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Fire Haley
09-12-2012, 12:53 PM
US envoy dies in Benghazi consulate attack

Ambassador and three staffers killed during attack in east Libya city over US-produced film deemed insulting by Muslims.

The US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, has died from smoke inhalation in an attack on the US consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, security sources have said.

An armed mob attacked and set fire to the building in a protest against an amateur film deemed offensive to Islam's Prophet Muhammad, after similar protests in Egypt's capital.

Cairo attack

Just hours earlier on Tuesday, thousands of Egyptian demonstrators apparently angry over the same film - a video produced by expatriate members of Egypt's Coptic community resident in the US - tore down the Stars and Stripes at the US embassy in Cairo and replaced it with a black Islamic flag.

The two incidents came on the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks in the US.


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/20129112108737726.html

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We should have nuked Mecca on 9/12/01

MACH1
09-12-2012, 01:32 PM
U.S. Embassy Condemns Religious Incitement

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our Patriots**** and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.
http://egypt.usembassy.gov/pr091112.html


It's all our fault. Let the apologies fly.

And this is the religion of peace.

Fire Haley
09-12-2012, 02:32 PM
It's all our fault. Let the apologies fly.

And this is the religion of peace.

and Egypt is our friend




Muslim Brotherhood Refuses to Condemn Attack on US Embasssy

(CNSNews.com) - The Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) in Egypt denounced the anti-Islam movie that reportedly served as a catalyst for the Islamist storming of the U.S. Embassy in Egypt and the murder of the U.S. Ambassador to Libya.

Secretary General of the Muslim Brotherhood Mahmud Hussein on Wednesday called for protests to be held on Friday throughout Egypt against the movie.

He stopped short of condemning the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Cairo

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/muslim-brotherhood-refuses-condemn-attack-us-embasssy?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

MACH1
09-12-2012, 03:05 PM
It's being reported that in Libya it was a commando style attack well thought out and carried out.

A terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11?

Atlanta Dan
09-12-2012, 05:39 PM
and Egypt is our friend

Muslim Brotherhood Refuses to Condemn Attack on US Embasssy

(CNSNews.com) - The Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) in Egypt denounced the anti-Islam movie that reportedly served as a catalyst for the Islamist storming of the U.S. Embassy in Egypt and the murder of the U.S. Ambassador to Libya.

Secretary General of the Muslim Brotherhood Mahmud Hussein on Wednesday called for protests to be held on Friday throughout Egypt against the movie.

He stopped short of condemning the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Cairo

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/muslim-brotherhood-refuses-condemn-attack-us-embasssy?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Our partners in peace apparently intend to file a lawsuit:banging:

Egypt to take legal action in U.S. against Prophet film makers

CAIRO, Sept 12 (Reuters) - Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi asked the Egyptian embassy in Washington to take legal action in the United States against makers of a film attacking the Muslim Prophet Mohammad, the official state news agency said on Wednesday.

Mursi had requested the mission take "all legal measures", the MENA agency said, without giving further details on what that might involve.

Protesters who demonstrated outside the U.S. embassy in Cairo on Tuesday had demanded action by the president.

http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL5E8KCJ5X20120912

steelax04
09-12-2012, 05:57 PM
Excuse my French... but these ****ers are batshit crazy.

Fire Haley
09-12-2012, 08:13 PM
It's being reported that in Libya it was a commando style attack well thought out and carried out.

A terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11?

of course it was, that stupid video has been out since July - - they just used it as another excuse to kill more Americans.

The only thing these animals understand is the heel of your boot - send in the B-52's and carpet bomb every one of their cities with napalm.

Fire Haley
09-12-2012, 08:35 PM
Excuse my French... but these ****ers are batshit crazy.



They are showing pics of the dead Ambassador's body being dragged through the streets now....just like in Somalia.

Fire Haley
09-12-2012, 08:46 PM
Romney: “It’s disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”


ker-pow!

He nailed it....no wonder the libtards are screaming

Atlanta Dan
09-12-2012, 09:29 PM
Romney: “It’s disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

ker-pow!

He nailed it....no wonder the libtards are screaming

Noted libtard Peggy Noonan of that left wing rag The Wall Street Journal disagrees

Noonan: 'Romney Looked Weak Today'

WSJ 'Declarations' Columnist Peggy Noonan says Mitt Romney "didn't do himself any favors" with his response to the U.S. Embassy attacks in Libya

http://live.wsj.com/?category=opinion#!B8B3D9D4-3880-4382-8FEB-917038CCC7EA

Fire Haley
09-12-2012, 09:37 PM
finally, someone else with some balls....that's my boy



Perry blames Obama administration for Libya attack


AUSTIN, Texas -- Gov. Rick Perry is blaming the Obama administration for the death of a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans in an attack in the Libyan city of Benghazi.

In a harshly worded statement Wednesday, Perry blasted the president for condemning the attacks yet acknowledging "our attackers' supposed justification."

He said that conveys "an impotent foreign policy that fostered this crisis in the first place."

Perry said recent U.S. policy in Libya hasn't secured the country and allowed "rockets and artillery to be scattered to the terrorist winds."

He also blamed Tuesday's burning of the U.S. flag at the embassy in Cairo on what he called Obama's "shameful lack of leadership in Egypt."

He added: "it is no wonder our enemies in the region are emboldened and our allies are afraid."

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/12/4814428/perry-blames-obama-administration.html

Fire Haley
09-12-2012, 09:49 PM
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Fire Haley
09-13-2012, 05:45 AM
I expect more apologies...



Yemeni protesters storm U.S. embassy

DUBAI, Sept 13 (Reuters) - Hundreds of Yemeni demonstrators stormed the U.S. embassy in Sanaa on Thursday in protest at a film deemed blasphemous to Islam, and security guards tried to hold them off by opening fire in the air, witnesses said.

They said the demonstrators smashed windows of the security offices outside the embassy before breaking through the main gate of the heavily fortified compound in eastern Sanaa. Security guards opened fire and there were reports of casualties on both sides but no details were immediately available.

http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL5E8KD4DV20120913

Bayz101
09-13-2012, 05:49 AM
:doh:

Fire Haley
09-13-2012, 10:57 AM
"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction" - Obama,“The Audacity of Hope”

http://nsroundtable.org/files/5413/3552/9722/Obama_bowing_to_Saudi_King_2.jpg


Barry and Hillary broke Libya and Egypt. Now they own it.


Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asked: “How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction?”

Dear Comrade Hillary, appeasement does not work with terrorists, now the whole country is run by them - it's your fault


See Carter, '79, Iran

Fire Haley
09-13-2012, 11:14 AM
Welcome aboard...Tunisia


Embassy protests spread to other “Arab Spring” nations

Chanting “death to America,” hundreds of protesters angered by an anti-Islam film stormed the U.S. Embassy compound in Yemen’s capital and burned the American flag on Thursday, the latest in a series of attacks on American diplomatic missions in the Middle East.

American missions have been attacked in three Arab nations – Yemen, Egypt and Libya – that have faced persistent unrest and are struggling to restore law and order after last year’s revolts deposed their authoritarian regimes.


Anti-American rioting spread yesterday to Tunisia, where police used tear gas to stop hundreds of protesters from storming the United States Embassy in protest over a film mocking the prophet Mohammed.

The throngs of demonstrators, who carried the white and black banners of militant Salifist Muslims, had been protesting peacefully in Tunis for hours when about 300 started to break through the gates.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/13/embassy-protests-spread-to-other-arab-spring-nations/

MACH1
09-13-2012, 12:03 PM
3 guess's: who declared the war on terror was over?

Fire Haley
09-13-2012, 12:19 PM
It's all our fault. Let the apologies fly.

Hillary's turn...


Clinton calls anti-Islam video 'disgusting'

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is sharpening her criticism of an anti-Islam video that provoked protests in the Arab world.

Clinton says the film is "disgusting and reprehensible." She calls it a cynical attempt to offend people for their religious beliefs.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON_PROPHET_FILM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-13-10-37-43

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Took place on your watch. Own it bitch. You put the "Arab Spring" Brotherhood in power.

The white house is now using the movie as cover for their own incompetence...disgusting.

Oh, and you libtards in Hollywood can make all the anti-christian movies you want, it's OK....we'll try and keep the rioting and murdering of diplomats to a minimum.

Vincent
09-13-2012, 02:44 PM
- send in the B-52's and carpet bomb every one of their cities with napalm.

Why waste ordnance on 7th century sub humans. Oblige their wish to return the world to their blight by returning them to the 7th century. EMP.

MACH1
09-13-2012, 02:55 PM
I say carpet bomb em with bacon.

Besides obama's more concerned being on the tonight show and campaigning. Nothing to see here move along.

Vincent
09-13-2012, 03:02 PM
I say carpet bomb em with bacon.

Why waste bacon. EMP return to the 7th century.

MACH1
09-13-2012, 03:07 PM
Goats don't run on electronics.

ricardisimo
09-14-2012, 06:59 AM
I think it's all very sad. I feel for this man and his family. I have to assume that as an ambassador his goal was to find non-violent solutions to problems, and I'm hoping that we can honor his memory by doing better than suggesting dropping bombs or bacon, or referring to the people he tried to serve as "sub-humans". I doubt very much that he would have appreciated any such sentiments.

Vincent
09-14-2012, 09:19 AM
Goats don't run on electronics.

IEDs and goat porn do.

I think it's all very sad. I feel for this man and his family. I have to assume that as an ambassador his goal was to find non-violent solutions to problems, and I'm hoping that we can honor his memory by doing better than suggesting dropping bombs or bacon, or referring to the people he tried to serve as "sub-humans". I doubt very much that he would have appreciated any such sentiments.

In what anarchist haze do you live that you think an ambassador of the United States is sent to "serve" the country in which he is stationed? They're sent to be the face of the United States of America, the voice of our policies, and to manage safe haven for our interests, travelers, expats, and those we send to spy on and destabilize sub human regimes. As such, they were soldiers lost to the indifference of the CiC that sent them (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html).

Link courtesy of SNS... http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/49522?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Fire Haley
09-14-2012, 09:20 AM
Oh yes, let us pray for the glorious "freedom fighters" that murdered him.

Allahu Akbar!



Bloody hand prints, stolen documents and shocking security failings: Harrowing pictures inside crumbling U.S. consulate in Benghazi after attacks that left ambassador and three others dead

Dramatic images of bloody hand prints and crumbling buildings capture horror of Tuesday's attack on U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, which fell on 11th anniversary of 9/11 terrorist attacks

Sensitive documents have gone missing from compound, including names of Libyans working with Americans.

Libya’s deputy interior minister Wanis el-Sharef told the Associated Press today that heavily armed militants used a protest of an anti-Islam film as a cover in their deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate, screaming 'God is great!' as they scaled its outer walls and descended on the main building.

The official told the Associated Press it was a two-pronged attack, adding that hours after the crowd stormed the consulate Tuesday night, the militants raided a safe house in the compound just as U.S. and Libyan security arrived to evacuate the staff, suggesting infiltrators within the security forces may have tipped off the militants to the location of the safe house.

The attacks were suspected to have been timed to coincide with the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist strike in the United States, el-Sharef added, with the militants using the film protest by Libyan civilians to mask their action.

Also killed in the attack were information management officer Sean Smith, private security guard and former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty and one other American who has yet to be identified.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/14/article-2202979-14F85D04000005DC-522_296x183.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/14/article-2202979-150018E4000005DC-23_964x608.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/14/article-2202979-15001DF0000005DC-481_964x626.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202979/Benghazi-attack-U-S-consulate-pictured-Libyan-attack-revealed-officials-knew-attack-plans-48-HOURS-before.html#ixzz26RwCc7fg

Vincent
09-14-2012, 09:40 AM
I979 again.

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/AOkjD.LwturGtdcipd8PCA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD02MTI7cT04NTt3PTUwMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-04-10T200106Z_1270984733_GM1E84B0BF601_RTRMADP_3_USA-JAPAN.JPG

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-8135797.html
Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination
Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

The killings of the US ambassador to Libya and three of his staff were likely to have been the result of a serious and continuing security breach, The Independent can reveal.

American officials believe the attack was planned, but Chris Stevens had been back in the country only a short while and the details of his visit to Benghazi, where he and his staff died, were meant to be confidential.

The US administration is now facing a crisis in Libya. Sensitive documents have gone missing from the consulate in Benghazi and the supposedly secret location of the "safe house" in the city, where the staff had retreated, came under sustained mortar attack. Other such refuges across the country are no longer deemed "safe".

Some of the missing papers from the consulate are said to list names of Libyans who are working with Americans, putting them potentially at risk from extremist groups, while some of the other documents are said to relate to oil contracts.

According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.

Mr Stevens had been on a visit to Germany, Austria and Sweden and had just returned to Libya when the Benghazi trip took place with the US embassy's security staff deciding that the trip could be undertaken safely.

Eight Americans, some from the military, were wounded in the attack which claimed the lives of Mr Stevens, Sean Smith, an information officer, and two US Marines. All staff from Benghazi have now been moved to the capital, Tripoli, and those whose work is deemed to be non-essential may be flown out of Libya.

In the meantime a Marine Corps FAST Anti-Terrorism Reaction Team has already arrived in the country from a base in Spain and other personnel are believed to be on the way. Additional units have been put on standby to move to other states where their presence may be needed in the outbreak of anti-American fury triggered by publicity about a film which demeaned the Prophet Mohamed.

A mob of several hundred stormed the US embassy in the Yemeni capital Sanaa yesterday. Other missions which have been put on special alert include almost all those in the Middle East, as well as in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Armenia, Burundi and Zambia.

Senior officials are increasingly convinced, however, that the ferocious nature of the Benghazi attack, in which rocket-propelled grenades were used, indicated it was not the result of spontaneous anger due to the video, called Innocence of Muslims. Patrick Kennedy, Under-
Secretary at the State Department, said he was convinced the assault was planned due to its extensive nature and the proliferation of weapons.

There is growing belief that the attack was in revenge for the killing in a drone strike in Pakistan of Mohammed Hassan Qaed, an al-Qa'ida operative who was, as his nom-de-guerre Abu Yahya al-Libi suggests, from Libya, and timed for the anniversary of the 11 September attacks.

Senator Bill Nelson, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said: "I am asking my colleagues on the committee to immediately investigate what role al-Qa'ida or its affiliates may have played in the attack and to take appropriate action."

According to security sources the consulate had been given a "health check" in preparation for any violence connected to the 9/11 anniversary. In the event, the perimeter was breached within 15 minutes of an angry crowd starting to attack it at around 10pm on Tuesday night.

There was, according to witnesses, little defence put up by the 30 or more local guards meant to protect the staff. Ali Fetori, a 59-year-old accountant who lives near by, said: "The security people just all ran away and the people in charge were the young men with guns and bombs."

Wissam Buhmeid, the commander of the Tripoli government-sanctioned Libya's Shield Brigade, effectively a police force for Benghazi, maintained that it was anger over the Mohamed video which made the guards abandon their post. "There were definitely people from the security forces who let the attack happen because they were themselves offended by the film; they would absolutely put their loyalty to the Prophet over the consulate. The deaths are all nothing compared to insulting the Prophet."

Mr Stevens, it is believed, was left in the building by the rest of the staff after they failed to find him in dense smoke caused by a blaze which had engulfed the building. He was discovered lying unconscious by local people and taken to a hospital, the Benghazi Medical Centre, where, according to a doctor, Ziad Abu Ziad, he died from smoke inhalation.

An eight-strong American rescue team was sent from Tripoli and taken by troops under Captain Fathi al- Obeidi, of the February 17 Brigade, to the secret safe house to extract around 40 US staff. The building then came under fire from heavy weapons. "I don't know how they found the place to carry out the attack. It was planned, the accuracy with which the mortars hit us was too good for any ordinary revolutionaries," said Captain Obeidi. "It began to rain down on us, about six mortars fell directly on the path to the villa."

Libyan reinforcements eventually arrived, and the attack ended. News had arrived of Mr Stevens, and his body was picked up from the hospital and taken back to Tripoli with the other dead and the survivors.

Mr Stevens' mother, Mary Commanday, spoke of her son yesterday. "He did love what he did, and he did a very good job with it. He could have done a lot of other things, but this was his passion. I have a hole in my heart," she said.

Global anger: The protests spread

Yemen
The furore across the Middle East over the controversial film about the Prophet Mohamed is now threatening to get out of control. In Sana'a, the Yemeni capital, yesterday around 5,000 demonstrators attacked the US embassy, leaving at least 15 people injured. Young protesters, shouted: "We sacrifice ourselves for you, Messenger of God," smashed windows of the security offices and burned at least five cars, witnesses said.

Egypt
Egypt's Islamist President Mohamed Morsi yesterday condemned the attack in Benghazi that killed the US ambassador. In a speech in Brussels, Mr Morsi said he had spoken to President Obama and condemned "in the clearest terms" the Tuesday attacks. Despite this, and possibly playing to a domestic audience, President Obama said yesterday that "I don't think we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy".
Demonstrators in Cairo attacked the mission on Tuesday evening and protests have continued since.

Iraq
Militants said the anti-Islamic film "will put all the American interests Iraq in danger" and called on Muslims everywhere to "face our joint enemy", as protesters in Baghdad burned American flags yesterday. The warning from the Iranian-backed group Asaib Ahl al-Haq came as demonstrators demanded the closure of the US embassy in the capital.

Bangladesh
Islamists warned they may "besiege" the US embassy in Dhaka after security forces stopped around 1,000 protesters marching to the building. The Khelafat Andolon group called for bigger protests as demonstrators threw their fists in the air, burned the flag and chanted anti-US slogans.

Others
There was a Hamas-organised protest in Gaza City, and as many as 100 Arab Israelis took to the streets in Tel Aviv. In Afghanistan, President Hamid Karzai postponed a trip to Norway, fearing violence. Officials in Pakistan said they "expected protests". Protesters in Tunis burnt US flags.

Fire Haley
09-14-2012, 11:04 AM
So Obama knew - LIHOP ( Let it happen on purpose)?

Where's the truthers now?

ricardisimo
09-14-2012, 01:32 PM
In what anarchist haze do you live that you think an ambassador of the United States is sent to "serve" the country in which he is stationed? They're sent to be the face of the United States of America, the voice of our policies, and to manage safe haven for our interests, travelers, expats, and those we send to spy on and destabilize sub human regimes. As such, they were soldiers lost to the indifference of the CiC that sent them (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html).

Link courtesy of SNS... http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/49522?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
So he was just a soldier in an occupying army?

Vincent
09-14-2012, 02:13 PM
So he was just a soldier in an occupying army?

Don't be daft.

http://canada.usembassy.gov/ambassador/the-role-of-an-ambassador.html

The Chief of Mission -- with the title of Ambassador, Minister, or Chargé d'Affaires -- and the Deputy Chief of Mission head the mission's "country team" of U.S. Government personnel. Responsibilities of Chiefs of Mission at post also include:

Speaking with one voice to others on U.S. policy--and ensuring mission staff do likewise--while providing to the President and Secretary of State expert guidance and frank counsel;

Directing and coordinating all executive branch offices and personnel (except for those under the command of a U.S. area military commander, under another chief of mission, or on the staff of an international organization);

Cooperating with the U.S. legislative and judicial branches so that U.S. foreign policy goals are advanced; security is maintained; and executive, legislative, and judicial responsibilities are carried out;

Reviewing communications to or from mission elements;

Taking direct responsibility for the security of the mission -- including security from terrorism -- and protecting all U.S. Government personnel on official duty (other than those personnel under the command of a U.S. area military commander) and their dependents;

Carefully using mission resources through regular reviews of programs, personnel, and funding levels;

Reshaping the mission to serve American interests and values and to ensure that all executive branch agencies attached to the mission do likewise; and

Serving Americans with professional excellence, the highest standards of ethical conduct, and diplomatic discretion.

Atlanta Dan
09-14-2012, 03:16 PM
Romney: “It’s disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

ker-pow!

He nailed it....no wonder the libtards are screaming

If only W was still in charge the "apology" would never have been issued:mad:

Ooops - maybe "apologies" have been issued before the Kenyan Islamist Socialist became President

It is clear now that much of the misunderstanding surrounding the statement by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo stems from the fact that some commentators thought it had been issued after protesters stormed the embassy compound. Instead, the embassy had released it hours before the protests began, in an apparent effort to cool down emotions over a film that defamed the prophet Muhammad. ...

In context, the embassy statement appears similar to previous statements issued by embassies or spokesmen for the U.S. government in response to provocative actions that might inflame Muslims. The practice dates back at least to the appointment of Karen Hughes as undersecretary of state for public affairs in the second presidential term of George W. Bush. ...

In context, the embassy statement appears similar to previous statements issued by embassies or spokesmen for the U.S. government in response to provocative actions that might inflame Muslims. The practice dates back at least to the appointment of Karen Hughes as undersecretary of state for public affairs in the second presidential term of George W. Bush.

The Bush administration had been stunned by the violent anti-American protests in 2005 that erupted after Newsweek erroneously reported that U.S. interrogators had tried to rattle an al-Qaeda suspect by flushing a Koran down a toilet. Hughes pushed for a much more proactive communications effort, in an effort to get ahead of such reports.

Following is the full Cairo embassy statement, followed by two other examples that we found of similar statements. These statements follow a similar pattern, which we will highlight in the text:

1. Condemn the potential offending action.

2. Emphasize that the United States believes in religious freedom and religious tolerance — as well as freedom of expression or freedom of speech.

3. Make a reference to American democracy, or at least the U.S. Constitution.

Of the examples we found, the 2012 Cairo embassy statement is perhaps the weakest, though perhaps that is because it is shortest. It refers to “abuse” of the “universal right of free speech” without emphasizing that Americans have an absolute right to freedom of speech — no matter how distasteful.

The longest and most thorough statement is by the State Department spokesman in 2006. But a statement made at the daily briefing carries the full weight of the U.S. government, whereas the embassy statement is just that — a statement by the embassy, drafted in house, with little or no coordination with Washington (let alone senior State Department officials who are political appointees of the current administration).

Indeed, an interesting inside account published by Foreign Policy magazine says the statement and tweets were the work of communications staffer Larry Schwartz. The article says he cleared the statement with only one person at the embassy — not the ambassador, who was in Washington — and he posted it even though Washington, once it got wind of it, told him not to post it without changes. When The Fact Checker was diplomatic correspondent for The Washington Post, he knew and respected Schwartz as a blunt professional who was not afraid of ruffling a few feathers every so often.

Without the tragic events of this week, the Cairo statement likely would have passed unnoticed — along with the other embassy statements on Facebook contests, the ambassador’s visits to polling stations and so forth.


U.S. Embassy, Cairo, 2012:


U.S. Embassy Condemns Religious Incitement

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

— September 11, 2012 ...


State Department spokesman, 2006


Daily press briefing,

QUESTION: Yes? Can you say anything about a U.S. response or a U.S. reaction to this uproar in Europe over the Prophet Muhammad pictures? Do you have any reaction to it? Are you concerned that the violence is going to spread and make everything just —

MR. MCCORMACK: I haven't seen any — first of all, this is matter of fact. I haven't seen it. I have seen a lot of protests. I've seen a great deal of distress expressed by Muslims across the globe. The Muslims around the world have expressed the fact that they are outraged and that they take great offense at the images that were printed in the Danish newspaper, as well as in other newspapers around the world.

Our response is to say that while we certainly don't agree with, support, or in some cases, we condemn the views that are aired in public that are published in media organizations around the world, we, at the same time, defend the right of those individuals to express their views. For us, freedom of expression is at the core of our democracy and it is something that we have shed blood and treasure around the world to defend and we will continue to do so. That said, there are other aspects to democracy, our democracy — democracies around the world — and that is to promote understanding, to promote respect for minority rights, to try to appreciate the differences that may exist among us.

We believe, for example in our country, that people from different religious backgrounds, ethnic backgrounds, national backgrounds add to our strength as a country. And it is important to recognize and appreciate those differences. And it is also important to protect the rights of individuals and the media to express a point of view concerning various subjects. So while we share the offense that Muslims have taken at these images, we at the same time vigorously defend the right of individuals to express points of view. We may not agree with those points of view, we may condemn those points of view but we respect and emphasize the importance that those individuals have the right to express those points of view.

For example — and on the particular cartoon that was published — I know the Prime Minister of Denmark has talked about his, I know that the newspaper that originally printed it has apologized, so they have addressed this particular issue. So we would urge all parties to exercise the maximum degree of understanding, the maximum degree of tolerance when they talk about this issue. And we would urge dialogue, not violence. And that also those that might take offense at these images that have been published, when they see similar views or images that could be perceived as anti-Semitic or anti-Catholic, that they speak out with equal vigor against those images.

— Feb. 3. 2006

The Bottom Line

We have looked in vain for an “apology” in the Cairo statement, as well as significant differences between that statement and earlier ones. One could criticize the Cairo statement for lacking a meticulous defense of freedom of speech. But that is not the same thing as an apology — especially since the embassy clearly issued the statement long before the protests began.

This all started because some people got the timeline wrong. In the fog of war and protest, it often helps to get the facts straight before you act — or speak.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/an-embassy-statement-a-tweet-and-a-major-misunderstanding/2012/09/12/a2d32a8c-fd24-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_blog.html

Nah - shoot first then aim

MACH1
09-14-2012, 04:37 PM
So Obama knew - LIHOP ( Let it happen on purpose)?

Where's the truthers now?

We all know fund raising in Vegas, polishing Reids knob is of vastly more importance and hobnobbing with Leno and Letterman out weigh everything.

I'll bet you dollar to doughnuts they had a live feed to watch it all go down too. But nooo Vegas is more important.

MACH1
09-14-2012, 04:40 PM
If only W was still in charge the "apology" would never have been issued:mad:

Ooops - maybe "apologies" have been issued before the Kenyan Islamist Socialist became President

It is clear now that much of the misunderstanding surrounding the statement by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo stems from the fact that some commentators thought it had been issued after protesters stormed the embassy compound. Instead, the embassy had released it hours before the protests began, in an apparent effort to cool down emotions over a film that defamed the prophet Muhammad. ...

In context, the embassy statement appears similar to previous statements issued by embassies or spokesmen for the U.S. government in response to provocative actions that might inflame Muslims. The practice dates back at least to the appointment of Karen Hughes as undersecretary of state for public affairs in the second presidential term of George W. Bush. ...

In context, the embassy statement appears similar to previous statements issued by embassies or spokesmen for the U.S. government in response to provocative actions that might inflame Muslims. The practice dates back at least to the appointment of Karen Hughes as undersecretary of state for public affairs in the second presidential term of George W. Bush.

The Bush administration had been stunned by the violent anti-American protests in 2005 that erupted after Newsweek erroneously reported that U.S. interrogators had tried to rattle an al-Qaeda suspect by flushing a Koran down a toilet. Hughes pushed for a much more proactive communications effort, in an effort to get ahead of such reports.

Following is the full Cairo embassy statement, followed by two other examples that we found of similar statements. These statements follow a similar pattern, which we will highlight in the text:

1. Condemn the potential offending action.

2. Emphasize that the United States believes in religious freedom and religious tolerance — as well as freedom of expression or freedom of speech.

3. Make a reference to American democracy, or at least the U.S. Constitution.

Of the examples we found, the 2012 Cairo embassy statement is perhaps the weakest, though perhaps that is because it is shortest. It refers to “abuse” of the “universal right of free speech” without emphasizing that Americans have an absolute right to freedom of speech — no matter how distasteful.

The longest and most thorough statement is by the State Department spokesman in 2006. But a statement made at the daily briefing carries the full weight of the U.S. government, whereas the embassy statement is just that — a statement by the embassy, drafted in house, with little or no coordination with Washington (let alone senior State Department officials who are political appointees of the current administration).

Indeed, an interesting inside account published by Foreign Policy magazine says the statement and tweets were the work of communications staffer Larry Schwartz. The article says he cleared the statement with only one person at the embassy — not the ambassador, who was in Washington — and he posted it even though Washington, once it got wind of it, told him not to post it without changes. When The Fact Checker was diplomatic correspondent for The Washington Post, he knew and respected Schwartz as a blunt professional who was not afraid of ruffling a few feathers every so often.

Without the tragic events of this week, the Cairo statement likely would have passed unnoticed — along with the other embassy statements on Facebook contests, the ambassador’s visits to polling stations and so forth.


U.S. Embassy, Cairo, 2012:


U.S. Embassy Condemns Religious Incitement

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims — as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

— September 11, 2012 ...


State Department spokesman, 2006


Daily press briefing,

QUESTION: Yes? Can you say anything about a U.S. response or a U.S. reaction to this uproar in Europe over the Prophet Muhammad pictures? Do you have any reaction to it? Are you concerned that the violence is going to spread and make everything just —

MR. MCCORMACK: I haven't seen any — first of all, this is matter of fact. I haven't seen it. I have seen a lot of protests. I've seen a great deal of distress expressed by Muslims across the globe. The Muslims around the world have expressed the fact that they are outraged and that they take great offense at the images that were printed in the Danish newspaper, as well as in other newspapers around the world.

Our response is to say that while we certainly don't agree with, support, or in some cases, we condemn the views that are aired in public that are published in media organizations around the world, we, at the same time, defend the right of those individuals to express their views. For us, freedom of expression is at the core of our democracy and it is something that we have shed blood and treasure around the world to defend and we will continue to do so. That said, there are other aspects to democracy, our democracy — democracies around the world — and that is to promote understanding, to promote respect for minority rights, to try to appreciate the differences that may exist among us.

We believe, for example in our country, that people from different religious backgrounds, ethnic backgrounds, national backgrounds add to our strength as a country. And it is important to recognize and appreciate those differences. And it is also important to protect the rights of individuals and the media to express a point of view concerning various subjects. So while we share the offense that Muslims have taken at these images, we at the same time vigorously defend the right of individuals to express points of view. We may not agree with those points of view, we may condemn those points of view but we respect and emphasize the importance that those individuals have the right to express those points of view.

For example — and on the particular cartoon that was published — I know the Prime Minister of Denmark has talked about his, I know that the newspaper that originally printed it has apologized, so they have addressed this particular issue. So we would urge all parties to exercise the maximum degree of understanding, the maximum degree of tolerance when they talk about this issue. And we would urge dialogue, not violence. And that also those that might take offense at these images that have been published, when they see similar views or images that could be perceived as anti-Semitic or anti-Catholic, that they speak out with equal vigor against those images.

— Feb. 3. 2006

The Bottom Line

We have looked in vain for an “apology” in the Cairo statement, as well as significant differences between that statement and earlier ones. One could criticize the Cairo statement for lacking a meticulous defense of freedom of speech. But that is not the same thing as an apology — especially since the embassy clearly issued the statement long before the protests began.

This all started because some people got the timeline wrong. In the fog of war and protest, it often helps to get the facts straight before you act — or speak.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/an-embassy-statement-a-tweet-and-a-major-misunderstanding/2012/09/12/a2d32a8c-fd24-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_blog.html

Nah - shoot first then aim

And it's back to bu, bu, bu bush.

We wouldn't want a president that acted stupidly would we.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A2uGZ9-CIAA9TTZ.jpg

Atlanta Dan
09-14-2012, 05:32 PM
And it's back to bu, bu, bu bush.

We wouldn't want a president that acted stupidly would we.

If Obama is accountable for some tweet that went out of the embassy in Cairo before the freaking attacks occurred then it is helpful to check on whether those sorts of statements have occurred before

This campaign talking point about "apologies" is part of the same nonsense that pretends deficits, expansion of health care and attempting to respond to insults to Muslims never occurred prior to January 20, 2009, when the White House was under prior management


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A2uGZ9-CIAA9TTZ.jpg

As far as the Gipper goes, I voted for him but bombing Libya wasn't the only thing that occurred in the Middle East on his watch

25 years later, bombing in Beirut still resonates

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-10-15-beirut-barracks_N.htm

If that happened on Obama's watch Paul Ryan would be introducing articles of impeachment

My point is that sh*t constantly happens to the U.S. in the Middle East and not just when the Democrats occupy the White House

tony hipchest
09-14-2012, 06:09 PM
We have looked in vain for an “apology” in the Cairo statement, as well as significant differences between that statement and earlier ones. One could criticize the Cairo statement for lacking a meticulous defense of freedom of speech. But that is not the same thing as an apology — especially since the embassy clearly issued the statement long before the protests began.

This all started because some people got the timeline wrong. In the fog of war and protest, it often helps to get the facts straight before you act — or speak. [/I]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/an-embassy-statement-a-tweet-and-a-major-misunderstanding/2012/09/12/a2d32a8c-fd24-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_blog.html

Nah - shoot first then aim

cmon dan, you dont wanna ruin a perfectly good GOP circle jerk with facts now do you?

And it's back to bu, bu, bu bush.

We wouldn't want a president that acted stupidly would we.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A2uGZ9-CIAA9TTZ.jpgis it also obamas fault that regan was a horrible actor?

so ronald bombed a terrorist's house and missed the target and is applauded by the GOP. clinton bombed a terrorists house and missed and is demonized by the same people?

makes sense to me. :screwy:

both said terrorists were eradicated during obamas watch. moral of the story is not to send in a bush to clean up and do the dirty work (unless its nut hugging the saudi arabs).

PATS16N0
09-14-2012, 07:04 PM
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MACH1
09-14-2012, 07:22 PM
So Bush used drones to take out terrrorists and was deemed a war criminal and obama uses them the same and he is somehow labeled a hero, peace prize winner?
The hypocrisy boggles the mind.

Lets make more excuses for obama. :coffee:

America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

The newspaper, The Independent, plastered its cover with the headline, “Revealed: inside story of US envoy’s assassination,” and reported inside: “The killings of the US ambassador to Libya and three of his staff were likely to have been the result of a serious and continuing security breach … American officials believe the attack was planned."

The article continued: "According to senior diplomatic sources, the U.S. State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and ‘lockdown’, under which movement is severely restricted."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81198.html#ixzz26ULFv3bP


You would think when something like this happens he could take just one day off from panhandling to do his job.

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pres-obama-not-my-fault.jpg

Atlanta Dan
09-14-2012, 07:25 PM
Hillary's turn...

Clinton calls anti-Islam video 'disgusting'

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is sharpening her criticism of an anti-Islam video that provoked protests in the Arab world.

Clinton says the film is "disgusting and reprehensible." She calls it a cynical attempt to offend people for their religious beliefs.

Romney's turn

How about the film that seems to have sparked all this, the Innocence of Muslims film? Secretary Clinton today said she thought it was disgusting. How would you describe it?

MITT ROMNEY: Well, I haven’t seen the film. I don’t intend to see it. I you know, I think it’s dispiriting sometimes to see some of the awful things people say. And the idea of using something that some people consider sacred and then parading that out a negative way is simply inappropriate and wrong. And I wish people wouldn’t do it. Of course, we have a First Amendment. And under the First Amendment, people are allowed to do what they feel they want to do. They have the right to do that, but it’s not right to do things that are of the nature of what was done by, apparently this film....

I think the whole film is a terrible idea. I think him making it, promoting it showing it is disrespectful to people of other faiths. I don’t think that should happen. I think people should have the common courtesy and judgment– the good judgment– not to be– not to offend other peoples’ faiths. It’s a very bad thing, I think, this guy’s doing

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/full-transcript-george-stephanopoulos-and-mitt-romney/

Why does Mitt love Islam? :mad:

MACH1
09-14-2012, 08:01 PM
Bu, bu, bu romney. :chuckle:

ricardisimo
09-14-2012, 08:03 PM
So Bush used drones to take out terrrorists and was deemed a war criminal and obama uses them the same and he is somehow labeled a hero, peace prize winner?
The hypocrisy boggles the mind.

Lets make more excuses for obama. :coffee:

The hypocrisy has not gone unnoticed. I imagine that no Democrat will ever again complain about Henry Kissinger's Nobel Prize... at least not with a straight face. Monster though he most certainly was, at least Henry got his for actually ending a war.

Atlanta Dan
09-14-2012, 08:50 PM
So Bush used drones to take out terrrorists and was deemed a war criminal and obama uses them the same and he is somehow labeled a hero, peace prize winner?

I recall W got the war criminal tag for the "enhanced interrogations" rather than the drones - I think the torture actually has ceased but I do not have the security clearance to verify that guess :noidea:

As far as Obama getting into remote control murders, I recall he developed a taste for drones after he won the Nobel Peace Prize for not being W - since I believe you cannot repeat as Nobel Peace Prize champ maybe he figured since that was off his bucket list he did not have to worry about droning hurting his chances to win that prize

And I think he got the "hero" tag by some for happening to be POTUS when Osama was killed, something that his predecessor botched and then claimed did not matter

tony hipchest
09-14-2012, 09:26 PM
So Bush used drones to take out terrrorists and was deemed a war criminal and obama uses them the same and he is somehow labeled a hero, peace prize winner?
The hypocrisy boggles the mind.

Lets make more excuses for obama. :coffee:



You would think when something like this happens he could take just one day off from panhandling to do his job.

America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'



youre not really suggesting that these libyan embassy attacks are on the same scale as 9-11 are you?

before GW took office in jan '01 clinton basically handed GW indisputable proof that osama bin laden was an imminent threat along with his head on a platter.

GW did nothing with the intelligence (not the first OR last time with that bozo).

MACH1
09-15-2012, 03:32 AM
Uh no but you can blame bush all you want. As far as clinton, how many times could he have taken out obl and chose not to.

Funny how everything comes down to being bush's fault.

What happens in vegas stays in vegas. :stirthepot:

Wallace108
09-15-2012, 04:32 AM
In my opinion, there's plenty of blame to go around. It's time to pull out of the Middle East and end all aid.

I'm certainly not one of those who blames America for what happened on 9/11, but our policies on the Middle East aren't working. I used to argue with Ric about this, but I'm beginning to see things his way. Since 9/11, we've invaded two countries, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including women and children, and have spent trillions of dollars in an effort to make us safer. How has that worked out for us?

How many more countries do we have to invade? How many more hundreds of thousands of innocent people do we have to kill? How many more billions (or trillions) of dollars do we have to spend? How many more of our own soldiers do we have to lose? All to be at the same place we started off at ... if not a worse place.

Fire Haley
09-15-2012, 05:28 AM
OBAMA'S FOREIGN POLICY NOW IN FLAMES

A U.S. ambassador is dead, and over 30 U.S. embassies across the globe are under violent attack as a direct result of President Obama’s attempted appeasement of radical Islam. How many more Americans will die before that policy can be reversed and Obama removed from office?

Keep in mind that by international treaty and tradition, every embassy in a foreign nation is considered the sovereign soil of that nation. Climbing a wall and invading an embassy compound is the same as invading that country.

The horrific events of Sept. 11, 2012, in Egypt and Benghazi were a logical and predictable result of appeasement policies that began with Obama’s 2009 speech in Cairo apologizing for America’s past insensitivities to the hopes and beliefs of the Muslim faith.

Obama chose last Tuesday, the 11th anniversary of the 2001 murder of over 3,000 Americans by a team of radical Islamists, to send a formal message to the world: “The U.S. will never be at war with Islam.”

At that moment a crowd of over 2,000 Islamists were attacking the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, breaching its wall and burning the American flag

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/obamas-foreign-policy-now-in-flames/

Vincent
09-15-2012, 11:17 AM
Uh no but you can blame bush all you want. As far as clinton, how many times could he have taken out obl and chose not to.

Funny how everything comes down to being bush's fault.

If, by some cosmic anomaly, the post turtle is reelected, who is he going to blame the unholy mess "he inherited" on this time?

http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/obama-blame-bush.jpg

ricardisimo
09-15-2012, 12:46 PM
If, by some cosmic anomaly, the post turtle is reelected, who is he going to blame the unholy mess "he inherited" on this time?

http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/obama-blame-bush.jpg

Obama's reelection, sadly, is as certain as the sun rising in the morning. Incumbency - along with massive corporate support - trumps all else. It helps that he's also a violent sociopath, since that seems to be de rigueur. May I ask what leads you to believe he will lose?

Atlanta Dan
09-15-2012, 01:17 PM
May I ask what leads you to believe he will lose?

For a lot of reasons I cannot pretend to know what Vincent believes - but here is as a fun fact

Only one U.S. president has been re-elected since World War II with a jobless rate above 6 percent. Ronald Reagan won a second term with the rate on Election Day 1984 at 7.2 percent, having dropped almost 3 percentage points in the previous 18 months.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-09/obama-re-election-odds-may-rise-as-unemployment-falls.html#p2

Vincent
09-15-2012, 01:22 PM
May I ask what leads you to believe he will lose?

30 million+ of my countrymen who slumbered in November of 08 are now irritated with the events of the last 4 years. Concurrently, a smaller, but significant number of numbskulls that did show up in 08 are now disillusioned by the events of the last 4 years.

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/_k5pee6ta0etxtid6buo5w.gif

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/yguwfvhgfuin8q32r3zzfa.gif

Things are not trending well for the current "violent sociopath".

MACH1
09-15-2012, 01:41 PM
Not if Soros gets his way.

GEORGE SOROS WILL CONTROL YOUR VOTES IN THE UP COMING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

http://itmakessenseblog.com/2012/04/10/george-soros-will-control-your-votes-in-the-up-coming-presidential-election/

Scary shit if true and I don't care what side of the isle your on.

MasterOfPuppets
09-15-2012, 01:52 PM
In my opinion, there's plenty of blame to go around. It's time to pull out of the Middle East and end all aid.

I'm certainly not one of those who blames America for what happened on 9/11, but our policies on the Middle East aren't working. I used to argue with Ric about this, but I'm beginning to see things his way. Since 9/11, we've invaded two countries, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including women and children, and have spent trillions of dollars in an effort to make us safer. How has that worked out for us?

.
they may not be working for us common tax paying schmucks ,but they're certainly working for others. somewhere in this country corporate CEO's are going CHAAACHING !!! everytime a bullet or missile is fired. companies like lockheed, raython, haliburton, blackwater , have probably increased their stock value by 500%
then there's the new oil contracts. companies that didn't have oil contracts before have them now.
as i've said all along , look at who is profiting from events and you'll get a better picture of US foreign policies.
does anyone really believe the dick cheney / haliburton connection is just a coincidence? or how about the rice / chevron connection ?

Condi Rice, the man with the plan, worked for Chevron right up till Jan. 15th 2001, 5 days before she went to work for President Bush in his cabinet. But she was already working for him heading up what she called “The Vulcans”… that was Bush’s foreign policy advisory team which consisted of many war-mongering neoconservatives. As it just so happens, Chevron ended up buying Unocal, and therefore their interests in the Afghanistan pipeline.

So, the woman who had the war plans for the invasion of Afghanistan 2 days prior to 9/11, just happened to work for the company that got part of that contract to build the pipeline that was the basis for the “carpet of bombs” threat leveled at the Taliban. Not only that, but Chevron even named a tanker after her.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/12/26/just-a-reminder-condi-rice-formerly-of-chevron-had-afghanistan-invasion-plans-finalized-2-days-before-911/

PATS16N0
09-15-2012, 03:58 PM
In my opinion, there's plenty of blame to go around. It's time to pull out of the Middle East and end all aid.

I'm certainly not one of those who blames America for what happened on 9/11, but our policies on the Middle East aren't working. I used to argue with Ric about this, but I'm beginning to see things his way. Since 9/11, we've invaded two countries, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including women and children, and have spent trillions of dollars in an effort to make us safer. How has that worked out for us?

How many more countries do we have to invade? How many more hundreds of thousands of innocent people do we have to kill? How many more billions (or trillions) of dollars do we have to spend? How many more of our own soldiers do we have to lose? All to be at the same place we started off at ... if not a worse place.

This.

I find it hard to believe that still, after everything that has happened in the last ten years, that party partisanship prevails among the American people when it was made so clear to even the most casual of political observers in the 21st century that BOTH political parties are wildly corrupt, increasingly unhinged, arrogant, power hungry, and uninterested in the American people or what was once the American way of life.

The Republicans pass the Patriot act (which at least had judicial oversight, though I was still against it), and Democrats cry foul and complain about a loss of liberty and accuse Bush of being a tyrant.

The Democrats come to power, strengthen the Patriot act, set the precedent for a President to assassinate American citizens without a trial, and, with the help of "small government Republicans," pass the NDAA, shredding the 4th amendment and effectively giving the government the power of a vicious and very complete police state, yet the same Democrats don't say a single word in protest.

Neither do Republicans.

One party (D) are collectivist/corporatists who believe in a welfare/warfare state and the other party (R) are corporatists/collectivists who believe in a warfare/welfare state. Neither care about you. Neither care about freedom. Neither care about the Middle class. Nobody cares about the poor.

Our foreign policy is just awful. There is no reason any of us should be supporting our foreign policy in the Middle East of bribery, bombings, and "preventive" wars of aggression. How many more nations who have done nothing to us can we invade while still believing we hold some morale high ground over some of the most aggressive expansionists in world history?

THERE IS NOT A SINGLE NATION ON EARTH that the quest for Empire did not ultimately destroy, and many of these nations that came and went before us were much more clever than we are. It is bankrupting us, it makes us less safe, and it does not serve our national security interests one bit.

We can not prop up repressive regimes or invade other foreign nations and kill hundreds of thousands of people and not expect there to be what the CIA calls "Blowback"

What is going on in the Middle East is not just some isolated event that came out of nowhere. This is a link in a chain of a great many events and this chain will continue with more terrorist attacks, more Americans being killed, more destructive military spending which is drowning our economy, more wars, more death, more destruction, more costly Empire, and the COMPLETE loss of our liberty in the name of security which BOTH parties seem eagerly anxious to provide.

It's time to bring the troops home. It's time to close these bases all around the world. It's time to open the door to trade and friendship with other nations. This leads to prosperity, peace, and freedom which, in my opinion, is preferable to bankruptcy, endless wars of aggression, and the complete loss of freedom.

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MasterOfPuppets
09-15-2012, 04:13 PM
:doh: thats not part of the plan patriot...

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ricardisimo
09-17-2012, 03:13 AM
There's a long list of candidates who oppose this, Ron Paul just happens to be the only one from either major party. I'm also starting to think that abstaining from voting is perfectly legitimate. I used to be very judgmental about it, but refusing to have anything to do with a diseased, corrupt system is healthy, not harmful.

MasterOfPuppets
09-17-2012, 03:16 PM
:stupid:

although i'd never lump paul in with either of those cabal's. the guy's consistent voting record and no nonsense opinions on the issues proves he's thinks more like the average joe than one of those sell out empty suits.
but alas, the naive population will continue to get what we deserve for blindly swallowing every lie and scam these scumbags throw our way.


TAMPA, September 6, 2012 — There was no big announcement during Ron Paul’s appearance on Jay Leno Tuesday night. On the contrary, Paul’s appearance was somewhat anticlimactic given Mitt Romney’s nomination at the Republican National Convention last week. Of course, he still said what he has been saying for over thirty years in public life: America must stop spending money it doesn’t have, must liquidate its debts and rethink the role of government as cradle-to-grave caregiver and policeman of the world.

Ron Paul has said many memorable things during his two most recent campaigns for president. A debate moderator tried to put him on the spot regarding his position on leaving Iraq, asking contemptuously, “What is your plan to get U.S. troops out of Iraq?” Paul replied without hesitation, “We marched right in there without a plan, we can march right out.”

When asked about Newt Gingrich’s suggestion that the U.S. government explore colonizing the moon, Paul replied, “No, I don’t want to go to the moon, although I’d like to send some politicians up there.”

A few days ago, I posed a question at the end of my story on the Maine delegation fiasco. What were they really so afraid of?

It wasn’t what Ron Paul said that had them so scared. It was what he didn’t say.

At the RNC, it was what he wasn’t allowed to say. It is hard not to conclude that the entire war to unseat Paul’s delegates was waged to silence him. There was almost no chance for Paul to win. He came into the convention with eight states. In order to win, he would have had to persuade almost a thousand of Romney’s delegates to change their minds.

But had all of Paul’s delegates been seated, he would have had a chance to try. He would have been entitled to a 15-minute speech for that very purpose. Whether he would have persuaded a single Romney delegate is not important. What is important is that millions of television viewers would have heard that speech, a large percentage of whom have still probably never heard of Ron Paul.

Think for a moment what a problem that would have been for the Romney/RNC cabal. While Romney/Ryan tried to pass themselves off as champions of small government even as they propose to spend more during their first year in office than Obama is spending now, Ron Paul would have talked about his budget that would have cut $1 trillion during his first year in office.

While Paul Ryan was attacking President Obama for cutting Medicare, Ron Paul would present his plan to phase out both Social Security and Medicare while still maintaining benefits for those who paid into the programs.

While Romney beat the war drums against Iran, Ron Paul would talk not only about getting U.S. troops out of the Middle East, but getting out of Germany, Japan, Korea and 100 other countries as well. That may not have played well with the aging neoconservatives, but millions of people watching on television would have heard a completely different Republican platform.

In short, a Ron Paul speech at the RNC would have been about really doing what Republicans claim they stand for but never actually do: reduce the size and influence of the federal government. And it would have appealed not only to Republicans, but Democrats and independents as well, just as Paul’s campaign had during primary season.

This could not be allowed to happen. He could not be allowed to speak.

Instead, Ryan, Romney and others made some exhilarating speeches about free markets, smaller government and restoring America’s founding principles, while every detail of their plans completely contradicts those principles.

A friend texted me during Romney’s speech. “Is it exciting?” she asked?

“As exciting as watching tens of thousands of people who have no grip on reality can be,” I replied.

Now, we head into another general election season with two candidates who really don’t disagree on anything of substance. We’ll hear that Romney didn’t pay enough taxes and that Obama didn’t drop enough bombs.

And whoever wins will propose the first $4 trillion federal budget in U.S. history.

Couldn’t we have at least been allowed to hear something different?

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