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Hawaii 5-0
09-28-2012, 09:37 PM
Steelers Foote Says Players Don’t Trust LeBeau

Sep 26th, 2012 by Craig Gottschalk

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Steelers linebacker Larry Foote said on Wednesday:

"Sometimes, you can get caught up in just trying to play hard and aggressive, but you’re not trusting the defense. Not the other players, but the defense. And that can’t happen. The bottom line is that we have to make a play when we get a chance."

Wait…. what? You’re telling me that even your players now don’t trust the defensive system? It’s one thing that fans, pundits, and bloggers who think they know it all rip Dick LeBeau and his system apart week to week when the team loses. But when the players – one of your own defensive leaders – admits that when they step on the field and doubt what’s being called… now that’s a problem.

It’s harsh words from Foote, but whether it comes from a place of truth or more of an excuse for not executing and making plays when they (or just Foote) need to is inconsequential. The bottom line for fans, coaches and players is that the defense needs to make plays. And that, they are not doing.

There’s is where LeBeau’s stubbornness really is beginning to hurt the team. The predictability of play calling – based on things Carson Palmer did during the game and said after – is starting to shred this defense that is banged up, bleeding, and looking for any type of relief. The absence of Polamalu and Harrison are greatly hurting the team. Young players are far from stepping up and filling their shoes. You can’t call the same plays you would for your stars and starters when average Joes are on the field and expect to get the results. The defensive schemes need to change in order to accomodate for Cris Carter’s inability to clear the edge like Harrison does.The middle of the field needs help with coverage to accomodate for Ryan Mundy’s inability to play tight up front and then escape downfield if someone goes deep. The list goes on.

In addition, were any of these guys to have an off night – the rest of the system falls apart. There’s no arguing that LeBeau’s system is sheer brilliance. But it is catastrophic to have a system in place that is completely dependent upon each and every player working within the realm of perfection. That is a flawed system.

And, with the aging defense and the increased risks of players becoming injured, opposing offenses will continue to shred this defense. That you can trust.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/09/26/steelers-foote-says-players-dont-trust-lebeau/

Goldsteel86
09-28-2012, 09:51 PM
Steelers Foote Says Players Don’t Trust LeBeau

Sep 26th, 2012 by Craig Gottschalk

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Steelers linebacker Larry Foote said on Wednesday:

"Sometimes, you can get caught up in just trying to play hard and aggressive, but you’re not trusting the defense. Not the other players, but the defense. And that can’t happen. The bottom line is that we have to make a play when we get a chance."

Wait…. what? You’re telling me that even your players now don’t trust the defensive system? It’s one thing that fans, pundits, and bloggers who think they know it all rip Dick LeBeau and his system apart week to week when the team loses. But when the players – one of your own defensive leaders – admits that when they step on the field and doubt what’s being called… now that’s a problem.

It’s harsh words from Foote, but whether it comes from a place of truth or more of an excuse for not executing and making plays when they (or just Foote) need to is inconsequential. The bottom line for fans, coaches and players is that the defense needs to make plays. And that, they are not doing.

There’s is where LeBeau’s stubbornness really is beginning to hurt the team. The predictability of play calling – based on things Carson Palmer did during the game and said after – is starting to shred this defense that is banged up, bleeding, and looking for any type of relief. The absence of Polamalu and Harrison are greatly hurting the team. Young players are far from stepping up and filling their shoes. You can’t call the same plays you would for your stars and starters when average Joes are on the field and expect to get the results. The defensive schemes need to change in order to accomodate for Cris Carter’s inability to clear the edge like Harrison does.The middle of the field needs help with coverage to accomodate for Ryan Mundy’s inability to play tight up front and then escape downfield if someone goes deep. The list goes on.

In addition, were any of these guys to have an off night – the rest of the system falls apart. There’s no arguing that LeBeau’s system is sheer brilliance. But it is catastrophic to have a system in place that is completely dependent upon each and every player working within the realm of perfection. That is a flawed system.

And, with the aging defense and the increased risks of players becoming injured, opposing offenses will continue to shred this defense. That you can trust.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/09/26/steelers-foote-says-players-dont-trust-lebeau/

Really, are the Steelers fans to entertain this thought? Is this possibly a play on words? No disrespect to Foote but if this were the case why didn't Farrior say this last year, or any of the other veterans? Wait a minute, didn't Foote take a break when he played with the Lions (and lost), didn't he sit behind an aging Farrior last year, sorry but before Foote points the finger maybe he needs to step up his game, take the blame on himself as a "Defensive Leader", Foote has whiffed on alot of tackles this year and quite frankly if it weren't for LeBeau's scheme he wouldn't have the tackles or the sacks he has. Bottom line, coaches call the plays as a "Defensive Leader" he needs to recognize and adjust, furthermore he and the rest of the Defense need to execute, it is what it is, now Foote wants to be a "Mouthpiece". As far as I am concerned, a true classless veteran who wants to point fingers. If he didn't buy into LeBeau's system why did he come back?

Neil-Still-Rules-14
09-28-2012, 10:10 PM
To be honest, one could make the case that Larry Foote has been the best player on defense thus far this year...

tanda10506
09-28-2012, 10:12 PM
It's frustrating for us fans to watch us play big cushion zone and get eaten up by all QB's including scrubs, especially when the answer is obvious. I liked it more when our team didn't talk much to the media, but I can see how frustrating it would be for Foote to get the call from LeBeau every play and having to call it even though it didn't work two plays ago and two plays before that.

Goldsteel86
09-28-2012, 10:17 PM
To be honest, one could make the case that Larry Foote has been the best player on defense thus far this year...

I could see that point if he didn't look lost so much, if he were organized and took the defense over as its true leader then that would be something to expound upon. Also, consider this, I mean no offense to you, one could also look at it like Neil O' Donnell actually "Threw" the SB away against the Cowboys. With that analogy, the coaches call the plays, it is up to the players to execute, a good leader on either side of the ball have to lead their people to make plays. Instead of Foote pointing the finger at someone maybe he needs to turn the finger towards himself as the "Defensive Leader" or at least one of them.

Edman
09-28-2012, 10:22 PM
I wouldn't exactly be trustworthy in a defensive scheme that has screwed up most of this young season.

When you have crap like D-Linemen getting chewed out for making plays behind the line of scrimmage (Ta'amu), or benching a player who gets a sack to close out the game (Heyward), or a player who has played his ass off in training camp and preseason but has barely seen the field and is benched for a slopping veteran (McClendon), and result of this bullshit is a collapsing Defense, some feathers are going to be ruffled and frustration is going to set in.

The young guys don't trust Lebeau because he doesn't trust them. He still wants to ride his trusty veterans even though they can no longer play. Lebeau did the same crap to Ziggy Hood last year (When he was a monster at the end of 2010) by starting an ineffective and broken down Aaron Smith to open the 2011 season. Of course the Lebeau Apologists will blame the players.

It's unbelievable how much excuses are made for Lebeau's ineptitude.

Goldsteel86
09-28-2012, 10:25 PM
Wow, what a tale in three games, abandoned LeBeau even though the offense hasn't produced like this in years. Did anyone get the number of the bus that LeBeau was just thrown under??

Goldsteel86
09-28-2012, 10:41 PM
Scrape when you should have filled, LB 101, look at the McFadden run.

Edman
09-28-2012, 10:49 PM
Scrape when you should have filled, LB 101, look at the McFadden run.

If "Mighty Two-Gap" Casey the Hutt doesn't get dominated 1 on 1, it doesn't even matter what Timmons or Mundy does.

Casey is starting because of One Dick Lebeau.

steelers33
09-28-2012, 11:23 PM
If "Mighty Two-Gap" Casey the Hutt doesn't get dominated 1 on 1, it doesn't even matter what Timmons or Mundy does.

Casey is starting because of One Dick Lebeau.

Casey is starting because the coaches probably feel at this point he would do better then McClendon. Mike Tomlin expects performance out of his players no matter who they are(demonstrated last year with Hines seeing decreased playing time), and unfortunately the young guys on the DL haven't come far enough yet to take plays away from the aging DL. And just because a player is young doesn't mean that they deserve to play, look at how much Chris Carter has struggled this year. The defense is in transition mode. They have young guys not ready to play yet, and they have older guys way past their prime( most evident in the poor play of the D-Line.) And top that off with the absence of two Defensive MVPs, and you've got a bad combination. I do agree though that there has also been some schematic problems with LeBeau, but there is some personnel issues to say the least.

tony hipchest
09-28-2012, 11:42 PM
Casey is starting because of One Dick Lebeau.mike tomlin is the head coach.

austinfrench76
09-29-2012, 12:57 AM
I agree that they should be playing other personnel but the scheme is fine. This defense has been ranked so high for so long, we were bound to see some drop at some point. And if they don't get it together we probably see Keith Butler as our new Defensive Coordinator next season.

Hawaii 5-0
09-29-2012, 03:42 AM
On the Steelers: Defense has problems, and predictability is one of them

By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

It's not so much that the Steelers defense is old and slow, now they are predictable?

Some Oakland Raiders made that claim Sunday, including wide receiver Derek Hagan, who credited quarterback Carson Palmer for diagramming Dick LeBeau's defense for his teammates and then picking it apart.

"They pretty much did the same thing that they did six, seven years ago when he was playing with Cincinnati," Hagan said of the former Bengals quarterback. "Obviously, they've got a legendary D-coordinator over there. He's been running certain things that other teams have seen, that we've seen. We knew their tendencies and we were able to hit them with some big plays when it really counted."

Predictable? Guilty as charged said Steelers safety Ryan Clark.

"Sometimes, when you speed up the offense, you can call the same plays and kind of get stuck in the same plays," Clark said of defending Oakland's no-huddle offense Sunday.

"We really haven't been that hard to figure out the last seven years I've been here. We've been running the same things, we call the same things. It's not about being predictable, it's about executing.

"Coach LeBeau puts us in a call, we have to execute the right way. It doesn't matter if you know what we're doing if you can stop it."

Here are the adjustments Clark suggests:

"That's what we have to get back to doing, no matter what the call is, the guys across from us, kicking his butt and getting to the ball."

That defense usually becomes a little less predictable when a healthy Troy Polamalu and James Harrison join it, which is what both did Tuesday in practice. Harrison missed the first three regular-season games with his bothersome knee, and Polamalu missed the past two with a calf injury. Polamalu intends to play when the Steelers face Philadelphia at home Oct. 7 after their off week. Harrison's participation will depend, again, on how his knee responds between now and then.

"It'll help," linebacker LaMarr Woodley said. "Those are key guys back, that definitely makes a big difference on this defense. So having them back would definitely be great for this defense."

Perhaps surprisingly, that defense ranks among the best in the NFL in yards allowed. It ranks fifth against the pass (190.3 yards permitted per game) and seventh overall (291.3) in a league that leans more and more to offense.

Still, it's not what the Steelers are accustomed to doing. They finished first in the NFL last season in fewest yards allowed, passing yards allowed and points allowed. Yet they have continued another trend from 2011 in that they are also producing fewer turnovers and sacks.

Woodley has two of his team's five sacks, which are tied for 22nd in the NFL. They have produced only two turnovers, and their three as a team (one fumble recovery on a muffed punt return) is tied for 24th.

Last season, they managed a 21-year low of 35 sacks and 16 turnovers.

Forget their rankings, the Steelers realize they are not playing good defense.

"It stinks," Clark said of the way they've played. "It's not the way we play defense. It's not the way we train and work all week to come out and play. But coach LeBeau says sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.

"They scored a lot of points, and we didn't stop them. We can't point fingers at anybody, we have to use our thumbs and point them at ourselves and be better."

Said Woodley, "Even if we won the game on Sunday, we still played bad on defense."
Clark suggested it's not necessarily the "old" guys.

"I think what you lose, you lose chemistry sometimes when guys go out. We have to work together and fit together properly, that more than anything. It's not that guys aren't talented enough, we're not fitting the defense like coach LeBeau wants us to do."

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/on-the-steelers-clark-were-too-predictable-654864/#ixzz27po7P0JI

EbonySteel86
09-29-2012, 07:25 AM
Wow, what a tale in three games, abandoned LeBeau even though the offense hasn't produced like this in years. Did anyone get the number of the bus that LeBeau was just thrown under??

This has been going on for awhile, not just the last three games. We got Tebowed and made Curtis Painter look like Payton Manning. Time for a change.

lloydwoodson
09-29-2012, 07:30 AM
Larry Foote needs to shut up. Dick Lebeau isn't going anywhere. Larry Foote is a huge liability in coverage or in open space. That said I do agree that the defense has been playing with its hands tied and it is time for the players to be allowed to be aggressive.
Obviously having two former DPOY out is going to hurt your defense. Personnel is a huge issue right now. I like the young cornerbacks tbh but Mundy is terrible and so are Worilds and Carter,

Millers the sh!t
09-29-2012, 08:28 AM
mike tomlin is the head coach.

Yeah he is. Maybe you should let him in on that secret so he can actually make a decision. Tomlins been making horrible personnel and gametime decisions since he's been in Pittsburgh. The guys soft and is a pushover. Gives way too much leeway to his staff. Players and coaches.

Millers the sh!t
09-29-2012, 08:29 AM
Larry Foote needs to shut up. Dick Lebeau isn't going anywhere. Larry Foote is a huge liability in coverage or in open space. That said I do agree that the defense has been playing with its hands tied and it is time for the players to be allowed to be aggressive.
Obviously having two former DPOY out is going to hurt your defense. Personnel is a huge issue right now. I like the young cornerbacks tbh but Mundy is terrible and so are Worilds and Carter,

I bet this is dickies last season with us..

TRH
09-29-2012, 08:35 AM
This has been going on for awhile, not just the last three games. We got Tebowed and made Curtis Painter look like Payton Manning. Time for a change.

'that is true. I thought our defense looked like utter crap through the last half of last year.

Edman
09-29-2012, 09:13 AM
Casey is starting because the coaches probably feel at this point he would do better then McClendon.

I know, just as they thought Aaron Smith Last Season would do better than Ziggy Hood even though he hasn't played a full down in years.

An Aging Lineman coming off of ACL surgery is doing better than a guy who came into the season with a full head of steam.

It's a comedy the Steelers Coaching Staff is putting on now.

Edman
09-29-2012, 09:15 AM
Yeah he is. Maybe you should let him in on that secret so he can actually make a decision. Tomlins been making horrible personnel and gametime decisions since he's been in Pittsburgh. The guys soft and is a pushover. Gives way too much leeway to his staff. Players and coaches.

This I have to agree with. Tomlin is part of the problem, by sitting back and doing nothing.

Goldsteel86
09-29-2012, 09:58 AM
mike tomlin is the head coach.

Exactly, very true, and if I am not mistaken Tomlin is a defensive coach as he was with Tampa Bay before he came to the Steelers. He fired the Special Teams coach mid-way through the post season, if he thought LeBeau couldn't handle his duties and wasn't effective why wouldn't he (The Head Coach) take over the defensive play calling? Is it maybe because he is holding his players accountable?

tony hipchest
09-29-2012, 11:15 AM
oh, and foote didnt throw lebeau under the bus. he's stepping up as a leader and diagnosing part of the problem- that some players need to stay in line and simply do their jobs... trust the position theyre put in and not try to put themselves in the position they think they should be in (like many madden 13 coaches/fans think they can do).

Fire Haley
09-29-2012, 12:01 PM
You can’t call the same plays you would for your stars and starters when average Joes are on the field and expect to get the results

the problem is our new starters on defense are average schmoes now

FrancoLambert
09-29-2012, 04:43 PM
You can’t call the same plays you would for your stars and starters when average Joes are on the field and expect to get the results

the problem is our new starters on defense are average schmoes now

But I thought the standard is the standard.

Hawaii 5-0
09-29-2012, 08:45 PM
LeBeau has trust in system

By F. Dale Lolley, Staff writer dlolley@observer-reporter.com

PITTSBURGH – The statistics show the Steelers defense is ranked seventh in the NFL and is one of only seven teams not allowing more than 300 yards per game.

But statistics can lie.

The most important ones, points allowed and wins, tell the true story of what Pittsburgh’s defense has done it its first three games.

Despite its ranking in yards against, the Steelers have given up 75 points. That has added up to a 1-2 start – including a 34-31 loss last weekend at Oakland – and perplexed defensive coordinator Dick Le-Beau.

“The big problem for us has been big plays,” said Le-Beau. “In both of our losses, we gave up two big plays. We can’t have those. It doesn’t matter who is out there. We can’t have that happen. We didn’t get off the field in the second half at Oakland. They got too many cracks, and they got the football in there. We have to tighten down and get off the field. In both second halves in the games we lost, we weren’t very good. We have to be able to finish those football games. If our offense puts up 31 points, that should be good enough to win the game. We got some work to do.”

In their two losses, both on the road, the Steelers have shut down Denver and Oakland in the first half, only to watch them march up and down the field in the second half to pull out wins. In nine opposing second half drives on the road, the Steelers have given up points eight times and haven’t forced a punt.

In their only victory, a 27-10 win over the Jets at Heinz Field, the Steelers held New York scoreless in the second half.

“That’s something we have to address,” LeBeau said. “Statistically, it’s right there. We finished the Jets game. That’s our only win. If we finished the other two games, we would probably have three wins. We are all aware of the problems, and we are working on the corrections.”

One of the issues has been some players trying to do too much when things start going downhill. Instead of simply playing the defense as called and trusting teammates to do their job, they try to make every tackle.

“If a team is moving the ball just a little bit, they want to do a little bit more to stop them,” LeBeau said. “That’s a good problem to have. But it is a problem nonetheless. We can’t do that. We have to trust the defense, trust the teammate, focus and play.”

What LeBeau hasn’t lost trust in is his players or defensive scheme, which has finished first in the NFL in total defense in each of the past two seasons.

This, despite that fact that some of the Raiders said following their victory that the Pittsburgh defense was too predictable.

“I always look to myself first, and I hope they do, too,” LeBeau said. “When things aren’t where you want them to be, something has to be done differently. We are working on that. I believe in these guys, and I believe in what we are doing. When people are making more plays than us, it looks like they have us figured out. When they aren’t, it looks like they didn’t figure us out. It comes down to how we play and how we execute. The coach is involved in this, too. I have to give them things they can execute.”

Something that could help will be the return of All-Pro strong safety Troy Polamalu when the Steelers come out of their bye week. Polamalu has missed the past two games with a calf strain, but practiced Tuesday and Wednesday and appears to be on track to play Oct. 7 against Philadelphia.

Linebacker James Harrison, another All-Pro, also could return after sitting out the first three games following an August knee surgery. Harrison practiced Tuesday, but sat out Wednesday. He remains optimistic he will be back soon.

The return of both of those players would be a boost for the struggling defense.

“We were just the No. 1 defense in the league last year,” said linebacker Larry Foote. “And this year, we’re seventh. I don’t know how that’s happened, but we’re right where we need to be (statistically). If we go out and win five games in a row and shut some of those teams out, we’ll be right back where we usually are.”

Odds and end zones

The Steelers will not return to practice until Monday. ... After the bye, the Steelers play three of their next five games against teams from the NFC East.

http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/sports11/09-28-steelers-lebeau

Steeldude
09-30-2012, 07:33 AM
Where in the article does it say Foote does not trust Lebeau?

You can’t call the same plays you would for your stars and starters when average Joes are on the field and expect to get the results

Lebeau doesn't call the same plays when Polamalu is out. That's one of the problems.

lipps83
09-30-2012, 11:54 AM
Casey is starting because the coaches probably feel at this point he would do better then McClendon.

I know, just as they thought Aaron Smith Last Season would do better than Ziggy Hood even though he hasn't played a full down in years.

An Aging Lineman coming off of ACL surgery is doing better than a guy who came into the season with a full head of steam.

It's a comedy the Steelers Coaching Staff is putting on now.

Yes, this is something that really bothers me. All through preseason the coaches rave about how great McLendon is doing, and he looks impressive in the preseason.

Regular season starts, the guy is nowhere to be found. Instead we have a kneeless Hampton three times removed from having real ACL tissue in his knees, getting pushed around in the regular season.

Let the young guys play, coach. I am tired of your unwillingness to let the future of this team barely even get any reps.

lipps83
09-30-2012, 11:58 AM
LeBeau has trust in system

blah, blah, blah

“We are all aware of the problems, and we are working on the corrections.”

Are you really? Are you sure this isn't just your cookie-cutter answer to the media?

Prove it.

Let this defense play how we know they can play.

You can blitz more than 2 times a half. You don't always have to drop 8 into coverage and still get blown up in the passing game.

Edman
09-30-2012, 02:29 PM
We drafted these linemen and kept them around for the future. We let go of Hines, Farrior and Smith because their time was up. 2012 is supposedly a transition year, but we're still stuck in the 2000's. Stop the bullshit and start transitioning.

You know what happens to teams to hold onto veterans for too long and no eye for the future? You get a shut window and many bad years to come. The Steelers were too stubborn to say goodbye to a couple guys in the 80's and it resulted in a lost decade. The Raiders did the same crap in the early 2000's and it bit them in the ass big time.

The future is now, or this team will have no future.

steelersforever58
09-30-2012, 02:46 PM
Are you really? Are you sure this isn't just your cookie-cutter answer to the media?

Prove it.

Let this defense play how we know they can play.

You can blitz more than 2 times a half. You don't always have to drop 8 into coverage and still get blown up in the passing game.

I don't know if it is a lack of confidence in the dbs or what. But I agree, i would like to see more all out blitzing. This d is definately not aggressive enough for my taste, and hasn't been for years.

ricardisimo
09-30-2012, 02:55 PM
mike tomlin is the head coach.
And this is the one big question I'm having: Why is Hampton starting? Tomlin has always had a boner for the veterans, but this might be getting ridiculous. Did McLendon say something about his mama?

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-30-2012, 05:22 PM
To be honest, one could make the case that Larry Foote has been the best player on defense thus far this year...

One could make the case that Larry Foote should be backing up somebody instead of starting. His coverage skills have been soft, he's making plays if he blitzes the correct hole, but is getting blocked if he has to read and react.

He's a stop gap until Spence or a rookie draft pick takes his place next season.

Hawaii 5-0
09-30-2012, 07:40 PM
Has Steelers’ defense become too predictable?

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Raiders tightend Brandon Myers pulls in a Carson Palmer pass on the winning drive in front of the Steelers Lawrence Timmons at O.co Coiseum Sept. 23, 2012

By Mark Kaboly
Published: Sunday, September 30, 2012

Seattle had the ball at its 30-yard line early in the third quarter of last year’s home opener, and Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau dialed up one of his patented crossfire blitzes.

Inside linebacker James Farrior crossed in front of Lawrence Timmons while both rushed up the middle, confusing quarterback Tarvaris Jackson’s personal protector, Marshawn Lynch, and leading to a sack.

Fast-forward to the second play of this season’s opening game in Denver. Deep in Broncos territory, LeBeau calls the same blitz, sending Timmons and Larry Foote after Peyton Manning. Timmons tipped his intentions a split-second early, allowing Manning to know there would be zone coverage. Manning hit Eric Decker for a 13-yard gain in the zone’s soft spot.

Same scheme. Same defensive coordinator. Same blitz call. Different result.

Following an uncharacteristically bad start this season for the Steelers’ defense, the 75-year-old LeBeau — a Hall of Famer — is being criticized for becoming too predictable with a once cutting-edge defense.

Oakland receiver Derek Hagan said after a 34-31 win last week that the Raiders knew how the Steelers would attack certain plays. Denver’s Brandon Stokley stated a similar stance two weeks earlier after host Denver’s 31-19 victory.

“It doesn’t matter if you know what we are doing,” safety Ryan Clark said, “if you can’t stop it.”

EARLY STRUGGLES

But what happens when teams do stop it? A defense that has been so good in the past eight years — it finished as the NFL’s best unit in yards per game four times — starts to be called predictable.

“We haven’t changed here since I’ve been here,” safety Troy Polamalu said. “You can throw on film from Carnell Lake and Rod Woodson and Darren Perry and substitute numbers in, and it is the same exact defense.”

While LeBeau’s zone-blitz scheme is basically the same defense he developed in the 1980s with Cincinnati and the one that gained fame during his first stint with the Steelers in the mid-1990s, it’s never been described as predictable.

“Really, there are only so many defenses that you can call,” said former NFL safety Darren Sharper, now an analyst for NFL Network. “What they are running now is what they ran when I was in the league. They have never done anything exotic to where you were confused.

“(But) I definitely don’t agree that they are predictable because that’s not the case.”

LeBeau’s defense is ranked seventh in the league but has had shortcomings in its two losses. Compared to its first three games last season, the defensive difference has been alarming:

• Opponents are converting 48 percent of third downs this season compared to 36 percent last season.

• The Steelers have hit or pressured opposing quarterbacks 21 times versus 28 times last season.

• They have 10 passes defensed compared to 15 last year.

• The defense has allowed 75 points this season versus 55 points last season.

All of that has contributed to second-half collapses in the Steelers’ losses during which the team failed to prevent an opponent from scoring after halftime.

“I always look at myself first, and I hope (the players) do, too,” LeBeau said. “When things aren’t the way that you want them to be, something’s got to be done differently.”

PERSONNEL PROBLEM?

Former Steelers safety Mike Logan played under LeBeau from 2004-06 and admitted that the scheme never changed, but the calls within the scheme changed significantly week to week and even quarter to quarter.

“I remember during a second half of a game that Coach LeBeau pulled out a dry erase board on the sidelines and drew up different pressures,” Logan said. “He was always changing things during the game. But you have to have the personnel to do that.”

With former NFL Defensive Player of the Year James Harrison and his 58 career sacks yet to play, and Polamalu missing the past two games, LeBeau’s personnel isn’t what it once was.

“I think that is the major factor of why this defense hasn’t played to the level that it has in the past,” Sharper said. “In the past, they just executed their defense exceptionally well. They had guys who were better than they were going against.”

Along with Harrison and Polamalu being out, the Steelers’ defense lost three other starters from last year: Farrior, Aaron Smith and William Gay.

“There is all this talk about us being old,” Clark said. “It is not the old guys, you know … we have to infuse the young talent, and we all have to work together well. What you lose is chemistry when guys go out. We have to learn to fit together properly.”

LeBeau explained it a little more matter-of-factly.

“I’ve got to give them things that they can execute,” he said. “We’ve got to trust each other and trust the defense, and the results will come.”

http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/2661896-85/defense-steelers-lebeau-season-predictable-defensive-game-nfl-past-safety#ixzz27zXaystz

Steeldude
10-01-2012, 01:59 AM
One could make the case that Larry Foote should be backing up somebody instead of starting. His coverage skills have been soft, he's making plays if he blitzes the correct hole, but is getting blocked if he has to read and react.

He's a stop gap until Spence or a rookie draft pick takes his place next season.

Yep

BowCatShot
10-01-2012, 08:54 AM
This I have to agree with. Tomlin is part of the problem, by sitting back and doing nothing.

I agree with your observation, it's downright obvious. However what's not clear to me is the reasons for his inaction. I tend to think that the Rooneys haven't given him full or even enough control yet. More data is needed to figure this one out.

Didn't Cowher have to threaten to quit on more than one occasion before he was granted the authority that he needed?

BowCatShot
10-01-2012, 09:00 AM
But I thought the standard is the standard.

A famous person once said "that depends on what IS is.".

BowCatShot
10-01-2012, 09:07 AM
"In their two losses, both on the road, the Steelers have shut down Denver and Oakland in the first half, only to watch them march up and down the field in the second half to pull out wins. In nine opposing second half drives on the road, the Steelers have given up points eight times and haven’t forced a punt."

Isn't that a sign that the defense is just physically out of shape?

Steelerfreak58
10-01-2012, 10:45 AM
"In their two losses, both on the road, the Steelers have shut down Denver and Oakland in the first half, only to watch them march up and down the field in the second half to pull out wins. In nine opposing second half drives on the road, the Steelers have given up points eight times and haven’t forced a punt."

Isn't that a sign that the defense is just physically out of shape?

Or they are adjusting at halftime analyzing what we do and coming out and socking it to us. All the while our D is staying the same not adjusting well.

Our team used to adjust well at half time the last few years it has not. Throw in the fact that its an OFFENSE oriented league now with the refs throwing flags to help the offense s every other play you end up with what you end up with....

steelfury02
10-01-2012, 10:54 AM
The Eagles d knows how to swarm the pocket and F_A_S_T. That said, continued improvement (timing) and BALL SECURITY will counter this. So will home-field advantage (hopefully)

EbonySteel86
10-01-2012, 11:19 AM
Rex Ryan will be available soon....hmmm!

steelfury02
10-01-2012, 11:41 AM
might actually see him back in Baltimore after this season lol - at the rate they change D coordinators, why not? . . .

GoFor7
10-01-2012, 12:39 PM
might actually see him back in Baltimore after this season lol - at the rate they change D coordinators, why not? . . .

Doubt it. Word is Rex wasn't too thrilled when Harbaugh got the Ravens head coaching job over him in 2008. That might be awkward if those two were reunited.

steelfury02
10-01-2012, 01:58 PM
i forgot about that - awkward job v. no job though. Although - we're talking about someone who has savings > mine

Has too much time passed to insert foot joke here?

EbonySteel86
10-01-2012, 04:15 PM
With the personal we got Rex would blitz EVERYONE!!!

Hawaii 5-0
10-01-2012, 04:52 PM
Has too much time passed to insert foot joke here?

it's never too late for Rex Ryan foot jokes...

http://eatitforlunch.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/rex-feet-time-copy.jpg

Fire Haley
10-02-2012, 09:02 AM
We had coulda had Farriors/Foote's replacement...

MarkKaboly_Trib And with the 52nd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Pittsburgh Steelers select LB Sean Lee ...uh, the Pittsburgh Steelers select Jason Worilds

FanSince72
10-02-2012, 09:26 AM
Well I haven't trusted this system for the last few years.

It's stale, it's old, it's been solved by every team in the league and it's being mailed in.

The same thing that happened with Noll is now happening with LeBeau; he's been elevated to such a level of reverence that no one can bring themselves to tell him it's time to leave even though it's painfully clear that his best days are behind him.

I don't care how great someone is or how many statues are commissioned in their honor -- everyone gets old and everyone loses a step eventually and in the last few years LeBeau has lost more than one and it's time to move on.

GoFor7
10-02-2012, 10:11 AM
Well I haven't trusted this system for the last few years.

It's stale, it's old, it's been solved by every team in the league and it's being mailed in.

The same thing that happened with Noll is now happening with LeBeau; he's been elevated to such a level of reverence that no one can bring themselves to tell him it's time to leave even though it's painfully clear that his best days are behind him.

I don't care how great someone is or how many statues are commissioned in their honor -- everyone gets old and everyone loses a step eventually and in the last few years LeBeau has lost more than one and it's time to move on.

I wouldn't quite say it's time for LeBeau to leave. Adjust? Yes, but if he won't do that on his own then Tomlin has to force him to.

Is the problem a stubborn defensive coordinator, or is it a head coach tip-toeing around the situation?

FanSince72
10-02-2012, 10:44 AM
Is the problem a stubborn defensive coordinator, or is it a head coach tip-toeing around the situation?

Those are both very good questions.

But I think the "tip-toeing" aspect is more likely.
I don't believe that LeBeau is so much being stubborn as he is simply set in his ways.
At 75 years of age and with about 50 years of pro football under his belt, I think he just doesn't have the desire to really dig down and reinvent this defense to compete in today's NFL. It's not that he doesn't want to. I just think he realizes just how much time and effort that would take and I wonder if he can muster the energy to dedicate himself to something like that.

Picture yourself at 75 after a very long and storied career. You're looking at basically overhauling the entire defense and you know that in reality it will take more than one training camp to do that. Would you have the drive and energy for that?
Or would you be more content to leave things as they are and look more towards retirement than reinvention?

I think LeBeau is in a sort of nether-world of not wanting to leave, but at the same time not wanting to dedicate himself to what might be years of re-tooling. When people find themselves in such situations, they tend not to really address either option and end up doing more thinking than acting.

Because of this, I think that Tomlin and the F.O. are indeed tip-toeing because they're both aware that a change has to happen but no one wants to be the one to say so.
Trouble is that when they did that with Noll, it took ten years to resolve. I hope we're not looking at something similar now.

GoFor7
10-02-2012, 12:11 PM
Because of this, I think that Tomlin and the F.O. are indeed tip-toeing because they're both aware that a change has to happen but no one wants to be the one to say so.
Trouble is that when they did that with Noll, it took ten years to resolve. I hope we're not looking at something similar now.

That wasn't exactly a great era in Steelers' history. However, I get the feeling history could avoid being repeated because of the fact Keith Butler is still around. Remember, he interviewed to be the DC for the Colts, but quickly came back to Pittsburgh. Would he have come back if he felt the front office was going to keep LeBeau for potentially several more seasons?

My guess is either LeBeau's tenure as DC is coming to an end, or Butler got tricked by the front office.

Atlanta Dan
10-02-2012, 12:58 PM
My guess is either LeBeau's tenure as DC is coming to an end, or Butler got tricked by the front office.

Given that when Tomlin was hired it apparently was a condition that he kept Coach LeBeau, LeBeau will leave on his own terms.

I think he knows it is time and with some more of his crew leaving after this season (Hampton, Harrison, probably Keisel) it itime to say goodbye

IMO he would have retired after the 2010 season if the Steelers had beaten Green By

tony hipchest
10-02-2012, 02:21 PM
Well I haven't trusted this system for the last few years.

It's stale, it's old, it's been solved by every team in the league and it's being mailed in.

.
unFREAKINGbeleivable :doh:
.

But I think the "tip-toeing" aspect is more likely.
I don't believe that LeBeau is so much being stubborn as he is simply set in his ways.
At 75 years of age and with about 50 years of pro football under his belt, I think he just doesn't have the desire to really dig down and reinvent this defense to compete in today's NFL. It's not that he doesn't want to. I just think he realizes just how much time and effort that would take and I wonder if he can muster the energy to dedicate himself to something like that.

Picture yourself at 75 after a very long and storied career. You're looking at basically overhauling the entire defense and you know that in reality it will take more than one training camp to do that. Would you have the drive and energy for that?
Or would you be more content to leave things as they are and look more towards retirement than reinvention?

.

*sniffle* [wiping tears away]

thats a beautiful story, man. did you come up with that riding off into the sunset fairy tale all by yourself?

i might actually buy into your wildly speculative and make believe theory if it want 100% false and disputed by about every single steelers defensive player who freely admits that lebeau overhauls the defense every off season and intruduces about 15-20% of new plays EVERY YEAR in camp.

i really hope people do some research on the matter.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8428129/dick-lebeau-evolution-coverage-tactics-zone-blitz

Fire zones are essentially three-deep coverages, and offenses have known how to attack three-deep coverages for years. There are two common methods of doing so. The first is sending four receivers vertical, with the idea being that three deep defenders shouldn't be able to play four deep receivers. The second is sending the outside receiver vertical while the tight end or slot runs a deep out or a curl/flat combination. The pattern-match fire zone therefore is specifically designed to handle these tactics. Broadly speaking, these "SCF/Seam" or "Bronco" defenders will play man-to-man on the second receiver from the sideline so long as he runs vertically down the seam or runs a deep out of any kind. If the receiver breaks hard to the inside, the Bronco defender passes him off to the inside defenders and looks for another receiver coming through his zone.

"SCF" and "Seam" are the two most common methods of teaching this technique. "SCF" stands for Seam-Curl-Flat, and literally tells the defender the order of his priorities: Watch the seam, drop to the curl area, and let the quarterback's throw take you to the flat. The SCF technique is played from inside to out.

The "Seam" technique, which is Dick LeBeau's now-preferred method, works much the same way as SCF, only from the outside in. The theory is that in the NFL, if the defender isn't aligned to the outside, the quarterbacks are so good that they will hit the out-breaking routes all day. The "Seam" technique also has implications for how and when defenders will switch off certain receivers, but, just like a matchup zone in basketball, more important than the scheme is the communication and discipline used to make it go.

The upshot of pattern-match zone blitzes is that when executed correctly, they are the best of all possible worlds: They're attacking, multi-defender blitzes in which the defense plays zone coverage against pass patterns designed to beat man-to-man coverage against pass patterns — all verticals — designed to defeat zones.



farrior, clark and polamalu are/were the communicators....

FanSince72
10-02-2012, 02:29 PM
unFREAKINGbeleivable :doh:


*sniffle* [wiping tears away]

thats a beautiful story, man. did you come up with that riding off into the sunset fairy tale all by yourself?

i might actually buy into your wildly speculative and make believe theory if it want 100% false and disputed by about every single steelers defensive player who freely admits that lebeau overhauls the defense every off season and intruduces about 15-20% of new plays EVERY YEAR in camp.

i really hope people do some research on the matter.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8428129/dick-lebeau-evolution-coverage-tactics-zone-blitz



farrior, clark and polamalu are/were the communicators....

Hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

And of course you know what they say about opinions... :sofunny:

Are you still going to be saying the same things when LeBeau has to blow into a tube to make his wheelchair move up and down the sidelines? Because it sounds as if you're one of those folks who thinks he should be here until they can't detect a pulse.

It's funny that you should use 15 to 20% as a figure because that's about how much I feel that LeBeau's NUMBER ONE DEFENSE has dropped off in each of the last three years or so.

(could be those new plays) :noidea:

tony hipchest
10-02-2012, 02:44 PM
i would hardly call knowledge of the playbook "my opinion" :noidea:

http://blitzology.blogspot.com/2010/04/seam-drop.html

(complete with diagrams and actual playbook from 10 yrs ago)

The "Seam" drop I am referring to is technique of the player who is dropping over the #2 receiver in a 3 under 3 deep fire zone coverage. I have also heard this drop called Scif, Bronco, and Deuce. Regardless of the name, the execution of this technique has a direct correlation to the effectiveness of a team's fire zone pressure package.
The following is a breakdown of the Seam drop that is explained in Dick Lebeau's playbook from the 2002 Cincinnati Bengals. To begin Lebeau defines Seam on page 20 of the .pdf in the Secondary Coverage Terms section of the playbook as "Outside in technique on #2. Must carry vertically or to the flat. (Fire Zone Term)". Later Lebeau gives 3 coaching points for the seam drop in the Fire Zone Coverage Rules section of the playbook on page 144 of the .pdf.

"SEAM TECHNIQUE"

COLLISION FROM OUTSIDE - IN
CARRY ANY SEAM ROUTE UPFIELD UNTIL RECEIVER ATTEMPTS TO CROSS YOUR FACE FROM INSIDE OUT (Exception: Slash Release)
ALWAYS COME OFF ON #3 RECEIVER CROSSING YOUR FACE TO FLAT

just as i am entitled to MY opinion, everyone else here is entitled to an educated opinion as well.

in just 3 games we have already seen the new "penny" defense, FACT "big snackle" [as i call it] (NT stays in for big nickle packages), FACT and i am certain there were sub-packages of big nickle utilizing sean spence instead of 3 safeties.

but yeah, lebeau is too lazy and set in his ways to adapt. :chuckle:

:dang:

FanSince72
10-02-2012, 06:11 PM
i would hardly call knowledge of the playbook "my opinion" :noidea:

http://blitzology.blogspot.com/2010/04/seam-drop.html

(complete with diagrams and actual playbook from 10 yrs ago)



just as i am entitled to MY opinion, everyone else here is entitled to an educated opinion as well.

in just 3 games we have already seen the new "penny" defense, FACT "big snackle" [as i call it] (NT stays in for big nickle packages), FACT and i am certain there were sub-packages of big nickle utilizing sean spence instead of 3 safeties.

but yeah, lebeau is too lazy and set in his ways to adapt. :chuckle:

:dang:


Are you trying to convince me, or convince yourself?

Tell you what; when LeBeau can come up with something that can get a team off the field when they're facing 3rd and 12 instead of allowing them an open receiver to whom even I could complete a pass, then I'll believe that he's still got it. :applaudit:

But for now, I'm still waiting...

tony hipchest
10-02-2012, 06:38 PM
i dont think i need to convince anyone that the grass is green, the sky is blue, and the assertion that lebeau is mailing it in, is assinine.

FanSince72
10-02-2012, 10:41 PM
i dont think i need to convince anyone that the grass is green, the sky is blue, and the assertion that lebeau is mailing it in, is assinine.

And you also don't have to convince anyone that denial ain't just a river in Egypt either.

tony hipchest
10-02-2012, 11:19 PM
And you also don't have to convince anyone that denial ain't just a river in Egypt either.

im not the one pretending 31 teams have figured out lebeaus defense and is suddenly "mailing" it in simply because the steelers have lost a total of 46 games in the past 9 seasons that he has been coordinator. :noidea:

feel free to "deny" you are out of touch with reality all you want. :cheers:

i get it... its hard to accept that dozens of players and several handfulls of coaches and FO personnel know more as fact, than what you "think" you know.

Well I haven't trusted this system for the last few years.

It's stale, it's old, it's been solved by every team in the league

:toofunny:

thats all.

FanSince72
10-03-2012, 11:15 AM
im not the one pretending 31 teams have figured out lebeaus defense and is suddenly "mailing" it in simply because the steelers have lost a total of 46 games in the past 9 seasons that he has been coordinator. :noidea:

.

It's interesting that you would quote wins and losses in defense of LeBeau.

The reason I say that is because when we had another coordinator who won 55 regular-season games, 5 post-season games, posted five straight winning seasons, went to 2 Super Bowls and won 1 of them, YOU were leading the charge to have him hanged in Market Square.

It's ironic that LeBeau can be defended based upon "W's" while Arians - with even more "W's" in a career that was four years shorter than LeBeau's gets run out of town on a rail.



Fascinating.


But hey, what do I know right? :noidea:

tony hipchest
10-03-2012, 11:23 AM
right.

to put lebeau and arians on equal levels when it comes to coaching talent is all the proof anyone should need to see that you are wrong.

...imo of course :chuckle:

defence
10-03-2012, 01:38 PM
It's interesting that you would quote wins and losses in defense of LeBeau.

The reason I say that is because when we had another coordinator who won 55 regular-season games, 5 post-season games, posted five straight winning seasons, went to 2 Super Bowls and won 1 of them, YOU were leading the charge to have him hanged in Market Square.

It's ironic that LeBeau can be defended based upon "W's" while Arians - with even more "W's" in a career that was four years shorter than LeBeau's gets run out of town on a rail.



Fascinating.


But hey, what do I know right? :noidea:


Bingo!!!:drink:

tony hipchest
10-03-2012, 04:16 PM
It's ironic that LeBeau can be defended based upon "W's" while Arians - with even more "W's" in a career that was four years shorter than LeBeau's gets run out of town on a rail.

so now arians has accumulated more wins as the steelers coordinator than dick lebeau has? lmao!

how is that even possible?

oh, thats right....

it was arians who led his team to a 15-1 record with a rookie qb (i guess we can expect arians to do it again this year with andrew luck).

it was arians who became the first wild card team to win 4 games on the road (including the superbowl) while knocking off the top 4 statistically ranked defenses in the league.

it is arians that has been coaching for 40 years and is in the HOF.

it is arians who has consistantly lead the league (or atleast been top 5 for all major statistical categories for his unit such as yards gained and points scored.)

it is LEBEAU who road his coat tails lingering around with a ranking of "top 25" for points allowed and yards against.

got it! but in the alternate reality that everybody else lives in, it was arians who was pushed out the door, paying immediate dividends of greater time of possession, more yards, more points, less sacks and a qb off to his best career start.

all my "opinion" of course. :chuckle:

tony hipchest
10-03-2012, 04:24 PM
lebeau is still coaching (not mailing it in or half assing it) because he loves teaching, is one of the best in the business in it, and considers it fun.

Phillip B Wilson‏@pwilson24
#Colts Arians says he probably would get out of coaching if he couldn't call plays. "That's all the fun," he said.


arians didnt teach anyone shit, and pouts when told he's gonna have to let ben run some more no-huddle.

Steelersfan87
10-03-2012, 04:39 PM
When the offense is consistently in the bottom half in scoring offense and the defense is consistently in the top 5 in scoring defense, it's reasonable to say that the defensive coordinator did more to win games than the offensive coordinator did...

FanSince72
10-03-2012, 05:27 PM
When the offense is consistently in the bottom half in scoring offense and the defense is consistently in the top 5 in scoring defense, it's reasonable to say that the defensive coordinator did more to win games than the offensive coordinator did...

See, this is why I don't put any stock in statistics because all of the gaudy numbers in the world don't amount to a hill of beans when we can't get a team off the field when we have to.

And that's exactly what the problem is.

We are a great first-half team and that's probably where most of those numbers come from.

But in the second-half of a game (when it really counts because the other team has made their adjustments), our statistically NUMBER ONE DEFENSE couldn't stop an asthma attack. We're consistently outplayed by even mediocre offenses and we allow way too many teams to stick around way too long and that's been costing us more and more over the last few years.

I know that some players are getting old, but it's not the entire defensive squad, so there must be some other reason why we can't seem to end a game without a bunch of unnecessary drama - and that points squarely towards the coaching.

FrancoLambert
10-03-2012, 05:37 PM
Some criticism of LeBeau's scheme is justified. (ie. press coverage over cushion)
But to state that Arians's career as Steeler OC contributed more to the success of this team than LeBeau's role as DC is absolutely ridiculous.
I don't care how many W's / L's are involved and attributed to either.
Taken as a whole, DL's career was a blessing for this team.
Can you say the same for BA?
C'mon, you know the answer, that's an easy one.

SteelHaven
10-03-2012, 06:12 PM
Lebeau had a great career and I don't believe anyone is criticizing what he has done and nor should they. He will be remembered as one of the best in the game (and for the Steelers). But no matter how great a coach, sometimes when someone is in there too long, its too long. Things get stale and guys stop listening. 75 years is too old to be coaching for anyone's health no matter how good they are in my opinion

tony hipchest
10-03-2012, 07:07 PM
...that's been costing us more and more over the last few years.


meanwhile, in the land of reality, all the steelers have been doing for the last few years is winning divisions, going 12-4 and going to superbowls.

i guess it was arians offense that held opponents to an average of 10 points a game, last year at home.

i guess it was arians offense driven by charlie batch that gave the team a 3-1 start during bens suspension prior to our sb run the year before...

its funny how arians could live up to some peoples standards of offensive mediocrity, but lebeau cant live up to the same peoples standards of defensive perfection.

even the 70's steelers had a dynamic and powerful offense.

Edman
10-03-2012, 09:34 PM
Arians Offenses were not big contributing factors to our SB runs. Our Offense was putrid in 2008 and mediocre in 2010. Defense was the driving factor for our wins and SB appearances. We knew damn well our Offense wasn't going to win games.

It's not really the case anymore. This time our Offense is doing it's fair share, but now the Defense has turned into a seive. 31 points is more than enough to win many games in the NFL, but here comes our Defense surrendering 34 and blowing not one, but TWO 10-point leads the Offense has given them against Oakland. A Mediocre Defensive performance wins the game in Oakland, but the D decided to be AWFUL that day.

The Steelers finally have a solid offense that can score, but now the Defense has dropped off a cliff. When you have a Defense that sucks, the Offense has be to top-tier (Patriots, Packers), and while ours is much improved, it's nowhere near top of the line.

Good Offense and Awful Defense equates to a lot of losses.

tony hipchest
10-03-2012, 09:43 PM
so there you have it folks...

one loss to the raiders and our defense has gone from one of the best to

" awful"

"for a few years now"

never mind that our last 3 road games were tough trips in tough stadium w/o guys like polamalu, clark, farrior, smith, hampton, keisel AKA our defensive stallwarts.

ricardisimo
10-03-2012, 11:00 PM
You're living in the past, Tony. Welcome to our dreary future.

Bayz101
10-04-2012, 12:08 AM
:panic:

GoFor7
10-04-2012, 01:06 AM
Okay, I have an idea for a new scheme......

Have one of the DBs go out on the field completely naked. That should either a) distract the QB enough for a pass rusher to make a play, or b) force the QB to look the other way, thus taking away half the field.

jiminpa
10-05-2012, 01:32 AM
Back to the OP.
"Sometimes, you can get caught up in just trying to play hard and aggressive, but you’re not trusting the defense. Not the other players, but the defense. And that can’t happen. The bottom line is that we have to make a play when we get a chance."

Look at what Foote actually said without some hack reporter telling you he said something else. "Sometimes, you can get caught up in just trying to play hard and agressive,..." let that sink in for a second, "...but you're not trusting the defense." He's saying, (since we have already been told what to read into the quote), that it's easy to get caught up in playing and lose sight of the big picture. There was nothing there about any player losing trust in LeBeau. That was what the reporter told us to think with the headline and then his four paragraphs of pure b.s. spin.

And some of you sound just like this lying yutz reporter.