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Fire Arians
08-20-2012, 04:15 PM
As much as I shuddered at the thought, it looked like he played well. Hell, he played RT better than he played LG vs the eagles, which was surprising to me. Did he mess up on any plays? Cause I was paying more attention to the right side of the line and it seemed to have held up just fine.

Steelersfan87
08-20-2012, 04:26 PM
I haven't had an opportunity to review the game yet, but all reports seem to be positive. Dave Bryan from Steelers Depot brought up an interesting point today that the Steelers could consider carrying only 8 offensive linemen this year with Foster, Legursky, and Adams (or Starks) being the backups. I'm honestly not sure if they've ever dressed all 9 on gameday when at least one wasn't dealing with an injury that might force him to come out of the game, so I would have to say it's reasonable. 8 linemen would allow them to carry 5 RBs, a FB, 3 TEs, and 5 WRs. With the poor play of Beachum and Essex so far, right now I'd have to say Ryan Lee is the 9th best lineman at the moment, with Chris Scott being number 10.

Hawaii 5-0
08-20-2012, 11:49 PM
Could Marcus Gilbert be the Steelers LT?

Aug. 20, 2012
by SteelBlitz

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The Steelers are still looking for their starting left tackle for the 2012 season. They have a couple of options in Mike Adams, who hasnít looked good so far through two pre-season games, Max Starks, who is still not playing, but is off the PUP list recovering from an ACL injury, and Marcus Gilbert? Gilbert was the 2011 right tackle and is playing some left tackle with the first team due to the injuries on the offensive line. Gilbert has made it known that he would like to be the left tackle, but the Steelers seem ready to keep him at right tackle.

Gilbert got the start at left tackle for the Steelers second pre-season game against the Colts. Outside of one play where he allowed pressure on Ben Roehtlisberger, Gilbert played well. On the other side of the line Ramon Foster started at right tackle. Foster also played well and the starting offensive line was able to open up some nice running lanes early for Jonathan Dwyer, who started for Issac Redman.

The Steelers seem to be waiting for Starks to return so that he can take the left tackle job and leave Marcus Gilbert at right tackle, but what happens if Starks isnít ready to go? Remember, Starks is less than eight months removed from an ACL tear and is working to play the hardest position on the offensive line. If Starks is unable to go it seems unlikely the Steelers are ready to give the starting job to Mike Adams. Gilbert may be the answer to that question.

In the Steelers week one match-up with the Broncos they will be going up against the Von Miller and Elvis Dummerville, if he isnít suspended for his off-the-field issues. It seems unlikely they will let Adams to go up against these top-tier pass rushers after being beat both back-ups against the Eagles and Colts.

Gilbert should continue to practice with the first team offensive line at left tackle until Starks is ready to return. If he plays well during the final two preseason games (assuming he plays at left tackle) and plays well in practice he may have a chance to take the left tackle job.

The only issue is who takes his spot at right tackle if Gilbert moves to the left side? Well, Ramon Foster played well last night. Starks also started his career on the right side and could replace Foster there when ready. The Steelers could also keep the Gilbert-Colon-Pouncey-DeCastro-Foster line until Starks is ready and then return Gilbert to the right side.

For a position that had a lot of fans optimistic heading into training camp, the Steelers offensive line has become a question mark once again. Luckily for the Steelers it seems the inside positions are set and if Starks returns healthy soon they may just be able to solidify one of the best offensive lines Pittsburgh has seen in several years.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/could_marcus_gilbert_be_the_steelers_lt/11502247

ricardisimo
08-21-2012, 01:10 AM
I haven't had an opportunity to review the game yet, but all reports seem to be positive. Dave Bryan from Steelers Depot brought up an interesting point today that the Steelers could consider carrying only 8 offensive linemen this year with Foster, Legursky, and Adams (or Starks) being the backups. I'm honestly not sure if they've ever dressed all 9 on gameday when at least one wasn't dealing with an injury that might force him to come out of the game, so I would have to say it's reasonable. 8 linemen would allow them to carry 5 RBs, a FB, 3 TEs, and 5 WRs. With the poor play of Beachum and Essex so far, right now I'd have to say Ryan Lee is the 9th best lineman at the moment, with Chris Scott being number 10.
Has Crhis Scott really been that bad?

Hawaii 5-0
08-21-2012, 01:18 AM
Has Crhis Scott really been that bad?

yes, he's been as bad as your spelling...:flap:

tony hipchest
08-21-2012, 01:22 AM
I haven't had an opportunity to review the game yet, but all reports seem to be positive. Dave Bryan from Steelers Depot brought up an interesting point today that the Steelers could consider carrying only 8 offensive linemen this year with Foster, Legursky, and Adams (or Starks) being the backups. I'm honestly not sure if they've ever dressed all 9 on gameday when at least one wasn't dealing with an injury that might force him to come out of the game, so I would have to say it's reasonable. 8 linemen would allow them to carry 5 RBs, a FB, 3 TEs, and 5 WRs. With the poor play of Beachum and Essex so far, right now I'd have to say Ryan Lee is the 9th best lineman at the moment, with Chris Scott being number 10.i think essex stays. with 5rb's, 5 wrs, 2te's with will johnson being the swing te/fb. w. johnson and rainey definitely give the steelers flexibility to go in any direction they want.

TheVet
08-21-2012, 02:08 AM
In the Steelers week one match-up with the Broncos they will be going up against the Von Miller and Elvis Dummerville, if he isn’t suspended for his off-the-field issues.
"Elvis Dummerville," LOL. Love it.

Bayz101
08-21-2012, 02:15 AM
yes, he's been as bad as your spelling...:flap:

:toofunny:

Ricardo may, or may not, be intoximacated. :sofunny:

tanda10506
08-21-2012, 02:53 AM
i think essex stays. with 5rb's, 5 wrs, 2te's with will johnson being the swing te/fb. w. johnson and rainey definitely give the steelers flexibility to go in any direction they want.

Definitely agree on Essex, I don't see us going light on O line depth. The draft made it pretty clear that the coaches/FO realize how big of a problem the O line has been. One of the problems with the O line is depth, so they have to see that too. No way we only keep 3 backups. Essex will stay for sure and that's good enough as long as we keep a few more capable reserves (or potentially capable reserves) on the practice squad. The injuries absolutely killed us last year, but this year we have enough O line depth to sustain a guy missing a few games here and there. I also agree we will keep 5 WR. If the 5 RB's include Mendy I agree also. From what some of the commentators were talking about Sunday night though, I wouldn't be surprised if Tomlin finds a spot to keep David Paulson. According to some of the cast members, Tomlin was really talking up Paulson and seemed excited about him. If not for the injuries at RB I think we would see Dwyer go and Paulson kept, but I guess we will see. What I would like to see is us keep 4 backup O lineman, Adrian Robinson, and possibly Brandon Johnson (didn't notice him last game, did he play?).

As for Gilbert being our LT, he hasn't looked like a starter at all at RT. I know it's just preseason but I'm a bit nervous about him at RT. I really didn't think so at first, but I now think the youth on the O line may be a problem. Pouncey and Colon are solid and won't be fooled by defensive schemes. I also think DeCastro may struggle a bit at first when things go full speed week 1 against a great blitzing team, but it will be a great learning experience and by the time we play the Ravens he will likely be ready for whatever old man Ray dials up. But Tackle doesn't look good so far and when the goal is to keep Ben upright, then that's a problem. IF Starks is back in time he will be playing without any real practice since January. Adams seems to be healthy enough to play now so his health by week 1 will likely not be an issue, but he has not looked good. I really haven't seen ANYTHING that makes me think he's ready for a full speed game in Denver against Von Miller and Elvis Dummerville. On that note, what I have seen from Gilbert does have me just a bit worried about him facing that defense also. He looks like he's starting from square 1 again which is not good, but hopefully he will return to form and begin to further develop. I have been thinking all along that the O line won't have any issues, I had a lot of faith in DeCastro and Adams and I thought Gilbert did well last year and would improve on it. Although DeCastro seems to be picking it up well, Adams is not. I can see that all being an issue against some great defenses, but overall I still think this O line will be better then last years by Week 1, and better then anything we've had in a while by Week 5 or 6.

Steelersfan87
08-21-2012, 04:48 AM
Has Crhis Scott really been that bad?

Believe it or not, I actually meant that as a compliment. I haven't re-watched the Colts game yet, but here's how I would rank the linemen thus far, positional value be damned (and also obviously making an assumption on Starks):

1. Maurkice Pouncey
2. David DeCastro
3. Willie Colon
4. Marcus GIlbert
5. Max Starks
6. Ramon Foster
7. Doug Legursky
8. Mike Adams
9. Ryan Lee
10. Chris Scott
11. Trai Essex
12. John Malecki
13. Kelvin Beachum
14. Kyle Jolly

Not sure if I'm missing anybody else...Lee has proven himself against the level of competition thrown at him and needs to be put up against better players. Scott has pretty consistently been the best lineman in his group behind Lee. I liked what I saw out of him in the Eagles game. Like I said, I still need to review the Colts game (which I will do today), which can easily change things.

Bayz101
08-21-2012, 04:52 AM
Believe it or not, I actually meant that as a compliment. I haven't re-watched the Colts game yet, but here's how I would rank the linemen thus far, positional value be damned (and also obviously making an assumption on Starks):

1. Maurkice Pouncey
2. David DeCastro
3. Willie Colon
4. Marcus GIlbert
5. Max Starks
6. Ramon Foster
7. Doug Legursky
8. Mike Adams
9. Ryan Lee
10. Chris Scott
11. Trai Essex
12. John Malecki
13. Kelvin Beachum
14. Kyle Jolly

Not sure if I'm missing anybody else...Lee has proven himself against the level of competition thrown at him and needs to be put up against better players. Scott has pretty consistently been the best lineman in his group behind Lee. I liked what I saw out of him in the Eagles game. Like I said, I still need to review the Colts game (which I will do today), which can easily change things.

Based on performance, I have to agree with that. I'll watch again today as well, so i'll watch it a little better.

Steelersfan87
08-21-2012, 05:05 AM
i think essex stays. with 5rb's, 5 wrs, 2te's with will johnson being the swing te/fb. w. johnson and rainey definitely give the steelers flexibility to go in any direction they want.

I don't really know what I think right now. I honestly believe there are about a dozen different ways the positional depth on the final roster can ultimately play out this year. I've found the rosters in the last few years a lot easier to predict than this year. But obviously there are still 2 more preseason games to answer a lot of questions. I just think 8 linemen is a possibility if the 9 one truly is not one of the 53 best players on the team, especially if he has practice squad eligibility. It's also pretty unlikely that anybody signs Essex if he is cut, so he'd be just a phone call away in an emergency. I also think keeping Justin Peele as a third tight end is a real possibility. If Paulson makes the 53, I think it will be at the expense of Will Johnson, and that will depend on his ability to block from the backfield. According to Jim Wexell, he played fullback in the senior bowl and the tight end coach talked about his ability to block in-line and from the backfield, so I expect he's going to be getting some reps there after Jamie McCoy proves he's not going to make the roster. Actually he's probably already getting reps there. Ugh...like I said, a lot of options. Paulson is a Tomlin guy though (also according to Wexell), so he's got a chance, although I kind of hope they stash him on the practice squad this year so the tight ends for next year will be Miller, Saunders, and Paulson.

I also agree we will keep 5 WR. If the 5 RB's include Mendy I agree also. From what some of the commentators were talking about Sunday night though, I wouldn't be surprised if Tomlin finds a spot to keep David Paulson. According to some of the cast members, Tomlin was really talking up Paulson and seemed excited about him. If not for the injuries at RB I think we would see Dwyer go and Paulson kept, but I guess we will see. What I would like to see is us keep 4 backup O lineman, Adrian Robinson, and possibly Brandon Johnson (didn't notice him last game, did he play?).

Mendenhall has to either be on the roster, be cut, or be IRed. Anyway, as I said above about Paulson, he's a Tomlin guy, but I think he'll have to earn a roster spot this year from the backfield. Brandon Johnson played, but from what I saw he struggled (playing inside). He's not great at shedding blockers. He definitely didn't have the impact he had against the Eagles, based on what I saw on first viewing and what I've read elsewhere.

As for Gilbert being our LT, he hasn't looked like a starter at all at RT. I know it's just preseason but I'm a bit nervous about him at RT. I really didn't think so at first, but I now think the youth on the O line may be a problem. Pouncey and Colon are solid and won't be fooled by defensive schemes. I also think DeCastro may struggle a bit at first when things go full speed week 1 against a great blitzing team, but it will be a great learning experience and by the time we play the Ravens he will likely be ready for whatever old man Ray dials up. But Tackle doesn't look good so far and when the goal is to keep Ben upright, then that's a problem.

Gilbert admittedly struggled in the first game, but aside from one poor pressure and a failed cut block from what I saw, he seemed to hold up well at left tackle, and other things I've read seemed to agree, but I'm looking forward to going back through the game and getting a better idea of how he played myself. I believe Pouncey will get his ass in line if he struggles.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-21-2012, 08:46 AM
I watched the first half again last night and Adams run blocking was very good. He is a natural to put at RT for a season or 2 and then switch him to LT. I still think that Gilbert at LT and Adams at RT was the way they should have gone into camp.

Steelersfan87
08-21-2012, 01:57 PM
I did a straight run through of the game (not a close viewing) and keyed in on Adams when he was in. He actually played a lot, through most of the second quarter and into the fourth. Even though everybody is reporting that he "continues to struggle", and Dave Bryan even noted that he regressed, I have to say that in this one quick review, I believe that outside of the one sack he gave up, he played a good game. I only saw one play in the running game where he truly messed up, and in the passing game, while he did give up a couple of pressures, on only one of them (other than the sack, that I can recall) was he not in control. I need to watch it again, and more closely, but I was actually pleased with his progress.

As you said, I initially was of the opinion to start Adams on the right and have Gilbert start on the left as well. I'm still open to that idea, although not as strongly as I was in the beginning, but it does seem that for this year that may be their best offensive line. I was actually pretty impressed with Adams' blocking in the running game, and when he's motivated, he can really finish blocks. I also keyed in on Gilbert in the beginning and I also thought he played very well outside of the one clear pressure that flushed (I believe it was Roethlisberger) out of the pocket. Another good run blocker.

edit: I honestly think people's opinions of Adams in the last game were colored after Collinsworth talked about his struggles after the sack he gave up, but in reality, he wasn't really struggling much at all up until that point.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-21-2012, 02:23 PM
Adams is showing a lack of punch to neutralize the intial rush. It also minimizes his chance at getting his hands on the rusher inside his frame. Adams has also shown to not kick slide well and despite his quick feet, he lets the rusher get the outside of him.

While pass protection is a retreat block, it doesnt have to be submissive and at this point Adams looks like that in pass pro. When he learns to get in position and "strike" the rusher, he can then have a chance to control him better. He aint as bad as many say or think....he just needs a lot of work. I think its easier to get that in practice, or on Ben's Right side, not the blind side.