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MasterOfPuppets
09-18-2012, 11:26 AM
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/09/third-down-ben-is-at-it-again-to-start-2012-season/

StainlessStill
09-18-2012, 12:26 PM
I've brought this up numerous times. Ben on 3rd down sure is a savior. Dude is on the money this year. First 2 weeks, he can't miss. We've been losing the 1st down battle (atleast in week 1) and our team was in very tough and non-manageable 2nd and longs and 3rd and longs. Ben continues to wow with his ability to be able to go for it and put his money where his mouth is.

Dalarin
09-18-2012, 01:52 PM
All without receivers who know how to get YAC too

Ricco Suavez
09-18-2012, 06:33 PM
Ssshhh!!! Don't let the haters know, he has been riding a great defense for his entire career.

tony hipchest
09-18-2012, 06:51 PM
Ssshhh!!! Don't let the haters know, he has been riding a great defense for his entire career.

hehe... the same defense that has the worst secondary in the league? with hands of stone taylor not capable of being astarter on any other team? with gildong sack woodley, that bust of a first round pick timmons, 1st round DE's hood and heyward who dont fit the system? fat and lazy hampton? keisel who was too small and untalented to replace von oelhoffen? injury prone, concussion waiting to happen polamalu (who cant cover)? ryan clark who can cover even less? william gay whos last name reminds people of homo's and brings them ridicule from their peers? foote who has been overrated for years and nothing but a liability? farrior who lost it 3 years ago?

maybe ben rode his offense. :scratchchin: plex and holmes who were hated. willie who ran for negative yardage, the o-line that sucked and was the worst in history.... :blah:

i think the only player that ben has ever played with that is universally liked is heath miller.

maybe hines and bettis.

harrison'samonster
09-18-2012, 06:55 PM
Heath Miller can't even get himself into the game-plan. I hate that bastard!

Ricco Suavez
09-18-2012, 07:38 PM
Heath Miller can't even get himself into the game-plan. I hate that bastard!

DAMN! Tough Crowd!

Bayz101
09-18-2012, 07:41 PM
DAMN! Tough Crowd!

I honestly hope to god he was being sarcastic. Heath Miller wasn't utilized under Arians, but he's been used GREAT so far under Haley.

tony hipchest
09-18-2012, 07:53 PM
lol... he was being sarcastic

harrison'samonster
09-18-2012, 07:57 PM
oh yeah, definitely being sarcastic. The only player who's been around with the Steelers offense who I didn't want to see out there (other than linemen) was Fast Willie.

I absolutely loved the guy, and thought that his work ethic and attitude were great. However I just kind of cringed every time I saw him running the ball. Sorry to say really, because he seemed like such a great person.

rich4eagle
09-19-2012, 05:25 PM
I've brought this up numerous times. Ben on 3rd down sure is a savior. Dude is on the money this year. First 2 weeks, he can't miss. We've been losing the 1st down battle (atleast in week 1) and our team was in very tough and non-manageable 2nd and longs and 3rd and longs. Ben continues to wow with his ability to be able to go for it and put his money where his mouth is.

e is what he is, big time winner, even in college:tt04::tt03::thumbsup:

Hawaii 5-0
09-20-2012, 01:51 AM
Steelers Roethlisberger Best 3rd Down QB In NFL So Far In 2012

Sep 18th, 2012 by CraigSteelers

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/58/files/2012/09/6587030.jpg?69fa8c

Remember last season when it seemed like the Steelers were pretty terrible on 3rd down? I remember a Bruce Arians’ offense running plays that never really put receivers ‘beyond the sticks’ or running Mendenhall straight up the gut for no gain on a short 3rd down. Well so far in 2012, the Steelers are very good on 3rd down. In fact, Ben Roethlisberger has the best passer rating in the league when it comes to 3rd down. And, it’s not likely to change any time in the near future.

The Steelers are a whopping 19 of 34 (56%) on 3rd downs this season. Ben Roethlisberger has been lethal on 3rd downs – he is 19-for-25 (76 percent) for 251 yards and three touchdowns. That’s a rating of 146.8. Now I’ve never been a fan of ‘passer rating’ figures, but the proof is in the pudding as it were. Did any of you notice that all of the Steelers successful 3rd down conversions have come from Big Ben passing the ball? Why is it that Ben is so successful on 3rd down early on this season?

First, let me throw out there (pun intended? You be the judge) that the majority of the Steelers’ 3rd downs have been over 5 yards. Ineffective running on second down has left the team in long third down situations – which makes Ben’s efficiency on 3rd down that much more impressive.

The Crisco Kid: Roethlisberger has slipped his way out of more would be sacks than a skinny kid slicked up with Crisco. Leg grabs, jersey pulls, shoulder grabs – Ben has slipped through many of them and scrambled out of the pocket. It’s almost as if somehow he has stepped up this part of his game if you can even think that possible. With his Spidey Senses tingling, Ben scrambles out of the pocket on third down and extends the play. Even though the Steelers line is struggling, they’ve only given up four sacks in two games. Now that may seem like a lot, but not for the Steelers. Less sacks = a better chance at converting 3rd down.

Great vision and fast receivers: It’s one thing to be able to escape the pass rush and run for your life the sidelines. But, to be able to find an open receiver after having emerged from a 3,000lb. wall collapsing around you is harder than it looks. Ben is able to find an open black and gold jersey and hit him for a first down. It also helps to have guys like Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders as your receivers. Their speed makes it difficult for the secondary to keep up with them once the pocket begins to break down. It also gives more room for Heath Miller, who’s been a favorite of Ben so far this season.

Haley’s play calling: You may be able to scramble and you might have good vision, but if your offensive coordinator doesn’t call plays that at least gets players beyond the first down marker then you’ll have as much a chance of converting third down than hillbillies have as much chance of being called sons of the soil. Haley’s third downs are scripted to spread defenses and find holes in the zones. Not every play is a stroke of genius, but I think he’s using the KISS rule when it comes 3rd down play calling.

The high conversion rate for the Steelers in general aids their time of possession. The Steelers have out possessed the football 71:00 to 41:00. That’s a full half of football. Astounding in my opinion. That stat there keeps the other team’s defense on the field, thus tiring them out. Did you notice all the poor tackling going on near the end of the game by the Jets? Fatigue, folks. It also keeps our aged defense off the field and refreshed.

Now if only the offense can translate all these third downs and time of possession into points – I’ll hit that tomorrow.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/09/18/steelers-roethlisberger-best-3rd-down-qb-in-nfl-so-far-in-2012/

ETL
09-20-2012, 09:31 AM
This may be like following the stock market. When its up, everyone thinks its going to keep going up and when its down, the sky is falling.

Ben tries to extend plays. So far its worked well but the law of averages say that he will get sacked when you wanted him to throw the ball away and he may even fumble while trying to extend a play. If we lose because of those plays, Ben is now a doofus.

I accept him as who he is. I appreciate his ability to extend plays but overall I will be honest and tell you guys that I still wish he would throw it a bit sooner. Ill enjoy the ride for now though.

GoFor7
09-20-2012, 10:24 AM
This may be like following the stock market. When its up, everyone thinks its going to keep going up and when its down, the sky is falling.

Ben tries to extend plays. So far its worked well but the law of averages say that he will get sacked when you wanted him to throw the ball away and he may even fumble while trying to extend a play. If we lose because of those plays, Ben is now a doofus.

I accept him as who he is. I appreciate his ability to extend plays but overall I will be honest and tell you guys that I still wish he would throw it a bit sooner. Ill enjoy the ride for now though.

What if they stop with the run, run, pass play-calling and mix things up a bit more? Perhaps then he won't have to bail the offense out as much on 3rd downs.

The purpose of the new offense was to keep Ben safe. How is putting him in 3rd & long situations making it safer for him?