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Fire Haley
08-24-2012, 11:18 AM
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Through two preseason games, the Steelers offense under new offensive coordinator Todd Haley hasn’t tried to stretch the field much.

But according to receiver Emmanuel Sanders, that has nothing to do with holdout Mike Wallace yet to report to camp or the notion that the current group of receivers doesn’t have the skill set to get deep.

“At the end of the day, it is about the play calling. We haven’t had an opportunity yet. We haven’t even played until halftime yet. We all have the speed and capabilities to get behind every cornerback and every safety. It is all what Todd wants.”

• With the uncertainly of running back Rashard Mendenhall’s return along with the state of Isaac Redman’s sore hip, the Steelers might have to take a running-back-by-committee approach for the first time under Mike Tomlin. Redman, expected to be the featured back until Mendenhall returns, is fine with that. “(If) by keep switching in and out and have a running back by committee (will) help this team win, then that’s what we have to do,” Redman said.

• Fullback Will Johnson has impressed coaches since David Johnson went out with a season-ending knee injury, but not to the point of giving the first-year player out of West Virginia any reps at tight end. David Johnson would move from fullback to tight end in different sets. “We haven’t gotten into any of that yet, but I am sure if they ask me and I get some coaching, that will come as well,” Will Johnson said.

• Tomlin said RB Jason Ford (hamstring), LB James Harrison (knee), Mendenhall (knee) and LB Stevenson Sylvester (knee) will not make the trip to Buffalo. NT Casey Hampton (knee/elbow) will travel with the team but is unlikely to play.

• Tomlin said the first team will play at least the first half against the Bills and quarterback Jerrod Johnson will not play

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/2459359-85/johnson-knee-steelers-yet-field-haven-mendenhall-receivers-redman-running

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I bet Ben is itching to throw deep too

austinfrench76
08-24-2012, 11:49 AM
I think Haley actually isn't really showing much of his offense. Some because of the change over to his offense but also to not tip his hat too much!

Fire Arians
08-24-2012, 12:05 PM
I think Haley actually isn't really showing much of his offense. Some because of the change over to his offense but also to not tip his hat too much!

i agree, i'm not sold that we're gonna run the ball as much as we have this preseason. haley's just doing it to establish some sort of comfort with the running game.

i mean seriously, he had a huge man-crush on heath miller and doesn't even target him once in a preseason game? I have a strong suspicion that he's just not showing his hand, and I don't mind that.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-24-2012, 12:54 PM
It was said earlier that the Steelers were not going to open the playbook all at once. Its happening in stages and the hope is to have most of it by opening day.

Reality is that I dont think Haley will have any more than 80% of his playbook installed by opening day. Might be week 6 before he has it all at a point its comfortable to the players. Brown and Sanders can get deep if needed, but none has Wallace speed as we know.

GoFor7
08-24-2012, 12:57 PM
It was said earlier that the Steelers were not going to open the playbook all at once. Its happening in stages and the hope is to have most of it by opening day.

Reality is that I dont think Haley will have any more than 80% of his playbook installed by opening day. Might be week 6 before he has it all at a point its comfortable to the players. Brown and Sanders can get deep if needed, but none has Wallace speed as we know.

I hope that enough, because it's not clear who can be counted on for the defense with some of the injuries. The offense will have to make up the difference with scoring.

MACH1
08-24-2012, 01:03 PM
Didn't ya hear, he's already back in town. :rolleyes:

BowCatShot
08-24-2012, 01:13 PM
I think Haley actually isn't really showing much of his offense. Some because of the change over to his offense but also to not tip his hat too much!

I've never understood the logic of "not tipping your hat".

Supposedly there all of these top secret plays and formations that need to be protected from the opponents seeing them. Well then at what point in the regular season do you show them? Game 1? Game 2? Are they such that once exposed they are no longer effective? If that's the case then they don't seem to to me to be all that valuable to warrant such utmost secrecy.

Seems to me not tipping your hat might benefit your team as far as game 1 of the regular season is concerned. But beyond that, I dunno. What's wrong with my thinking on this?

tony hipchest
08-24-2012, 01:26 PM
its the big uglies turn to have some fun-

Steelers' O-line loving the downhill life ... Read more:

No one, maybe not even running backs, appreciate the running game more than offensive linemen. They'd always rather block aggressively. This is what guard Ramon Foster told me about the Steelers' renewed emphasis: "I absolutely love it. It feels like we're out there just pushing, hitting our way down the field, softening 'em up. We've still got our other weapons, but I think this makes them even more dangerous now."

http://sulia.com/channel/pittsburgh-steelers/f/7d2cb5b0-bfed-45b5-a197-0e460b0c2d6b/?source=twitter

GoFor7
08-24-2012, 02:02 PM
I've never understood the logic of "not tipping your hat".

Supposedly there all of these top secret plays and formations that need to be protected from the opponents seeing them. Well then at what point in the regular season do you show them? Game 1? Game 2? Are they such that once exposed they are no longer effective? If that's the case then they don't seem to to me to be all that valuable to warrant such utmost secrecy.

Seems to me not tipping your hat might benefit your team as far as game 1 of the regular season is concerned. But beyond that, I dunno. What's wrong with my thinking on this?

Perhaps in this case it has to do with the quality of the first opponent. If the Steelers were playing the Browns on week 1 then maybe there wouldn't be so much secrecy. Against the Broncos though, heading into a hostile environment with Peyton Manning playing his first game in over a year and a half, the Steelers may need to catch them off guard with a few tricks up their sleeve. Maybe they want the Broncos to think the offense is going to go three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust, and then pass pass pass come game time.

But yeah, beyond week 1 "not tipping your hand" really makes no difference.

Riddle_Of_Steel
08-24-2012, 02:38 PM
But yeah, beyond week 1 "not tipping your hand" really makes no difference.

I disagree strongly.

Look at our schedule. We have two games against Baltimore down the stretch that figure to be pivotal games by that point in the season. We don't want all of our cards out on the table by week 3-- we don't play the Ravens until week 11. We also have the Giants and a couple of tough Cincinnati matchups later on in the season too.

I would use as little of the playbook as needed to win each week. Let each offense that our opponents get to see each week be something new the league hasn't seen us do yet.

We want to be hitting our peak around week 13, not blowing our load too early and gassed out by midseason. Save some surrprises for the postseason as well.

I am loving the aggressive playcalling and scheming that Haley is already up to. Teams are going to expect us to come out running on every down in week 1, and Haley is probably going to have Ben light it up with stuff no other teams have seen yet this preseason.

I love it.

GoFor7
08-24-2012, 02:49 PM
But yeah, beyond week 1 "not tipping your hand" really makes no difference.

I disagree strongly.

Look at our schedule. We have two games against Baltimore down the stretch that figure to be pivotal games by that point in the season. We don't want all of our cards out on the table by week 3-- we don't play the Ravens until week 11. We also have the Giants and a couple of tough Cincinnati matchups later on in the season too.

I would use as little of the playbook as needed to win each week. Let each offense that our opponents get to see each week be something new the league hasn't seen us do yet.

We want to be hitting our peak around week 13, not blowing our load too early and gassed out by midseason. Save some surrprises for the postseason as well.

I am loving the aggressive playcalling and scheming that Haley is already up to. Teams are going to expect us to come out running on every down in week 1, and Haley is probably going to have Ben light it up with stuff no other teams have seen yet this preseason.

I love it.

Why worry about the Ravens all season? That's what they did with the Steelers last year and they lost to teams like Tennessee, Jacksonville, and Seattle. Worry about them the week before. Don't handicap the offense until week 11 and say "oh, we gotta keep things a secret until we face Baltimore!"

I'd rather not wait until week 13 to see the Steelers hit a peak. I'd like to see them do everything they can to win each game.

BowCatShot
08-24-2012, 03:18 PM
I would use as little of the playbook as needed to win each week.


That could be very hard to do. I mean if you win by a wide margin did you use too much of your playbook? If you lose did you not use enough?

GoFor7
08-24-2012, 03:22 PM
I would use as little of the playbook as needed to win each week.


That could be very hard to do. I mean if you win by a wide margin did you use too much of your playbook? If you lose did you not use enough?

Exactly. You have to go week-by-week and not worry about opponents you'll be facing in the second half of the season, even if it's the hated rival.

zcoop
08-24-2012, 04:40 PM
Exactly. You have to go week-by-week and not worry about opponents you'll be facing in the second half of the season, even if it's the hated rival.

One game at a time.

Ricco Suavez
08-24-2012, 04:49 PM
I would use as little of the playbook as needed to win each week.


That could be very hard to do. I mean if you win by a wide margin did you use too much of your playbook? If you lose did you not use enough?

This was the knock on Arians offense the last few years, no blow out wins. Just good defense and squeaking out wins against teams that on paper seemed inferior to the Steelers. I like a good running attack as much as anyone, but I feel until the offensive line improves our best offense is the pass. We just have too many weapons if used properly. Starting with QB, a nice young stable of Wide Receivers, Heath, and Rainey out of the backfield could be electric. Mix the run with the pass, and do not be afraid to keep on with what is working at that time against certain teams. I mean if they giving 5 yard cushions on the WRs then take it, if they are ripping good yardage on the ground then by all means continue to pound it.

What I have a problem with is this, do not just pass simply to be passing or run just to be running. Run plays based on what you see and/or feel the defense is giving you. Exploit the other teams weaknesses. We cannot just call running plays to suit the owner and fans. As far as blowouts I do not see us having many, just not our nature. I see no reason for that to change, just hope we come out on the better end enough times to win the division.

GoFor7
08-24-2012, 06:04 PM
What I have a problem with is this, do not just pass simply to be passing or run just to be running. Run plays based on what you see and/or feel the defense is giving you. Exploit the other teams weaknesses. We cannot just call running plays to suit the owner and fans. As far as blowouts I do not see us having many, just not our nature. I see no reason for that to change, just hope we come out on the better end enough times to win the division.

Art II made his point clear in the offseason, but now he needs to step back and let the coaches do what they think is best. I don't think anyone wants him to go Al Davis and call his coaches in the middle of a game telling them what to do.

The Steelers should run up the score when they can. Sure you can say possession keeps a defense fresher, but if you're not scoring on those possessions you're not taking pressure off a defense. With all the talent on offense, the coaching staff needs to avoid going into a scared defensive shell. Oh, and don't say "running up the score isn't the Steeler way!" Horseshit, they've run it up on teams before and you'd love to see them do it against the Ravens if they had the chance.

tony hipchest
08-24-2012, 06:20 PM
What I have a problem with is this, do not just pass simply to be passing or run just to be running. Run plays based on what you see and/or feel the defense is giving you. Exploit the other teams weaknesses. We cannot just call running plays to suit the owner and fans.agreed. situational football. we cannot just call passing plays to suit the QB and OC.

GoFor7
08-24-2012, 07:18 PM
I get the sense some people don't like the direction NFL offenses are headed.

Ricco Suavez
08-24-2012, 08:01 PM
Art II made his point clear in the offseason, but now he needs to step back and let the coaches do what they think is best. I don't think anyone wants him to go Al Davis and call his coaches in the middle of a game telling them what to do.

The Steelers should run up the score when they can. Sure you can say possession keeps a defense fresher, but if you're not scoring on those possessions you're not taking pressure off a defense. With all the talent on offense, the coaching staff needs to avoid going into a scared defensive shell. Oh, and don't say "running up the score isn't the Steeler way!" Horseshit, they've run it up on teams before and you'd love to see them do it against the Ravens if they had the chance.

I think you misunderstood my statement. Its not that we shouldn't run up scores its just we are not the type of team that has that luxury. We always seem to play down to a weaker opponent yet at the same time play up to a quality one. I would LOVE to see a few blowouts.

GoFor7
08-24-2012, 08:19 PM
I think you misunderstood my statement. Its not that we shouldn't run up scores its just we are not the type of team that has that luxury. We always seem to play down to a weaker opponent yet at the same time play up to a quality one. I would LOVE to see a few blowouts.

I understand what you meant. What I'm trying to say is that mentality needs to be flushed out of the team. At times the Steelers have made life more difficult than it needed to be.

BowCatShot
08-24-2012, 08:22 PM
I think you misunderstood my statement. Its not that we shouldn't run up scores its just we are not the type of team that has that luxury. We always seem to play down to a weaker opponent yet at the same time play up to a quality one. I would LOVE to see a few blowouts.

I don't mean to hijack this thread but this touches on a theory that I've had for some time, namely,

Lopsided scores reduce tv viewership thereby reducing advertising revenue.

Close games keep the viewers glued to the tv and watching those commercials.

What's good for the sponsors is good for the nfl is good for the players, owners, and coaches.

Ricco Suavez
08-25-2012, 07:27 AM
I am not sure its just a "Steeler mentality" that produce close games in the NFL. The talent level is not that far off in most cases from a team that makes the playoffs compared to a team that makes a habit of losing. For example look at the Colts, Rams, Browns, and Redskins form last year, four of the worst record wise. They had a combined record of 13 wins and 51 losses, but out of those 64 games 32 games were decided by 1 score or less. Four of the worst teams and they were in contention in half of their games.

Now before you say yea, but likely only against other bad teams, I will look at Green Bay's season. A league best 15-1 and known for offense as much as any one. They played in seven games with a point difference of one score or less, almost half, Look at last years Supebowl teams, the Patriots also had 7 games with a one possession difference. Now I know both of these teams had defensive problems, so lets look at the Giants a team known for defense. The Giants had 8 games within one score and on top of that they lost four blowouts not even counted in the close games. As for the Steelers they had 8 games considered close and also two blowout losses.

I think its safe to say any weekend in the NFL is going to produce close games in about half of the contests regardless of who it is or who is playing. Better teams find a way to win and losers find a way to lose.