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Fire Arians
09-19-2012, 01:23 PM
Anyone liking this new offense? One of the biggest differences between last year is it seems that Haley is trying to get everyone involved in the offense, it's no longer just the Mike Wallace and AB show.

Tight ends and running backs are being used more in the passing game, which I like a lot. Receivers are all given a chance to shine, I like how Sanders has been getting a large share of reps. Running backs all the way down the depth chart to Batch have been getting a lot of playing time, gives me more confidence that someone's game ready to step up if we have any more injuries.

Chris Rainey looks a little tentative to me, but I'm sure with more real game experience, he will be a playmaker in this offense. It's good they're not trying to rush him in at the moment.

Commitment to the running game WILL pay off in the long run. The players don't have the offense totally down yet (as shown by a few wasted timeouts to get set), but as weeks go by and they get more familiar with the schemes, it will only get better. In the jets game it already paid off as the jets defense started to tire, they couldn't stop our running game.

Anyone think Sanders can have a big season? He's already a great route runner with a really good speed burst. He's getting his chance to shine, and IMO, it's just a matter of time before he has a few breakout games (granted he stays healthy).

DoctorCAD
09-19-2012, 02:01 PM
It's a little too soon to form a full opinion, but I like the direction this ship is heading.

Atlanta Dan
09-19-2012, 02:14 PM
Tomlin is ticked off that there still is no running game, but that last drive on Sunday might indicate that also is coming around

I like the quick passes, using Heath (who of course now gets injured) , and that Ben appears more willing to not try to save every play by running around for 15 seconds until either a receiver breaks open or Ben gets clobbered

One problem (which Ben said contributed to the pick six in Denver when he admitted he should have called a timeout) is that the preseason problem of getting the nexy play in on time continues

teegre
09-19-2012, 02:17 PM
I am going to cop out, and say "Too soon to tell."

Here is what I like:

Getting a bevy of receivers involved... including the RBs.

Heath. More heat. He had a great rookie season, and I'd like to see it eclipsed.

Running forward (as opposed to having to use reveresed and/or trick plays).

Well designed screens. (the execution is lacking)

Did I mention Heath?

The O-line is starting to gel.

Check downs by BB.

BB getting better in the red-zone (3 of 4 this past weekend)

Heath.

steelfury02
09-19-2012, 02:22 PM
immediate upgrade upon hiring

now after 2 games, I believe we are starting to see an offense that is truly "all hands on deck" and if they feel there is a play or a player they can use to their advantage, they are going to try it - i.e. Will Johnson - someone that might just continue to impress

- as the season goes on, ideally, their arsenal will grow and they can exploit the opposing D by either pass or run. Just by week 2 alone, Ben already looks more like a pocket passer, while still having the ability to be himself

As for those that are waiting to see Haley and Ben go at it - keep waiting - its not going to happen anytime soon, if at all IMHO. Don't underestimate Haley's new found passion in working for an organization that is closer to his heart than most think . . .I believe Pittsburgh and Haley together will equate to at least 1 more SB for Ben.

There are still a lot of games to be played, so I'll stop the love-fest there. If we keep seeing new ways for this O to help us win, I have no doubt we'll be there contending at the end this season. Can you imagine if they keep progressing at this pace? Phew.

Steel_Bus_24
09-19-2012, 02:36 PM
if we could get our Oline kicking some ass in the running game to where we don't have 3rd long every time, this Offense would be beastly

FanSince72
09-19-2012, 03:11 PM
It's a little too soon to form a full opinion, but I like the direction this ship is heading.

My thoughts exactly.

Let's see how the season goes first.

Edman
09-19-2012, 03:33 PM
Too Early to tell, but I really like what he has going. Some little issues, but that's to be expected. It's only been two games.

Buddha Bus
09-19-2012, 03:43 PM
As most have stated it's a little early yet, but I like the direction they are moving in. It seems to have finally sunk in with Ben that he needs to stay healthy and take what the D gives him sometimes (no doubt through having an OC with a functioning brain guiding him). He even throws it away now sometimes!

I like the short passing game and involvement of a variety of receivers. It's long overdue that Heath returns as a prominent piece of the passing game. I also like the use of the RBs in the passing game and the proper use of personnel on bubble screens that have been a bane to this team for a few years.

The commitment to the run game is nice to see too (even if it hasn't been working so great yet). You need to keep the defense honest and sooner or later it will pay off. Maybe when Mendy and DeCastro return we will see a difference.

mikegrimey
09-19-2012, 05:35 PM
1-1 with a "true" fullback, jury still deliberating.

pittpete
09-19-2012, 06:34 PM
I just wish someone could teach this team how to run a successful screen to a RB

StainlessStill
09-19-2012, 08:00 PM
My thoughts off the top of my head? Distinguishing. This offense has the potential to beat any type of defense in many ways. The running game lacks, but this entire landscape of an offense is still being learned. Honestly? I expected these LONG DRIVES OF POSSESSION (if there WERE going to be any) to start happening about mid-season. For these types of drives to be occurring in the first two games in a show-cased new offense, then that's mightily impressive to me. That means the players and coach's are on the same page and our offense is finally being utilized as weapons and not an X or O.

There's tons of things to improve on, like creating running lanes for our backs, OR for our backs to see and hit the hole. Ben looks outstanding and once we get this red-zone efficiency worked upon (TD's were 3/4 in the redzone VS Jets compared to just 2/4 at Denver) then the sky is endless. Truly endless.

We must get better on the road. I have no biffs at home with how any phase of our team plays, but on the road, we tend to cramp up. Go into Oakland, OWN and get accolades and confidence going into the BYE week.

Fire Arians
09-19-2012, 09:53 PM
I think our road success will improve if/when we establish some sort of ability to run the football. there's nothing that takes a crowd out of the game quicker than the home crowd seeing the ball stuffed down their defense's throats.

there's just something that's a lot more demoralizing about seeing a team run against you successfully

Hawaii 5-0
09-20-2012, 01:21 AM
Steelers Notebook: Ben Roethlisberger campaigns for more no-huddle (again)

By Chris Adamski | CBSSports.com
September 19, 2012


Big Ben is a big fan of the no-huddle offense.

The Steelers' quarterback is a fan of calling his own plays, too -- something that he can usually do if the offense isn't huddling.

Subtly, and without saying anything that might offend his coaches, Ben Roethlisberger campaigned once again Wednesday afternoon for running the no-huddle.

Asked why it wasn't used during a win against the Jets this past Sunday after it had been used successfully the week before in a loss to the Broncos, Roethlisberger said the no-huddle was brought up only once during the New York game.

"Right before halftime, coach Tomlin came to me and asked what I thought about it," Roethlisberger said. "I was all for it, but we never really got to it."

Roethlisberger also took a veiled shot at fans and observers (maybe even his own owner, Art Rooney II), who champion running the ball more.

"That's (OC Todd) Haley's call," Roethlisberger said when asked why more multiple-receiver sets weren't used Sunday. "He's the one that calls all of the plays. There was no no-huddle. Our no-huddle is usually when we have three wide receivers on the field. They saw something and wanted to run the ball with multiple tight ends and keep you guys and the fans happy, I guess."

If the way Roethlisberger is talking makes it sounds like he would call a pass play on every down, listen to this: A big topic of conversation this week is the alleged predictability of the Steelers' offense, which too often seems to go run-run-pass, respectively, during the three downs of a series.

"That's the key, not being predictable," Roethlisberger said. "That's on coaches to know what our tendencies are on different downs and things like that. We put our faith and trust in them that they'll figure out what we need to do."

It's no secret Roethlisberger had a very close relationship with former offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and was -- initially, at least -- slow to warm to Haley. Are these subtle shots at him? Here's another quote that involves the quarterback suggesting the team would be better off with Roethlisberger calling the shots than with the coaches calling them.

"It seems like on first and second down, nothing's really happening, and then it's, 'Hey, go make something happen on third down, you guys,'" Roethlisberger said. "We've been able to do that on third downs and make things happen."

More cautious now that he's 30? Having turned 30 and in his ninth season playing a somewhat reckless (albeit remarkably effective) style, conventional wisdom was that Roethlisberger would be more likely to throw a ball away or slide down more quickly or not hold onto the ball so long in an effort to avoid taking hits.

Through two games, it has appeared that way. But Roethlisberger says that's not by design.

"I'm not really trying to do anything different," he said. "It's just the way I'm playing the game. There was no real intention ever to slide and get down or dump the ball off. It's the way I've always played, and if guys are open on the check-downs, I get it to them. I don't really feel like I'm doing anything different."

Roethlisberger on the Greg Schiano-Tom Coughlin kneel-down controversy: "It's tough. I kind of see both sides of it. If I was at quarterback, I wouldn't be happy with it. If it was my defense, I'd say, 'Way to go until the end of the game.' It's hard. You never want to hurt anybody, especially this early in the season. It's not like it's a playoff game and something is going on. There are times when we take a knee at the end of halves and we'll tell the defense that we're taking a knee and everyone backs off. I think at this level that's probably proper etiquette."

Ben's line of the day: In reference to his most recent start in Oakland, a 20-13 loss in which he threw four interceptions a week after being knocked out of a game due to a concussion in October 2006, Roethlisberger said: "All I remember is throwing, like, six or seven picks and it being a crazy, hostile place. That's about it. And losing the game."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/20250147/steelers-notebook-ben-roethlisberger-campaigns-for-more-no-huddle-again--

steelfury02
09-20-2012, 08:10 AM
ok, here he says he has faith in the coaches, but is also talking out the other end

I'd like a chance to see Ben and Haley communicate on the sidelines

GoFor7
09-20-2012, 08:33 AM
Steelers Notebook: Ben Roethlisberger campaigns for more no-huddle (again)

By Chris Adamski | CBSSports.com
September 19, 2012


Big Ben is a big fan of the no-huddle offense.

The Steelers' quarterback is a fan of calling his own plays, too -- something that he can usually do if the offense isn't huddling.

Subtly, and without saying anything that might offend his coaches, Ben Roethlisberger campaigned once again Wednesday afternoon for running the no-huddle.

Asked why it wasn't used during a win against the Jets this past Sunday after it had been used successfully the week before in a loss to the Broncos, Roethlisberger said the no-huddle was brought up only once during the New York game.

"Right before halftime, coach Tomlin came to me and asked what I thought about it," Roethlisberger said. "I was all for it, but we never really got to it."

Roethlisberger also took a veiled shot at fans and observers (maybe even his own owner, Art Rooney II), who champion running the ball more.

"That's (OC Todd) Haley's call," Roethlisberger said when asked why more multiple-receiver sets weren't used Sunday. "He's the one that calls all of the plays. There was no no-huddle. Our no-huddle is usually when we have three wide receivers on the field. They saw something and wanted to run the ball with multiple tight ends and keep you guys and the fans happy, I guess."

If the way Roethlisberger is talking makes it sounds like he would call a pass play on every down, listen to this: A big topic of conversation this week is the alleged predictability of the Steelers' offense, which too often seems to go run-run-pass, respectively, during the three downs of a series.

"That's the key, not being predictable," Roethlisberger said. "That's on coaches to know what our tendencies are on different downs and things like that. We put our faith and trust in them that they'll figure out what we need to do."

It's no secret Roethlisberger had a very close relationship with former offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and was -- initially, at least -- slow to warm to Haley. Are these subtle shots at him? Here's another quote that involves the quarterback suggesting the team would be better off with Roethlisberger calling the shots than with the coaches calling them.

"It seems like on first and second down, nothing's really happening, and then it's, 'Hey, go make something happen on third down, you guys,'" Roethlisberger said. "We've been able to do that on third downs and make things happen."

More cautious now that he's 30? Having turned 30 and in his ninth season playing a somewhat reckless (albeit remarkably effective) style, conventional wisdom was that Roethlisberger would be more likely to throw a ball away or slide down more quickly or not hold onto the ball so long in an effort to avoid taking hits.

Through two games, it has appeared that way. But Roethlisberger says that's not by design.

"I'm not really trying to do anything different," he said. "It's just the way I'm playing the game. There was no real intention ever to slide and get down or dump the ball off. It's the way I've always played, and if guys are open on the check-downs, I get it to them. I don't really feel like I'm doing anything different."

Roethlisberger on the Greg Schiano-Tom Coughlin kneel-down controversy: "It's tough. I kind of see both sides of it. If I was at quarterback, I wouldn't be happy with it. If it was my defense, I'd say, 'Way to go until the end of the game.' It's hard. You never want to hurt anybody, especially this early in the season. It's not like it's a playoff game and something is going on. There are times when we take a knee at the end of halves and we'll tell the defense that we're taking a knee and everyone backs off. I think at this level that's probably proper etiquette."

Ben's line of the day: In reference to his most recent start in Oakland, a 20-13 loss in which he threw four interceptions a week after being knocked out of a game due to a concussion in October 2006, Roethlisberger said: "All I remember is throwing, like, six or seven picks and it being a crazy, hostile place. That's about it. And losing the game."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/20250147/steelers-notebook-ben-roethlisberger-campaigns-for-more-no-huddle-again--

Considering how he has to bail them out 3rd & long because Art is enamored with Granddaddy's style of football, I can't blame him for being a little upset.

Remember, the idea was to keep Ben up-right. Putting him in 3rd & long situations is really tempting fate in that regard. Perhaps they should let Ben do more on first downs, and in turn he'll have to do less on second and third downs.

Nah! Run, run pass! Run, run, sack! Run, run, punt!

steelfury02
09-20-2012, 08:50 AM
I don't mind a run on first down, but yes, certainly not run for 1 to 2 yard on 1st and 2nd, then crap its already 3rd and 7-10.

I think ultimately, as he said - being unpredictable is key. If they don't know that we're going to pass it on first or second, then things get verrry interesting

GoFor7
09-20-2012, 09:05 AM
There needs to be a realization that the Steelers currently do not have the pedigree at the RB position to play the style they want to play. Even when Mendenhall comes back it's probably going to be some time until he's himself again. Who needs to realize this? Tomlin? Haley? Art Rooney II? Until one or all of them come to that realization, the Steelers will be pounding square pegs into round holes.

LVSteelersfan
09-20-2012, 10:24 AM
I really hope they attack that Raider's secondary big time on Sunday. Attack the weaknesses of the team you are playing instead of trying to ram your tired old game plan down their throats come hell or high water. That was why Arians sucked so much. I hope Haley changes things up a bit and isn't predictable. Perhaps he is waiting for the offense to gel and learn the plays better before unleashing hell on the NFL.