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67 calsteel
06-12-2012, 10:25 AM
Just pick up my first 2012 nfl preview book.Lindy's sports have the steelers rank 4th at linebacker.Below is a list of who is ahead of us
Rankings.
1) San Francisco 49ers
2)Kanas City Chiefs
3)Houston Texans
4) Pittsburgh Steelers

What do you think?

StainlessStill
06-12-2012, 10:37 AM
Fair enough since we lost one of our longterm leaders smack dab in the middle of our defense with Farrior. If Farrior would of returned, I think we would of been deserving atleast a 2nd or 3rd ranking but we'll be out to prove we're #1 if Lawrence Timmons can catch on and have a phenomenal season.

Buddha Bus
06-12-2012, 10:46 AM
Meh. These "rankings" are meaningless and have no real basis in what will actually transpire on the football field in the fall. These are basically opinions and nothing more. I don't put much stock in them one way or another, but I guess it's fair enough.

pete74
06-12-2012, 11:06 AM
I agree with it. On paper it looks right to me.

pancake
06-12-2012, 11:16 AM
I will say this, I wouldn't trade the Steelers unit for any other unit. (as a whole)

teegre
06-12-2012, 11:20 AM
It's hard to argue against that top 3.

To have any shot at #2 (I'll concede #1 to SF), the following has to occur:

Harrison & Woodley need to stay healthy. Timmons needs to regain the form that he had in 2010. And Foote...well...he played a lot last season, but he's nothing spectacular. Let's just hope that Sly can make the jump to starter ASAP.

Kingmagyar
06-12-2012, 12:38 PM
A healthy Woodley and Harrison along with a better year by Timmons would easily put us in the running for the top spot. Bowman and Willis on the inside and Aldon Smith 14 sacks for Frisco is hard to beat but a healthy season by our guys makes for a better battle tested and reliable group. Aldon Smith is also strictly a pass rush specialist and is not counted on for pass coverage or run support.

Not that impressed with Houston. Connor Barwin had 11.5 sacks but no other got to double digits.

KC is similar with only one big guy Tamba Hali with double digit sacks (12) and stable guys around him. But Woodley and Harrison with double digit sacks would outweigh that. Throw is Sean Spence say in situational blitz plays and our LBs could have a big year.

Fire Arians
06-12-2012, 12:59 PM
hard to argue that SF's linebackers are #1 right now. Don't know if I'd rank KC over Texans tho, tho Hali is no joke.

We would be #2 if the team was healthy last year.

Steelerindc
06-12-2012, 01:38 PM
i would take Patrick Willis over any of our ILB's, as far as Tamba Hali I like him and he is a beast but a healthy James Harrison has a all around better game. Harrison is better in pass coverage and just as lethal rushing he passer.

tanda10506
06-12-2012, 03:17 PM
Totally disagree. San Francisco is #1 until our D steps up big again then it will be close. But the Chiefs!!!??? There is NO WAY IN HELL anybody will ever convince me that Tamba Hali (pretty damn good) along with Justin Houston, Jovan Belcher, and Derrick Johnson are better then Harrison (top 5 OLB to ever play), Woodley, and Timmons. Again, Tamba is pretty good, but I wouldn't take all 3 of their other LB's for Harrison or Woodley. Plus Foote isn't bad he's just not top notch. As for the Texans, they HAD a good LB crew with Cushing, Ryans, and Mario, but 2 of those guys are gone now. Barwin and Reed played well but I don't see how Cushing along with Mario Williams replacement and Damico Ryans replacement could be better then Timmons, Harrison, Foote, and Woodley. If it's being based strictly off of last years performance then the list is pretty accurate but that's only due to our injuries last year, our top 2 LB's only played about 2 or 3 regular season games together and they were both missing at times, plus our ILB moved to OLB for a few games too. The stats don't tell the whole tale and being that this is for the upcoming season, I would take Timmons, Woodley, Foote, and Harrison along with all their playoff win's, winning seasons, top defenses, and SB's over whoever had the best stats last year while we were plagued. :tt03::tt04:

All that said, I still think San Fran is #1 and will be until our D plays like 2008 again.

tanda10506
06-12-2012, 03:29 PM
KC is similar with only one big guy Tamba Hali

My point exactly, the other 3 KC LB's play well, but it's ridiculous to put them over our top notch crew when they only have one top notch guy. As you went on to mention, Houston will be like that this year.

MDSteel15
06-13-2012, 01:17 PM
How can they put Houston in front of us when they lost the 2 best players on D and Cushinig is just a product of steroids!!!

teegre
06-13-2012, 02:03 PM
On the NFL Network, the other night, they had "Top Ten: Linebacking Corps." Blitzburgh of the 90s was sixth (I still contend that they'd be higher if they had won a SuperBowl); the Steel Curtian was second; and, Sam Mils' group was first.**

**My point is not whether the Steel Curtain LBs should be first, my point is that those were some LBing corps!!!

Maybe I'm a curmudgeon, but when one grows up with Lambert, Ham, Russell, Merriwhether, Lloyd, Greene, Kirkland, Brown... well... I've become spoiled. In other words: this current set of LBers is good, and arguably the top (or second best) of the current corps...but none of these current groups today can shake a stick at even the tenth best on that list (the 2000 Ravens).

Harrison could hang with ANY of those aforementioned players, and Woodley is easily as good as Greene and/or Kirkland...but, Timmons has only had one "Chad Brown" type of year (& no Lambert types of years).

SUMMATION: I want better.

Riddle_Of_Steel
06-15-2012, 02:22 PM
SF corps had one great year under a new head coach. They played inspired. Lets see them duplicate that this year-- Patrick Willis and company spent too much time on a bottom-feeding team to annoint them #1 after one good season.

Just my $0.02....

Millers the sh!t
06-17-2012, 01:15 AM
Ummmm.... Based in last year maybe this is true. But with all the losses this year I'd say out crew is number two.

Even still.... With all out injuries suspensions last year we still come in spot four? I'll take it.

If our boys played the whole season without missing games we would be any less than number two.

This topic is a product of off season boredom anyways....

Millers the sh!t
06-17-2012, 01:19 AM
On the NFL Network, the other night, they had "Top Ten: Linebacking Corps." Blitzburgh of the 90s was sixth (I still contend that they'd be higher if they had won a SuperBowl); the Steel Curtian was second; and, Sam Mils' group was first.**

**My point is not whether the Steel Curtain LBs should be first, my point is that those were some LBing corps!!!

Maybe I'm a curmudgeon, but when one grows up with Lambert, Ham, Russell, Merriwhether, Lloyd, Greene, Kirkland, Brown... well... I've become spoiled. In other words: this current set of LBers is good, and arguably the top (or second best) of the current corps...but none of these current groups today can shake a stick at even the tenth best on that list (the 2000 Ravens).

Harrison could hang with ANY of those aforementioned players, and Woodley is easily as good as Greene and/or Kirkland...but, Timmons has only had one "Chad Brown" type of year (& no Lambert types of years).

SUMMATION: I want better.


I think the next draft will make great strides into improving the lb'ing core......

teegre
06-17-2012, 09:57 AM
I think the next draft will make great strides into improving the lb'ing core......

I hope so. I'd take the following type of draft (based on the rounds in which each was originally drafted). If Pittsburgh got three players like the following, they might, once again, have an "all-time" top ten group.

R2: Lambert
R3: Porter
R6: Lloyd

[R1: S...to eventually replace The Hair.]

Millers the sh!t
06-17-2012, 11:56 AM
I don't think Lambert could excel in today's game.

I doubt he could drop back and he'd just get fined and suspended for being a professional badass.

PhantomJB93
06-17-2012, 12:52 PM
I'm biased and would say we're first. But I can see the argument for SF and don't really have a complaint with them at 1. I would say we're better than KC most definitely since they only have one superstar but without Farrior I guess there are doubts about our interior and they have a more balanced starting corps in place. Ranking us below Houston is an absolute joke to me though, especially without Ryans and Williams now.

teegre
06-17-2012, 02:29 PM
I don't think Lambert could excel in today's game.

I doubt he could drop back and he'd just get fined and suspended for being a professional badass.

Alas, you are correct: he'd be suspended & out of the league by the third quarter of his first game.

[Although, I think that he could drop into coverage; that's what made the 70s group so special: they rarely came off of the field on third downs.]

Suspensions eliminate Lambert...so, in R2, give me Kirkland, Brown, or another Woodley.

On a personal level, too bad a Lambert-esque player wouldn't survive in today's NFL, because as an infant, my brother cried when he saw Lambert...and, it would've been awesome to see a 35 year old man cry. LOL

jjpro11
06-18-2012, 01:17 AM
yeah.. we've been pretty spoiled with linebackers.. in this decade alone we went from Porter-Farrior-Foote-Haggans immediately to Harrison-Farrior-Timmons-Woodley. and won a Super Bowl with each core. that's not even factoring in having Hampton and Smith anchoring down the line so those guys can run free. that's just not fair.

Hawaii 5-0
07-03-2012, 02:54 AM
Next Few Months Key For The Steelers Chris Carter

Jun 30th, 2012 by DomSteelers

As most of you probably know, the Steelers have arguably one of the best 3-4 Outside Linebacker rotations in the National Football League. James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley are established Pro Bowl players, and Jason Worilds is a solid backup behind both of the starters. While these three aforementioned players sit atop Pittsburgh’s depth chart, there is not a whole heck of a lot of experienced depth (3-4 scheme-wise) behind them. Chris Carter however is one player on the Steelers’ roster though that will be hungry to take hold of the other top backup spot at the Outside Linebacker position as he begins his second year in the League. So today I would like to discuss Carter’s career so far, and why his development over the next few months and the 2012 season are so important for him, the Outside Linebacker position, and the Defense as a whole.

Carter’s College Career and Rookie Season

Like almost all of the Outside Linebackers which have starred for the franchise over the last two decades, Carter lined up as a Defensive End in at Fresno State. A pass-rush specialist, Carter tore up the WAC off the edge, and really showcased his skills at getting to the Quarterback over his collegiate career. And as three year starter for the Bulldogs, Carter really emerged during his last two seasons with the team.

The 6’1” 248 lb. Carter earned All-WAC honors in 2009 and 2010, and was named Conference Defensive Player of the Year his Senior campaign where he racked up 11.0 Sacks, 16.5 Tackles For Losses, and 4 Forced Fumbles. Considered a smaller pass-rushing tweener (DE/OLB hybrid) coming out of college, Carter was thought to be a solid mid-Round selection for a 3-4 team looking to develop an Outside Linebacker. Always on the lookout to bolster their pass-rush, the Steelers were one of those teams looking for a player with a skill-set like Carter’s to develop, and selected him up in the 5th Round last season.

After starring in college, Carter had a somewhat difficult Rookie season in Pittsburgh. Like almost all first year players on the Defensive side of the ball, Carter saw almost zero time during his Rookie season (3 Tackles, 1 Tackle For Loss Total in 2011). It is hard enough for many Rookies to transition to Defensive Coordinator Dick LeBeau’s Defensive schemes, but Carter was faced with a hamstring injury and limited to only 8 games, he had to learn a new position (3-4 OLB), and he did not have the luxury of OTA’s and minicamps during his first offseason to boot. Due to the lockout, Linebackers Coach Keith Butler described how difficult it was for Carter, as well as the team’s other young Linebackers (specifically Worilds and Stevenson Sylvester) to continue/begin their development and transition to their new positions the Steelers 3-4 scheme. Thus, to say that Carter’s first season was a tad rocky is somewhat of an understatement.

Carter’s Chances of Seizing Roster Spot

Over the next few months though, the 23 year-old Carter will have his best chance to put his skills on display and outplay the competition which will be after his backup job. Lucky for Carter, his top competition is a bit thin at the moment as he will likely have to fend off former Bengals newcomer Brandon Johnson (who will likely be used in Pass Coverage and Special Teams), UDFA tweener from Temple Adrian Robinson, 2011 UDFA Brandon Hicks from Florida, and possibly even newly acquired UDFA Ryan Baker and recently injury-waived UDFA tweener Brandon Lindsey of Pitt if he comes back healthy or clears waivers.

Despite the numbers of players competing for his job, Carter should have the best chance to win the 2nd string job opposite Worilds for two important reasons. First, he has the most experience in the LeBeau Defense, and second, he has extended experience on the Special Teams units. Plus, as Butler alluded to in the video I linked above, Carter has been given somewhat of a benefit of the doubt because he has yet to have a full offseason of OTA’s and minicamps to impress the coaching staff and show off his skills and the knowledge he has picked up so far of the Defensive system. While he may have some important advantages, Carter will still need to put his skills on display and impress the Coaching Staff over the next few months, and put his stamp on the backup job as quickly as possible. With an impressive training camp and preseason, there should be no reason Carter is left off of the roster.

Why Carter’s Emergence/Development Is Specifically Important

Overall Pass-Rushing Depth

As a whole, depth and help as a pass-rusher would be the two biggest things Carter could bring to the table if he realizes his potential and continues to develop. Sure, the Steelers currently have some of the best pass-rushers in the game, and Carter will likely be relegated to Special Teams duty this season. Yet the injury-bug has not been kind to the Steelers and their Outside Linebackers over the last couple of seasons, and other issues also could be causes for alarm for the team in the not too distant future.

As it stands now, James Harrison is 34, has had back issues, and is not what you would call “BFF” with The Commissioner of the sport. Deebo might have another couple of seasons left in the tank, but back injuries are never the easiest to sustain and continue a high level of play with in one’s mid 30’s. Plus, after he was benched for one game last season after a perfectly legal hit on Colt McCoy, there is no telling what his punishment will be the next time he lights some poor guy up that decides to put his body in harm’s way. Granted, Jason Worilds has played well when given his chances over his three seasons with the team. Still, Worilds has missed multiple games over his short career with various injuries, and will reach Restricted Free Agent status after this season ends. Finally, despite the fact that he came on strong after a quiet and unimpressive start, LaMarr Woodley still missed significant time with a hamstring injury last season, and looked less than 100% towards the end of the season after he came back to the starting lineup.

Unlike Harrison though, I am sure Woodley will be fine and in tip-top shape in 2012 and beyond, and his health and long-term productivity are not causes for concern. But in the event that Harrison retires after the next couple of seasons and Worilds continues to get injured or leaves as a Free Agent, the Steelers still will need another pass-rusher or two to step-up and pick up some of the slack. Thus, Carter could be called upon to eventually fill that role come late 2013 or 2014 and give the Steelers another viable pass-rushing threat to pair with Woodley, and possibly even Worilds too if he decides to stay.

What to Look for This Season

As I alluded to before, Carter will likely not be thrust into the starting lineup unless a rash of injuries strike the Outside Linebacker position at such a high rate like they did last season. Nevertheless, the continued development of Carter as a stand-up pass-rusher might be important for this team over the coming seasons, and Training Camp and the preseason will be the places for us fans to keep a close eye on the former Fresno State Bulldog.

Like James Harrison, Lawrence Timmons, and it seems like all other Linebackers (especially tweeners) before him, Carter will likely be slated for another season on the Special Teams units as he learns the tricks of the trade from the Coaching Staff and the veterans at his position. There are few in the League which have the luxury of learning from some of the best at their craft (Harrison and Woodley), can be pushed by other young talent like Worilds, and getting some of the best coaching (Butler and LeBeau), all at the same time during their second year like Carter can. So if everything works out well, Carter, along with the other young LB’s, Worilds and Sylvester, should be able to take advantage of a full offseason of work and continue to improve each and every day at their respective positions.

Final Thoughts

I cannot wait for Training Camp, and I cannot wait to see what ends up happening with the Outside Linebacker situation over the next few seasons. As I stated before, Woodley is and will be a lock to start at one of the spots, but as far as Harrison and Worilds go, their futures’ with the franchise post 2013 could be a bit of a mystery.

At least to me, the backup roster spot and chance to develop into the next in line of the Steelers’ OLB’s should be Carter’s to lose over the next few months. My hope is that Carter can develop in a way similar to another former WAC tweener drafted in the 5th Round by the franchise who had a number of nice seasons for the Steelers: Clark Haggans. Like Haggans, hopefully Carter can emerge after a few seasons on Special Teams and become a solid Outside Linebacker if and when he is finally called upon to contribute.

All we can do though now is wait, and see what unfolds over the next few months.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/06/30/next-few-months-key-for-the-steelers-chris-carter-draft/