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Bayz101
08-26-2012, 02:18 PM
http://forums.colts.com/index.php?/topic/9884-bruce-arians-play-calling/

This is entertaining. I swore for a minute I was reading older posts from this board.

Goldsteel86
08-26-2012, 02:33 PM
http://forums.colts.com/index.php?/topic/9884-bruce-arians-play-calling/

This is entertaining. I swore for a minute I was reading older posts from this board.

Hey Bayz if you would, and you are a registered user, please tell the Colts fans to relax, give it time, Bruce and Andrew will be best friends soon enough, while you are at it (if you would) please tell them that he will destroy their franchise player and they won't even know it, also if you could please explain to them that if they had any hopes for a running game or a rushing title to look at the bright side, their QB will have alot of passing yards. Oh and also inform them that the Bubble Screen is the best play available and a must, also throwing on 3 and 1 is the only play that makes sense, please send them our regards!!!

Fire Arians
08-26-2012, 02:38 PM
will be funny if they have a fire arians thread by midseason

Buddha Bus
08-26-2012, 02:41 PM
will be funny if they have a fire arians thread by midseason

Wow! You think it will take that long? :jawdrop:

Goldsteel86
08-26-2012, 02:44 PM
Wow! You think it will take that long? :jawdrop:

Benefit of the doubt, mid-season is when the Colts will figure it out, the fans will know by week two and that may even be a stretch.

Buddha Bus
08-26-2012, 02:47 PM
Benefit of the doubt, mid-season is when the Colts will figure it out, the fans will know by week two and that may even be a stretch.

It took the Steelers 5 years. :doh:

Maybe it will be recognized earlier since Arians doesn't have his evil Emperor hooks in Luck just yet like he did with his Darth Vader, Ben. :chuckle:

Goldsteel86
08-26-2012, 02:52 PM
It took the Steelers 5 years. :doh:

Maybe it will be recognized earlier since Arians doesn't have his evil Emperor hooks in Luck just yet like he did with his Darth Vader, Ben. :chuckle:

Irsay is trying to build around, he is too busy worrying about other needs, not those needs for a competent OC, all I have to say is I really liked Andrew Luck in college, he went from an AKC pedigree to a mixed breed with Arians.

Buddha Bus
08-26-2012, 02:56 PM
he went from an AKC pedigree to a mixed breed with Arians.

With rabies, distemper, some worms, and a hint of the mange. :sofunny:

Goldsteel86
08-26-2012, 03:01 PM
With rabies, distemper, some worms, and a hint of the mange. :sofunny:

You are seeing it too???? Hopefully the Colts and fans see it too, really would hate to call him "Old Yeller".

Buddha Bus
08-26-2012, 03:04 PM
You are seeing it too???? Hopefully the Colts and fans see it too, really would hate to call him "Old Yeller".

B.A. will ruin this poor kid's career if left at the reins too long. Luck looks like he has the potential to be a top 5 QB in the league in the next couple of years, but it will depend on how badly Arians taints his skills before then.

Goldsteel86
08-26-2012, 03:07 PM
B.A. will ruin this poor kid's career if left at the reins too long. Luck looks like he has the potential to be a top 5 QB in the league in the next couple of years, but it will depend on how badly Arians taints his skills before then.

The kid is young, has natural ability, real natural, Bruce will find a way to destroy it, what a shame all that stock the Colts put into such a potential talent, all the money paid to a waste of an OC, what a shame!!!

mikegrimey
08-26-2012, 04:01 PM
http://forums.colts.com/index.php?/topic/9884-bruce-arians-play-calling/

This is entertaining. I swore for a minute I was reading older posts from this board.

I only read the first page of the thread, so maybe they changed their tune, but most of the people seemed upset that the Colts were running a conservative offense "not taking shots" etc., hardly the kind of complaining I've heard about Arians around here.

The kind of posts about Arians on here spuriously accuse him of calling a 5-wide formation every time we faced a 3 & 1.

lardlad
08-26-2012, 08:40 PM
It won't be hard to criticize Arians, but to be fair most people have already made up their minds about Luck. If he is a bust, the OC is likely to get the blame who ever it might be, justified or not.

OTOH, I am loving the work our O has been doing on short plays. Ben looks like a better QB IMO. Maybe it's my bias against Arians?

teegre
08-27-2012, 12:36 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Bruce Arians has had Peyton, BB, and now Luck.  Those three QBs have kept & will keep him employed for nearly two decades... because, without them, he is Kevin Gilbride (sans the porn stache).   

OX1947
08-27-2012, 01:02 AM
You could bring Ray Sherman and his entire family to call the plays and nothing will keep Andrew Luck from being the best QB in the NFL within the next 3 to 4 years. That bastard is a stud and he is going to own this league.

ricardisimo
08-27-2012, 03:22 AM
I only read the first page of the thread, so maybe they changed their tune, but most of the people seemed upset that the Colts were running a conservative offense "not taking shots" etc., hardly the kind of complaining I've heard about Arians around here.

The kind of posts about Arians on here spuriously accuse him of calling a 5-wide formation every time we faced a 3 & 1.
Actually, the common claim here was that Brucie was a bit too fond of out-thinking himself, so 3rd-and-short he'd put a gimpy Ben in an empty backfield, while on 2nd-and-long he'd throw the bubble screen to his slowest player (Hines). So, no, it wasn't about him being too conservative or too aggressive. Just stupid, and an awful game manager.

And I love already seeing this argument over there:
I was fine with the plays. I was not fine with the execution.

steelfury02
08-27-2012, 09:08 AM
lol, yup, they'll learn more and more that Arians will not put them in the best position to succeeed

I can't wait for the apologist side to form

jiminpa
08-27-2012, 09:57 AM
Looks like Steelers message boards for the past five years. The apologists are already making the same excuses too.

El-Gonzo Jackson
08-27-2012, 10:26 AM
lol, yup, they'll learn more and more that Arians will not put them in the best position to succeeed

I can't wait for the apologist side to form

This is why it will be fun to watch. Arians can be a great playcaller, but he eventually gets lost in the assertion that his way is the only way to go.

He will have good games with Luck throwing it around to all the WR's, but lose close games because they cant convert short yardage and run a 4 minute offense to close out the deal. Just like in Cleveland, just like in Pittsburgh.

mikegrimey
08-27-2012, 01:07 PM
Actually, the common claim here was that Brucie was a bit too fond of out-thinking himself, so 3rd-and-short he'd put a gimpy Ben in an empty backfield, while on 2nd-and-long he'd throw the bubble screen to his slowest player (Hines). So, no, it wasn't about him being too conservative or too aggressive. Just stupid, and an awful game manager.

And I love already seeing this argument over there:

You're kind of right, people do criticize Arians as someone who out-tricks himself, but I'm also right. Most of the criticism denigrates to a few sdubious accusations such as "he always ran an empty backfield on 3 and 1" it charges that he often called a bubble screen to Hines ward on 2nd and long. It was also a charge against him that he looked for the big play too often, whereas colts fans were criticizing the play calling as too conservative, hardly the kind of charge you'd hear on this board.

lloydwoodson
08-29-2012, 03:14 AM
You're kind of right, people do criticize Arians as someone who out-tricks himself, but I'm also right. Most of the criticism denigrates to a few sdubious accusations such as "he always ran an empty backfield on 3 and 1" it charges that he often called a bubble screen to Hines ward on 2nd and long. It was also a charge against him that he looked for the big play too often, whereas colts fans were criticizing the play calling as too conservative, hardly the kind of charge you'd hear on this board.

Arians did call shotgun and empty backfield sets on a regular basis on 3rd and short.

On 3rd and 2 last year Arians ran 4 times and threw 12 times. On 3rd and 3 last year Arians ran 0 times and threw 19 times. People who say that Arians threw too much on 3rd and short are 100% correct.

Only 1 bubble screen was thrown on 3rd down last year so the people saying those plays were used on 2nd and long are 100% right.

Arians did look for the big play too much which is why his teams have averaged 2.7 sacks allowed/game throughout his career. That is a lot.

If Arians was a good offensive coordinator he would still be in Pittsburgh. *Edit* Or he would be a head coach for another team. *Edit*

Do you even watch the games?

Steelers fans have watched Arians offense for 5 years. Colts fans have watched Arians offense for 2 preseason games. How is their viewpoint relevant? How is your viewpoint relevant?

mikegrimey
08-29-2012, 05:25 AM
Arians did call shotgun and empty backfield sets on a regular basis on 3rd and short.

On 3rd and 2 last year Arians ran 4 times and threw 12 times. On 3rd and 3 last year Arians ran 0 times and threw 19 times. People who say that Arians threw too much on 3rd and short are 100% correct.

Only 1 bubble screen was thrown on 3rd down last year so the people saying those plays were used on 2nd and long are 100% right.

Arians did look for the big play too much which is why his teams have averaged 2.7 sacks allowed/game throughout his career. That is a lot.

If Arians was a good offensive coordinator he would still be in Pittsburgh. *Edit* Or he would be a head coach for another team. *Edit*

Do you even watch the games?

Steelers fans have watched Arians offense for 5 years. Colts fans have watched Arians offense for 2 preseason games. How is their viewpoint relevant? How is your viewpoint relevant?

You're not reading what i said
I said Arians is falsely accused of running an empty backfield every time on 3rd and 1, not "3 rd and short". If you have evidence of us always coming out in a 5-wide formation on 3 and 1 I'd love to see it.

Also you use baffling logic, just because you claim only one bubble screen was called on 3rd down (with nothing to support this claim) doesn't mean the plays were predominately used on 2nd and long to "the slowest player on the field."
That's laughable, there's 2nd and short, 2nd medium, and 1st down as well.
You question if I watch the games?
Do you understand what you read?

lloydwoodson
08-29-2012, 07:57 AM
You're not reading what i said
I said Arians is falsely accused of running an empty backfield every time on 3rd and 1, not "3 rd and short". If you have evidence of us always coming out in a 5-wide formation on 3 and 1 I'd love to see it.

Also you use baffling logic, just because you claim only one bubble screen was called on 3rd down (with nothing to support this claim) doesn't mean the plays were predominately used on 2nd and long to "the slowest player on the field."
That's laughable, there's 2nd and short, 2nd medium, and 1st down as well.
You question if I watch the games?
Do you understand what you read?

All stats from Steelers Depot.

Arians passed a lot on 3rd and short. Don't ignore the stats provided to launch a straw man argument.

90% of bubble screens were thrown on 1st down or 2nd and long. Do some research if you are going to blast people for stating the obvious.

madtowndrunkard
08-29-2012, 09:09 AM
I can't believe I'm going to say this... because I also think Arians might be the worst offensive coordinator I've ever seen.... ITS PRE SEASON!

As someone already mentioned - NO ONE Calls a real game in the preseason. I don't hear anyone on our board complaining about the steelers play calling... but if it the games were real - fans would be going nuts... most of our play calling has been bad - if it were a real game....but it's not...so we all realize it means nothing. There's a purpose to the play calling right now, it's just that the purpose isn't to win the game... .it's to prepare the offense.

Just proves once again how much smarter steeler fans are compared to most of the league. In a couple months the Colt fans will have something to complain about, till then they should just shut up and enjoy the fact that they might have found a very good alternative to Peyton Manning...when everyone pretty much wrote them off to be a door mat for the next 10 years.

ricardisimo
08-29-2012, 11:07 AM
I can't believe I'm going to say this... because I also think Arians might be the worst offensive coordinator I've ever seen.... ITS PRE SEASON!

As someone already mentioned - NO ONE Calls a real game in the preseason. I don't hear anyone on our board complaining about the steelers play calling... but if it the games were real - fans would be going nuts... most of our play calling has been bad - if it were a real game....but it's not...so we all realize it means nothing. There's a purpose to the play calling right now, it's just that the purpose isn't to win the game... .it's to prepare the offense.

Just proves once again how much smarter steeler fans are compared to most of the league. In a couple months the Colt fans will have something to complain about, till then they should just shut up and enjoy the fact that they might have found a very good alternative to Peyton Manning...when everyone pretty much wrote them off to be a door mat for the next 10 years.
Well, I'm not sure any of us even cared what plays Arians was calling. I was much more concerned about how the rookies performed. It's just interesting watching history repeat itself on their message boards.

MACH1
08-29-2012, 11:17 AM
I don't think the play calling is that bad, i'd just like to see a little more deep passing.
Careful what you wish for.

I don't want to sound like some sort of expert or anything, but that 2nd and 4 with the right side stacked, I just said to my buddy, 'run to the right gonna lose a couple.'
So were the announcers. :toofunny:


Yep, you can already see the apologist sides forming.

Millers the sh!t
08-29-2012, 12:38 PM
I can't believe I'm going to say this... because I also think Arians might be the worst offensive coordinator I've ever seen.... ITS PRE SEASON!

As someone already mentioned - NO ONE Calls a real game in the preseason. I don't hear anyone on our board complaining about the steelers play calling... but if it the games were real - fans would be going nuts... most of our play calling has been bad - if it were a real game....but it's not...so we all realize it means nothing. There's a purpose to the play calling right now, it's just that the purpose isn't to win the game... .it's to prepare the offense.

Just proves once again how much smarter steeler fans are compared to most of the league. In a couple months the Colt fans will have something to complain about, till then they should just shut up and enjoy the fact that they might have found a very good alternative to Peyton Manning...when everyone pretty much wrote them off to be a door mat for the next 10 years.

Yea we know its pre season, but Arians play calling is already at mid season form.

Fire Arians
08-29-2012, 12:55 PM
http://www.stillers.com/articles/2211.aspx

mikegrimey
08-29-2012, 07:12 PM
All stats from Steelers Depot.

Arians passed a lot on 3rd and short. Don't ignore the stats provided to launch a straw man argument.

90% of bubble screens were thrown on 1st down or 2nd and long. Do some research if you are going to blast people for stating the obvious.

I thought you were trolling me for a second because it's too funny that you accuse me of fighting a straw man when you're over here doing nothing but waging war against scarecrows, debating your personal demons, charging windmills and all that other good stuff.

I never made any remarks about Arians play calling on "3rd & short", you know very well, if you read my post, that I was chastising the people who erroneously accuse Arians of running an empty backfield on every 3rd and 1.

And, if you read my posts, you would know my point was that the criticism of colt's fans against Arians doesn't resemble the kind of criticism he was getting from pittsburgh fans. You yourself said that "he went for the deep play too much" basically reaffirming my remark that steelers fans didn't think he was too conservative.

The rest was just you fantasizing and debating points I never made, like bubble screens on third down. I merely refuted the idea that he frequently called a bubble screen to the "slowest player on the field" on 2nd and long. If i'm wrong i'll eat my words, but your "stats" don't prove anything of the sort. As I so obviously pointed out before, outside of third down, there's 1st, 2nd and short, 2nd and medium before 2nd and long.

Among your other fantasies was for some reason trying to educate me on why Arians was a bad offensive coordinator, when I never took either side of that argument in this thread (I have voiced my opinions about him on here, but I don't post frequently enough so I can understand why you wouldn't know them) but assuming one way or the other just makes you look like a fool.

BowCatShot
08-29-2012, 07:54 PM
I can't believe I'm going to say this... because I also think Arians might be the worst offensive coordinator I've ever seen....

I wish you could've seen Joe Walton. Words cannot describe the ineptness of that guy.

Edman
08-30-2012, 03:17 PM
"Recievers aren't gettin open and O-Line stinkin it up "

Does this not sound familiar to anyone?

No, this isn't preseason, this is the Bruce Arians status quo. What the Colts fans see is what they're going to get. Even when the Colts came to Pittsburgh I noticed that this old dog didn't learn any new tricks. Andy Luck better be ready to prepare himself for the offensive ****storm that's coming his way.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=90598

STEELAMANIA
08-30-2012, 05:37 PM
Backyard football invasion in Indy!!!!!!!!!! bwahahahahahahhahahaaaaa. Hey ...Im open throw it to me!!! Wait......I was open.....

lloydwoodson
08-30-2012, 09:44 PM
I thought you were trolling me for a second because it's too funny that you accuse me of fighting a straw man when you're over here doing nothing but waging war against scarecrows, debating your personal demons, charging windmills and all that other good stuff.

I never made any remarks about Arians play calling on "3rd & short", you know very well, if you read my post, that I was chastising the people who erroneously accuse Arians of running an empty backfield on every 3rd and 1.

And, if you read my posts, you would know my point was that the criticism of colt's fans against Arians doesn't resemble the kind of criticism he was getting from pittsburgh fans. You yourself said that "he went for the deep play too much" basically reaffirming my remark that steelers fans didn't think he was too conservative.

The rest was just you fantasizing and debating points I never made, like bubble screens on third down. I merely refuted the idea that he frequently called a bubble screen to the "slowest player on the field" on 2nd and long. If i'm wrong i'll eat my words, but your "stats" don't prove anything of the sort. As I so obviously pointed out before, outside of third down, there's 1st, 2nd and short, 2nd and medium before 2nd and long.

Among your other fantasies was for some reason trying to educate me on why Arians was a bad offensive coordinator, when I never took either side of that argument in this thread (I have voiced my opinions about him on here, but I don't post frequently enough so I can understand why you wouldn't know them) but assuming one way or the other just makes you look like a fool.

Admit that Arians throws the ball overwhelmingly on 3rd and short.

Admit that the bubble screen was thrown on 2nd and long frequently, and was frequently thrown to Ward. (On 2nd down 16 bubble screens were thrown from 7 yards or longer. 10 screens were thrown from 6 yards or less. The majority were from 2nd and long. Ward averaged 4 ypc on his 11 screen receptions).

Stop splitting hairs and jumping on Steelers fans just to be right by ignoring the spirit of their comments.

Then apologize.

mikegrimey
08-31-2012, 05:37 AM
Admit that Arians throws the ball overwhelmingly on 3rd and short.

Admit that the bubble screen was thrown on 2nd and long frequently, and was frequently thrown to Ward. (On 2nd down 16 bubble screens were thrown from 7 yards or longer. 10 screens were thrown from 6 yards or less. The majority were from 2nd and long. Ward averaged 4 ypc on his 11 screen receptions).

Stop splitting hairs and jumping on Steelers fans just to be right by ignoring the spirit of their comments.

Then apologize.

SORI I don't respond to grade-school challenges on message boards.

All those things I never postulated for or against inthw first place

And

It's not called splitting hairs

It's called saying what you mean. It's not my fault you won't comprehend what I said, I made my points as clearly as possible

Rockonsteel
08-31-2012, 08:29 AM
I can't believe I'm going to say this... because I also think Arians might be the worst offensive coordinator I've ever seen....


I wish you could've seen Joe Walton. Words cannot describe the ineptness of that guy.

Now, that's just mean. Why would you wish that on anybody?

:noidea:

Rockon

cloppbeast
08-31-2012, 08:45 AM
Do you pretend the degree and frequency of fans complaining serves as the best judgement of a OC? Because in that case, 25 of the OCs in the NFL stink.

Granted, BA didn't suit the Steelers. He pretty much let Ben run the offense. He will probably do much better with a more down to earth, less diva-ish quarterback.

At the moment, the Colts don't have much talent anywhere on offense; and the talent he has to work with in TE and QB are green. But naturally, fans would never blame personnel for offensive woes. They favor silver bullets like a new OC.

Give BA a break for God's sake. He's gone now, let it go.

steelfury02
08-31-2012, 10:12 AM
the only time I can predict the failure of a team, or coaches, is when listening to Brownie fans cry year in and year out. I can't even hate that team anymore.

I want to throw canned goods their way, bring a Salvation Army bell dude to the stadium gate, and mistake them for a Goodwill and dump tons of garbage bags of clothes at their feet, you know, the 2010 AFC champions shirts with too many wing sauce stains on them . . .

lloydwoodson
08-31-2012, 08:15 PM
Every offense is starting to spread out and have an empty backfield. Steelers fans are traditionalists who don't like change. With Haley a more traditional offense will be in place with more swing passes to rbs, a varied running attack, better use of fb, better use of te etc. I am excited moving forward. Arians did a decent job with the team and his time is up- thanks to Arians for his service!

sluggermatt15
09-01-2012, 08:37 PM
Every offense is starting to spread out and have an empty backfield. Steelers fans are traditionalists who don't like change. With Haley a more traditional offense will be in place with more swing passes to rbs, a varied running attack, better use of fb, better use of te etc. I am excited moving forward. Arians did a decent job with the team and his time is up- thanks to Arians for his service!

Very true statement. I am definitely a traditionalist - the Steelers will always be run first and tough defense, in my eyes - even though they are changing their mantra. I am interested to see how Haley works out and if he'll really have a big impact on the productivity of the Steeler offense.