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SteelCityAssassin
08-06-2012, 09:02 PM
First off, hello all, I read this and other Steeler forums often.

When Mike Tomlin was hired I loved the pick, and was very happy about his decision to keep the Steelers d as it was. I love the 3 - 4, and no one plays it better than the steelers.......

...BUT looking at our current D-Line situation, and some of the injuries to the line backing corps, isn't it a possibilty???

We could have Kiesel, Hood, Mclendon, Heyward (not necessarily in that order)

Then have LT, Woodley, foote (hopefully spence)

for some subpackages used only in specific situations, It would throw opposing teams for a loop.. I would liken it to how the giants have that speed d-line package.

Bayz101
08-06-2012, 09:18 PM
It's definitely a possibility, but a possibility and a success are two different things. Not with D.L. as our coordinator, but it's certainly a possibility for the near future.

Bayz101
08-06-2012, 09:24 PM
Oh, and welcome to the forum. :drink:

BGSU A Dub
08-06-2012, 10:07 PM
I like having a 3-4 because linebackers in the NFL are so versatile.

SteelCityAssassin
08-06-2012, 10:23 PM
I like having a 3-4 because linebackers in the NFL are so versatile.

to reiterate...
I love the 3 -4 and hope it is always our base d, but think of what opposing o-lines would think if came out in a 4-3 for a few downs. Maybe pull it out a few times a year.


Bayz, do you think kb would do this once he takes the helm.. Assuming that he has the personel.

ricardisimo
08-06-2012, 11:22 PM
Lebeau has stated numerous times that they already do have a 4-3 that they use regularly to mix things up. You're wishing for something they already use.

Millers the sh!t
08-06-2012, 11:50 PM
Doesn't this already exist? I'm pretty sure I've seen Pit line up in a 4-3 a few times.

tony hipchest
08-06-2012, 11:59 PM
keisel and hood (or heyward) are not your prototypical edge rushers in a 4-3 alignment.

woodley maybe, but that means you take keisel, hood (or heyward) off the field.

for the same reasons, we wouldnt put mclendon/taamu/hampton out there as the core group of our 3-4 DL (although its reasonable to think nobody would run on us- except to the outside).

tony hipchest
08-07-2012, 12:05 AM
Doesn't this already exist? I'm pretty sure I've seen Pit line up in a 4-3 a few times.well alot of times the steelers are lined up w/ 5 men on the LOS (3 DL and 2 OLB). they dont call it a 5-2 offense though. the steelers defens is predicated on many shifts and motions, much like an offense. that is one reason the steelers defense is so hard to learn and rookie defenders take so long to develop.

lebeau has only been at this shit for 50 years.

SteelCityAssassin
08-07-2012, 03:31 AM
keisel and hood (or heyward) are not your prototypical edge rushers in a 4-3 alignment.

woodley maybe, but that means you take keisel, hood (or heyward) off the field.

for the same reasons, we wouldnt put mclendon/taamu/hampton out there as the core group of our 3-4 DL (although its reasonable to think nobody would run on us- except to the outside).



I wouldn't put Mclendon in the same grouping as Ta'amu and hampton..

Heyward Mclendon Kiesel Hood

I think it would work as a subpackage.. and scare alot of teams.
I would't want to see this personnel grouping often tho..

Use that with 2 backers 4 corners & troy..

I dunno just a thought until there is something to talk about

tanda10506
08-07-2012, 04:19 AM
Not to mention Harrison, maybe our best LB, is off the field in every situation mentioned, in favor of Hood, McClendon, or Heyward. Plus Woodley is more of a 3-4 fit, as is Keisel and our NT's. They've used it a few times and I'm sure they will every now and then, but it won't be "the defense" in Pittsburgh anytime soon.

pete74
08-07-2012, 04:49 AM
i think Hood would make a better 4-3 DT then a 3-4 DE. he played it in college and i really didnt see him as an end when we drafted him

steelfury02
08-07-2012, 07:02 AM
6-2 stack monster

Fire Arians
08-07-2012, 12:00 PM
It's definitely a possibility, but a possibility and a success are two different things. Not with D.L. as our coordinator, but it's certainly a possibility for the near future.

i wonder if lebeau has something up his sleeve. we have 4 capable D-linemen, and we also drafted spence, who's on the smaller side for a 3-4 linebacker, but could be disruptive in a 4-3.

Not saying that he can't do very well in a 3-4, but who knows, maybe they plan to make it a hybrid defense on some packages

SteelCityAssassin
08-07-2012, 12:10 PM
Not to mention Harrison, maybe our best LB, is off the field in every situation mentioned, in favor of Hood, McClendon, or Heyward. Plus Woodley is more of a 3-4 fit, as is Keisel and our NT's. They've used it a few times and I'm sure they will every now and then, but it won't be "the defense" in Pittsburgh anytime soon.

trust me, I want to see Harrison on the field as much as anyone, but he is having some issues staying healthy. In fact if he plays more than 10 games this yr, I will be pleasently suprised.

steelfury02
08-07-2012, 12:30 PM
I think at this point, if we can keep him healthy for the final push by rotating him then I would be thrilled

The dude is a walking wound - not saying he still isn't great, but I don't think you're going to see the Harrison of 07' - 10' anymore.

pancake
08-07-2012, 02:38 PM
I wouldn't put Mclendon in the same grouping as Ta'amu and hampton..

Heyward Mclendon Kiesel Hood

I think it would work as a subpackage.. and scare alot of teams.
I would't want to see this personnel grouping often tho..

Use that with 2 backers 4 corners & troy..

I dunno just a thought until there is something to talk about

Not much of a pass rush with those 4 up front.

TheVet
08-07-2012, 03:06 PM
Didn't we try an 8-3 in Denver?

FrancoLambert
08-07-2012, 03:11 PM
Didn't we try an 8-3 in Denver?

No, I think it was a 10 - 1.

truesteelerfan
08-07-2012, 03:15 PM
I'd love if we had a 4-3 package. Don't have to use it often - but a few times a game when LeBeau feels it would be a good fit - another things opposing teams need to prepare for.

steelfury02
08-07-2012, 03:50 PM
as long as I get to see this at some point of the season:
http://www.deseretnews.com/images/article/midres/316866/316866.jpg

Steeldude
08-07-2012, 05:29 PM
Why was SteelCityAssassin banned after just 4 posts?

TheDude
08-07-2012, 05:32 PM
Dick will have em ready.

Bayz101
08-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Why was SteelCityAssassin banned after just 4 posts?

We banned a member for flaming and baiting a few days back, and that's his reincarnation. He's made a few more accounts, actually.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-07-2012, 05:57 PM
I love how fans like to suggest that a hall of fame defensive coodinator and master of the 3-4 zone blitz system should run another front. :rofl:

fastscirocco
08-07-2012, 06:02 PM
This top confuses me ...... is the OP dyslexic and meant 3-4?

Fire Arians
08-07-2012, 06:03 PM
This top confuses me ...... is the OP dyslexic and meant 3-4?

no.

steelfury02
08-07-2012, 09:40 PM
4-3 defense meaning they have replicated Troy's DNA and have created a defensive army made of Troy-clones. Skynet, errrr, I mean, Steelers will initiate judgement day . . .

jtoven
08-08-2012, 06:15 PM
All I know is our goal line and short yardage "D" should be off the charts.