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Fire Arians
08-09-2012, 11:24 PM
Winners
Chris Rainey - Man isn't he exciting to watch? Also him being there in the first team series makes me think we have plans for him in the regular season.
AB/Sanders - looked sharp on the field
Todd Haley - I thought the first 2 offensive series were dominant. philly only had one possession the entire 1st quarter.
Steve McLendon - The training camp hype seems justified, dude is an animal
1st team defense - forced 3 and outs on the first 2 series, ending the night for the eagles starting squad as quickly as it started.

Losers
Curtis brown - beat badly twice by second/third stringers, very disappointing
Baron Batch - 19 carries for 41 yards. was averaging 2 yards per carry until he faced the 3rd team defense
Offensive Line - I think leftwich got sacked more than he completed passes today. Ben was probably taken out after the 1st series mainly because it wasn't safe to risk him behind today's pass protection. while disappointing, it's still only game 1.

tony hipchest
08-09-2012, 11:52 PM
Winners
Chris Rainey - Man isn't he exciting to watch? Also him being there in the first team series makes me think we have plans for him in the regular season.
AB/Sanders - looked sharp on the field
Todd Haley - I thought the first 2 offensive series were dominant. philly only had one possession the entire 1st quarter.
Steve McLendon - The training camp hype seems justified, dude is an animal
1st team defense - forced 3 and outs on the first 2 series, ending the night for the eagles starting squad as quickly as it started.

Losers
Curtis brown - beat badly twice by second/third stringers, very disappointing
Baron Batch - 19 carries for 41 yards. was averaging 2 yards per carry until he faced the 3rd team defense
Offensive Line - I think leftwich got sacked more than he completed passes today. Ben was probably taken out after the 1st series mainly because it wasn't safe to risk him behind today's pass protection. while disappointing, it's still only game 1.im gonna stick up for Batch-

Mark Kaboly‏@MarkKaboly_Trib

Hard to evaluate Baron Batch when Jake Stoller and Kyle Jolly are blocking for you.


redman 5/14yds
clay 5/8 yds
rainey 4/1 yd

batch ran vs 1st team defens at goal line when normally redman or dwyer would be in there. in the 4th quarter it seemed he ran 15 straight times when everybody knew he was getting the ball. i think he did respectable standing up to the punishment, and finally admit, he may be on the chopping block.

i think kelvin beachum was put in a bad position as well. when was the last time anyone has seen a 300 lb LT? 1985?

expeted more awareness from curtis brown.

johnson at OLB was suprising. spence looked VERY comfortable with the defense and his assignments (nice to see him sent on 2 blitzes) .

mclendon- like mendenhall and starks,hampton may be a back up when he comes back from PUP.

al woods looks like he has a future in this league.

Fire Arians
08-09-2012, 11:59 PM
^ good points about batch, I was surprised at the # of carries he was getting too. I would think preseason you'd try to preserve your players, and he carried the rock 19 times

curtis brown was probably the biggest disappointment to me, and mclendon i was most impressed with. rainey was exciting to watch, but I wasn't all that surprised to see he could make a big play in open space, it's what quick 4.3 speed guys do lol.

Steelersfan87
08-10-2012, 12:18 AM
Winners:

David DeCastro: Far from perfect, but he got the jitters out and made some nice pull tackles.
Baron Batch: He was offered nothing to work with until the last carry of the first half, but he really stepped up late in the game and ran with power and conviction. He fought off A LOT of contact, which is a huge step on his way back.
Steve McLendon: He was dominant at times. Probably the best player on the field in the first half.
Chris Carter: Although no sacks, lots of pressures.
Brandon Johnson: This guy wants a roster spot. He impressed me tonight.
Adrian Robinson: Had several good rushes.
Chris Rainey: He didn't have a lot to work with on handoffs and returns, but he still made the most out of a couple of them, and then put the cherry on top with some great moves on the TD.
Al Woods: I couldn't always tell when he was in, but he seemed to be the best DE for the Steelers tonight, aside from the interception.
Robert Golden: He made some tackles from a deep safety position and played well on special teams from what I could tell.
Alameda Ta'amu: I didn't notice him on every play, but I saw him getting some good pressure on plays in which he was double teamed, and even triple teamed. He's a powerful man and dangerous when motivated.
Cortez Allen: Had a pass breakup and was in position to stop other balls that were dropped. Always there to tackle the catch.

Losers:

Mike Adams: Mainly because of his injury. I'm not too worried about his sacks. The first one seemed to be one that was easy enough to fix. The second one was more on Foster for not getting out of his stance. The third one, Leftwich needs to have more awareness. He led his man around the corner. He had a nice seal block on the 4th and 1 on the opening drive that let Redman cut to his side when there was nothing open in the middle.
Corbin Bryant: Not so much a loser, but I thought he was really inconsistent. There was one play in particular where he was responsible for a big gain because he lacked edge discipline.
Curtis Brown: Great first half, really unfortunate second half. He was beaten clean on a nice double move on the first touchdown. He had good position on the second one, but he didn't get his head around off a quick release. Otherwise he honestly had a good game. I'm not worried as long as he has a short memory.
Myron Rolle: He had an ugly tackle on a ST play that could've been flagged, then missed the tackle on the last touchdown.
Kelvin Beachum: He was really tossed around by Vinny Curry and looked really bad until he and the rest of the 3rd string o-line settle down late in the 3rd.
John Malecki: the #62 jersey had me flashing back to Justin Hartwig, constantly on the ground.
David Johnson: Devastating. Just devastating. I'm feeling for him right now. He was out to prove something this year.

Andre Freeman was somewhere in between, and Stevenson Sylvester was somewhere closer to a loser than winner. Sean Spence had a pretty good game as well, showed some good instincts early on.

pete74
08-10-2012, 04:28 AM
Mike Adams looked bad to me. i tried to pay attention to him the most and it appears he isnt close to being ready to start. DeCastro got beat a few good times but he appears to be playing as well as Kemo did right now and will only get better in 4 weeks. i was more worried about DeCastro then Adams but after this game i flipped that. im betting DeCastro opens the season as a starter and if Starks is healthy he will be our LT. i think Adams will be great but he still needs work

BIGNASTY91
08-10-2012, 07:45 AM
I really liked seeing sanders making plays. "IF" he can stay healthy this year i think he should have a pretty good year!!

steelfury02
08-10-2012, 08:01 AM
don't underestimate the other team playing a little inspired on defense. I thought overall, this year's 1st preseasons were more aggressive than in recent years' - across each game

MeanGee2047
08-10-2012, 10:43 AM
The biggest loser is Myron Rolle....out of position a lot...too many missed tackles...if he doesn't figure it out quick the road scholar will find himself one of the first cuts...

Fire Arians
08-10-2012, 11:35 AM
anyone think adams doing poorly had anything to do with colon not in the lineup? I'm sure decastro had some help in pass pro from pouncey, which helps a lot

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-10-2012, 12:12 PM
i think kelvin beachum was put in a bad position as well. when was the last time anyone has seen a 300 lb LT? 1985?

al woods looks like he has a future in this league.

-Beachum is listed at 303 lbs.
-Jordan Gross is 305 lbs
- Sam Baker 312lbs
-Joe Staley 315 lbs

Beachum is shorter than all of them, but just needs to add 10 lbs of muscle and he is fine.

Al Woods I hope makes it as the last DE on the 53 and has always had skill, but seemed to battle injuries.

I have only seen some hilights, so cant comment on the entire game, but the 1st sack on Adams was not his fault. He didnt look too bad for first NFL action.

Bayz101
08-10-2012, 12:14 PM
anyone think adams doing poorly had anything to do with colon not in the lineup? I'm sure decastro had some help in pass pro from pouncey, which helps a lot

Probably, but Pouncey only played like three snaps.

Curtain_of_Steel
08-10-2012, 12:37 PM
You need to add Jerrod Johnson to the list, he should be cut any minute. He looked bad on tv, he looked twice as bad in personwhen you can see the miss pass atempts he failed to deliver. There were people open and he could not read the defense at all. The last play, we had a reciever standing there about 30 yard down the field, no one within 20 yards, he had a porn mag in his hand and vaseline thats how much time the wr had around him, and Johnson decided to tuck and run and get sacked.

Adams will get better. Decastro played well. These guys just didnt stay out long. 1 series and gone.

Based on the plays we ran, we have no deep threat at all. The one play we went deep the defender still had a step on our guy.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-10-2012, 12:37 PM
anyone think adams doing poorly had anything to do with colon not in the lineup? I'm sure decastro had some help in pass pro from pouncey, which helps a lot

I havent seen the entire game yet. Just saw some Around Preseason Live on NFL Network and what I saw of Adams didnt look as bad as many are writing.

The first sack, he had his guy contained with outside leverage, but somebody else rushed and forced Ben to step up in the pocket and gift a sack to the guy over Adams. I think it was Foster that lost his guy on the rush.

I also saw another sack that Gilbert tried to cut block his rusher and missed, so the DE basically got a free run at Ben. No need for a 330lb OT to leave his feet vs a rusher in that manner.

When I break down the game on the DVR, I will be able to see how Adams and DeCastro looked, but at this point I think the media is overhyping his performance.

Curtain_of_Steel
08-10-2012, 01:02 PM
El, he did some things well for the limit plays. 1 sack was just plain old run over imo. The second I think I was distracted by some idiot eagle fan yelling that its only preseason and we dont care if we lose, lol..
I'm not selling him out at all, he will be fine as preseason goes along. Others plays he protected well, Ben had some time ina couple plays, than he ducked and ran out of the pocket. But when we gauge our OLINE by how many times our QB gets laid out, 2 for 11 not to good to start off the day with.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-10-2012, 01:25 PM
El, he did some things well for the limit plays. 1 sack was just plain old run over imo. The second I think I was distracted by some idiot eagle fan yelling that its only preseason and we dont care if we lose, lol..
I'm not selling him out at all, he will be fine as preseason goes along. Others plays he protected well, Ben had some time ina couple plays, than he ducked and ran out of the pocket. But when we gauge our OLINE by how many times our QB gets laid out, 2 for 11 not to good to start off the day with.

I saw one sack that probably got credited to Adams, but he had the guy shielded well to the outside, but then Ben had to step up in the pocket and Adams was still blocking like Ben should be 7-10 yards deep...and got sacked.

I agree, the amount of sacks isnt what you want to see. To fix it you have to work with where the rusher is coming from and in that case, it wasnt Adams......I think it came thru the A gap between Foster and Pouncey.

I am saying that the media wants to put blame on somebody, but its not the veterans. I saw no mention by the press that Gilbert dove at his rushers knees and missed, which caused a sack. Only comments on the rookies........which I think is due to lack of knowledge by the scribes.

Curtain_of_Steel
08-10-2012, 01:40 PM
Media are a a bunch of idiots, they believe romney hasnt paid taxes for years too. lol

I agree 100% with you though on Adams.

Steelersfan87
08-10-2012, 02:52 PM
I saw one sack that probably got credited to Adams, but he had the guy shielded well to the outside, but then Ben had to step up in the pocket and Adams was still blocking like Ben should be 7-10 yards deep...and got sacked.

I agree, the amount of sacks isnt what you want to see. To fix it you have to work with where the rusher is coming from and in that case, it wasnt Adams......I think it came thru the A gap between Foster and Pouncey.

I am saying that the media wants to put blame on somebody, but its not the veterans. I saw no mention by the press that Gilbert dove at his rushers knees and missed, which caused a sack. Only comments on the rookies........which I think is due to lack of knowledge by the scribes.

I agree, the first sack was caused by two rushers on the left edge of the offense. Foster and Adams ended up trading men, and then, it looks like to me, Foster got in the way of Adams a little bit, forcing him to lose a step and let his man go free. The second sack, a defender got between Foster and Adams I believe because Foster was slow out of his stance. The third sack, as you said, Adams led his man well outside and Leftwich didn't show awareness of the pressure. Foster and Gilbert both had pretty mediocre to poor games in pass protection. DeCastro and Pouncey were definitely better than the rest. As far as Adams in the running game, I was less aware of him there, but he had a nice seal block on the edge on the 4th and 1 play on the first drive that allowed Redman to cut back into open territory when there was nothing open in the middle.

Also Curtain_of_Steel, I believe DeCastro played the entire first half. Adams left early in the second I believe after he was injured on the second fumble recovery from the Leftwich sack.

Curtain_of_Steel
08-10-2012, 04:26 PM
Thanks Gray, I was having trouble seeing at the Linc, the idiot Eagles fans kept wanting to stand out in front of me. Of course I got stuck on the Eagles team sideline. I dont think I will go to an away game again unless its the playoffs, lol.
There are better places to surround myself with fools at, lol

TheVet
08-10-2012, 05:12 PM
Big Winners: McClendon, DeCastro, Rainey. DD is obviously our starting RG, because he's way ahead of Foster today.

Winners: quite a few, but Spence (quick!), Dwyer, Maze, and pretty much the entire LB corps caught my eye. Why does our O-line always seem to open up a big hole for Dwyer?

Interesting: Adams - a good game, except for handling the angles on the edge rushing; but he looked considerably better than Gilbert! I agree with Doddens/Gonzo, Foster caused that one sack.

Interesting: Batch - some good stuff, unfortunately some bad blocking, but also a few failures on his part to read the blocking and hit the holes that were there. Yards were certainly left on the table, maddening! A very mixed performance.

Losers: Gilbert, Foster - Gilbert was a bit of a surprise to me; Foster, not so much, although I keep expecting to see some improvement from him.

Big losers: Curtis Brown, Trai Essex, Myron Rolles, Kevin Beachum

teegre
08-10-2012, 06:58 PM
WINNERS:  

Big Ben.  Scramble on 3rd... find open man... repeat.  I am STILL amazed at how good he is.  

Sanders.  Looks good.  Found openings in defense.  Sure hands.  

Rainey.  Wow!!!  And, I'm not even talking about his long run.  He has "splash play" written ALL over him.  

Dwyer.  Looked good.  Found holes.  Ran north-south.  

DD.  I saw nothing spectacular, but he never stood out (like Gilbert, Adams, & Foster did).  He blocked him man... period (which is good enough for now).  

LOSERS  

I saw potential, even in those who had horrible games (I'm looking in your general direction, Curtis Brown).  

BowCatShot
08-10-2012, 07:34 PM
I thought Dwyer had a great game.

I thought the entire special teams looked like the Keystone Cops.

Riddle_Of_Steel
08-10-2012, 07:48 PM
WINNERS

Steve Mclendon - Welcome to a starting position, young man. He was easily the most dominant player I saw, out of all the guys on both sides of the ball. Warms my heart to see these undrafted guys make some noise.

Besides the play where Vick hurt his thumb on the back of his center's helmet (and note, Steve had both the C and G bulldozed 3 yds into the backfield on that one), he looked like a load to block-- the Iggles' center and guards weren't handling him at all.

Jonathan Dwyer - He is not ready to abdicate the starting RB position to Redman yet. He actually looked to be a more balanced back than Redman did last night.

Chris Rainey - I will be honest; he looks an awful lot like Willie Parker to me. He looks to be a "homerun or loss of one" type of RB. But in open space, he is a completely different creature. Gotta give him credit on that 57 yarder, he can duck and dodge really well and will create some interesting matchup problems for teh Ravens when we plpay them.

Chris Carter - Did not notch any sacks, but maintained constant pressure on Vick and the Eagles backfield. he looks to be a better backup than Worilds (whom I have not been sold on at all yet).

The Defense - Allowed the Superbowl-bound "dream team" to do nothing at all, except to come away with an injured QB and near to 0 yards of offense in the first half. They kept constant pressure on Vick, and stuffed the ground game completely. What more could we ask for on that side of the ball?

Todd Haley - His offense still needs some work, especially in pass protection. But it did exactly what we have been saying our offense will do this season-- pound the rock, maintain an efficient high-completion passing game, and use up the clock. Not many standouts on offense as far as stats, but they kept the drives going and gave the defense time to rest. His playcalling was aggressive, even for just a preseason game. Love it...

LOSERS

Ramon Foster - Much of the heat Adams took for his sack(s) last night, were Foster's fault if you rewatch the game. At least one of those sacks came from right between Foster and Pouncey. On another play, he was too slow out of his stance and got in Adam's way. I am sure Adams will look much better with Colon next to him and some more playing time.

Special Teams - Specifically, the kick return coverage, needs some serious work. Really annoying way to lose games.

SO-SO's

DeCastro & Adams - Can't take much away from that game. Both of them look like they are still thinking too much about their assignments. Playing time and practice will fix that. But from a pure physicality standpoint, DeCastro put his guy on his bottom a couple times and seemed to do better in straight ahead running plays (every O lineman's favorite plays). Adams and Foster were not on the same page at all, but Adams did have a nice 4th down block. Not judging too much on that game-- keep in mind, the Eagles defense is no slouch either. Was a good first test for the young guys to get their feet wet.

bblocker14
08-10-2012, 11:34 PM
I agree with the majority already posted.

I just had to add that I thought Brandon Johnson played like a beast!! His pressure on Kafka forced him to throw the ball way early, which resulted in Woods' huge int and return. He was hustling and definitely made an impact. He put pressure on the QB and was around the ball the whole time he was out there. He looked better at OLB than at ILB, when he and Stevenson Sylvester switched.

SS 55 is catching all kinds of Hell today. He better step it up or he may be out of chances to contribute to the team, especially with Spence and Johnson out there. Maybe Sylvester will have a breakthough at OLB, but I think he's a little undersized for the position. He's listed ant 230, but looks smaller on the field with the other OLB's.

Steelersfan87
08-11-2012, 01:33 AM
Brandon Johnson may very well force the Steelers to carry 9 LBs...which is possible if they carry 5 CBs, which appears likely.

tanda10506
08-11-2012, 02:02 AM
I agree, B. Johnson played great. Big hit/good tackle on a RB catching a dump off pass. It was a Steeler tackle! And as mentioned, he got pressure. I forgot to mention in my earlier post too that the ST was terrible. I also didn't mention how impressive that Al Woods INT was. It wasn't "right place right time", he knew where it was going and beat his man to be there. Between that and all the great talk about him at camp, he might show up big this year in some rotational plays.

Rick5895
08-11-2012, 03:55 AM
You need to add Jerrod Johnson to the list, he should be cut any minute. He looked bad on tv, he looked twice as bad in personwhen you can see the miss pass atempts he failed to deliver. There were people open and he could not read the defense at all. The last play, we had a reciever standing there about 30 yard down the field, no one within 20 yards, he had a porn mag in his hand and vaseline thats how much time the wr had around him, and Johnson decided to tuck and run and get sacked.

Adams will get better. Decastro played well. These guys just didnt stay out long. 1 series and gone.

Based on the plays we ran, we have no deep threat at all. The one play we went deep the defender still had a step on our guy.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the plays, I'm sure they went into the game with the idea of working almost exclusively on the run and short passing game, which they did. The deep game will be there when the time comes. Wouldn't be surprised to see them pen it up a bit against the Colts.

ricardisimo
08-11-2012, 04:18 AM
For people being hard on Curtis Brown, please bear in mind that Nnamdi Asomougha also had a rough night. Neither one of these guys is going to get cut from their respective teams, and for good reason. Brown will be fine.

pete74
08-11-2012, 04:41 AM
The Good:

First team – The first team offense drove the ball for almost ten minutes. They had to settle for a field goal, but they showed some good things. Ben Roethlisberger was sharp and the run game looked better than at most points during the 2011 season.

Jonathan Dwyer – Dwyer played well as the primary back-up to Issac Redman. However, he suffered a shoulder sprain and was taken out of the game. Lucky for the Steelers the injury is not deemed to be serious and Dwyer should be back soon.

Chris Rainey – The Steelers may have the steal of the draft in running-back Chris Rainey. Rainey didn’t disappoint in his NFL debut and score on a long touchdown catch and run. Rainey was a standout at Florida and looked like a a guy that could definitely contribute during the 2012 season.

Myron Rolle – Rolle has a great career at Florida State, but missed an entire year as he was a Rhodes Scholar. Following his year off he entered the NFL Draft and was selected by the Titans. After failing to stay in Tennessee he was signed to a futures contract by the Steelers. Rolle is attempting to make the team as a back-up safety and special teams player. In his first game he played well; he still needs to get better to make this team, however.

Brandon Johnson – Johnson was a free agent pick-up from Cincinnati and played really well at outside linebacker for the Steelers second team. He is trying to make this team as a back-up to Lamarr Woodley. He provided good pressure and showed good coverage skills.

Byron Leftwich – Leftwich took a violent hit from Dominic Rodgers-Cromartie, but played very well and looked sharp. He will be Roethlisberger’s primary back-up in 2012.

Antonio Brown – Brown looked good in his first game as the Steelers #1 option with Mike Wallace still absent. He played a big role in the Steelers first two drives that culminated in a field goal and touchdown.

Steve McClendon – Some fan’s may have though Casey Hampton was out there, but the big body in the middle of the defense was the “Work in Progress” Steve McLendon. McLendon played well and even recorded a sack on Michael Vick early in the game.

Al Woods – Woods is going to be one of the Steelers back-up defensive lineman and he played very well. He made the highlight reel with an interception that he returned inside the five yard line setting up a field goal for the Steelers.

Drew Butler – Butler was the only punter in uniform for the Steelers as Jeremy Kapinos is out with a back injury. He punted pretty well for his first NFL game. He has a strong leg and a good chance at unseating Kapinos in 2012.

Cortez Allen – Allen is in a big time battle with Keenan Lewis for the starting corner job alongside Ike Taylor. He got a lot of looks last night and played very well. He definitely is the only guy left in competition to start with Lewis as Curtis Brown struggled.

Emmanuel Sanders – Sanders looked healthy which is about all we wanted to see from him. He also played very well and scored on a nice slant route from Leftwich.

Alameda Ta’amu – Ta’amu played well and had some good pressure from the middle of the Steelers defense when he was in there. Ta’amu is fighting to be the primary back-up to McLendon, but will drop on the depth chart once Casey Hampton returns.

David DeCastro – DeCastro was being questioned heading into the game. Fans were wondering why Mike Adams was playing better than him, but they both showed very different things. As you can see DeCastro is in the “good” section. He displayed why he was considered a great run guard and pull guard coming into the draft last night.

Chris Carter – Carter filled in for Harrison and didn’t disappoint. He set the edge well and is in line to take over as the back-up outside linebacker pushing Jason Worilds down the depth chart.

Sean Spence – Spence looked good in his first NFL game. He was able to pressure the quarterback, cover, and looked good moving sideline to sideline making plays.

Rob Golden – Who? Exactly, Golden is a undrafted rookie free agent safety out of Arizona, but he made some nice plays last night. He looked good in coverage and on special teams and coaches notice the players that stand out. He may get some more looks if the team thinks he can be good.

Adrian Robinson – abused the left side of the Eagles line late in the game and just may make this roster as an undrafted free agent outside linebacker. With Carter and Johnson potentially stepping up as back-ups the Steelers may keep a project and potential star in Robinson over the oft-injured Worilds.

The Bad:

Entire 2nd team O-line - In particular Kelvin Beachum, Mike Adams, and Trai Essex . However, all of the second team guys, Adams included, looked very bad in pass coverage. The Steelers gave up a discouraging seven sacks last night. Adams gave up two and a half sacks in a nine play stretch.

Curtis Brown – Brown was also in competition with Allen and Lewis to be a starter at corner, but his play last night showed he isn’t quite ready to start in the NFL. Brown got beat multiple times last night. He will still contribute in 2012, but likely not as a starter.

Special teams coverage – The special teams overall were bad too many penalties and big returns given up. The will need to work on their special teams coverage because 40+ yard returns are not ok in this league.

Andre Freeman – Freeman, a rookie free agent, struggled in pass coverage and a missed tackle allowed a touchdown late in the game.

Jamie McCoy – He is making this list for two blocks in the back that negated good returns on special teams. Not a good start for a guy who is a long-shot to make the roster.

John Clay – Clay is probably the guy on the outside looking in at running-back and he only really stood out for a missed assignment on a third down.

The Ugly:

David Johnson who was expected to be a back-up tight end and the primary fullback on the Steelers offense was injured early in the game and carted off the field. Later reports have indicated that Johnson tore his ACL and will miss the entire 2012 season.

This is a huge blow for a guy who was standing out early in the preseason. Will Johnson, the Steelers only other fullback, seems a lock to make the roster, unless they sign another fullback that performs better. This injury could also cause Haley to use a fullback less than he had expected in 2012


http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/steelers_display_good_and_bad_in_first_preseason_g ame/11426239

tanda10506
08-11-2012, 12:44 PM
For people being hard on Curtis Brown, please bear in mind that Nnamdi Asomougha also had a rough night. Neither one of these guys is going to get cut from their respective teams, and for good reason. Brown will be fine.

Nnamdi had a few bad plays during the short time that he was in, but the one that stands out is when Brown schooled him with a quick move and then a cut to the middle. Made a top 10 CB look like a goof.

tanda10506
08-11-2012, 12:49 PM
Maybe the most dissapointing thing about this game is that the rookie wasn't kicking at all, which likely means we are burdened with another year of Suisham. I knew that was the likely case but I was hoping to at least see the rookie and have him get a chance.

fer522
08-11-2012, 02:52 PM
Media are a a bunch of idiots, they believe romney hasnt paid taxes for years too. lol

I agree 100% with you though on Adams.

Huh????:doh:

Steelersfan87
08-11-2012, 05:23 PM
Maybe the most dissapointing thing about this game is that the rookie wasn't kicking at all, which likely means we are burdened with another year of Suisham. I knew that was the likely case but I was hoping to at least see the rookie and have him get a chance.

Hrapmann kicked the third field goal and was doing the kickoffs at least late in the game. I wasn't aware of it, but it's possible he did all of the kickoffs in the second half.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-12-2012, 01:37 PM
El, he did some things well for the limit plays. 1 sack was just plain old run over imo. The second I think I was distracted by some idiot eagle fan yelling that its only preseason and we dont care if we lose, lol..
I'm not selling him out at all, he will be fine as preseason goes along. Others plays he protected well, Ben had some time ina couple plays, than he ducked and ran out of the pocket. But when we gauge our OLINE by how many times our QB gets laid out, 2 for 11 not to good to start off the day with.

I finally watched the game over last night with a bit more detail and yeah, Adams had some lapses in his technique in pass protection that will need more work. Its not surprising to me as he was somewhat inconsistent at OSU, but the scouts salivated about him in postseason evaluation.

One play that he let the rusher get the edge, he just didnt have a good kick slide(more of a lateral shuffle) to get depth and he didnt deliver a punch to the rusher. Another, he sat up too high and let the DE get under him and bull rush him back into Ben.

Foster too was a bit shaky in pass protection, but maybe its working next to the rookie??

Sylvester looked to be playing out of control at ILB. One play he got put on his back by the OG. Another he ran way left and took himself out of the play that went right. A couple others he looked to shoot gaps and get the wrong one. Makes me happy we signed Brandon Johnson.

Millers the sh!t
08-12-2012, 02:41 PM
Essex sucked, jolly sucked, 68 Meachem? Sucked, special teams sucked, Gilbert looked like crap a few times, Adams sucked a bit, the line couldn't give Ben any time at all on any play action passes, special teams sucked too

Didn't remember seeing colon.. did he play, is he injured or anything?

GoFor7
08-12-2012, 02:47 PM
Colon didn't play. He got his ankle rolled on in practice about a week before the game. The good news is he was back at practice yesterday with the first team o-line.

Millers the sh!t
08-12-2012, 03:19 PM
Colon didn't play. He got his ankle rolled on in practice about a week before the game. The good news is he was back at practice yesterday with the first team o-line.



Oh ok... Thanks for the heads up. Can't wait to see him out there though.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-12-2012, 04:36 PM
Essex sucked, jolly sucked, 68 Meachem? Sucked, special teams sucked, Gilbert looked like crap a few times, Adams sucked a bit, the line couldn't give Ben any time at all on any play action passes, special teams sucked too

Didn't remember seeing colon.. did he play, is he injured or anything?

Dont forget Sylvester sucked. Ta'amu sucked, Brown sucked, Foote sucked

Millers the sh!t
08-12-2012, 07:30 PM
Dont forget Sylvester sucked. Ta'amu sucked, Brown sucked, Foote sucked

Foote didn't suck.

GoFor7
08-12-2012, 07:42 PM
How can anyone say any of the starters on defense sucked? They were hardly out there thanks to the ineptitude of the "dream team." The only starter on defense that stood out was McLendon - and that was in a good way.

Hawaii 5-0
08-12-2012, 09:18 PM
Colon didn't play. He got his ankle rolled on in practice about a week before the game. The good news is he was back at practice yesterday with the first team o-line.

the bad news is Ramon Foster is now the RT with the first team 0-line until Adams or Starks are healthy enough to play again and allow Gilbert to return to RT...

pete74
08-13-2012, 06:53 PM
1. Mike Adams is not ready for primetime. Adams got the start at LT with Max Starks still on the PUP list while recovering from a torn ACL he suffered in the playoff loss to Denver. To say things didn’t go well for Adams would be very, very generous. In 9 passing plays with Adams in the game, he allowed 2.5 sacks, then left with a minor knee injury. Adams only expected to miss a week or two, but he can’t afford to miss the reps at this stage if he hopes to get meaningful playing time in 2012. Trai Essex didn’t fare much better, although that’s far from unexpected, and Marcus Gilbert also struggled on the other side. The Steelers figure to have a very good interior offensive line in 2012, but the tackle position remains far from solid, something that will be closely watched the remaining 3 preseason games.

2. No bubble screens! While the offense was obviously vanilla, it had a very different look under Todd Haley than it had under Bruce Arians. The Steelers threw no WR screens, had few (if any) empty sets, and most passing plays were of the short and intermediate variety. The Steelers opened the game with a 9:00 minute drive, looking comfortable and in command of the “new” offense. The Steelers’ offense under Arians frequently appeared disjointed and messy, with little rhythm and consistency, but under Haley it appeared fluid and purposeful. It’s difficult to read much into one preseason game, but the Haley offense can be described as “so far, so good.

3. Chris Rainey is going to be an impact player. Rainey, the Steelers 5th round pick out of the Florida, was on the field early and often, and his 53-yard TD run was the highlight of the game. Rainey is something that the other Steelers RB’s are not, namely elusive, fast, and dynamic in the open field, and with Rashard Mendenhall certain to miss at least the first 6 games while recovering from his torn ACL, Rainey should get a lot of time spelling Isaac Redman and being used in the passing game. Jonathan Dwyer was also impressive in his limited action, appearing slimmer and faster than he had in his first two seasons with the Steelers.

4. Curtis Brown did himself no favors. With the departure of Willie Gay to Pittsburgh West Arizona, the Steelers have an opening at corner opposite Ike Taylor. Keenan Lewis and Cortez Allen are the favorites for the position, but last year’s 3rd round pick out of Texas also figured to be in the mix. If he was, he probably isn’t anymore. Brown was burned for two long TD’s in the second half and was decisively outplayed by both Allen and Lewis. The Steelers will need Brown in 2012, but he’s quickly playing himself into being the 4th CB.

5. Steve McLendon is ready to be a starter. With Casey Hampton also out for at least the first six weeks while recovering from a torn ACL, Steve McLendon got the start at NT. McLendon was disruptive and effective, getting a sack and making 2 or 3 other tackles. Perhaps even more importantly, McLendon was effective at the point of attack, holding up well against double teams and engaging blockers to free up the Steelers LB’s to make plays. I was somewhat surprised when the Steelers held onto Hampton this offseason, and if McLendon and rookie Alameda Ta’amu continue to impress, 2012 will be Big Snack’s last season in Pittsburgh

6. Brandon Johnson and Chris Carter impressed at OLB. The Steelers have been grooming Jason Worilds to be the eventual replacement for James Harrison at ROLB, but his play on the field has never lived up to his 2nd round draft choice status. With Worilds sidelined on Thursday with an injury, Chris Carter looked dynamic rushing the passer off of the edge, getting into the backfield regularly. Offseason free agent signing Brandon Johnson was also effective, with a pressure that forced an interception and effective pass coverage. With Worilds entering his 3rd season, it’s beyond time for him to live up to his potential. If he doesn’t, however, the Steelers still have good depth at the position with Johnson and Carter.

7. Can Will Johnson be the FB? The Steelers had shifted David Johnson from TE to FB in camp, as Haley actually uses a FB at times in his offense unlike Bruce Arians. David, however, had his season come to an end in the first quarter with a torn ACL and MCL when Marcus Gilbert fell into him at the end of a play. Enter Will Johnson, who was out of football in 2011 after graduating from WVU that spring. Johnson is the only FB on the roster and looked solid in his play on Thursday. The FB job is his to lose at this point, and his performance will dictate whether the organization looks to bring in another body to play the position.

LVSteelersfan
08-13-2012, 07:00 PM
Foote didn't suck.

How did this conversation get to be about Rex Ryan. Oops, sorry that would be sucking foot. Never mind. :rofl:

TheVet
08-13-2012, 09:03 PM
1. Mike Adams is not ready for primetime. Adams got the start at LT with Max Starks still on the PUP list while recovering from a torn ACL he suffered in the playoff loss to Denver. To say things didn’t go well for Adams would be very, very generous. In 9 passing plays with Adams in the game, he allowed 2.5 sacks, then left with a minor knee injury. Adams only expected to miss a week or two, but he can’t afford to miss the reps at this stage if he hopes to get meaningful playing time in 2012. Trai Essex didn’t fare much better, although that’s far from unexpected, and Marcus Gilbert also struggled on the other side. The Steelers figure to have a very good interior offensive line in 2012, but the tackle position remains far from solid, something that will be closely watched the remaining 3 preseason games.

I watched all the offensive plays in slow-motion, repeatedly, so as to know what every lineman did on each play. It was eye-opening. I came away with a somewhat different take, so I'm still very optimistic about Adams.

It appeared to me that Gilbert was beaten just as badly as Adams, and just as often. Those beats caused great disruption (and the Johnson injury), but they didn't turn out to be sacks because Ben had visibility and escape possibilities. I noted that Gilbert tended to give up early after being beaten, but Adams kept working. Adams showed superior athleticism. I've got to believe that Gilbert was just taking it easy, for whatever reason. Also, Gilbert had the advantage of being next to DeCastro, who greatly outperformed Foster. One of the sacks attributed to Adams was clearly Foster's error.

Essex was at the very bottom; he was beaten on almost every play. Although I've never been happy with Essex, I had no idea that he could be this bad. I was astonished by what I saw after watching his entire body of work in slow-mo.

I ranked the starting five this way: Pouncey, DeCastro, Adams, Foster, Gilbert. DeCastro played a very solid game; he's already way above Foster's level. I ranked Adams above Foster because Adams made a few mistakes on the edge rush, but Foster simply appeared to be outclassed. Having Gilbert at the bottom was a surprise, based on his steady improvement from last year. So I attribute that to a lack of serious effort vs. a lack of talent, although that's not comforting.

Steelersfan87
08-13-2012, 10:12 PM
I also just rewatched the entire game, rewinding to watch just about every man on just about every play, and it turned up some interesting observations.

1. First of all, it's pretty clear that this game was not played at regular season speed. The game would have been pretty different if everybody was giving full effort.

2. A lot of the plays that didn't work offensively were definitely physical errors, and not scheme issues. I am thinking in particular about the two redzone possessions. I originally assumed that DeCastro contributed to the lack of push, but he actually did well here. The weaknesses were mostly failures to catch up to one's own assignments.On the first play of the second possession, for example, Saunders and Essex, on opposite sides, both fail to lock up their men and they converge on the tackle. On the second play, Foster pulls, but fails to engage his assignment, and he makes the tackle. On the first play (the one to Rainey), Legursky allows the lineman to shoot the gap, although Foster could have offered more help as the line ran left. Cotchery also missed a block that, if the other block was made, could have prevented what would otherwise have been a touchdown.

3. Will Johnson really did have a good game. I honestly didn't see him make a mistake. On one play, John Clay did not follow Johnson's block and instead ended up with 1 yard or something, but the right side was open. He never even looked right, so I'm not sure if that was his assignment or he simply lacked vision on that play.

4. On the other hand, Clay impressed in pass protection and on a block downfield.

Leonard Pope was very solid in his blocking assignments. I'd expected much worse based on what Dave Bryan had written about his blocking credentials being overblown, but I came away from this viewing confident in his abilities.

5. In addition, and this was one of the two biggest surprises for me, David Paulson was also very solid in his blocking assignments. He was rarely asked to do anything overly demanding, but I didn't see him make any errors. On only one play did his man escape after a second, but he had no chance to make the play anyway. Granted, he was blocking against inferior competition, but this was a strong first showing for him, for which I'm slightly relieved.

6. The other major surprise was that Chris Scott, outside of one sack that he allowed on which he should have gotten help from Kyle Jolly, had a pretty damn good game. He was probably their best lineman of the second half. They even had him pull left multiple times when he played right guard and he was hitting his man. Again, a strong first showing for him. Perhaps if Trai Essex continues to struggle, he could sneak on to the 53 man roster. He will need to face stiffer competition and continue to do well for that to be up for debate though. But for what he was asked to do on Thursday, he met just about every challenge.

7. This is more kind of funny than anything, but on the play that Trai Essex allowed a sack of Byron Leftwich, David DeCastro tried to help out, but he actually made it worse and possibly was responsible for the sack. Essex had interior leverage while Brandon Graham was attempting to work on the outside, and when DeCastro came over to help, he just helped push Graham out to the edge, allowing him to get the leverage to separate and get to the quarterback. This is probably the worst thing that DeCastro did all night though. I came away just more impressed with him.

8. Maurkice Pouncey is just about ready for the regular season already.

9. Marcus Gilbert attempted an exorbitant number of cut blocks. I don't know if they were asking him to do this or if he was using it as an out when he thought he was already beat, but it's not working.

10. This is not the Ramon Foster from the regular season. As I previously mentioned, Foster really struggled in the preseason last year too, but played much better in the games that mattered, and even gradually became more skilled when asked to pull. He failed to pull successfully even once in this game, however, despite getting multiple shots at it.

11. Stevenson Sylvester had a mixed bag of a game. After rewatching every one of his snaps, I have no problem with anything that he did from an assignment perspective, and was always on his man when asked to cover. He just made some physical errors, however, missing a couple of tackles and, worst of all, leaving his feet on the breakout 70+ yard touchdown. That was the difference between a throw away and a deep pass downfield.

12. Speaking of that long touchdown pass, after rewatching the replay several times, I'm a little more forgiving of Brown.The receiver attempted actually a triple move, where he cut inside, then outside, then back inside, and on the third cut, he actually caught Brown's foot, and that's why Brown fell. If you get your feet tangled up in the receiver, there's really not much you can do.

13. Brandon Johnson is really making a strong case for his inclusion on the roster. He played well inside in the 3rd quarter, but not many plays went his way. The main thing that I took away from his play inside was that he was very conscious of his responsibilities within the scheme, despite not being the one to make the play. Outside, however, he obviously did very well, especially in pass defense.

14. Chris Carter is showing a willingness to fully acclimate to his responsibilities at an outside linebacker, including setting the edge in the running game and covering receivers. He was held multiple times as well due to his pass rush, although only one was called.

15. Cortez Allen did not actually have a perfect game. There was one play on a deep reception in which he covered the wrong man in zone. He seemed to know it after the play as well. He also blitzed a couple of times as well to no avail.

16. I like Sean Spence's performance in this game even more after watching it again. He looks like he's not thinking as much as you'd expect a rookie to. He had a real nice smack in the run game in the third quarter I believe as well.

17. Alameda Ta'amu did not receive a lot of double teams, especially on his early snaps, and his effort was not always 100%, but I thought that he got some good pressure often even though he didn't make any plays. Several time he drove his man 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage. He even shot a gap once, which I found interesting.

18. Although he allowed the last 4th down conversion at the end of the game, and did miss one open field tackle (that didn't really hurt anything), I thought Terrence Frederick had a pretty good game. He's got some good coverage skills.

19. Myron Rolle is pretty mediocre in terms of getting in position to make a play. I believe he may also have been responsible for assisting Curtis Brown on the second touchdown that he allowed, but it's impossible to know without knowing the scheme. He started a linebacker depth and then dropped, and then just didn't seem to know where he should be.

20. Adrian Robinson did get some good pressure. That's really just about all you can say about his performance though. He didn't play as much as I thought he did. Brandon Hicks also had an okay game.

21. Al Woods was the best defensive end for the Steelers on the night, even taking into consideration the level of competition, He didn't get a lot of pressure, but he was always in his gap.

22. On the one notable big run for the Eagles in the second half, Corbin Bryant and Mortty Ivy attempted to run a cross, but ended up taking each other out of the play. However, Damon Cromartie-Smith missed a tackle that would have kept it to a short gain, and then Rolle missed another tackle further downfield. Curtis Brown was also getting mugged by Marvin McNutt down the left sideline; a penalty could have easily been called.

23. Although Kelvin Beachum got off to a terrible start, he settled down at the end and had a pretty good 4th quarter as the left guard. John Malecki had some good plays and some bad plays.

24. Marshall McFadden and Robert Golden both had good days.

25. Being a long snapper is terrifying.

BGSU A Dub
08-13-2012, 10:40 PM
Winners: everyone that stayed healthy.

Losers: everyone that got hurt.

pete74
08-14-2012, 03:38 AM
I also just rewatched the entire game, rewinding to watch just about every man on just about every play, and it turned up some interesting observations.

1. First of all, it's pretty clear that this game was not played at regular season speed. The game would have been pretty different if everybody was giving full effort.

2. A lot of the plays that didn't work offensively were definitely physical errors, and not scheme issues. I am thinking in particular about the two redzone possessions. I originally assumed that DeCastro contributed to the lack of push, but he actually did well here. The weaknesses were mostly failures to catch up to one's own assignments.On the first play of the second possession, for example, Saunders and Essex, on opposite sides, both fail to lock up their men and they converge on the tackle. On the second play, Foster pulls, but fails to engage his assignment, and he makes the tackle. On the first play (the one to Rainey), Legursky allows the lineman to shoot the gap, although Foster could have offered more help as the line ran left. Cotchery also missed a block that, if the other block was made, could have prevented what would otherwise have been a touchdown.

3. Will Johnson really did have a good game. I honestly didn't see him make a mistake. On one play, John Clay did not follow Johnson's block and instead ended up with 1 yard or something, but the right side was open. He never even looked right, so I'm not sure if that was his assignment or he simply lacked vision on that play.

4. On the other hand, Clay impressed in pass protection and on a block downfield.

Leonard Pope was very solid in his blocking assignments. I'd expected much worse based on what Dave Bryan had written about his blocking credentials being overblown, but I came away from this viewing confident in his abilities.

5. In addition, and this was one of the two biggest surprises for me, David Paulson was also very solid in his blocking assignments. He was rarely asked to do anything overly demanding, but I didn't see him make any errors. On only one play did his man escape after a second, but he had no chance to make the play anyway. Granted, he was blocking against inferior competition, but this was a strong first showing for him, for which I'm slightly relieved.

6. The other major surprise was that Chris Scott, outside of one sack that he allowed on which he should have gotten help from Kyle Jolly, had a pretty damn good game. He was probably their best lineman of the second half. They even had him pull left multiple times when he played right guard and he was hitting his man. Again, a strong first showing for him. Perhaps if Trai Essex continues to struggle, he could sneak on to the 53 man roster. He will need to face stiffer competition and continue to do well for that to be up for debate though. But for what he was asked to do on Thursday, he met just about every challenge.

7. This is more kind of funny than anything, but on the play that Trai Essex allowed a sack of Byron Leftwich, David DeCastro tried to help out, but he actually made it worse and possibly was responsible for the sack. Essex had interior leverage while Brandon Graham was attempting to work on the outside, and when DeCastro came over to help, he just helped push Graham out to the edge, allowing him to get the leverage to separate and get to the quarterback. This is probably the worst thing that DeCastro did all night though. I came away just more impressed with him.

8. Maurkice Pouncey is just about ready for the regular season already.

9. Marcus Gilbert attempted an exorbitant number of cut blocks. I don't know if they were asking him to do this or if he was using it as an out when he thought he was already beat, but it's not working.

10. This is not the Ramon Foster from the regular season. As I previously mentioned, Foster really struggled in the preseason last year too, but played much better in the games that mattered, and even gradually became more skilled when asked to pull. He failed to pull successfully even once in this game, however, despite getting multiple shots at it.

11. Stevenson Sylvester had a mixed bag of a game. After rewatching every one of his snaps, I have no problem with anything that he did from an assignment perspective, and was always on his man when asked to cover. He just made some physical errors, however, missing a couple of tackles and, worst of all, leaving his feet on the breakout 70+ yard touchdown. That was the difference between a throw away and a deep pass downfield.

12. Speaking of that long touchdown pass, after rewatching the replay several times, I'm a little more forgiving of Brown.The receiver attempted actually a triple move, where he cut inside, then outside, then back inside, and on the third cut, he actually caught Brown's foot, and that's why Brown fell. If you get your feet tangled up in the receiver, there's really not much you can do.

13. Brandon Johnson is really making a strong case for his inclusion on the roster. He played well inside in the 3rd quarter, but not many plays went his way. The main thing that I took away from his play inside was that he was very conscious of his responsibilities within the scheme, despite not being the one to make the play. Outside, however, he obviously did very well, especially in pass defense.

14. Chris Carter is showing a willingness to fully acclimate to his responsibilities at an outside linebacker, including setting the edge in the running game and covering receivers. He was held multiple times as well due to his pass rush, although only one was called.

15. Cortez Allen did not actually have a perfect game. There was one play on a deep reception in which he covered the wrong man in zone. He seemed to know it after the play as well. He also blitzed a couple of times as well to no avail.

16. I like Sean Spence's performance in this game even more after watching it again. He looks like he's not thinking as much as you'd expect a rookie to. He had a real nice smack in the run game in the third quarter I believe as well.

17. Alameda Ta'amu did not receive a lot of double teams, especially on his early snaps, and his effort was not always 100%, but I thought that he got some good pressure often even though he didn't make any plays. Several time he drove his man 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage. He even shot a gap once, which I found interesting.

18. Although he allowed the last 4th down conversion at the end of the game, and did miss one open field tackle (that didn't really hurt anything), I thought Terrence Frederick had a pretty good game. He's got some good coverage skills.

19. Myron Rolle is pretty mediocre in terms of getting in position to make a play. I believe he may also have been responsible for assisting Curtis Brown on the second touchdown that he allowed, but it's impossible to know without knowing the scheme. He started a linebacker depth and then dropped, and then just didn't seem to know where he should be.

20. Adrian Robinson did get some good pressure. That's really just about all you can say about his performance though. He didn't play as much as I thought he did. Brandon Hicks also had an okay game.

21. Al Woods was the best defensive end for the Steelers on the night, even taking into consideration the level of competition, He didn't get a lot of pressure, but he was always in his gap.

22. On the one notable big run for the Eagles in the second half, Corbin Bryant and Mortty Ivy attempted to run a cross, but ended up taking each other out of the play. However, Damon Cromartie-Smith missed a tackle that would have kept it to a short gain, and then Rolle missed another tackle further downfield. Curtis Brown was also getting mugged by Marvin McNutt down the left sideline; a penalty could have easily been called.

23. Although Kelvin Beachum got off to a terrible start, he settled down at the end and had a pretty good 4th quarter as the left guard. John Malecki had some good plays and some bad plays.

24. Marshall McFadden and Robert Golden both had good days.

25. Being a long snapper is terrifying.

really good read. i like how you were honest about how each player played. alot of fans try to leave out the negatives about some players

FrancoLambert
08-14-2012, 07:11 AM
:applaudit:
A big shout out to all of you who recapped and analyzed the game in detail.
I didn't see or hear the game but due to all of your diligence and hard work I feel like I did and have a realistic vision of how everybody performed.
Thank You! :hatsoff:

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-14-2012, 12:08 PM
25. Being a long snapper is terrifying.

No way!! Its the slackest job in the NFL next to being the #3 QB. Greg Warren makes $825,000 to snap a football. I am jealous of him.

Steelersfan87
08-14-2012, 01:11 PM
Yeah, but you play bent over with your head down and bodies shuffling all around you, just hoping nobody kicks your leg in half. They showed a view of the first Suisham field goal that really illustrated this. In hindsight, I'm not surprised Warren's gotten injured a few times. Not saying his doesn't make a nice living for like 5 plays a game, but still.

Anyway, I should add that I meant Walter McFadden (CB, Bryant McFadden's brother), not Marshall McFadden (linebacker, unrelated).

Also, in hindsight, Ramon Foster and Marcus Gilbert didn't play all that terribly, especially on that first drive. And to be fair to Foster, I was wrong, he did pull successfully twice, although he's still not particularly...gallant.

I'd also like to reiterate again that Stevenson Sylvester, from an assignment standpoint, actually did have a great game, keeping in mind that everything in this game was vanilla. His problem was a couple of physical errors. He missed a handful of tackles, maybe three or four. However, he also made some good, solid plays too, including a tackle for a loss. What was particularly impressive was that he seemed to have a real nose for the gaps in getting through the line and into the backfield. He continues to play with his pad level too high, however, which I suspect is a factor in some of his missed opportunities.

teegre
08-14-2012, 02:14 PM
Yeah, but you play bent over with your head down and bodies shuffling all around you, just hoping nobody kicks your leg in half. They showed a view of the first Suisham field goal that really illustrated this. In hindsight, I'm not surprised Warren's gotten injured a few times. Not saying his doesn't make a nice living for like 5 plays a game, but still.

I understand your point...
...but, David Binn played five snaps per game, for sixteen years, earning nearly $16 million... and, he dated Pamela Anderson.  

I'd take that "risk" for those assets.  

pancake
08-14-2012, 05:57 PM
really good read. i like how you were honest about how each player played. alot of fans try to leave out the negatives about some players

I agree, I think DG did a great evaluation of the players.

Hope to see next weeks game broke down too... :applaudit:

sluggermatt15
08-14-2012, 07:30 PM
Yeah, but you play bent over with your head down and bodies shuffling all around you, just hoping nobody kicks your leg in half. They showed a view of the first Suisham field goal that really illustrated this. In hindsight, I'm not surprised Warren's gotten injured a few times. Not saying his doesn't make a nice living for like 5 plays a game, but still.

Anyway, I should add that I meant Walter McFadden (CB, Bryant McFadden's brother), not Marshall McFadden (linebacker, unrelated).

Also, in hindsight, Ramon Foster and Marcus Gilbert didn't play all that terribly, especially on that first drive. And to be fair to Foster, I was wrong, he did pull successfully twice, although he's still not particularly...gallant.

I'd also like to reiterate again that Stevenson Sylvester, from an assignment standpoint, actually did have a great game, keeping in mind that everything in this game was vanilla. His problem was a couple of physical errors. He missed a handful of tackles, maybe three or four. However, he also made some good, solid plays too, including a tackle for a loss. What was particularly impressive was that he seemed to have a real nose for the gaps in getting through the line and into the backfield. He continues to play with his pad level too high, however, which I suspect is a factor in some of his missed opportunities.

For $825k I would be willing to give up my body like that. What does he play, maybe 20 snaps per game?

Steelersfan87
08-14-2012, 09:21 PM
Not saying I wouldn't take the job for the money v. actual effort, but I'd sure as hell be terrified of blowing an ACL every snap! :help:

ricardisimo
08-14-2012, 11:04 PM
I remember the footage of the Steeler longsnapper from about five years ago who was being helped off the field - he didn't even have full weight on his knee - and it completely collapsed on him sideways. I nearly yacked. Anyone remember that guy's name? Anyhow, you are particularly vulnerable at the position, and I wouldn't take the money for any position on an NFL team... except maybe #3 QB.

Bayz101
08-14-2012, 11:15 PM
Greg Warren? I seem to remember a knee injury from Greg, and he's actually still our long-snapper.

ricardisimo
08-14-2012, 11:28 PM
Greg Warren? I seem to remember a knee injury from Greg, and he's actually still our long-snapper.
Hmmm... no, I don't think it was him. Need to look into it. It was grisly.

Edit: Yup, it was Warren. He turned up in a Google search. Can someone look at the videos and confirm that it was him?

Bayz101
08-14-2012, 11:34 PM
Hmmm... no, I don't think it was him. Need to look into it. It was grisly.

Edit: Yup, it was Warren. He turned up in a Google search. Can someone look at the videos and confirm that it was him?

Holy shit that's nasty...

Bayz101
08-14-2012, 11:35 PM
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8625/307b.jpg

Bayz101
08-14-2012, 11:39 PM
Dammit. I really wish I hadn't watched that.

Steelersfan87
08-14-2012, 11:42 PM
Happened to Warren twice in fact. Jared Retkofsky filled in after both injuries. Not sure if it's sad or awesome that I not only know who he is, but how to spell his name from memory.

The first time happened in the game against the Giants where Harrison was forced to long snap and he threw the ball through the back of the endzone. I believe the safety tied the game and set the Giants up for the game winning drive.

tony hipchest
08-14-2012, 11:49 PM
we win to the superbowl every year we have a new long snapper. (rookie warren replaced schneck 05 >>>> rookie retofsky replaced warren 08 - forget who ended the season in '10)

sorry, warren, i luv ya, but rootin for your replacement every year.

:tt02:

Bayz101
08-15-2012, 12:05 AM
Didn't legs long-snap in '10? In Warren's spot.

Steelersfan87
08-15-2012, 12:15 AM
Nope, it was actually in the '09 season. Back to back years. Not sure if it was the same knee though.

IowaSteeler927
08-15-2012, 03:28 AM
Reference Greg Warren and his knee buckling. Here's a link to the vid for those who haven't seen it. It is pretty nasty but I've seen worse. Didn't see a link to it so here it is.

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/10/steeler-lineman-buckles-his-knee-595071

ricardisimo
08-15-2012, 03:44 AM
Reference Greg Warren and his knee buckling. Here's a link to the vid for those who haven't seen it. It is pretty nasty but I've seen worse. Didn't see a link to it so here it is.

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/10/steeler-lineman-buckles-his-knee-595071
Well, yeah, I remember watching Joe Theismann's thigh snapping on live TV, and lots of bad memories of guys ****ed up and knocked unconscious before they even hit the ground, so there's worse. Just something about watching knees moving the wrong way that I can't take.

Bayz101
08-15-2012, 04:10 AM
Jesus Christ that video makes ME scream in agony.

FrancoLambert
08-15-2012, 06:31 AM
Jesus Christ that video makes ME scream in agony.

Seeing Mitch Berger drop back into punt formation again made me scream. :toofunny:

BowCatShot
08-15-2012, 07:31 AM
Jesus Christ that video makes ME scream in agony.

Budda damn, me too!

teegre
08-15-2012, 09:00 AM
The worst that I ever saw was Naploeon McCallum.  Raidahs at Niners.  MNF.  

His knee went SLOWLY** 90 degrees forward.  
**(pushed in a pile)

Steelersfan87
08-15-2012, 02:41 PM
Seeing Mitch Berger drop back into punt formation again made me scream. :toofunny:

He even had a gimpy hamstring at the time. Maybe Harrison was better off snapping the ball over his head.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-15-2012, 04:46 PM
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://i1.argylenews.com/images/press_release_distribution_0249923_47216.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sports.argylenews.com/press_release.aspx?Footballs-Hottest-Wives-Introducing-the-17-Hottest-Wives-of-NFL-Players-7518&h=487&w=397&sz=46&tbnid=EP9NLbIxOkzUrM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=73&zoom=1&usg=__Wj-ZNc26SF4UKcOZ8ONh25Bl8ww=&docid=Nxi6ufCh5zubOM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fRcsUOPUI4qIiALhuIGYAw&ved=0CGEQ9QEwBg&dur=49OK, I am no longer envious of the Steelers Long Snapper. Look at Eagles Long Snapper Jon Dorenbos' wife Julie. http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b0162fdc0d0ca970d-pi

Hawaii 5-0
08-15-2012, 06:10 PM
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://i1.argylenews.com/images/press_release_distribution_0249923_47216.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sports.argylenews.com/press_release.aspx?Footballs-Hottest-Wives-Introducing-the-17-Hottest-Wives-of-NFL-Players-7518&h=487&w=397&sz=46&tbnid=EP9NLbIxOkzUrM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=73&zoom=1&usg=__Wj-ZNc26SF4UKcOZ8ONh25Bl8ww=&docid=Nxi6ufCh5zubOM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fRcsUOPUI4qIiALhuIGYAw&ved=0CGEQ9QEwBg&dur=49OK, I am no longer envious of the Steelers Long Snapper. Look at Eagles Long Snapper Jon Dorenbos' wife Julie. http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b0162fdc0d0ca970d-pi

are those real?

yeah, they're REAL nice...:thumbsup:

teegre
08-15-2012, 07:30 PM
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://i1.argylenews.com/images/press_release_distribution_0249923_47216.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sports.argylenews.com/press_release.aspx?Footballs-Hottest-Wives-Introducing-the-17-Hottest-Wives-of-NFL-Players-7518&h=487&w=397&sz=46&tbnid=EP9NLbIxOkzUrM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=73&zoom=1&usg=__Wj-ZNc26SF4UKcOZ8ONh25Bl8ww=&docid=Nxi6ufCh5zubOM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fRcsUOPUI4qIiALhuIGYAw&ved=0CGEQ9QEwBg&dur=49OK, I am no longer envious of the Steelers Long Snapper. Look at Eagles Long Snapper Jon Dorenbos' wife Julie. http://mobilwi.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6dde087970b0162fdc0d0ca970d-pi

That's what I've been saying: 5 snaps per game; $1 million per year; a long career; and a wife/gf like that.  

The risk is worth those assets.  

pancake
08-15-2012, 09:13 PM
That's what I've been saying: 5 snaps per game; $1 million per year; a long career; and a wife/gf like that.  

The risk is worth those assets.  

Wish I had learned to snap the ball... lol

Hawaii 5-0
08-16-2012, 12:32 AM
Wish I had learned to snap the ball... lol


I'll bet he has good ball control...:wink02:

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-16-2012, 12:32 AM
Wish I had learned to snap the ball... lol

Its what frustrates me. I can snap the ball, I teach young kids how to snap the ball, but love my former sprinter wife and kids and its too late to try and relive history.

I hope I can teach my son to be a long snapper, put in 5-10 plays a game and pull talent like that. :thumbsup: Living the dream fellas:drink: