some I was glad they left, oh yea. Is there former players that are now announcers or commentators that I cant stand in the booth, hell yea.We have players that sometimes stink it up on the field and Ben has too at times, bash his or anyones performance. I just think interviews done on the first day of OTA's should not have so much read into them. I do not even hate Arians, but I agree it was time to go.

I got no problem with you bashing a player, esp. if he deserves it. I do not like anyone continually getting bashed when I see no problem with what they say or do. Some people have bashed James and Clark for their tweets, and while I may not like what they say I will defend them in their right to do so. I will defend your right to do the same, But I think you add your own comments, highlight certain quotes, and bring up past behavior to reinforce your opinion. You do it well. I on the other hand take things at face value, like I said I watched the interview. I cannot win an internet discussion no more than you can, I just tire of seeing this particular post being put front and center when it is still so early into this new offense and adjusting period between Haley and his QB.

Ricco Suavez
05-27-2012, 11:54 PM
I remember we had a debate at Xtreme, but I don't recall what it was. Refresh my memory.

We didnt have a debate, thats the point you started the same thread on Exteme and it fizzed pretty quick but you tried. Basically most people said it was nothing and you had no back up so it died quickly, here you have a few more Ben Bashers that are more than happy to jump on any thread that they can use new material. Their old material is just that OLD.

Wallace108
05-28-2012, 12:10 AM
We didnt have a debate, thats the point you started the same thread on Exteme and it fizzed pretty quick but you tried. Basically most people said it was nothing and you had no back up so it died quickly, here you have a few more Ben Bashers that are more than happy to jump on any thread that they can use new material. Their old material is just that OLD.

The debate ended because you stopped coming to Xtreme. Come back and we can continue it. :chuckle:

I'll address your guys' comments, but I'm taking a break. Remember one thing. We can disagree about things, but we're all Steelers fans and want what's best for the team. :drink:

stb_steeler
05-28-2012, 12:27 AM
That "selfish simpleton" has helped this team to two Super Bowl titles. He constantly gets bombarded by the media looking to make him look bad to get a story. Things he says are always getting blown out of proportion. The Ben haters such as yourself are the ones that need to get over it. He's part of this team and he's entitled to his opinion.

Kinda makes ya wonder if some people really are fans.....:noidea:

Wallace108
05-28-2012, 12:45 AM
Kinda makes ya wonder if some people really are fans.....:noidea:

Define fan for me.

And then define homer.




However, the quote is used in the original article from this very thread...and that article is from Wednesday. And that article says that the quote is from a radio interview from the week before. So that means that this is really old news at this point. And you definitely responded to this thread more than once, so you've seen it before. So much for trying to get kudos for "having a life"...
I'm not sure what quote you're talking about. The article I posted was published two days ago. It has some old news in it, but everything I highlighted is new and has not been posted in this thread.

Do you really think that anything that happened in February and March still matters now? Do you really think there are residual effects of Ben and Haley not having a face to face meeting right away?
Yes. And apparently so does Ben. That's the point.

If Arians' offense was so bad and simplistic, why can't you people grant Ben a period of frustration as he learns how an NFL-caliber offense is supposed to look like? :flap:
I don't have a problem with Ben struggling to learn the new offense. My problem is that Ben is still pissed that Arians was canned. And his bitterness keeps showing up in almost every interview.

All of this will be gone by week 3 of the preseason and all the people in this thread will never talk about it again for fear of looking like negative Nancys overreacting to gossip and nonsense.
Hey, I hope you're right. I really do. But it still won't change the fact that Ben is acting like a little kid who didn't get his way.

Steelersfan87
05-28-2012, 12:54 AM
1) I was talking about your first post today.

2) Ben thinks there are residual effects of not having met Haley for a week? Huh?

3) So the guy can't make a couple of passive aggressive remarks over the course of 4 months when he keeps getting asked the same thing? At this point, Dodger fans know about Ben and Arians because everybody keeps asking him the same question and he keeps answering it. Maybe you're hearing what you want to hear instead of insisting that everybody that disagrees with you is hearing what they want to hear. Maybe he's really okay and is just adjusting to his new surroundings and is frustrated in the process because, you know, it's kind of hard.

4) He's acting like an adult who was forced into change that he thought was unnecessary. He's a guy that throws a ball around a field of grass to other people that catch it. He's not a diplomat. He wasn't hired for his disposition...

Bayz101
05-28-2012, 01:00 AM
Wait, all along you've been arguing that the media has been making shit up and taking his words out of context. Now you're finally agreeing that he really hasn't gotten over it? You're coming around. :chuckle:

Bayz, as I've said before, we're spoiled. Things usually go well for the Steelers, and we expect them to always go well. But that's being naive. Things aren't always going to go well.

For those of you who think some of us are just being stupid, or the Pittsburgh media is just making shit up, read every word of this story from Marc Sessler of NFL.com. This is coming from someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight. ...........





Some of us have said that something isn't right in Pittsburgh.You can put your head in the sand if it makes you feel better. Or maybe you subscribe to this philosophy:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TaZr3tzNnVo/S_Sh3I-owVI/AAAAAAAABZo/GOTsMtHKEug/s1600/monkeys-hear-no-evil-see-no-evil-speak-no-evil.jpg

Ben needs to get his shit figured out. No one here is predicting doom and gloom, especially not me. But it all depends on Ben getting over it.

I'm still not so sure he's doing anything wrong, but after the fifth article posted about his feelings regarding Haley's offense, I started losing patience. At this point he'd be better off just shutting up about it. It's making for a LONG offseason.

EDIT: I've known since day one that he's still upset over the change in OC, but that wasn't really the point I was trying to concur. I was in honest belief that the media was making mountains out of mole hills. Hell, they still are, but Ben sure isn't helping matters any.

Wallace108
05-28-2012, 01:09 AM
1) I was talking about your first post today..
If you're talking about the quote I think you're talking about, show me where it appeared in this thread before.

2) Ben thinks there are residual effects of not having met Haley for a week? Huh?.
I never said Ben thinks that. Show me where I said that.

3) Maybe he's really okay and is just adjusting to his new surroundings and is frustrated in the process because, you know, it's kind of hard.
Ben makes millions of dollars a year, and his best friend got fired. Yeah, that sucks. Six years ago, I had my hours switched at work, without my consent. I went from working days to working nights. I get to see my wife and kids only on the two days a week I'm off work. Three of my good friends at work were laid off in the past four years. Two years ago we got a new boss who came in and changed everything that we do. And I don't get paid millions of dollars a year. So excuse me if my heart doesn't bleed for Ben and his loss of Arians and having to learn a new offense.

Steelersfan87
05-28-2012, 01:18 AM
1) Dude, it's in the first post.

2) You responded to my question about that weeklong "standoff" that you quoted, and you said yes.

3) Do you have reporters stick a microphone in your mouth every time you enter and exit work and go on lunch break? Also, it doesn't matter how much money he makes.

Wallace108
05-28-2012, 01:23 AM
I'm still not so sure he's doing anything wrong, but after the fifth article posted about his feelings regarding Haley's offense, I started losing patience. At this point he'd be better off just shutting up about it. It's making for a LONG offseason.

EDIT: I've known since day one that he's still upset over the change in OC, but that wasn't really the point I was trying to concur. I was in honest belief that the media was making mountains out of mole hills. Hell, they still are, but Ben sure isn't helping matters any.
There's two ways of looking at this:
1. Ben is stupid and doesn't understand what he's saying.
2. Ben is smart and knows damn well what he's saying.

I think it's No. 2. Ben is smart, and he knows exactly what he's saying. He's not a rookie who is getting baited into making dumb comments. We can blame the reporters all we want for asking the questions. But it's up to Ben to choose how he answers them.

If you don't think Ben is saying anything wrong, that's fine. We can disagree on that. But we can't blame the reporters for asking the questions and writing the stories. That's their job. Ben can put an end to all of it if he wanted to.

Bayz101
05-28-2012, 01:23 AM
1) Dude, it's in the first post.

2) You responded to my question about that weeklong "standoff" that you quoted, and you said yes.

3) Do you have reporters stick a microphone in your mouth every time you enter and exit work and go on lunch break? Also, it doesn't matter how much money he makes.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac348/Vezcelin/Random/images.jpg

Bayz101
05-28-2012, 01:25 AM
There's two ways of looking at this:
1. Ben is stupid and doesn't understand what he's saying.
2. Ben is smart and knows damn well what he's saying.

I think it's No. 2. Ben is smart, and he knows exactly what he's saying. He's not a rookie who is getting baited into making dumb comments. We can blame the reporters all we want for asking the questions. But it's up to Ben to choose how he answers them.

If you don't think Ben is saying anything wrong, that's fine. We can disagree on that. But we can't blame the reporters for asking the questions and writing the stories. That's their job. Ben can put an end to all of it if he wanted to.

Well hey, it's not that bad...

http://blog.drphil.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/NSPILogo_lg.jpg

:chuckle:

Wallace108
05-28-2012, 01:36 AM
1) Dude, it's in the first post.
OK, I see what you're talking about now. You're right. I never noticed that quote in the original post. But when the quote was made doesn't change anything. I don't care if he said it on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday of this week or last week. The point is that he said it.

3) Do you have reporters stick a microphone in your mouth every time you enter and exit work and go on lunch break? Also, it doesn't matter how much money he makes.
I work in the media, so technically I do have to talk to reporters every time I enter and exit work. :sofunny:

I think it does matter how much money he makes. Give me a few million dollars a year and I'll gladly answer the same ****ing questions day after day. :flap:
I don't think answering questions is the hardest part of his job.

Steelersfan87
05-28-2012, 01:48 AM
No, it's dealing with random no names bellyaching about your answers. :chuckle:

Look, I really think the bottom line is this: in a couple months, none of this will mean anything at all. It'll be a complete non-story. Ben will eventually adjust to having Haley there instead of Arians, he's get into the groove of the new offense and the way they expect him to play, and they'll play ball. I'm personally waiting for the season just as much so that stuff like this won't be the topic of the day as I am because I want to see some football.

Wallace108
05-28-2012, 01:58 AM
Look, I really think the bottom line is this: in a couple months, none of this will mean anything at all. It'll be a complete non-story. Ben will eventually adjust to having Haley there instead of Arians, he's get into the groove of the new offense and the way they expect him to play, and they'll play ball.
You're probably right, but I still don't like the comments he's been making.

I'm personally waiting for the season just as much so that stuff like this won't be the topic of the day as I am because I want to see some football.
There's not a lot to talk about right now. You know you enjoy it. :chuckle:

Hawaii 5-0
05-28-2012, 09:20 PM
Todd Haley needs to make it up to Roethlisberger

By Marc Sessler
Published: May 25, 2012

Around the League will examine one key figure under pressure on each team heading into the 2012 season. Next up: the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Under Pressure: Todd Haley

In the quiet moments after Wednesday's voluntary practice, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was asked if he and new offensive coordinator Todd Haley are on the same page yet.

"Well, that's the goal," Roethlisberger told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. "I'm going to put in extra work to learn his offense and try to get there."

Pressed to sum up the first OTA practice running Haley's offense, Roethlisberger was honest: "It was frustrating. It gets frustrating at times. But we'll keep learning."

Something doesn't feel right in Pittsburgh. It has a lot to do with Haley's awkward arrival. Let's revisit how this went down:

1a. When the Steelers dispatched longtime coordinator Bruce Arians, they parted ways with a Roethlisberger confidante. The men were friends. They lived near each. Logged long hours talking football. Arians attended Ben's wedding. They were tight. This might seem trivial to you, but when the team dropped Arians without consulting their quarterback, feelings were hurt. On the field, the offense Big Ben had thrived in under Arians from 2007 to 2011 was history. At age 30, Big Ben is being asked to start over.

1b. Haley was hired without consulting Roethlisberger. Not a requirement, of course, but why not extend the olive branch? Haley is installing an offense players are calling "90 percent" different from last season's scheme. Big Ben was asked about that during a recent radio interview, per the Tribune-Review: "Uhhhh ... I think coach (Haley) really wants to challenge us. Me, maybe, in particular," Big Ben said. "I think he felt like I was real comfortable with the old offense, which ... I don't know why that's a bad thing. But I'm not the head coach."

On one level, suck it up, Big Ben. From another angle, why toy with a good thing in Pittsburgh?

3. Haley appears hell-bent on returning the Steelers to a ground-first attack. Slightly puzzling considering Pittsburgh's talented wideouts in a league increasingly obsessed with the passing attack. In New England, Bill Belichick recruits talented, versatile tight ends to offset Rex Ryan's pass rushers. In Pittsburgh, Haley is turning tight end David Johnson into a full-time fullback, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Running back Isaac Redman confirmed to the paper the team will stress the run game in 2012. It better work.

4. A final note: These are the Pittsburgh Steelers. A model franchise. Why? Because in a league where coaches barely unpack their boxes before they're sent on their way again, the Steelers have remained a consistent powerhouse. The team conjures thoughts of solid personnel moves, loyalty to players and the remarkable Rooneys. This entire episode -- from Arians to Haley -- is Pittsburgh finally blinking. The star quarterback's irritated and the team is moving away from what worked for so long. Haley sits at the center of a coming storm. He must replicate or surpass Arians' success this year -- or the fallout could be fierce.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829567fc/article/todd-haley-needs-to-make-it-up-to-roethlisberger?module=HP11_hot_topics

tony hipchest
05-28-2012, 09:33 PM
"I'm going to put in extra work to learn his offense and try to get there."



...do or do not. there is no "try"

q3hn6fFTxeo

'nuff said. :coffee:

tony hipchest
05-28-2012, 09:43 PM
luke skywalker was always my favorite movie character growing up, but after seeing the movies dozens of times one has to admit he was kinda a whiny lil bitch at times. han solo never whined and got to eventually see princess lea in the "jabba's lair" outfit every night in the bedroom but still, luke was the hero and always my favorite. maybe it is because he had more to learn than any other character in the triology. :noidea:

sure it sucked that obiwan kenobi was killed by the evil dark force known as art II d2, but yoda came along and proved to be better. :helmet:

Bayz101
05-28-2012, 09:46 PM
luke skywalker was always my favorite movie character growing up, but after seeing the movies dozens of times one has to admit he was kinda a whiny lil bitch at times. han solo never whined and got to eventually see princess lea in the "jabba's lair" outfit every night in the bedroom but still, luke was the hero and always my favorite. maybe it is because he had more to learn than any other character in the triology. :noidea:

sure it sucked that obiwan kenobi was killed by the evil dark force known as art II d2, but yoda came along and proved to be better. :helmet:

:applaudit:

Steelersfan87
05-28-2012, 10:13 PM
I think it's worth noting that the story Wallace108 posted (and the one that was just re-posted--the NFL.com story written by Marc Sessler) is part of a series of articles examining people that are supposedly "under pressure". The articles are written with a certain bent to make the situation seem as dire as it can possibly be: "Around the League will examine one key figure under pressure on each team heading into the 2012 season."

Hawaii 5-0
05-29-2012, 04:51 PM
Ben Roethlisberger sees progress in Steelers’ offense

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 29, 2012

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/roethlisbergerhaley.jpg?w=146

The questions about whether Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and new offensive coordinator Todd Haley can work well together won’t go away until it happens in the regular season, but for his part Roethlisberger says things are running smoothly during Organized Team Activities.

Roethlisberger told ESPN’s Josina Anderson that he and his offensive teammates are getting a better idea of what’s expected of them in Haley’s offense, and they’re making progress toward understanding all the finer points of the system.

“Every day we’re getting a little bit better, learning something new every day and taking the things we know and trying to apply little things to it — you see the receivers and I talking after plays, we’ll talk about ‘Take this many steps, and not this,’ and that’s making progress,” he said.

As for his personal relationship with Haley, Roethlisberger says they’re in constant communication and learning how to work well together.

“We’ve had some good talks,” Roethlisberger said. “And it’s both ways, what makes me better, how does he want to be communicated with and how do I want to be communicated with. We’ve done some really good talking, outside of just on the field, and in between periods. I think we’ve made some good progress.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/29/ben-roethlisberger-sees-progress-in-steelers-offense/

Bayz101
05-29-2012, 04:55 PM
I wonder what argument will be made about that...It's only a matter of time.

Ricco Suavez
05-29-2012, 06:40 PM
In defense of Luke Skywalker, Leia was his sister. I mean unless your Joe Dirt that is JUST WRONG.:sofunny:

tony hipchest
05-29-2012, 06:57 PM
im your sister... im your sister.... im your sister...

:chuckle: i was flippin through the chanels just 2 days ago and stopped watch that part on comedy central.

kudos to ben for finally having something positive today when sportscenter had its OTA visit. no jabs... no backhanded comments.

just "im working harder than ever and things are improving". :applaudit:

that all ive wanted to see from the team leader all along.

tony hipchest
05-29-2012, 10:55 PM
Defending what? There's nothing to defend. If the offense struggles due to Ben not "getting it" when they start playing for keeps, then let me know. Until then, this is nothing more than a bunch of scribes trying to justify their jobs by creating "news" where there is none. And a chock full of fans eating it up and coming back for more.

still not sure where this silly notion comes from that reporters make up the news... :noidea:

:rolleyes:

"Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, linebacker James Harrison, safety Troy Polamalu, cornerback Ike Taylor and wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery were all given the day off."



I guess Harrison's, Polamalu's, Taylor's and Cotchery's "wittle heads" all hurt too. Jump to conclusions much? :coffee:

WHOOOOOSH!!!!!

sarcasm fly over your head much?

That's a great point.

As I've said, we're not talking about just one or two reporters with an ax to grind. We're talking about most of the beat writers in Pittsburgh, from various news outlets. And here's something else to consider ... NFL.com mentioned "whispers" about Ben. I guarantee reporters have been told things by players off the record. The reporters know more about what goes on than we do. If people don't have a problem with what Ben has been saying, that's fine. But I can't accept the argument that reporters are just making things up or taking everything he says out of context. One reporter? OK. Two reporters? Maybe. ALL of them? No.

.YOU ARE WRONG!

m. kaboly admitted as much today (via twitter which really get the haters blood a boiling)-

Mark Kaboly‏@MarkKaboly_Trib

Actually lot of news coming out of Day 4 of OTAs. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get players to confirm so I could write. #RulesAreRuleRules


oh wait... most savy with the business will know what team rules he is speaking of. others will keep on keepin on with the "ZOMG!!!! THA meida is the EVIL"!!!

maybe he was just trying to create news by not creating news. :willy:

Wallace108
05-30-2012, 12:09 AM
I wonder what argument will be made about that...It's only a matter of time.
Wrong. Ben finally stopped whining and said something positive about the new offense. :applaudit:

And Bayz, the notion that people here respect Ben for speaking his mind and not giving bullshit answers is crap. If your wife asks you if her new dress makes her look fat, do you tell her, "Yes, you look like a whale"? No, you lie and head off any unnecessary drama. Let's hope Mrs. Roethlisberger doesn't change her hair style and ask Ben's opinion. :chuckle:

m. kaboly admitted as much today (via twitter which really get the haters blood a boiling)-

Mark Kaboly‏@MarkKaboly_Trib

Actually lot of news coming out of Day 4 of OTAs. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get players to confirm so I could write. #RulesAreRuleRules


I don't believe it. Kaboly is a reporter and couldn't possibly know things that we don't know, unless it's just stuff that he made up. :wink02:

Wallace108
05-30-2012, 01:50 AM
By Mark Kaboly - Tribune-Review
Published: Wednesday, May 30, 2012

It may just be a personality quirk, but Steelers safety Ryan Clark is a guy who always speaks his mind.

“I probably talk a little too much,” Clark said following an offseason workout session Tuesday.

The malcontented version of Clark may be a thing of the past: He plans to tone it down this season.

“I may be a little less controversial so the young guys can just play and not deal about hearing things about me,” Clark said. “I told my wife that I am going to try to stay out of trouble this year. Hopefully, I will.”

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/1879650-85/clark-safety-steelers-season-bowl-deal-defense-game-guys-ryan


Hmmmm, so Clark believes that he needs to watch what he says because it might affect the younger players. :scratchchin:

Steelersfan87
05-30-2012, 02:45 AM
Wow, the two examples don't compare at all. And as far as this nonsense about Ben never saying anything positive about the offense before, every single day of OTAs he's been talking about progress and improvement and "getting there". You can't ask for more than that. This thing with you two is starting to turn into an obsession. Now you're starting to hallucinate and draw absurd parallels. Ryan Clark is far more outspoken than Ben and has said far more controversial things, most recently about bountygate. Roethlisberger just made a handful of passive aggressive remarks about not agreeing that the offense needed a new coordinator. I mean come on...it's starting to get ridiculous. Let's just see what he has to say tomorrow, shall we?

tony hipchest
05-30-2012, 03:09 AM
sorry dodens, but you are on dope and hallucinating if you cant see the similarities between big ben and luke skywalker.

:coffee:

TRH
05-30-2012, 09:01 AM
Wow, the two examples don't compare at all. And as far as this nonsense about Ben never saying anything positive about the offense before, every single day of OTAs he's been talking about progress and improvement and "getting there". You can't ask for more than that. This thing with you two is starting to turn into an obsession. Now you're starting to hallucinate and draw absurd parallels. Ryan Clark is far more outspoken than Ben and has said far more controversial things, most recently about bountygate. Roethlisberger just made a handful of passive aggressive remarks about not agreeing that the offense needed a new coordinator. I mean come on...it's starting to get ridiculous. Let's just see what he has to say tomorrow, shall we?




you're exactly right.
Ben's been positive about all of this and anyone who says otherwise is dissecting and twisting words around.
I'm starting to think this IS THE most ridiculous thread created on this site since i've been visiting a year and a half ago.

Hawaii 5-0
05-31-2012, 12:10 AM
Stewart weighs in on Haley and Ben

May 30, 2012
Teresa Varley - Steelers.com

Former Steelers quarterback Kordell Stewart, who officially retired on Wednesday from the NFL, spent one season with the Chicago Bears when Todd Haley was their wide receivers coach.

Stewart, now an NFL analyst on ESPN, said he loved Haley’s passion for the game and the way he always looked out for the players.

“He was passionate. He was all about his players,” said Stewart. “He wanted to make sure his guys knew he was there for them and no one else. There was an altercation one game. We were playing Oakland at Soldier Field. We weren’t playing good that day, but we were playing good enough to win. One fan came from the stands to the railing and started running his mouth. All of a sudden Coach Haley came out of nowhere and gave the guy a piece of his mind. I said I don’t want to get you in trouble, but he said he shouldn’t be talking to you guys like that. If every coach had that kind of fight in him, I think a lot of teams would have more wins than losses.”

At the same time, though, Stewart said Haley is also tough on the players because he sees the potential in them and wants to bring it to the forefront.

“What you have here with Coach Haley is a guy who is going to be hard on you because he wants to get the best out of you,” said Stewart. “He won’t spoil you. He won’t make you feel good about yourself. He is going to make you work.”

Ben Roethlisberger has voiced concerns about learning Haley’s offense and Stewart knows that it’s going to take time, but he feels it will pay dividends in the end.

“They have to work together,” said Stewart. “Rome wasn’t built in a day. It’s going to take some time. With change there is going to be some unknown situations. You are going to be uncomfortable. With time it’s going to show how good it’s going to be. No one guy is bigger than the next is the mindset Coach Haley is bringing in here and that’s healthy for this team.”

Stewart also said he is impressed with the way Roethlisberger plays, and when asked if Haley can take him to another level, he thinks he is right where he needs to be.

“What level? Another Super Bowl?” asked Stewart back. “He won two and went to one and lost. This game is not easy. It’s a hard game to get up for every week and every year to win, let alone go to a Super Bowl. I think Ben is in a position where he needs to understand what is being implemented in the offense for it to work as well as Todd Haley understanding his personnel. It has to be a 50-50 thing. Ben going to another level, I think personally he is fine. He is probably the toughest quarterback in the league as far as playing with injuries, being able to elude the defenders and throwing the ball in an unorthodox position.

“The kid is where he needs to be. It’s just a matter of catching on to the system and keep doing what he has been doing and don’t worry about nothing else around him and just play the game.”

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Stewart-weighs-in-on-Haley-and-Ben/ec05374b-2155-4ee4-b27f-dc9062f5bb99

Wallace108
05-31-2012, 12:15 AM
Ben Roethlisberger has voiced concerns about learning Haley’s offense
Someone should inform Steelers.com that Ben most certainly has not voiced any concerns. It was all taken out of context. Steelers.com is obviously against Ben and the Steelers and is just making stuff up. :wink02:

tony hipchest
05-31-2012, 12:55 AM
Someone should inform Steelers.com that Ben most certainly has not voiced any concerns. It was all taken out of context. Steelers.com is obviously against Ben and the Steelers and is just making stuff up. :wink02:

hater. :coffee:

Wallace108
05-31-2012, 01:17 AM
Ben's been positive about all of this and anyone who says otherwise is dissecting and twisting words around.
Teresa Varley of Steelers.com says otherwise. :noidea: Almost every Steelers beat writer says otherwise. Plenty of national analysts say otherwise. The only ones who don't say otherwise is Ben and Steelers fans. And I wonder why that is? :scratchchin:

I'm starting to think this IS THE most ridiculous thread created on this site since i've been visiting a year and a half ago.
You obviously haven't seen the I'm Soooooo Bored thread. :sofunny:

hater. :coffee:

:chuckle:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0cdbrqqfb1rqfhi2o1_500.gif

Hawaii 5-0
05-31-2012, 02:35 AM
Roethlisberger: Fans Got What They Wanted With New Run-Oriented Offense

May 30, 2012

PITTSBURGH (93-7 The FAN) — Steelers Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger talked with Joe Starkey of Seibel, Starkey and Miller on Sportsradio 93-7 The FAN about the teams new offense and how it’s coming together.

When it comes to running the ball more like some players have talked about, Ben said the fans are finally getting what they want by seeing the team return to their old way despite having an elite QB and a great group of young wide receivers.

Ben did say that his sandlot style of play will most likely be even more prevalent this year because like his rookie year, he won’t know the playbook inside and out, and will have to improvise more.

click on link below to listen to audio:

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/roethlisberger-fans-got-what-they-wanted-with-new-run-oriented-offense/

Fire Arians
05-31-2012, 02:49 AM
Roethlisberger: Fans Got What They Wanted With New Run-Oriented Offense

May 30, 2012

PITTSBURGH (93-7 The FAN) — Steelers Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger talked with Joe Starkey of Seibel, Starkey and Miller on Sportsradio 93-7 The FAN about the teams new offense and how it’s coming together.

When it comes to running the ball more like some players have talked about, Ben said the fans are finally getting what they want by seeing the team return to their old way despite having an elite QB and a great group of young wide receivers.

Ben did say that his sandlot style of play will most likely be even more prevalent this year because like his rookie year, he won’t know the playbook inside and out, and will have to improvise more.

click on link below to listen to audio:

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/roethlisberger-fans-got-what-they-wanted-with-new-run-oriented-offense/

he needs to just shut up and play. that's not a great attitude to have

tanda10506
05-31-2012, 03:07 AM
That link didn't have audio but I would like to hear how that was said. If he was actually bothered that we are going to run it more and that the "fans" want that then maybe there is a situation at hand. I have been defending Ben but there's only so many things that can be took out of context. I understand he wants to throw the ball, every QB wants to pass all game, but that's not how it goes. I can understand him having a bad attitude towards it day one but the continuous negativity will set the whole offense back. He's right that he will likely have some "sand lot" plays due to the completely new plays, but we will have a good O line so it shouldn't be all that often. They are asking a lot of Ben but they are giving him the tools to do it, he needs to embrace it. By the end of preseason this offense should be better and Ben should notice that and be happy about it by then, if that attitude is around in September we could have big problems.

Wallace108
05-31-2012, 08:16 AM
That link didn't have audio but I would like to hear how that was said. If he was actually bothered that we are going to run it more and that the "fans" want that then maybe there is a situation at hand. I have been defending Ben but there's only so many things that can be took out of context. I understand he wants to throw the ball, every QB wants to pass all game, but that's not how it goes. I can understand him having a bad attitude towards it day one but the continuous negativity will set the whole offense back. He's right that he will likely have some "sand lot" plays due to the completely new plays, but we will have a good O line so it shouldn't be all that often. They are asking a lot of Ben but they are giving him the tools to do it, he needs to embrace it. By the end of preseason this offense should be better and Ben should notice that and be happy about it by then, if that attitude is around in September we could have big problems.

I heard the interview. It looks worse in print than it sounded. But it's still another example of Ben making comments that he just doesn't need to make. They're comments from someone who clearly hasn't "gotten over it." Tanda, I share your concern that it's not a problem now but could potentially become a problem if he doesn't "get over it," as the original article in this thread tells him to do.

No one in this thread is saying that Ben should be benched, traded, tarred and feathered, drawn and quartered, or hung from his testicles outside Heinz Field. Some of us are just getting annoyed with his whining, and the worst-case scenario is that his attitude could potentially affect the team. Anyone who thinks this isn't a possibility and not even worthy of discussing has to realize that it's happened before. This is from Bouchette's latest chat:

dave: Sounds like some of the players are surprised by the offensive playbook. Is this going to be another Joe Walton situation?

Ed Bouchette: It depends on how the players react. Bubby Brister didn't react well to Walton's offense and some teammates took their cue from him. I don't expect Ben R to resist Haley's.

Bouchette doesn't think that Ben will resist. But based on a lot of his comments, I'm not so sure. I'm certainly not predicting doom and gloom. I'm just saying that the potential for disaster is there. People can bury their heads in the sand and think this is much ado about nothing, but believing that something isn't there doesn't mean that something isn't there. At the very least, it's worthy of discussion.

Bayz101
05-31-2012, 08:36 AM
I listened to the latest one, and it doesn't sound so bad. Reading it hurts though, lol.

Bayz101
05-31-2012, 08:37 AM
And by the way, Ben: I know more fans who prefer the passing game than I do fans who prefer running it.

Wallace108
05-31-2012, 08:45 AM
I listened to the latest one, and it doesn't sound so bad. Reading it hurts though, lol.

Yeah, I agree that it didn't sound as bad as it looks in print. But in my opinion, it was another shot that he didn't have to take. It was a dig from someone who is clearly letting his bitterness show. If he really is "over it" as some suggest, he wouldn't be making comments like that at all.

Atlanta Dan
05-31-2012, 08:47 AM
Ben is not going to let this go :banging:

This quote was particularly nice with regard to being committed to learning the new plays

“It might be like my rookie year, where I find one guy, and if he’s not open, I start scrambling.

http://triblive.com/sports/1885118-74/ben-steelers-dejankovacevic-fans-roethlisberger-running-game-getting-joestarkey-starkey

Please STFU

MACH1
05-31-2012, 12:00 PM
Ben needs to think before he speaks sometimes.

Hawaii 5-0
05-31-2012, 02:06 PM
That link didn't have audio but I would like to hear how that was said.

click on the link below which will take you to the article. then scroll down until you see: "Click Here To Play Audio"

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/roethlisberger-fans-got-what-they-wanted-with-new-run-oriented-offense/

Atlanta Dan
05-31-2012, 02:16 PM
Ben needs to think before he speaks sometimes.

Good luck with that happening

Will he alter his style in an effort to stay healthy?

“No,” Ben said. “I’m just going to play the way I know how.”

http://triblive.com/sports/1885118-74/ben-steelers-dejankovacevic-fans-roethlisberger-running-game-getting-joestarkey-starkey

Ben is a tremendous talent and the Steelers are fortunate to have him - unfortunately Ben apparently does not change his behavior until it nearly kills him or puts him behind bars

Bayz101
05-31-2012, 02:24 PM
Good luck with that happening

Will he alter his style in an effort to stay healthy?

“No,” Ben said. “I’m just going to play the way I know how.”

http://triblive.com/sports/1885118-74/ben-steelers-dejankovacevic-fans-roethlisberger-running-game-getting-joestarkey-starkey

Ben is a tremendous talent and the Steelers are fortunate to have him - unfortunately Ben apparently does not change his behavior until it nearly kills him or puts him behind bars

If you asked Bernie Kosar to change his throwing style, do you think he would?

Ben's effective when scrambling, but he scrambles because he has to. Because the defensive line trying to kill him. You seen what he looked like with no one rushing him in the pro-bowl :flap:

I hope Ben doesn't change his playing style. No one's asking him to change anything. Just alter it. He should cut down on scrambling, and he's already said he will, just to protect himself. But i'll be dammed if he's going to change what makes him special.

Atlanta Dan
05-31-2012, 02:36 PM
If you asked Bernie Kosar to change his throwing style, do you think he would?

Ben's effective when scrambling, but he scrambles because he has to. Because the defensive line trying to kill him. You seen what he looked like with no one rushing him in the pro-bowl :flap:

I hope Ben doesn't change his playing style. No one's asking him to change anything. Just alter it. He should cut down on scrambling, and he's already said he will, just to protect himself. But i'll be dammed if he's going to change what makes him special.

If what makes him special is never giving up on a play and holding on to the ball hoping someoine will break free, the costs of that style will increase over time as Ben loses some elusivemness and is worn down by the accumulated hits.

Ben is often playing hurt by the end of the season and was so hurt after the Cleveland game last season it tanked the season - one definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result .

Great QBs who started out as scramblers (Elway and Bradshaw) modified their games as they aged - hopefully Ben will do their same

Steelersfan87
05-31-2012, 02:37 PM
Pro Bowlers don't change the way they play.

Look, more than one outlet has written about Ben's media exchanges. More than one has pointed out that his comments are designed, are intended to motivate himself. It's a sort of defense mechanism. Mark Kaboly wrote about that the day after the Kovacevic article, and even mentioned that article. Dave Bryan just wrote about it today. In fact, I think he's summed it up best:

Is Roethlisberger still a little frustrated right now? I think so. Did he just purposefully give Starkey a sound bite that he knew would make waves and have bloggers such as myself writing about it? I think so. Is the nature and tone of the Wednesday interview anything that we haven't seen before from Roethlisberger? Absolutely not. This is just another case of Ben being Ben. It is his little defense mechanism of sorts. It is the way that he motivates himself in my opinion. As long as he executes as he has in the past and is only in the papers because of things he says and not things that he does off the field, I am perfectly fine. This is not the first time we have seen a quarterback in Pittsburgh have a "me against the fans" type attitude and it won't be the last one.

We have a long way to go before the start of the 2012 season, so you better prepare yourself for more interviews like the one Roethlisberger gave on Wednesday. It's just Ben being Ben. Accept it and move on.

Hawaii 5-0
05-31-2012, 02:49 PM
Roethlisberger Says Offense Will Run More In 2012 So Fans Should Be Happy

Thursday, May 31st, 2012 by Dave Bryan

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger once again had a microphone in his face on Wednesday after the team wrapped up their second practice of their second off-season OTA session, and once again he made a few comments that will be interpreted by many as a shot at both his new offensive coordinator Todd Haley as well as the fan base.

Roethlisberger was asked by Joe Starkey if it was just a matter of getting on-board now with Haley after he obviously didn't like the change of coordinators this past off-season to which the Steelers quarterback replied, "Yeah, absolutely. You have no choice and like I said we're coming along and everyday it's getting a little bit better and we're learning and we'll be running the ball a lot this year, so fans should be happy." Starkey reconfirmed what he just heard by asking Roethlisberger if indeed the Steelers will be running a lot this season and if that was the plan. "I think so", said Roethlisberger. He also added, "That's the way it seems. So we've got some good ball carries and I know Red (Isaac Redman) is excited for the opportunity and I know the fans want it, so it looks like they'll be getting their wish."

In the same interview Roethlisberger continued to say what he has in past interviews and that learning the new offense is uncomfortable as it includes change, not that change is bad though. He also said that he and Haley are still learning each other as well as the offense. All of that is to be expected this early on in the process.

Now were some of the remarks that Roethlisberger made warranted? Was this just yet another case of Ben being Ben? It is obvious that Roethlisberger reads the papers and listens to talk radio, but not all of the fan base wants to run 40 times a game. Most realize that the NFL is now a passing league and that you don't need to lead the league in rushing to win or compete for a Super Bowl. The Steelers, Green Bay Packers, Arizona Cardinals and the Indianapolis Colts are all prime recent examples of that. When a team does run though, they need to be as effective as possible and there also must be some degree of balance of run versus pass as well.

Now obviously the offense will have a few new pieces on it this year, most recognizably on the offensive line, where there is a chance that two rookies could start and veteran Willie Colon makes the transition from right tackle to left guard. With a new offense being implemented, it will not be out of the question to see the Steelers start the season initially as a run first team as everybody gets acclimated to the Haley offense. After the first few games I doubt you will be able to decipher if the offense is run first or pass first offense. At least I believe that is what the goal of Haley is.

Is Roethlisberger still a little frustrated right now? I think so. Did he just purposefully give Starkey a sound bite that he knew would make waves and have bloggers such as myself writing about it? I think so. Is the nature and tone of the Wednesday interview anything that we haven't seen before from Roethlisberger? Absolutely not. This is just another case of Ben being Ben. It is his little defense mechanism of sorts. It is the way that he motivates himself in my opinion. As long as he executes as he has in the past and is only in the papers because of things he says and not things that he does off the field, I am perfectly fine. This is not the first time we have seen a quarterback in Pittsburgh have a "me against the fans" type attitude and it won't be the last one.

We have a long way to go before the start of the 2012 season, so you better prepare yourself for more interviews like the one Roethlisberger gave on Wednesday. It's just Ben being Ben. Accept it and move on.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/05/roethlisberger-says-offense-will-run-more-in-2012-so-fans-should-be-happy/

TheVet
05-31-2012, 03:48 PM
Ben doesn't seem to get it. It's not about running the ball 40 times a game. It's about establishing a solid running game along with a solid passing game so that we have a balanced, flexible offense that can be tuned to the opponent and/or situation. It will be an offense that is capable of moving the chains and scoring reliably.

We'll still have the big plays that he loves so much - but it won't be the all or nothing mindset that took hold during Arians' Era of Incompetence. We all love big plays, and we're gonna love them even more when they're icing on the cake.

TheVet
05-31-2012, 03:56 PM
I love Ben but he is really pissing me off with these moronic comments.

Adults are trying to drag him kicking and screaming into being the all-time great QB that he could be.

Hawaii 5-0
05-31-2012, 05:04 PM
Big Ben is taking the bull by the horns

Posted by Mike Florio on May 31, 2012

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/bigben-e1338496976892.jpg?w=250

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger wasn’t happy with the team’s decision to fire offensive coordinator Bruce Arians. Roethlisberger thereafter seemed to be a little concerned (to say the least) about the radio silence from Arians’ replacement, Todd Haley.

Now that Haley is on the job and installing a new offense, Roethlisberger is dealing with change. And it sounds like he has come to grips with that reality.

“Absolutely,” Roethlisberger told 93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh (via SportsRadioInterviews.com) regarding whether he wasn’t comfortable with the changes initially. “It’s different. It’s change. And I’m not saying that change is bad, but because it’s different and it’s something that you’re not comfortable and used to doing, you’re not going to be comfortable, obviously. But you’ve got to take the bull by the horns, as they say, and try and run with it.”

While he liked things the way they were, Roethlisberger realizes that there’s only so much he can do about it. “You have no choice,” he said. “And we’re coming along and every day is getting a little bit better and we’re learning and we’ll be running the ball a lot this year, so fans should be happy.”

Roethlisberger compared his relationship with Haley to the process of adjusting to the new playbook and approach. “It’s just like this offense is a work in progress, so is learning the offense and learning each other,” Roethlisberger said. “He’s learning me and I’m learning him just as much as he’s learning the rest of the players. So, we’re just taking every day one day at a time.”

Roethlisberger confirmed the team will be running the ball more, with Isaac Redman getting a chance to step up. Other reports and accounts and descriptions indicate the tight end will have a bigger role in the offense, and Roethlisberger will spend more time in the pocket — even though he’s perhaps at his best when moving laterally, buying time as he drags defenders with him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/31/big-ben-is-taking-the-bull-by-the-horns/

mesaSteeler
05-31-2012, 06:08 PM
Ben Roethlisberger Still Sounds Irritated About Learning a New Offense
May 31, 2012 – 10:00 am by Eric Schmoldt
http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2012/05/31/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-new-offense-todd-haley/

Ben Roethlisberger never sounded all that happy about the fact that his Pittsburgh Steelers were going to switch their offensive scheme under former Arizona Cardinals coach Todd Haley. And Roethlisberger is still sounding a bit irritated about his new offensive coordinator this summer.

Roethlisberger spends the following interview explaining how the Steelers are coming along when it comes to learning the new offense, but also dips into realms where he tells the fans they got their wish in wanting a more run-oriented offense and that he might revert back to his rookie year where he picked out one receiver and then bolted when they weren’t open.

Ben Roethlisberger joined 93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh with Joe Starkey to discuss the new offense, not being comfortable with the change, meeting Todd Haley, the relationship with Haley, a run-oriented offense, if he’ll change his style of play to avoid hits and if he’ll still be allowed to make something out of nothing.

On the new offense:

“It’s starting to come together in pieces. When Coach calls a play, it’s not quite, ‘What’s everybody doing?’ It’s starting to come together and people are understanding and now we can start talking about the little nuances of what people are supposed to do.”

It seems clear from public comments that this change wasn’t comfortable to you. Is that accurate?:

“Absolutely. It’s different. It’s change. And I’m not saying that change is bad, but because it’s different and it’s something that you’re not comfortable and used to doing, you’re not going to be comfortable, obviously. But you’ve got to take the bull by the horns, as they say, and try and run with it.”

What was your first meeting with Todd Haley like?:

“You know what, it was so long ago, I don’t even remember anymore. But that got blown way out of proportion. There’s so many rules that we can’t talk and he was moving. There was so much going on that people decided to make a big deal out of, really, nothing.”

What’s your relationship like with him?:

“It’s just like this offense is a work in progress, so is learning the offense and learning each other. He’s learning me and I’m learning him just as much as he’s learning the rest of the players. So, we’re just taking every day one day at a time.”

But clearly you were comfortable with the way things were, right?:

“Well, absolutely. You do it for long enough, you get comfortable with anything.” So you weren’t necessarily in favor of the change, but you just have to jump on board?: “Yeah, absolutely. You have no choice. And we’re coming along and every day is getting a little bit better and we’re learning and well be running the ball a lot this year, so fans should be happy.”

Will you be running it a lot?:

“I think so. … That’s the way it seems. We’ve got some good ball carriers. I know [Isaac Redman] is excited for the opportunity and I know the fans want it, so it looks like they’ll be getting their wish.”

Does not taking as many hits require a change in your style of play?:

“No, I’m just going to play the game the way I know how to play. If injuries happen, they happen. I’m not going to go out and be scared and not play the game full tilt and with everything I’ve got.”

You’ve always been able to make something out of nothing. Is that still part of the gameplan?:

“You might see more of it because I don’t know what everybody’s doing on every play. So it may be like my rookie year where I find one guy and if he’s not open, I start scrambling. We’ll see.”

Listen to Ben Roethlisberger on 93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh here

Tags: Ben Roethlisberger, Ben Roethlisberger irritated with new offense, Isaac Redman, NFL, Pittsburgh Steelers, Todd Haley

Sharkissle29
05-31-2012, 06:35 PM
Ben Roethlisberger Still Sounds Irritated About Learning a New Offense
May 31, 2012 – 10:00 am by Eric Schmoldt
http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2012/05/31/nfl-pittsburgh-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-new-offense-todd-haley/

Ben Roethlisberger never sounded all that happy about the fact that his Pittsburgh Steelers were going to switch their offensive scheme under former Arizona Cardinals coach Todd Haley. And Roethlisberger is still sounding a bit irritated about his new offensive coordinator this summer.

Roethlisberger spends the following interview explaining how the Steelers are coming along when it comes to learning the new offense, but also dips into realms where he tells the fans they got their wish in wanting a more run-oriented offense and that he might revert back to his rookie year where he picked out one receiver and then bolted when they weren’t open.

Ben Roethlisberger joined 93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh with Joe Starkey to discuss the new offense, not being comfortable with the change, meeting Todd Haley, the relationship with Haley, a run-oriented offense, if he’ll change his style of play to avoid hits and if he’ll still be allowed to make something out of nothing.

On the new offense:

“It’s starting to come together in pieces. When Coach calls a play, it’s not quite, ‘What’s everybody doing?’ It’s starting to come together and people are understanding and now we can start talking about the little nuances of what people are supposed to do.”

It seems clear from public comments that this change wasn’t comfortable to you. Is that accurate?:

“Absolutely. It’s different. It’s change. And I’m not saying that change is bad, but because it’s different and it’s something that you’re not comfortable and used to doing, you’re not going to be comfortable, obviously. But you’ve got to take the bull by the horns, as they say, and try and run with it.”

What was your first meeting with Todd Haley like?:

“You know what, it was so long ago, I don’t even remember anymore. But that got blown way out of proportion. There’s so many rules that we can’t talk and he was moving. There was so much going on that people decided to make a big deal out of, really, nothing.”

What’s your relationship like with him?:

“It’s just like this offense is a work in progress, so is learning the offense and learning each other. He’s learning me and I’m learning him just as much as he’s learning the rest of the players. So, we’re just taking every day one day at a time.”

But clearly you were comfortable with the way things were, right?:

“Well, absolutely. You do it for long enough, you get comfortable with anything.” So you weren’t necessarily in favor of the change, but you just have to jump on board?: “Yeah, absolutely. You have no choice. And we’re coming along and every day is getting a little bit better and we’re learning and well be running the ball a lot this year, so fans should be happy.”

Will you be running it a lot?:

“I think so. … That’s the way it seems. We’ve got some good ball carriers. I know [Isaac Redman] is excited for the opportunity and I know the fans want it, so it looks like they’ll be getting their wish.”

Does not taking as many hits require a change in your style of play?:

“No, I’m just going to play the game the way I know how to play. If injuries happen, they happen. I’m not going to go out and be scared and not play the game full tilt and with everything I’ve got.”

You’ve always been able to make something out of nothing. Is that still part of the gameplan?:

“You might see more of it because I don’t know what everybody’s doing on every play. So it may be like my rookie year where I find one guy and if he’s not open, I start scrambling. We’ll see.”

Listen to Ben Roethlisberger on 93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh here

Tags: Ben Roethlisberger, Ben Roethlisberger irritated with new offense, Isaac Redman, NFL, Pittsburgh Steelers, Todd Haley

Learn the plays, you are a professional....no excuses.

Ricco Suavez
05-31-2012, 06:45 PM
Same interview, three different reporters (Dave Bryan, Mike Florio, and Eric Schmoldt) and after reading each I came away with different perspective form each. Dave's editorial seem more like the current theme of the post in "get over it, Ben". Florios take was more like Ben is working to make everything work and is an agreeable participant, while Schmoldt was somewhere in between.

Its not that the media is out to get Ben its just it is more entertaining to make something out even the least little thing. When you can take a quote word for word in three different articles and then add your own remarks or view is where the "slant" comes in. That is the main reason I like to hear the interview before I make assumptions of what was said and more importantly how it was said and/or facial expressions. Sarcasm comes across poorly in the written word.

Hawaii 5-0
05-31-2012, 08:50 PM
a good link to listen to Ben speak:

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fcbspittsburgh.files.word press.com%2F2012%2F05%2Fben-roethlisberger-5-30.mp3&podcast_name=Ben+Roethlisberger&podcast_a

Hawaii 5-0
06-02-2012, 03:39 AM
The "NFL Total Access" guys discuss whether Ben is unhappy with the Steelers' new offense and OC Todd Haley:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...rs-new-offense

TRH
06-02-2012, 08:49 AM
Learn the plays, you are a professional....no excuses.

he IS learning the plays and he's not "making excuses". He's just saying its an adjustment and things he might do. No big deal.

Sheez........... Some people read WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much into things.

Wallace108
06-02-2012, 10:38 AM
he IS learning the plays and he's not "making excuses". He's just saying its an adjustment and things he might do. No big deal.

Sheez........... Some people read WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much into things.

If we were talking about just one comment, I'd agree with you that maybe we're reading way too much into it. But we're not talking about just one comment. In almost every interview he's given the past few months, he's made at least one comment that could be interpreted as a jab at either Haley or the new offense. How many questionable comments is it going to take before you at least entertain the idea that maybe Ben isn't over it yet?

I think some fans aren't seeing it because they don't wanna see it. And I understand that. I have a buddy whose wife was cheating on him. Everyone saw it but him. He didn't wanna see it. And no matter how hard his friends tried to convince him of what was going on, he always found ways to rationalize it. Until she left him for another guy.

Steelersfan87
06-02-2012, 02:01 PM
It doesn't matter if he's "over" it. It affects nothing except internet message board discussions.

tony hipchest
06-02-2012, 02:11 PM
theres some people here who are missing the big picture. they think that several comments of ben are beeing dissected and overanalized when in reality it is his entire attitude that is coming under scrutiny. HUGE DIFFERENCE-

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im just glad the majority of the team is reflecting the leadership of tomlin and their positional coaches as opposed to their field general.

this is what will always seperate ben from the likes of brady, brees, manning, & rodgers. i wont knock him for it because he is a great player (ONE of the best in the league), but i will not pretend its not the truth and i wont shy away from pointing this truth out. the others mentioned are an extension of their coaches. anyone who thinks ben is as well needs to wake up. his attitude reflects otherwise.

'rebel w/o a cause' (or clue).

Wallace108
06-02-2012, 02:46 PM
It doesn't matter if he's "over" it. It affects nothing except internet message board discussions.

Maybe, maybe not ...

Here's a 1990 article from The Houston Chronicle. Take it as you will. But you can't tell me a lot of this doesn't sound awfully familiar. :noidea:
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New offense, old results for dazed Steelers
09/11/1990 HOUSTON CHRONICLE

PITTSBURGH - From the time he swaggered into training camp two years ago and announced, "I'm the man; write it down," Bubby Brister had no doubt he was the quarterback the Pittsburgh Steelers needed.

But now, Brister is not so sure about himself and Joe Walton's new-age offense.

Throughout the preseason, Brister complained that Walton, the former head coach of the New York Jets who is now the Steelers' offensive coordinator, was installing an overly complicated system that was depriving the team of some of its best weapons.

And Brister was bristling even more following Sunday's season-opening 13-3 loss in Cleveland.

"I'm just going to have to keep cool and keep my patience," Brister said, "but I'm about to come unglued."

Pittsburgh's head coach, the venerable Chuck Noll, delivered a pointed rebuttal Monday. Asked about Brister's attitude, Noll said: "There's no question about it - it's a concern. There's people we've got to get the ball to, and if he's unglued, we're not going to be able to do that."

Noll even indicated he might replace Brister for next Sunday night's game against the Oilers in Three Rivers Stadium.

Asked if he would consider starting his inexperienced and twice-waived backup quarterback, Rick Strom, Noll said, "Possibly, but we've got to see what we do in practice and go from there."

Noll also allowed that Strom "possibly" has a better understanding of the offense than does Brister.

While there appears little chance Strom will start Sunday night, the coach clearly was urging Brister to stop rebelling against Walton's system.

"Our quarterback has to get himself straightened out, too," Noll said. "It's a team game. A quarterback's not going to look good if we don't have contributing people, and the contributing people are going to lose their enthusiasm if the quarterback doesn't get it done."

Noll added that if Brister doesn't believe in the offense, "he's never going to get it done, and we'll find someone who does. We're going to stay with what we're doing, and we're going to get it done."

What the Steelers did Sunday was put together only one scoring drive, and it went a total of one yard - backward.

Brister questioned why the team's top running back, Tim Worley, was removed on second-and-one from the Cleveland one.

"Sometimes, we're taking out players who are supposedly our starters and bringing in somebody else," Brister said. "We have the backs to make a yard. All of a sudden, Worley wasn't there. All of a sudden, we didn't make it."

On second down, Warren Williams lost a yard on a sweep. Noll blamed the play's breakdown on Brister: "We had a mistake in ballhandling that would have allowed us to get in for a score. We have to get the ball quickly to the back coming over, and we didn't do that.

"We had the right people in there," Noll insisted. "Warren scored on that same play last week (in a preseason victory over Philadelphia), running it to the other side.

"We're going to mix and use all our people. That's a change we're making this year, and we're going to stay with it."

Although Noll is known for no-frills, grinding football, the Walton offense features multiple formations, frequent substitutions and 60 to 100 pass plays designed for each game. Last year, the Steelers practiced about 25 pass plays per week.

"The stuff we have is good," Brister said, "but it's confusing. You can't have 300 plays in your head."

The Steelers make offensive substitutions on almost every down, because Walton believes in specialization and a messenger system for sending in plays.

Brister claimed the frequent substituting "destroys continuity."

Last year, the coaching staff used hand signals, but according to Noll, Brister was "having problems deciphering the codes."

Noll has been hinting strongly that Brister's mental skills do not match his considerable physical prowess.

Brister himself says he is "a blue-collar quarterback," but Walton's offense is based on finesse, on picking at cracks in a defense.

Steelers fans are fond of Brister's big-play ability, of how he makes something out of nothing. He is a scrambler and bomber, but now he is being asked to "think-and-dink."

Walton does not like to leave much to chance and improvisation.

"We had some option routes before, and we've limited some of the option routes," Noll said.

Brister's favorite pass routes are the deep ones to Louis Lipps, and the quarterback has griped about Walton limiting these.

But Noll contends Brister often had receivers open Sunday and time to throw, but "we just didn't get them the ball."

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl/1990_728490/new-offense-old-results-for-dazed-steelers.html
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And again from Bouchette's latest chat in regard to Ben:

Ed Bouchette: It depends on how the players react. Bubby Brister didn't react well to Walton's offense and some teammates took their cue from him.

How this plays out is entirely up to Ben and his attitude.

tanda10506
06-02-2012, 03:13 PM
That link didn't have audio but I would like to hear how that was said. If he was actually bothered that we are going to run it more and that the "fans" want that then maybe there is a situation at hand. I have been defending Ben but there's only so many things that can be took out of context. I understand he wants to throw the ball, every QB wants to pass all game, but that's not how it goes. I can understand him having a bad attitude towards it day one but the continuous negativity will set the whole offense back. He's right that he will likely have some "sand lot" plays due to the completely new plays, but we will have a good O line so it shouldn't be all that often. They are asking a lot of Ben but they are giving him the tools to do it, he needs to embrace it. By the end of preseason this offense should be better and Ben should notice that and be happy about it by then, if that attitude is around in September we could have big problems.

So I just saw the video of this interview and it was actually nothing at all. Ben actually seemed more positive then he has and the fan thing was said as a joke, it was nothing being made into something.

Steelersfan87
06-02-2012, 05:24 PM
I knew you were going to bring up Bubby Brister. Roethlisberger is not Bubby Brister.

Who is willing to issue a mea culpa if this turns out to be a non-story midway through the regular season? If everything blows up, I'm more than willing to eat my words about it being nothing.

tanda10506
06-02-2012, 06:31 PM
If everything blows up, I'm more than willing to eat my words about it being nothing.

Same here, there is a possibility that things won't click but come on, it's the Steelers. We've never had issues with guys learning their job nor have we had any actual problems between players/players or players/coaches, our coaching staff and FO is too good and won't tolerate it.

Hawaii 5-0
06-04-2012, 03:44 PM
Roethlisberger Needs His Underdog Mentallity To Get Through Feelings Of Lack Of Confidence In Him

Monday, June 4th, 2012 by Dave Bryan

One of the biggest topics of discussion amongst Pittsburgh Steelers fans this off-season, outside of the ongoing status of restricted free agent wide receiver Mike Wallace, is the change of offensive coordinators and how quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has handled it.

Roethlisberger is perceived by many as one, and the only one, bucking the change so far, and with good reason, as his comments made about the new offense have included several Rosetta Stone references, which infers to how hard the translation of it is. Last week Roethlisberger took it a bit father by saying the fan base would finally get its wish because the offense will apparently run the ball more in 2012, a blatant jab that he was not in favor of it.

While many think that Roethlisberger has issues with new offensive coordinator Todd Haley, who replaced his good friend and golfing buddy Bruce Arians, the real issue is likely that he feels slighted by the organization by having all of his input and control of the game planning ripped from him. In short, he feels Art Rooney II and company do not trust him or his opinion like they have for the past several years.

While Roethlisberger is surely not naive enough to think that Arians would have been his offensive coordinator for the rest of his career, he likely thought that his eight years in the league, that includes two Super Bowl championships and three AFC crowns, would give him some level of say in who was hired and what type of offense they would run moving forward. He likely thinks that he has earned that right over the years as one of the top quarterbacks in the league.

Control is something that Roethlisberger has been used to since Arians took over as offensive coordinator and Mike Tomlin was named the new head coach in 2007. Sports Illustrated posted a story back in November 2007 that tells about rise in trust the organization had in Roethlisberger, who just so happened to be coming off of a season that saw him throw for 23 interceptions versus just 18 touchdowns. The story goes that Arians and Roethlisberger were coming off the 7th green at Treesdale Golf & Country Club in Gibsonia, Pa. when Arians told his quarterback, "I want you to know something. This is not my offense. From now on this is your offense."

Arians reportedly at that time let Roethlisberger edit the playbook that he had used under his first offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt and allowed him to throw out some plays and rename others. In addition, Roethlisberger was allowed to change the verbiage and terminology of the offense so that it was easier for him to transmit in the huddle. Roethlisberger also implemented his own acronyms and word associations during that change over according to the story. When Whisenhunt was at the helm, Roethlisberger would normally receive the game plan when he arrived at the team facility on Wednesday morning with no say-so in it whatsoever. When Arians took over, the Steelers quarterback helped formulate the game plan at the beginning of the week and there is no reason to think that any of that has changed since then.

One of the biggest criticisms of Arians over the years is that he was too buddy-buddy with Roethlisberger and that he did not incorporate enough change in the offense over the years since he took over that it became too predictable in some instances. Throughout that span of time Roethlisberger became known as a quarterback that held the ball too long in addition. Even as elusive as he would be behind an often piecemealed offensive line, he still was sacked 215 times over the course of 73 regular season games. This led to several nagging injuries over the years and it all came to a head last season with his severe ankle injury that he suffered against the Cleveland Browns in week 14.

Should the Steelers somehow have went on to win the Super Bowl last year, it was clear that Rooney II had enough and a change of coordinators likely would have taken place regardless. A banged up franchise quarterback and an inexcusable loss to the Denver Broncos, even though it was not fully the fault of the offense, gave Rooney II the perfect opportunity to change things up and he did. Although Tomlin said it was his decision, it was one that was made with his arm twisted behind his back more than likely.

The hiring of Haley, which Tomlin also claimed to be his call, was one that had the fingerprints of Rooney II all over it as well because of the Steelers coaching tree association that Haley has along with his militant coaching style. Rooney II basically had seen that his quarterback had too much say in what was going on thus the change needed to be made in his eyes.

Roethlisberger has used the word "change" quite a bit this off-season in regard to the new offense and coordinator, but it is not the first time he has used it with the media though. Back in 2007, after learning that he would have a bigger say in the offense, he was quoted as saying, "It is definitely a change," Roethlisberger said. "It gives you a lot more confidence to know that your coach believes in you."

Roethlisberger now is in the midst of change in the other direction and he most likely feels that the confidence that was bestowed on him several years ago is no more. He most likely feels like a rookie once again with Haley now in charge and his multiple jabs that he takes through the media are a defense mechanism of his that he just isn't channeling properly. Back in that 2007 story I keep referencing, Roethlisberger was quoted as saying, "I like being the underdog." That underdog mentality is the best defense mechanism that he will need the most for him to lead the Steelers to their 7th Super Bowl championship in 2012 as the jabs through the media are falling on deaf ears of the organization and only being heard by the fan base, many of who think he is acting like a little baby.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/06/roethlisberger-needs-his-underdog-mentallity-to-get-through-feelings-of-lack-of-confidence-in-him/

Steelersfan87
06-04-2012, 05:02 PM
Ed Bouchette:

Who said this about the new Steelers offense:
“It’s been work. Any time you do something for going on almost eight years and you have to change the way you think about things, that’s not easy. But we’re out here working, we’re studying and trying to change our mindset a little bit.’’
Ben Roethlisberger? No, but if the quarterback had said that about Haley’s offense, what would you think? Probably, that he was complaining.
Heath Miller told me that last week and I can guarantee you he was not complaining (Miller complains about nothing). He was merely stating a fact. However, when Roethlisberger has basically stated the same fact, he’s been ripped in some corners for it.

tony hipchest
06-04-2012, 05:35 PM
Ed Bouchette:

Who said this about the new Steelers offense:
“It’s been work. Any time you do something for going on almost eight years and you have to change the way you think about things, that’s not easy. But we’re out here working, we’re studying and trying to change our mindset a little bit.’’
Ben Roethlisberger? No, but if the quarterback had said that about Haley’s offense, what would you think? Probably, that he was complaining.
Heath Miller told me that last week and I can guarantee you he was not complaining (Miller complains about nothing). He was merely stating a fact. However, when Roethlisberger has basically stated the same fact, he’s been ripped in some corners for it.



the biggest difference?

miller admits having to change mindset a bit, while ben exhibits a mindset resistant to change.

im glad most players arent following his lead in this regard. 3 rookies starting on offense is one too many.

while the difference may be subtle, it is there nevertheless. i could tell immediately it wasnt a quote from ben. i notice miller speaks in terms of "we".

i'd have to further dissect b ens qotes to see if he is speaking in terms of "I" or the team. :hunch:

Ricco Suavez
06-04-2012, 06:55 PM
The way I tell its not a quote from Ben, is Tony and Wallace did not post it and then tell us why it is a big deal.:rofl:

tony hipchest
06-04-2012, 06:58 PM
some people think bens attitude is a noteworty topic of discussion and a slight cause for concern.

other people think saint ben is the 2nd coming of mother teresa and can do and say no wrong.

everybody is entitled to their opinions.

we are here to discuss them.

tell me to move along now and to drop it. :wave:

Ricco Suavez
06-04-2012, 07:13 PM
Tony I have never said Ben does no wrong and he is far from a saint or Mother Teresa, yet if you or anyone else continues to bring up past articles (mostly articles that try to insinuate there is a riff between Haley and Ben I might add) then yes, I will continue to argue the FACT that all of this is just opinion.

Articles with commentary added are not fair and true, but likely slanted to the view of the author. Like I pointed out early three articles on the same interview had three different slants. You and Wallace can choose to see it one way but I choose to view articles as a source for "some" information, and after reading I will read more and then and only then will I make an educated assumption of what is written about. Of Course if I can listen or watch said interview I can form my own opinions and not pay attention to slants of others.

This is not different than a Raven fan having a different opinion of the most recent Steeler-Raven game, if we win the Pittsburgh writers write of the victory and some of the key points or players involved. Baltimore for the most part writes of the "what ifs" or questionable plays on the field. I am Sorry you feel Ben is disruptive and a bad leader, I feel he is human and a hellva of a QB that is now in an uncomfortable state as far as his career, he will do what is needed, and I for one believe he will do good. I just wish you had more faith in your Steeler QB than a new OC who is not even called his first game for the Steelers.

tony hipchest
06-04-2012, 07:53 PM
and ricco, i have never tried to tell anyone that this is some huge deal. but it is a"deal".

lets put it this way...

when ben was in his motorcycle accident it ultimately had no bearing on how his play during the season panned out. hell, it was an appendix that kept him out of the first game.

so even though it happened in the dead part of the offseason, and had no bearing on his play, does that mean it wasnt a topic worthy of discussion?

same thing could be said of bens first rape allegation. even his 2nd accusation and ensuing season still found ben having a superb season where we ultimately landed in the superbowl.

whether bens play will be adversely affected by his attitude isnt even a question to me. i think him and the steelers will do just fine. its just the attitude and the fact that he sounds insecure about his own capabilities to quickly learn and adapt to a new playbook that i find a bit disturbing.

thats all.

Steelersfan87
06-06-2012, 04:38 PM
Ed Bouchette:

Todd Haley has no problem with how Ben Roethlisberger has worked to learn the new offense he introduced to the Steelers this spring.
“He’s like everybody else, he’s learning, he’s concentrating and working hard on it, and he’s making progress. He obviously is a great player and can continue to be a great player. I’m excited about the opportunity here to be working with Ben, really with all these guys, it’s a great group of quarterbacks.’’
Through the spring, Roethlisberger has talked about how difficult the offense is to grasp, and how apparently the fans wanted to see more running, so now they will get it. Haley said he has seen no such concern on his quarterback’s part.
“I haven’t sensed any of that concern, at least me personally. He’s been in here, he’s been working hard, he’s into it even the days he hasn’t practiced. I mean he’s over my shoulder talking, commenting, discussing. That’s what I’ve seen all the really good quarterbacks I’ve been around act like. I’m just excited about his and our opportunity. He’s a guy who has been a very good player and we’re going to try to keep that going and even get better.”

In my mind, Ben can SAY whatever he wants as long as he DOES all the right things.

tony hipchest
06-06-2012, 05:02 PM
i wonder how fans reaction woulda been if ben had something like this to say about his new coach-

Q&A w/ Todd Haley

http://burgh.us/ene

Q: HOW IS BEN DOING WITH THE OFFENSE?
A: “Just like everybody else. He is learning and is concentrating and working hard on it and is making progress. He is obviously a great player and will continue to be a great player. I am excited about the opportunity of working here with Ben and really all these guys. It is really a good group of quarterbacks.”

i bet fans would be irate if ben told such lies. :rolleyes: haley shoulda been more forthright an honest and expressed frustration working with somebody who obviously is still yearning for their old buddy and boss.

[/sarcasm]

anyways the rest of the article is very insightful. several opportunities for haley to throw his qb under the bus but he doesnt take the bait.



Q: WHY IS IT DIFFICULT FOR PLAYERS TO LEARN A NEW OFFENSE?
A: “Football is football. Terminology is the issue, really. Philosophically, you spell out to your guys how you want to play football and then it is about them understanding the language. We coaches are creatures of habit. You can go around the league and hear a lot of the same words but the problem is when they don’t mean the same thing. You try to avoid those situations where guys are having to translate language-to-language and concept-to-concept. That is what we were doing in the offseason – making sure we were doing the right thing to give our guys the best chance to succeed.”




Q: ANY APPREHENSION FROM PLAYERS IN THE CHANGE
A: “It is not for me to answer, really. Change is not always comfortable and we said that right out of the gate. Some times when there are changes and there were changes and that’s a way to keep guys on their toes and keep their focus on the understanding of what the goal is and that is to win Super Bowls. Win one this year is our goal. That won’t change. We are going to have to do it predominantly with the guys we have here. They are into it, competitive and competing against the defense, which is fun to watch on some days yet we are still keeping it in a learning phase of getting the guys to understand it conceptually and philosophically on how we are going to play.”

Q: AT YOUR OTHER STOPS, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE THE QB TO GRASP THE SYSTEM
A: “You use all this time. It will be training camp and then it will be the real preseason games before anybody is totally comfortable. That is each and every year you are making enough changes that guys have to learn and you have personnel changes that affect how you play. That’s how it is going. We will use all this time. I am exited about it and I feel like the guys are ready excited about it and feel the guys can make progress.”

Q: ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT BEN SEEMS SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEARNING CURVE?
A: “I haven’t sensed any of that concern, at least me personally. He’s in here, he’s working hard. He’s into it — even the days when he hasn’t practiced, he’s over my shoulder, talking, commenting, discussing and those are all, that’s what I’ve seen out of all the good quarterbacks — really good quarterbacks — I’ve been around act like. And I’m just excited about his and our opportunity. He’s a guy who’s been a very good player and we’re going to try to keep that going and get even better.”

TRH
06-06-2012, 05:10 PM
good interview quotes. It gets tiring hearing everyone twisting and turning around things Ben does say..................it seems as if its going just the way it should....they're both working hard and getting on great so far.

Bayz101
06-06-2012, 05:13 PM
Now even Haley says nothings going on. But surely, somethings going on? No?

TRH
06-06-2012, 05:14 PM
Now even Haley says nothings going on. But surely, somethings going on? No?

I'm sure SOME-one here will take his words into the lab...dissect them..twist them...super-duper-over-analyze them.....then proclaim "yes! there is indeed problems between Todd and Ben" :sofunny:

Riddle_Of_Steel
06-06-2012, 07:15 PM
I'm sure SOME-one here will take his words into the lab...dissect them..twist them...super-duper-over-analyze them.....then proclaim "yes! there is indeed problems between Todd and Ben" :sofunny:

I don't even know how this tread is stil going 6 pages later after we pretty much came to a consensus that the sports writeers are just desperate for anything resembling a story to pass the offseason time.

Ben is fine.

tony hipchest
06-06-2012, 07:51 PM
I don't even know how this tread is stil going 6 pages later after we pretty much came to a consensus that the sports writeers are just desperate for anything resembling a story to pass the offseason time.

Ben is fine.

:confused:

"we" pretty much came to that consensus, huh?

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/jordanlaugh.gif

Wallace108
06-06-2012, 07:56 PM
:confused:

"we" pretty much came to that consensus, huh?

It must have been the same "we" who concluded that Arians was a good OC because he won us a Super Bowl, and that if he wasn't, Rooney would have gotten rid of him.

Bayz101
06-06-2012, 07:57 PM
:confused:

"we" pretty much came to that consensus, huh?

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/jordanlaugh.gif

That shit cracks me up :sofunny:

Your going to be using Mike more frequently, aren't you? :chuckle:

tony hipchest
06-06-2012, 08:00 PM
That shit cracks me up :sofunny:

Your going to be using Mike more frequently, aren't you? :chuckle:

:sly:

i sure am.... it makes me laugh everytime i see it. :laughing:

Bayz101
06-06-2012, 08:03 PM
This debate is over. Ben is a 100% flawless and innocent god of a football player and human being whom makes no mistakes.

...

























http://dc349.4shared.com/img/J-4HiJcS/s3/1-50-Cent-Laugh-Off.gif

zcoop
06-06-2012, 08:09 PM
This debate is over. Ben is a 100% flawless and innocent god of a football player and human being whom makes no mistakes.

...


http://dc349.4shared.com/img/J-4HiJcS/s3/1-50-Cent-Laugh-Off.gif

Why you have to bring 50 into this :chuckle:

Bayz101
06-06-2012, 08:12 PM
Why you have to bring 50 into this :chuckle:

Uh....uh....erm...

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/ben_roethlisberger_wtf_reaction.gif

Wallace108
06-06-2012, 08:15 PM
Uh....uh....erm...

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/ben_roethlisberger_wtf_reaction.gif

Damn, Bayz. How did you get a gif of Ben studying the Rosetta Stone? :sofunny:

Bayz101
06-06-2012, 08:21 PM
Damn, Bayz. How did you get a gif of Ben studying the Rosetta Stone? :sofunny:

It's the newest article on his home page. "ME WERK HARD REED BOOK".

Galax Steeler
06-06-2012, 08:32 PM
Damn, Bayz. How did you get a gif of Ben studying the Rosetta Stone? :sofunny:


Damn good one Wallace.:rofl:

Bayz101
06-06-2012, 08:38 PM
Well. For those of you who still seem to think Ben is sour over Arians exit from the city, we'll find out for sure if Mendy's released. They are GREAT friends.

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/MendenhallHump.gif

Galax Steeler
06-06-2012, 08:51 PM
Well. For those of you who still seem to think Ben is sour over Arians exit from the city, we'll find out for sure if Mendy's released. They are GREAT friends.

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/MendenhallHump.gif

I was trying to put that one out of my mind.:toofunny:

Hawaii 5-0
06-06-2012, 11:47 PM
Haley Doesn’t Sense Roethlisberger Is Struggling With Learning Curve Of Offense

Wednesday, June 6th, 2012 by Dave Bryan

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has made references to the word, "change", quit a bit since Todd Haley took over as the new offensive coordinator. Early on in several of the media interviews that the Steelers quarterback has given, he has referred to needing Rosetta Stone to grasp those changes. On Wednesday it was Haley that dropped several uses of the "change" word in his Q & A with the media.

While Roethlisberger has taken several veiled jabs through the media as to what he doesn't seem to like about the new offense, which is mainly been the prospects of running the ball a lot more, he also has said that learning the new offense has been frustrating at times. "It was frustrating. It gets frustrating at times. But we'll keep learning," said Roethlisberger following the Steelers first OTA practice a few weeks ago.

While Roethlisberger might be frustrated, Haley said today during his session with the media that he hasn't sensed any concern from his quarterback as it relates to his learning curve of the offense. "I haven’t sensed any of that concern, at least me personally," said Haley on Wednesday. "He’s in here, he’s working hard. He’s into it — even the days when he hasn’t practiced, he’s over my shoulder, talking, commenting, discussing and those are all, that’s what I’ve seen out of all the good quarterbacks — really good quarterbacks — I’ve been around act like. And I’m just excited about his and our opportunity. He’s a guy who’s been a very good player and we’re going to try to keep that going and get even better."

Roethlisberger, who was absent from the Wednesday practice because of a personal reason, seems to be picking up the offense just like everyone else according to Haley when asked specifically how his veteran quarterback is doing with the offense. "Just like everybody else. He is learning and is concentrating and working hard on it and is making progress," said Haley. "He is obviously a great player and will continue to be a great player. I am excited about the opportunity of working here with Ben and really all these guys. It is really a good group of quarterbacks."

When asked if there is any apprehension to the changes from any of his players, Haley used the "change" word himself several times in his response. "It is not for me to answer, really. Change is not always comfortable and we said that right out of the gate," Haley said. "Sometimes when there are changes and there were changes and that’s a way to keep guys on their toes and keep their focus on the understanding of what the goal is and that is to win Super Bowls. Win one this year is our goal. That won’t change. We are going to have to do it predominantly with the guys we have here. They are into it, competitive and competing against the defense, which is fun to watch on some days yet we are still keeping it in a learning phase of getting the guys to understand it conceptually and philosophically on how we are going to play."

So there you have it. More uses of the word, "change", and Haley states that he hasn't sensed Roethlisberger is having problems picking things up. Haley continued on in the interview, which you can read the full transcript of at the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, that basically football is football and that the terminology used is the only real issue after teaching the philosophy of what the offense will be. While Roethlisberger might be frustrated having to learn a new set of calls, acronyms and word associations, of which the old ones were most likely of his own creation, it is not like Haley is asking him to reinvent the wheel. Let's face it, the route tree is the route tree and many, if not all of the running plays, will be the same staple that we have seen for eons. It keeps coming back to verbiage and language, and thus you can see why Roethlisberger keeps making the Rosetta Stone references.

The frustration of Roethlisberger should be subsiding some as the Steelers wrap up their final OTA session this week. Next week is mini-camp and that is when Haley will run the entire offense back through all that they have installed over the course of the last three weeks according Haley. I am sure we will hear much more use of the words "change" and "frustrated" during the interviews next week, and they likely will come out of mouths' other than Roethlisberger's as well.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/06/haley-doesnt-sense-roethlisberger-is-struggling-with-learning-curve-of-offense/

tony hipchest
06-07-2012, 02:56 AM
so ben expresses frustration and difficulties picking things up and haley says he hasn't sensed Roethlisberger is having problems picking things up. :hunch:

oh my... who to believe?

i say haley passes his first major test diffusing the situation and acting like a true proffessional and a leader.

i really believe we are gonna see the best steelers offense in years, but like BIG ben, i guess i better temper my excitement as well.

TheVet
06-07-2012, 03:06 AM
Meanwhile, over in Indy, Arians is expressing concern about learning all the changes required to run Andrew Luck's offense. Seems this young upstart from Stanford wants to run plays.

Steelersfan87
06-07-2012, 03:52 AM
Arians was Peyton Manning's first quarterbacks coach. He's not actually mentally handicapped. I think he's been gone along enough to the point where random pot shots at him are inspiring yawns rather than chuckles.

vasteeler
06-07-2012, 10:35 AM
Arians was Peyton Manning's first quarterbacks coach. He's not actually mentally handicapped. I think he's been gone along enough to the point where random pot shots at him are inspiring yawns rather than chuckles.

not even close to true, still funny as hell:chuckle:

vasteeler
06-07-2012, 10:36 AM
Well. For those of you who still seem to think Ben is sour over Arians exit from the city, we'll find out for sure if Mendy's released. They are GREAT friends.

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/MendenhallHump.gif

dammit bags, like galax i was trying to forget about that......very awkward

Steelersfan87
06-07-2012, 12:10 PM
not even close to true, still funny as hell:chuckle:

Well, I stand corrected then. :flap: I suppose I should only speak for myself, but I'm far more interested in the future than the past, and Bruce Arians is the past now.

Atlanta Dan
06-07-2012, 12:16 PM
Well, I stand corrected then. :flap: I suppose I should only speak for myself, but I'm far more interested in the future than the past, and Bruce Arians is the past now.

And thank goodness for that

Now all we need is for Ben to master what Ed.B. of the P-G calls "The Book Of Todd":chuckle:

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/haley-steelers-players-offense-melding-639309/

EbonySteel86
06-07-2012, 12:28 PM
I just don't understand the frustration, just hand the ball off when Haley tells you to, and throw it when he tells you to. Geez, its not that hard. Matt Cassel didn't seem to have aproblem with this offense, maybe we should get him to show Ben how its done. Smh!!!!

Hawaii 5-0
06-07-2012, 03:45 PM
Haley doesn't need to coddle Roethlisberger

JUN 7
By Jamison Hensley | ESPN.com

Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley was asked if he was worried that quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has often expressed concern in transitioning to the new offense.

"I haven't sensed any of that concern, at least me personally," Haley said Wednesday in his first interview with Pittsburgh reporters since April. "He's in here, he's working hard. He's into it -- even the days when he hasn't practiced, he's over my shoulder, talking, commenting, discussing. That's what I've seen out of all the good quarterbacks -- really good quarterbacks -- that I've been around act like."

There shouldn't be any consternation even if Roethlisberger is concerned about assimilating to a new offense. This is June, not September. If Roethlisberger still is unsettled about the offense the night before playing the Broncos, that's when SteelerNation should sound the alarm.

This really shouldn't be an issue. Don't get me wrong, the franchise quarterback should be comfortable with the offense and a two-time Super Bowl-winning one should have a say in how the offense ultimately looks.

But it's not Haley's job to coddle Roethlisberger. It's his job to improve the 21st-ranked scoring offense. It's his job to boost the 18th-ranked red zone offense. And most importantly, it's his job to protect Roethlisberger.

There's little chance of the Steelers scoring more points and scoring more in the red zone without a healthy Roethlisberger. You just have to look at the Steelers' offense after Roethlisberger sustained a high-ankle sprain. The Steelers took a step forward in this area when they drafted guard David DeCastro and offensive tackle Mike Adams with their first two picks. But Haley has to get Roethlisberger to help himself as well.

I keep going back to right after the 2011 season when Art Rooney II said Roethlisberger may need to "tweak" his game. Haley needs to convince Roethlisberger to get rid of the ball quicker, and that means changing the way Roethlisberger thinks. One of Roethlisberger's biggest strengths is extending plays, and the Steelers can't eliminate that totally. The team just has to reduce this because it increases the chances of Roethlisberger getting hurt.

In Haley's two seasons as offensive coordinator in Arizona (2007-08), the Cardinals ranked in the top 11 in fewest sacks allowed. They gave up a total of 52 sacks in those two years, which is 12 more than Roethlisberger got sacked all of last season. A big reason for the low number of sacks in Arizona was Kurt Warner's quick decision-making. More fast-hitting passes should be in Roethlisberger's future. He excelled in this game plan last season when he picked apart the Patriots.

Changing to a new offense is a challenge for Roethlisberger because he hasn't had to do it. He might feel better about it when his body feels better at the end of the season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/category/_/name/pittsburgh-steelers

steelfury02
06-07-2012, 04:01 PM
Bruce is so dumb he asked Ben what comes after X and he said Y and he replied CUZ I WANNA KNOW - yuck, yuck , yuck

Atlanta Dan
06-07-2012, 05:11 PM
To the extent he wanted to draw attention to his concerns Ben has succeeded - The Washington Post is running this AP story this afternoon

In what can be interpreted as another visible manifestation of his aversion to change, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger wore a No. 78 jersey for the team’s final offseason training activity on Thursday.

Roethlisberger said he eschewed his regular No. 7 “in honor of” former Steelers left tackle Max Starks, who tore a knee ligament during the January playoff loss in Denver and remains unsigned. It’s the second consecutive season Roethlisberger made such a public suggestion to the organization to bring back his teammate and friend.

Such a move is not unlike the two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback’s subtle references in recent weeks on adapting to a new offense. Roethlisberger has repeatedly made it clear he was apprehensive about the transition from former offensive coordinator Bruce Arians — a close friend — to that of Todd Haley, former coach of the Chiefs.

As he walked off Heinz Field wearing the old and tattered jersey Thursday, Roethlisberger said he and the rest of the offense have “made progress” digesting the new terminology.

“Every day is a little bit better,” Roethlisberger said. “I’m not saying I can go out and call a game myself right now, but I understand when he calls a play, I know what’s going on for the most part. So we’re getting it down to figuring it out.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/like-it-or-not-steelers-quarterback-roethlisberger-slowly-adapting-to-haleys-offense/2012/06/07/gJQAIVLpLV_story.html

Can you imagine Brady, Manning or Brees continuing to claim learning the playbook is this tough?

Maybe Ben can wear a #68 jersey in honor of Kemo in mini-camp

Steelersfan87
06-07-2012, 05:16 PM
"WE'RE PUTTING THE OLD STUFF BEHIND AND MOVING FORWARD."

http://www.steelers.com/video-and-audio/videos/Ben-Roethlisberger---67/815e40aa-6f7f-48ed-8c26-ca0b715d371a

Atlanta Dan
06-07-2012, 05:20 PM
"WE'RE PUTTING THE OLD STUFF BEHIND AND MOVING FORWARD."

http://www.steelers.com/video-and-audio/videos/Ben-Roethlisberger---67/815e40aa-6f7f-48ed-8c26-ca0b715d371a

Wearing the #78 jersey today certainly fits with that theme:noidea:

Steelersfan87
06-07-2012, 05:24 PM
Better tell Ryan Clark to stop wearing #21 then. I mean how many years has that guy been dead already?

Roethlisberger wearing #78 means absolutely nothing and it's utterly ridiculous that anybody chose to read anything at all into that other than that he would like to see Starks, a close friend, rejoin the team. Like he did last year.

Bayz101
06-07-2012, 05:47 PM
Damn! Ben's losing that extra neck of his :rofl:

Glad to see he's in shape. New offensive line. This is going to be a great year.

EDIT: Watched the video all the way through and didn't even notice Ben was wearing #78. That's cool.

I'd like to have Starks back for insurance, but not a starter. I think we'll grab him somehow.

Bayz101
06-07-2012, 05:54 PM
Wearing the #78 jersey today certainly fits with that theme:noidea:

:crying01:

Fire Arians
06-07-2012, 05:57 PM
Wearing the #78 jersey today certainly fits with that theme:noidea:

maybe the rooney's plan to have him take less sacks is to give him the number #78 so defenders think he's a lineman

Atlanta Dan
06-07-2012, 06:41 PM
Better tell Ryan Clark to stop wearing #21 then. I mean how many years has that guy been dead already?

Roethlisberger wearing #78 means absolutely nothing and it's utterly ridiculous that anybody chose to read anything at all into that other than that he would like to see Starks, a close friend, rejoin the team. Like he did last year.

But I thought everyone was looking forward and not back?:chuckle:

As far as Clark wearing #21, what is the offical protocol on how much time needs to pass before it is no longer appropriate to wear the jersey number of someone who has died?

Steelersfan87
06-07-2012, 07:57 PM
Do you honestly have a problem with Ben wearing a #78 jersey in practice one day? Something that he also did last year, in a show of loyalty to a friend (which he believes may very well be back anyway when he's fully recovered from his injury)?

Atlanta Dan
06-07-2012, 09:03 PM
Do you honestly have a problem with Ben wearing a #78 jersey in practice one day? Something that he also did last year, in a show of loyalty to a friend (which he believes may very well be back anyway when he's fully recovered from his injury)?

He can wear and say whatever he wants. I find it somewhat of a disconnect to claim you are not looking back while wearing the jersey of a player whom the Steelers have no intention of starting this year and which the coaching stff (for whatever reason) has been trying to run off for years

We are not talking here about Peyton Manning wanting to wear hightops to honor the pasing of Johnny U - it is just another minor thing where Ben keeps tossing out little nuggets to draw attention. You take the bad with the good but that is a side of Ben that has been a pain since his rookie years

If Ben wants to stop the media bulls**t then just lay low

Curtain_of_Steel
06-07-2012, 09:59 PM
Lots of wind in this thread, lol.


If Ben wants to wear another players number, who cares. Again, people read into it. Ben is no dummy, but does have respect for current and past teammates. So whats the big deal? Why should he lay low, has he even said anything wrong? Did I miss the Tomlin interview where Tomlin sad, gush golly, I wish Ben would Shut TF up. So who cares what he says, how he says it. Come September, millions will be cheering for him!

Hawaii 5-0
06-07-2012, 10:59 PM
Ben Roethlisberger Already Wearing The No. 78 Jersey Of Max Starks

Thursday, June 7th, 2012 by Dave Bryan

Is it homage or is it want? It is likely both as Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was spotted wearing the No. 78 jersey by Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette today during the teams' final OTA session of the 2012 off-season Thursday at Heinz Field.

Of course that number belonged to his good friend and former teammate, Max Starks, who is currently a free agent and still recovering from surgery to repair a torn ACL that suffered against the Denver Broncos in the AFC Wild Card game last year.

Roethlisberger in no stranger to wearing the No. 78 though, as he also was spotted wearing it last year during training camp. Following that first practice wearing it, Roethlisberger was asked about it. "We were the last two of our draft class (2004), and Max's locker was next to mine for seven-eight years now. So I saw (his jersey), I grabbed it and wore it in honor of Max," said Roethlisberger. The quarterback continued by saying, "First and foremost, he was a very good friend," said Roethlisberger. "Like I said, our lockers were next to each other. So we spent a lot of time together, everything from hearing him snore [during naps] to us complaining about things to just all the things we've gone through. A very good friend, good teammate and I'm not going to [rule] out the possibility that he might come back. Who knows?"

Starks had been released just prior to training camp last year, and while he was not signed back before the start of the regular season, the Steelers did bring him back on a one-year deal following their loss to the Houston Texans in week four after both Jonathan Scott and Trai Essex failed to prove worthy of starting at left tackle. Luckily Starks still had a firm understanding of the offense and was able to get up to speed quickly to start week five against the Tennessee Titans. He played well in his return and claimed that the adrenaline of being back helped power him through that game. Starks ended up starting the rest of the year at left tackle and he stabilized the Steelers offensive line that seemed like a merry-go-round due to all the injuries and combinations that were used.

That same left tackle spot remains up in the air currently as the Steelers head towards mini-camp next week. Second round draft pick Mike Adams will finally be on the field after missing all of the OTA sessions due to school requirements. Adams will be given every opportunity to win the left tackle spot, according to offensive line coach Sean Kugler on Wednesday. Kugler said that Adams and first round draft pick, right guard David DeCastro, will both get plenty of reps with both the first and second team units next week in an effort for them to show on the field what they have digested thus far from the playbook.

With Adams not participating since the rookie mini-camp, that was held right after the draft, the Steelers have worked Scott, Essex and second year tackle Marcus Gilbert all on the left side. It seems pretty obvious though that Kugler really wants Gilbert to stay on the right side, where he started most of his rookie season after Willie Colon suffered his triceps injury against the Baltimore Ravens in week one. Gilbert is getting reps on the left just in case Adams can't win the job it would seem and Kugler said as much on Wednesday.

Starks, who was back in Pittsburgh for a charity golf tournament the weekend before the first OTA session started, was spotted at the Steelers facility that first week getting his knee checked out by the team doctors. That is normal practice even though Starks is currently unsigned and nothing can really be read into that. Starks had even stated that he had yet to have discussions with the organization about a possible return, but he said that he does still hope that very thing comes to fruition as he has not given up playing somewhere in 2012.

Starks recovery timetable is still sketchy, and it is likely that he will not be cleared medically by the time training camp gets started in Latrobe. About the time the Steelers break camp and get into their pre-season schedule is likely the more realistic time frame for Starks to be cleared to play. Should Adams not have a good showing in camp or pre-season, then and only then will the Steelers most likely consider turning to their former third round draft pick. So basically Thursday will most likely not be the last time you see Roethlisberger wearing the old No. 78, which just so happened to not be issued to any of the rookies or undrafted players this off-season. You think Roethlisberger had anything to do with that?

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/06/ben-roethlisberger-already-wearing-the-no-78-jersey-of-max-starks/

Steelersfan87
06-07-2012, 11:13 PM
He can wear and say whatever he wants. I find it somewhat of a disconnect to claim you are not looking back while wearing the jersey of a player whom the Steelers have no intention of starting this year and which the coaching stff (for whatever reason) has been trying to run off for years

We are not talking here about Peyton Manning wanting to wear hightops to honor the pasing of Johnny U - it is just another minor thing where Ben keeps tossing out little nuggets to draw attention. You take the bad with the good but that is a side of Ben that has been a pain since his rookie years

If Ben wants to stop the media bulls**t then just lay low

...

He was talking about the new offense. You don't refer to good friends as "the old stuff" and move on from them. The jersey and the comment are obviously unrelated. :noidea:

Wallace108
06-08-2012, 12:06 AM
I knew you were going to bring up Bubby Brister. Roethlisberger is not Bubby Brister.
Of course Roethlisberger isn't Bubby Brister. Ben is far and away a better quarterback. But their situations are similar. And my concern was that Ben was handling it similar to how Brister handled it. The difference is that Brister was aggressive with his discontent. Ben is more passive-aggressive.

Who is willing to issue a mea culpa if this turns out to be a non-story midway through the regular season? If everything blows up, I'm more than willing to eat my words about it being nothing.
Most of this is based on our perceptions. Two people can hear the same comment and get two different interpretations. With Ben's comment about fans getting what they want, Tanda interpreted it as a joke, whereas I interpreted it as a jab. So who's right? I highly doubt Ben would ever admit that he took a jab at his fans, so we'll never know for sure.

Posters in this thread seem to be evenly split between those who are concerned or irritated with Ben's comments and those who think it's a non-story and not worthy of discussion. So who's right? We'll probably never know because it's based on our own perceptions. Unless I missed some posts, none of us who are in the camp of not liking Ben's comments have predicted doom and gloom. No one has said there will be a blowup between Ben and Haley, or Ben won't learn the offense, or there will be other problems because of Ben's comments. I've said that if he doesn't change his attitude, there potentially could be problems. But saying that there potentially could be problems isn't the same as saying there definitely will be problems. So if nothing happens and they go on to have a great season, that doesn't mean that I was wrong. Even if they have a great season, that doesn't change the fact that I don't like Ben's comments this offseason. I'll compare it to comments Faneca made when Ben was making his first start:

The excitement that rookie quarterback Ben Roethlisberger might bring Sunday in Miami to his first NFL start is not what co-captain Alan Faneca prefers.

No disrespect to his young quarterback, but excitement is not what Faneca is feeling at the moment.

"Exciting?" Faneca replied to a question in an are-you-crazy kind of way. "No, it's not exciting. Do you want to go work with some little young kid who's just out of college?"

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/not-everyone-is-excited-about-roethlisbergers-first-nfl-start-551041/?print=1

Faneca's comment obviously had no effect on Ben or the team, but that doesn't change the fact that it was unnecessary and he didn't have to say it.

Hawaii 5-0
06-08-2012, 12:17 AM
Big Ben slowly picking up new offense

UPDATED JUN 7, 2012
Associated Press

In what can be interpreted as another visible manifestation of his aversion to change, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger wore a No. 78 jersey for the team's final offseason training activity on Thursday.

Roethlisberger said he eschewed his regular No. 7 ''in honor of'' former Steelers left tackle Max Starks, who tore a knee ligament during the January playoff loss in Denver and remains unsigned. It's the second consecutive season Roethlisberger made such a public suggestion to the organization to bring back his teammate and friend.

Such a move is not unlike the two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback's subtle references in recent weeks on adapting to a new offense. Roethlisberger has repeatedly made it clear he was apprehensive about the transition from former offensive coordinator Bruce Arians — a close friend — to that of Todd Haley, former coach of the Chiefs.

As he walked off Heinz Field wearing the old and tattered jersey Thursday, Roethlisberger said he and the rest of the offense have ''made progress'' digesting the new terminology.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/big_ben_slowly_picking_up_new_offense/10964384

Steelersfan87
06-08-2012, 01:10 AM
Dodens Grav: Get over it, Wallace108

:flap:

TheVet
06-08-2012, 02:24 AM
Doddens, we're going to be talking about Arians around here for a long time. That era of incompetence was an epic fail. A smell like that doesn't go away.

If we don't pause to reflect on the past, how will we appreciate the dramatic improvements in the present? If we hadn't suffered through two and a half decades of Stoudts and Kordells, would we appreciate Ben as much as we do?

Ready or not, an NFL-caliber Offensive Coordinator is coming to Pittsburgh!