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Steelersfan87
09-18-2012, 12:54 AM
Ben Roethlisberger on third down through week 2. Discuss.

tony hipchest
09-18-2012, 01:00 AM
yesterday someone on this board said that the steelers typically suck on third and long (or something to that effect). :doh:

big ben has built a possible hall of fame career on it.

this morning on sirius radio, ross tucker was saying that ben is the best 3rd down qb he has ever witnessed (he played a pretty lengthy career and now has built a decent career in broadcasting, writing, and being an analyst). bob pappa pretty much agreed.

10 YPA is a historical number.

GoFor7
09-18-2012, 01:02 AM
No doubt he's been pretty clutch in 3rd down situations. That final drive against the Jets may have been capped off by a running score, but without Ben they end up having to put the defense back on the field long before that. I think he's being put into some 3rd & long situations a little too often.

Hawaii 5-0
09-18-2012, 02:40 AM
September 17, 2012

By Ray Fittipaldo / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Jets lament third down

The Jets had two reasons for their loss. They couldn't get off the field on third down, and they couldn't convert a third down when they needed.

"We couldn't get them off the field and ... we couldn't stay on it," Jets coach Rex Ryan said. "When Ben Roethlisberger extends plays like he does that makes it tough. We couldn't bring him down. Every time you play Ben you appreciate him more and more."

The Steelers converted 8 of 15 third-down plays, and the Jets were just 4 of 12. But it was one particular play in the third quarter that was the backbreaker for the Jets.

With a third and 16 at the Jets 37, Roethlisberger scrambled away from pressure and threw a deep, jump-ball, pass to Wallace, who was closely covered along the right boundary. Wallace jumped, caught the pass in the end zone and just got both feet in bounds for the score.

"That third and 16 killed us," Ryan said. "And Wallace does a great job of getting his feet in bounds on that play."

Safety LaRon Landry, who was flagged for two personal foul penalties in the game, echoed his head coach.
"We just didn't execute on third down," he said. "We have to get off the field."

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-notebook-running-game-remains-just-a-bit-out-of-step-653725/#ixzz26nCR8Bid

QCbeauBlak
09-18-2012, 02:53 AM
Good Lord Tomlin was fired up!!! hahaha. Seeing that clip when watching the game, I went crazy. Yeah he may be a players coach, but lets be real for a moment. Despite the win, the O-line still was not spectacular. But when your HEAD coach pumps you up like this, it HAS to give you that extra drive to prove something on the field. As the game went on, that proved to be true.

DoctorCAD
09-18-2012, 08:37 AM
Ben's historical 3rd and long was not very good.

That is one area that needed to improve, and so far, it seems to be a trend in the right direction.

Lets hope the trend continues.

Vis
09-18-2012, 08:59 AM
Ben Roethlisberger on third down through week 2. Discuss.


Too many 3rd downs. We need more yards on 1st down.

TheDude
09-18-2012, 09:55 AM
Ben's historical 3rd and long was not very good.

That is one area that needed to improve, and so far, it seems to be a trend in the right direction.

Lets hope the trend continues.

Ben's 3rd down numbers have been impressive throughout his career...its just that he does it in such an unconventional manor.

Most QBs that excel on 3rd down do it through reading & recognizing defenses...Ben does it through brute strength and accuracy on the move.

The only time Ben concerns me on 3rd down is when the defense only rushes 3 and drops 8. Ben's gunslinger mentality has gotten him into trouble in these situations, but historically speaking, Ben is a VERY effective 3rd down cube.

StainlessStill
09-18-2012, 01:27 PM
INSANE.

Ben is a manimal.

Steelers>NFL
09-18-2012, 01:53 PM
Good Lord Tomlin was fired up!!! hahaha. Seeing that clip when watching the game, I went crazy. Yeah he may be a players coach, but lets be real for a moment. Despite the win, the O-line still was not spectacular. But when your HEAD coach pumps you up like this, it HAS to give you that extra drive to prove something on the field. As the game went on, that proved to be true.

Cowher was GREAT at pumping up his players.

Bayz101
09-18-2012, 02:00 PM
Cowher was GREAT at pumping up his players.

http://www.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2006/12/spitshield.jpg

tony hipchest
09-18-2012, 02:05 PM
Ben's historical 3rd and long was not very good.

That is one area that needed to improve, and so far, it seems to be a trend in the right direction.

Lets hope the trend continues.

you have a very strange and misguided opinion. what do you base it upon? historically ben has been one of the best in the league. this isnt opinion... this is FACT.



On third downs for his career, Roethlisberger has a 61.6% completion rate and a 90.9 passer rating. Dating back to 2004, his rookie season, 47% of his third down passes have resulted in either first downs or touchdowns. That ranks him third overall when stacked against quarterbacks that have attempted 500 or more third down passes dating back to 2004. The two ahead of him are Manning (50%) and New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees (49%).


using same 500 PA criteria, ben is third in passing yardage on 3rd down behind brees and eli manning.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/09/third-down-ben-is-at-it-again-to-start-2012-season/

MACH1
09-18-2012, 02:24 PM
Haters gonna hate.

DoctorCAD
09-18-2012, 02:34 PM
you have a very strange and misguided opinion. what do you base it upon? historically ben has been one of the best in the league. this isnt opinion... this is FACT.



On third downs for his career, Roethlisberger has a 61.6% completion rate and a 90.9 passer rating. Dating back to 2004, his rookie season, 47% of his third down passes have resulted in either first downs or touchdowns. That ranks him third overall when stacked against quarterbacks that have attempted 500 or more third down passes dating back to 2004. The two ahead of him are Manning (50%) and New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees (49%).


using same 500 PA criteria, ben is third in passing yardage on 3rd down behind brees and eli manning.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/09/third-down-ben-is-at-it-again-to-start-2012-season/

Sorry, I didn't mean Ben, i meant the Steelers in general. How many times can you recall a 3rd and 8 with a bubble screen for 5, or a run directly into the center of an impenetrable line for 1. Far too many. Lets let Ben make the decision to make the 1st. That's what is different, and that is the trend I like to see continue.

Fire Arians
09-18-2012, 03:07 PM
he's an elite qb, that's what they do

GoFor7
09-18-2012, 05:25 PM
The Patriots could have used Ben on 3rd down on sunday against Steelers West.

harrison'samonster
09-18-2012, 05:54 PM
Too many 3rd downs. We need more yards on 1st down.

that's a very good point. Seems to me that 1st downs would be a good chance to get Miller in the game more.

As for how BR does on third downs, he just about gives me a heart attack each 3rd down, it can be a real joy to watch him play!

Fire Arians
09-18-2012, 06:08 PM
The Patriots could have used Ben on 3rd down on sunday against Steelers West.

or aaron hernandez. him getting hurt was a huge blow, him and gronk are the centerpieces of that patriots* offense

Edman
09-18-2012, 08:52 PM
There's nothing wrong with Third Down. It's Third and Longs we want to avoid.

Steelersfan87
09-18-2012, 08:55 PM
Too many 3rd downs. We need more yards on 1st down.

Unfortunately, you're very right on this point. They can't keep relying on Ben to bail them out on third down. They need to get the ground game churning on first and second down and stay ahead of the chains.

zcoop
09-18-2012, 09:10 PM
I don't mind 3rd downs as long as we convert most of them and 20 of 26 ain't too damn shabby.