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maddog78
09-26-2012, 03:18 PM
This is from another forum I read. Not my work, but exceptional breakdown of the long TD run. Disturbing analysis of the breakdown on D by Timmons and Snack.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68&f=1897&t=9408980

steelfury02
09-26-2012, 03:23 PM
good grief. That is some god-awfulness right there.

maddog78
09-26-2012, 03:26 PM
Not sure what they were thinking giving Timmons all that coin. It would be one thing if the DL let a guard tie him up, but he was totally lost on the play.

Atlanta Dan
09-26-2012, 03:33 PM
Not sure what they were thinking giving Timmons all that coin. It would be one thing if the DL let a guard tie him up, but he was totally lost on the play.

Timmons was Tomlin's first draft pick and the organization has always been committed to him - he has all the physical tools and has seemed ready to bust out since 2009 (when Foote spent his year in exile in Detroit since Timmons was being handed his starter's job). But this is Timmons sixth season (Lambert was going for his 4th Super Bowl at that stage of his career) and if he is nothing special by now I doubt he ever will be.

Being so high on Timmons as the future stud at ILB may be why they passed on Sean Lee and selected Woirlds even though Lee supposedly was ranked higher on the Steelers draft board

FrancoLambert
09-26-2012, 05:05 PM
When I watched the game for the second time paying close attention to the big plays, I couldn't believe how many half-assed attempts at tackling were so obvious in that 1 play.
It sums up the play of our D (so far) in a nutshell. Weak effort by all on the D.

Fire Arians
09-26-2012, 05:46 PM
When I watched the game for the second time paying close attention to the big plays, I couldn't believe how many half-assed attempts at tackling were so obvious in that 1 play.
It sums up the play of our D (so far) in a nutshell. Weak effort by all on the D.

pretty much. raiders just wanted to win more, and they did.

teegre
09-26-2012, 05:49 PM
Timmons was Tomlin's first draft pick and the organization has always been committed to him - he has all the physical tools and has seemed ready to bust out since 2009 (when Foote spent his year in exile in Detroit since Timmons was being handed his starter's job). But this is Timmons sixth season (Lambert was going for his 4th Super Bowl at that stage of his career) and if he is nothing special by now I doubt he ever will be.

Being so high on Timmons as the future stud at ILB may be why they passed on Sean Lee and selected Woirlds even though Lee supposedly was ranked higher on the Steelers draft board

1. Timmons had an amazing 2009. Other than that, he has sorely diappointed.

2. I really wanted Navorro Bowman (but would have been happy with Sean Lee... obviously).

2-a. I had heard that they were targeting Toby Gerhart... and then, MINN jumped ahead of them.

2-b. At that point,t he pass-rush was the biggest problem. And, after Timmons' outstanding 2009 season, it made more sense to go after Harrison's eventual replacement. Alas, alas, alas...

2-c. Still, regardless of the need at OLB, Farrior was just as old (as Harrison). And, if Sean Lee (or Navorro Bowman) was more highly ranked (as I have heard, about Lee, on numerous sites), it baffles me as to why Worilds was chosen.

teegre
09-26-2012, 05:50 PM
pretty much. raiders just wanted to win more, and they did.

Amen!!!

Wheeler & Seymour were ATTACKING and trying to STRIP. They were uber-aggressive. The game was played at two different speeds.

Bayz101
09-26-2012, 05:52 PM
Timmons hasn't had many oppourtunities to rush the QB over the last three years. It seems like when Goodell started moving the NFL into a passing league, Lebeau's gamplan's followed that as well.

Edman
09-26-2012, 06:21 PM
Timmons was pretty good in 2009 and 2010. That's why I'm not getting too low on the guy. He has the stuff and has shown it.

First and foremost, if there was ever a reason to believe Hampton and Keisel need to see the bench, this is it. Surprised to see no one comment how ineffective they are. Once again, this is all on Dickard and Mitchell hating production out of our Young D-Line.

mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68&f=1897&t=9404756

Ziggy Hood was a beast near the end of 2010. How was he rewarded? He was benched for the opening games of 2011 for a aging and decrepit Aaron Smith as we endured embarrassments in Baltimore and Houston.

Cam Heyward got a sack in the Jets game to close the game out. How was he rewarded? He got only Five Snaps in Oakland while we watched Keisel get thrown around for Four Quarters.

Steve McClendon is a beast in Training Camp and had a beastly preseason. His reward? Riding the bench while we watch Casey the Hutt flubber and flail in our 15th Ranked Run Defense.

teegre
09-26-2012, 06:24 PM
First and foremost, if there was ever a reason to believe Hampton and Keisel need to see the bench, this is it. Surprised to see no one comment how ineffective they are.

Are you being facetious??? There are like three threads about them...

In case you missed it... here is the concensus take:

1. Casey the Hutt has sucked for four years. no one can believe he even made the roster, let alone given the starting job.

2. Keisel fell off a cliff. Great, then good, and now (lost).

3. Start Heyward; he's good. Start McClendon; he can't be any worse.

lipps83
09-26-2012, 06:44 PM
Timmons was pretty good in 2009 and 2010. That's why I'm not getting too low on the guy. He has the stuff and has shown it.

First and foremost, if there was ever a reason to believe Hampton and Keisel need to see the bench, this is it. Surprised to see no one comment how ineffective they are. Once again, this is all on Dickard and Mitchell hating production out of our Young D-Line.

mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68&f=1897&t=9404756

Ziggy Hood was a beast near the end of 2010. How was he rewarded? He was benched for the opening games of 2011 for a aging and decrepit Aaron Smith as we endured embarrassments in Baltimore and Houston.

Cam Heyward got a sack in the Jets game to close the game out. How was he rewarded? He got only Five Snaps in Oakland while we watched Keisel get thrown around for Four Quarters.

Steve McClendon is a beast in Training Camp and had a beastly preseason. His reward? Riding the bench while we watch Casey the Hutt flubber and flail in our 15th Ranked Run Defense.

This is it right here. There is an over-commitment to veteran players that can no longer play. Our younger players lose real game experience for this.

The reason?

Dick's defense is too hard to figure out? I actually think this is B.S. but I think that is what is stated because they really don't like to play younger guys for a year or two or three or four or five.

I think Heyward can play, but we won't really know until he 'learns' the defense around year 6.

jb500ex
09-26-2012, 06:50 PM
Timmons had a good first seven games in 2010 then was horrible after that if you watch film and don't look at stats. One of the worst signings this franchise has ever made giving him the extension

Edman
09-26-2012, 06:53 PM
Figuring out Dickard's Defense is simple...

If you're a D-Lineman, we don't want production out of you. We want you to stand around and be a titty-fighting fat piece of shit. Heyward and McClendon aren't inclined to be fat pieces of shit yet, so they ride the pine.

Ziggy Hood was a beast, but he wasn't a fat piece of shit. So we bench him and neuter him, now we get upset at Hood because his production is gone. No, the blame is on Dickard and Mitchell for neutering him.

Riddle_Of_Steel
09-26-2012, 07:11 PM
Perhaps we are the fools for thinking that two guys on the wrong side of 30, with surgically repaired knees, following torn ACLs less than a year ago would deliver Probowl caliber play on the field?

StainlessStill
09-26-2012, 07:30 PM
2 big splash plays killed us. Both audibles at the line of scrimmage with our defense showing their hand (how many TIMES did Palmer use his hard-count to make us show our Joker? Undisciplined.)

The big splash play in Denver was Thomas's 71 yard WR screen for a TD, and the other was McFadden's 64 yard jaunt. Killed us. It's Tomlin always talking about creating our own splash plays. We got bit this time twice. Result? 1-2.

Got to fix it.

Lizard72
09-26-2012, 07:38 PM
This is it right here. There is an over-commitment to veteran players that can no longer play. Our younger players lose real game experience for this.

The reason?

Dick's defense is too hard to figure out? I actually think this is B.S. but I think that is what is stated because they really don't like to play younger guys for a year or two or three or four or five.

I think Heyward can play, but we won't really know until he 'learns' the defense around year 6.



With the way contracts are structured and limited bench size...they don't have the luxury of sitting a guy for 2-3 years anymore.