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tony hipchest
10-03-2012, 11:15 PM
seemed like a fairly tame, uneventful, and somewhat repectful debate (despite the replacement ref jim leher in place of the locked out mod).

absolutely no fireworks.

i thought obama coulda done better. he seemed bored and kinda annoyed to be there. looked like he was reading tweets and texts on his IPhone while romney was speaking. woulda helped to appear a bit more engaged.

romney did much better than i thought he would (not that my bar for him was set much higher than a grasshoppers knees) and seemed very well prepared.

although he was articulate and well spoken, i think he was just off on many of his points.

i dont think any more people came away hating him than already did.

i would say watching the nfl networks third installment of bill belichick "A Football Life- The 1995 Cleveland Browns" featuring the one and only Bill Belichick (starring bill belichick ) was much more entertaining. :thumbsup:

PATS16N0
10-03-2012, 11:58 PM
I hate them both.
Been voting for the lesser of two evils my entire adult life.

Never again.

PATS16N0
10-03-2012, 11:59 PM
GDI I missed a Belichick centered `A Football Life`?!
M$&#^ER F&#^ER!

cubanstogie
10-04-2012, 12:03 AM
Obama seemed lost without a teleprompter. Romney pounded on him, probably won't matter with all the people Obama giving food stamps to.

tony hipchest
10-04-2012, 12:26 AM
Obama seemed lost without a teleprompter. Romney pounded on him, probably won't matter with all the people Obama giving food stamps to.food stamps? thats chump change. GOP looks at that like setting out roach baits in their mansions.

romney is going to make it rain to the tune of 5 trillion dollars. how many yacht stamps and private jet stamps do you look to get if he is elected?

cubanstogie
10-04-2012, 12:40 AM
food stamps? thats chump change. GOP looks at that like setting out roach baits in their mansions.

romney is going to make it rain to the tune of 5 trillion dollars. how many yacht stamps and private jet stamps do you look to get if he is elected?

you bought that line of BS about 5 trillion just like the line about hope and change 4 years ago. One thing Obama has proven is he can sell ice to eskimos. I am middle class and not for a minute believe Obama when he said he saved me 4300 or whatever the figure was. I lost 800 in a tax credit he let go and will be taxed on my 1600 a month heath care plan I get from work when his Obama care is passed. Funny too that Obama had the audacity to criticize Romney about being vague when he ran on hope and change in 2008. Funny chit. Don't you libs get tired of getting lied to.

Bayz101
10-04-2012, 12:45 AM
Obama's performance was pure shit tonight and I haven't heard anyone compliment him on it yet. Not that it matters. He WILL be president again.

tony hipchest
10-04-2012, 01:02 AM
you bought that line of BS about 5 trillion just like the line about hope and change 4 years ago. One thing Obama has proven is he can sell ice to eskimos. I am middle class and not for a minute believe Obama when he said he saved me 4300 or whatever the figure was. I lost 800 in a tax credit he let go and will be taxed on my 1600 a month heath care plan I get from work when his Obama care is passed. Funny too that Obama had the audacity to criticize Romney about being vague when he ran on hope and change in 2008. Funny chit. Don't you libs get tired of getting lied to.

so romneys flip-flop on his 5 trillion dollar tax cut went right over your head as well?

so you were being given $800 that you are no longer being given? doesnt sound like its lost at all to me. :hunch:

sucks you have to pay taxes on a health care plan you were GIVEN at work. i have to as well. :hunch:

my company also started making me pay taxes on the brand new 2010 chevy tahoe i have been driving around in and the gas i use.

WHAAAAA!!!!!!!!! woe is me!!!!!!

poor meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

:rolleyes:

Atlanta Dan
10-04-2012, 08:02 AM
Obama's performance was pure shit tonight and I haven't heard anyone compliment him on it yet. Not that it matters. He WILL be president again.

Agreed he was listless again like he was in his acceptance speech at the Dem convention -maybe he has a thyroid problem?

Do not agree this will not matter - the country was looking for an excuse to fire Carter but did not decide to do so until Reagan kicked his ass in the debate - same dynamic could start happening here

Atlanta Dan
10-04-2012, 08:38 AM
i would say watching the nfl networks third installment of bill belichick "A Football Life- The 1995 Cleveland Browns" featuring the one and only Bill Belichick (starring bill belichick ) was much more entertaining. :thumbsup:

I had forgotten how much of the Ravens organization was rooted in the Belichick regime at Cleveland - no surprise why the Patriots and Ravens are the 2 organizations I despise (although I cannot blame Belichick for Harbaugh) :chuckle:

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 09:34 AM
Huffington Post headline:

“Romney Wins The Night”


BWAhahahaha

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 09:38 AM
MSNBC hosts wondered whether President Obama lost last night's debate to Mitt Romney because he was unable to use a Teleprompter:


MSNBC: 'The President Had No Teleprompter Last Night'

"There's another element here that perhaps should be under discussion: The president had no Teleprompter last night," said MSNBC host Mike Barnicle.

"He speaks almost all the time off of a Teleprompter. Forced now to stand on his feet after years in the bubble, getting pushed back a little, he didn't do too well. He didn't do too well."

"Alright, even Bill Maher had to point that this was a rough one for the president, he tweeted this:

'i can't believe i'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter,'" another host, Mika Brzezinski, added

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/msnbc-president-had-no-teleprompter-last-night_653585.html

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hahahahahaha

steelax04
10-04-2012, 09:52 AM
I hate them both.
Been voting for the lesser of two evils my entire adult life.

Never again.

I agree... Gary Johnson it is for me.

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 10:04 AM
ROMNEY WINS DEBATE BY A MILE

It was a slaughter.

Barack Obama was left in pieces on the stage, destroyed by a Mitt Romney who was smarter, bolder, better informed and more genial.

It was the melt down of a presidency.

If you watched it yourself.

If you saw the debate yourself, if you heard what was being said, it was an amazing display of disparity. Seldom have two politicians been more mismatched.

If you watched it yourself.

But if you listened to the “reporters” after, or if the first you hear is on the “news” this morning, you will undoubtedly hear a different story. The commentary through the night, the first blogs and columns to move across the wire, have all been Obama propaganda.

But the night was Romney’s.

And Mitt was on fire.

It was the performance of a lifetime exactly when it was needed. Romney proved the master of every subject, with a steady stream of data and principle. His criticisms were specific, his suggestions were specific, his victory was clear.

In my 30-plus years of watching presidential debates, I have never seen a more substantive or lopsided presidential debate. Jimmy Carter did better against Ronald Reagan than Barack Obama did against Mitt Romney.

A lot was said, but it was virtually all said by Mitt Romney.

Astoundingly, the leader of the Democratic Party was incapable of advancing or defending either the principles of his party or the actions of his administration. And the guy written off by the evening news was masterful, mature and clearly in charge.

Romney didn’t stutter, he didn’t stumble, he didn’t get off message. And everything he said made Obama look small by comparison.

And a shock went through the Democratic Party.

They are going to lose.

And America is going to win.

If Americans saw it themselves. If they use their own judgment, instead of swallow the lies of the press.

It was a slaughter

Romney won, and Obama was a deer in the headlights.

http://www.boblonsberry.com/writings.cfm?go=4

cubanstogie
10-04-2012, 10:06 AM
so romneys flip-flop on his 5 trillion dollar tax cut went right over your head as well?

so you were being given $800 that you are no longer being given? doesnt sound like its lost at all to me. :hunch:

sucks you have to pay taxes on a health care plan you were GIVEN at work. i have to as well. :hunch:

my company also started making me pay taxes on the brand new 2010 chevy tahoe i have been driving around in and the gas i use.

WHAAAAA!!!!!!!!! woe is me!!!!!!

poor meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

:rolleyes:
woe is me was not the point. I was pointing out Hussein is a LIAR. I am middle class and am not getting breaks he was talking about. 800 less dollars means I get less and I will be paying more taxes due to tax on healthcare. I was not feeling sorry for myself, I do fine. Just pointing out you man is full of chit.

Vincent
10-04-2012, 10:07 AM
Carville: ‘Mitt Romney came with a chainsaw’ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/carville-mitt-romney-came-with-a-chainsaw/)

The Kenyan came with a smirk.

dKMUHcgsbag

Vincent
10-04-2012, 10:23 AM
“Romney was able to ‘out-Obama’ Obama. On the connection piece, on the authenticity piece, on the being able to tell the story.”

Van Jones, marxist, radical, and hater of all things American and good - 2012 (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/10/03/van-jones-romney-was-able-to-out-obama-obama/)

Bayz101
10-04-2012, 10:27 AM
Was Obama taking notes from Romney? :chuckle:

tony hipchest
10-04-2012, 10:31 AM
Was Obama taking notes from Romney? :chuckle:

it wasnt a good show (especially with the smirks). it looked like he was reading tweets from the new @FiredBigBird account.

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 10:32 AM
I love the smell of liberal heads exploding in the morning.

ha ha

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s362/carriage_hill/romeny-debate-empty-chair_zps19b0b50d.jpg

Bayz101
10-04-2012, 10:33 AM
it wasnt a good show (especially with the smirks). it looked like he was reading tweets from the new @FiredBigBird account.

Did you follow Big Bird yet? I'll be disappointed if that's a no. :flap:

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 10:47 AM
butt hurt?

ha ha

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/564401_4521552593886_390056971_n.jpg

tony hipchest
10-04-2012, 10:51 AM
Huffington Post headline:

“Romney Wins The Night”


BWAhahahaha

Got Gatorade?

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SteelCityMom
10-04-2012, 10:57 AM
Meh, I wasn't impressed with either.

Romney looked like he was more prepared for the questions, that's about it. Neither has a solid plan to reduce gov't spending or lower the deficit in the near future.


The bad news from last night's debate affects those of us who suit up for neither Team Red or Team Blue and the 60 percent majority who feel government is already trying to do too much. Debate moderator Jim Lehrer constantly drew attention to the notion that Obama and Romney were in fundamental disagreement over the size, scope, and function of government. That they had radically different visions for the United States when it came to the issues under discussion. The candidates gamely obliged, saying yes to each invocation of hard-core splits.

But such claims were nowhere to be found in what the candidates were actually talking about. To be sure, Obama played the role of traditional liberal. He stressed a need to balance respect for free enterprise and freedom (the "genius" of America, he declared at one point) with a muscular vision of a large government that helped people out every day and in every way (he unconvincingly linked this vision to Abraham Lincoln's support for land-grant colleges during the Civil War). He openly embraced the phrase Obamacare to describe his signature legislative accomplishment from his first (only?) term in office. He defended Dodd-Frank financial regulations not so much on the grounds that it was good policy but that the only possible alternative was zero regulation. He talked about adding even more teachers (ostensibly paid for from the federal till) and never touching the old-age entitlements (Medicare, Social Security, and the large chunk of Medicaid that goes to seniors) that are bankrupting the country.

Romney pointed to all this and defined himself as having a boldly different vision, one that...supported the private sector and individual initiative and achievement and...a virtually indistinguishablly big government.

When it came to all the major spending elements in the federal budget, Romney is far, far more like Obama than he is different. When it comes to Medicare, his vision of "premium support" or vouchers with which seniors would buy care is so far off in the distance that it might as well not exist at all. Since 1975, Medicare spending per enrollee in real dollars has doubled even as the numbers of enrollees doubled. That's not in spite of reform efforts - it's because of them. The system is the problem.

Romney stressed that nobody anywhere near the age of 65 had anything to worry about, that things wouldn't change for them. Which is another way of saying that we will keep kicking the can down the road until there is no more road (and then we'll keep kicking it anyway). He stressed that he wasn't going to cut education funding. That we needed to keep plowing more dollars into defense spending (without mentioning the 70-percent-plus increase in real funding to the military over the last dozen years). That he wasn't going to repeal and replace "all" of Obamacare. His praise of his signature state-level health-care reform in Massachusetts is troubling, to say the least, given that state's massively expensive health care spending. That while Dodd-Frank was bad (and it is) he wasn't going to do away with all regulation. That he's going to help "small businesses," help kids go to college, and on and on.

In his campaign literature, Romney stresses that he will bring government spending - the single most-meaningful proxy for the size and scope of government - down to 20 percent of GDP "by the end of his first term" (Obama in contrast would spend over 22 percent). Let's leave aside some inconvenient facts for the current moment. Such as that Romney has never credibly indicated how he will accomplish that, especially given his repeated commitments to fully funding Medicare, Social Security, and defense spending at current or higher levels. Or that the Republican budget plan authored by his running mate Paul Ryan and passed by the House earlier this year forecasts federal revenues over the next decade as averaging just 18 percent of GDP, thereby guaranteeing 10 more years of deficits.

The plain fact is that even at 20 percent that level of government is far too much for us to afford. Since 1945, the federal government has managed to raise revenue equal to more than 20 percent of GDP precisely once - in 2000 - and that was in a year where the feds spent the equivalent of 18.2 percent of GDP (did we go hungry or unclothed or uneducated in 2000?). And that's assuming that Romney is actually able to deliver on numbers.

http://reason.com/archives/2012/10/04/romney-won-the-debate-but-will-the-count

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 11:17 AM
landslide


Romney Won First Debate, 67 Percent of Voters Say in CNN Poll

Oct. 3 -- Republican Mitt Romney won tonight’s first presidential debate with President Barack Obama, according to a CNN/ORC International poll of registered voters who watched the nationally televised event.

Sixty-seven percent of those surveyed said Romney fared better, compared with 25 percent for Obama, according to results aired on CNN after the match concluded.

Forty-six percent said they found Romney more likeable, compared with 45 percent for Obama, CNN reported.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Romney-Won-First-Debate-67-Percent-of-Voters-Say-3918441.php#ixzz28LMypz5i

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 11:31 AM
off the deep end


Gore blames Obama debate performance on Denver's altitude

Former Vice President Al Gore floated an interesting theory for President Obama's widely panned debate performance: Denver's thin air.

"Obama arrived in Denver at 2 PM today — Just a few hours before the debate started," Gore said Wednesday on his Current TV network.

"Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet and you only have a few hours to adjust -- I don't know," Gore said.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/gore-blames-obama-debate-performance-on-denvers-altitude-137503.html?hp=r1

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BWAhahahaha

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 12:14 PM
the hits keep on coming


Was this Obama's Jimmy Carter moment? President's woeful debate compared to 1980 TV disaster that handed Reagan victory

Barack Obama has been savaged over his performance in last night's presidential debate, with one commentator even suggesting that he was less effective than the hapless Jimmy Carter.

Even those who have been the President's most enthusiastic cheerleaders in the past lined up to denounce the evening as a 'disaster' for Mr Obama, and worried that Mitt Romney's resounding win would allow him to turn around his struggling campaign.

Prominent Obama fans denounced the President as 'off his game', saying the debate was 'a disaster' for the Democrats - and one even said, 'I don't know what he was doing out there.'

But perhaps the most stinging blow came from the Right, with one conservative commentator quipping: 'Not since Jimmy Carter faced Ronald Reagan has the U.S. presidency been so embarrassingly represented in public. Actually, that’s an insult to Jimmy Carter.'

Mr Romney was on the offensive during the debate in Denver, shining in what was arguably the most high-profile moment of his political career so far. 'This was a disaster for the President for the key people he needs to reach, and his effete, wonkish lectures may have jolted a lot of independents into giving Romney a second look.

'Obama looked tired, even bored; he kept looking down; he had no crisp statements of passion or argument; he wasn't there.' In a crushing verdict on the President's 'terrible' performance, Mr Sullivan concluded: 'He choked. He lost. He may even have lost the election tonight.'....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2212794/Presidential-debate-2012-The-new-Jimmy-Carter-Obama-slammed-supporters.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.h tml%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DToby%2BHarnden%2BIn%2BD enver

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the bottom line

Obama fell flat on his face without his teleprompter


{crickets}

ricardisimo
10-04-2012, 12:20 PM
I hate them both.
Been voting for the lesser of two evils my entire adult life.

Never again.
Thank you. More power to you. I'm trying to talk everyone I know into not voting at all. For years I tried registering people into third parties, but that's just a non-starter in this culture. Sadly I will be voting this year, but certainly not for these bozos.

I'm not quite sure what these two were supposed to "debate"... who sucks bigger dicks? Didn't watch, and glad for it.

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 12:21 PM
hahahaha


twitter time

-Obama will blame an anti-Mormon YouTube video for tonight's debate slaughter
-Quick, someone get a teleprompter! MAN DOWN! MAN DOWN!
-It's difficult to rehearse for a debate while you're on the back nine. I need a new caddy.
-Thought I could wing it... just like I did the past 4 yrs.
-My dog ate my notes. Then I ate my dog.
-How can I be expected to frame a proper Straw-man argument when my opponent is in the same room?
-I Got 99 Reasons and as soon as they give my teleprompter back, I'll tell you.
-I was trying deliver my speech, but this guy kept contradicting me with a lot facts. Numbers too. What was that about
-The MARIJUANA here in DENVER is much more potent than me & the CHOOM GANG bargained for!
-"Its those damn job-killing ATMs fault"
-An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts!

Vincent
10-04-2012, 12:32 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2212794/Presidential-debate-2012-The-new-Jimmy-Carter-Obama-slammed-supporters.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.h tml%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DToby%2BHarnden%2BIn%2BD enver

The beard thing...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/04/article-2212610-1556FDA9000005DC-722_964x631.jpg

Is this a picture of a loving couple on their 20th anniversary? Maybe a muslim couple.

:noidea:

MACH1
10-04-2012, 12:40 PM
Obama's spent four years being coddled and protected by the media and reporters. Last night is the first time somebody's dick slapped him on his record and he had no answers.

Atlanta Dan
10-04-2012, 12:45 PM
The beard thing...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/04/article-2212610-1556FDA9000005DC-722_964x631.jpg

Is this a picture of a loving couple on their 20th anniversary? Maybe a muslim couple.

:noidea:

Yeah - you are right again - Obama obviously is gay - maybe Daily Caller has the incriminating photos ready to go and that is why he was dazed and confused last night:noidea:

So I guess you want this kind of public passion from your candidates?

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/35749/original.jpg

When Gore nailed Tipper that was panned as being phony too:chuckle:

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 12:46 PM
Look at her - MOOch is pissed, Barry is in T R O U B L E!

http://www.redstate.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/10/PresidentialDebate.jpg

"You better not have screwed up my free vacations!"

Vincent
10-04-2012, 12:54 PM
When Gore nailed Tipper that was panned as being phony too:chuckle:

Wasn't the venue. Unless you're a sex crazed poodle (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/sex/al-gore-crazed-sex-poodle).

Tee hee (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KCXLGR6gNyE/TCP90QNEE4I/AAAAAAAAAQU/pnTJV1Z9Zxo/s1600/Manho_Al_Gore_Crazed_Sex_Poodle2.jpg).

Look at her - MOOch is pissed, Barry is in T R O U B L E!

One wonders how they might ever have been close enough to conceive.

http://www.davart.net/awg/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/michelle-obama-photo1.jpg

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 12:55 PM
Obama's spent four years being coddled and protected by the media and reporters. Last night is the first time somebody's dick slapped him on his record and he had no answers.

100% correct



Last night is the first time anybody had the balls to slam him on his record and his teleprompter had no answers.

steelax04
10-04-2012, 01:11 PM
The sad part is, like I said in another post, is that it's all about celebrating who won or lost the debate. The fact is, that when one of these bozos gets elected, we (the American people) are the ones that lose. We deserve to lose too, as we can make a true change if we wanted to.

Posting all of these cutsie pictures and right wingers this and left wingers that has nothing to do with fixing what's really broken... the two party system. It has Congress dead-locked (least productive Congress ever, I believe), and people touting how they are voting for Romney for the single, solitary reason to stop Obama from being re-elected. Everyone that's posting on the political topics sound like smart people... I just can't understand how you all stick so blindly to your Dem v. Rep banter and don't see that this is about something bigger than Obama and Romney.

The system is ****ed up and is in dire need of repair. If anyone on this board actually thinks we're going to get drastically different results if Romney is president, I think you're crazy. All those discussions on here about Obama adopting or recycling Bush's policies will turn into threads about Romney recycling Obama's policies.


With that being said, This is really about the fact that I just didn't have any cutsie photoshopped pictures to post. So carry on.

MACH1
10-04-2012, 01:20 PM
If voting fixed anything it would be illegal.

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 01:22 PM
the wheels are coming off now


Left feels Obama's pain after debate disaster

Even more delightful than the Wednesday night whoopin Mitt Romney put on Barack Obama was the pain expressed by left-wing media and other pundits clearly in shock at what was universally looked upon as the president’s disastrous performance.

National Journal Editor-in-Chief Ron Fournier passed off the destruction of the Golden Boy as “the curse of incumbency.” “Like many of his predecessors,” writes the longtime AP reporter, “President Obama fell victim Wednesday night to high expectations, a short fuse, and a hungry challenger.”

“I don’t know what he was doing out there. He had his head down, he was enduring the debate rather than fighting it,” lamented Chris Matthews about Obama’s style and all-round effort in the important first public view of the two candidates.

Bill Maher, one of a long line of liberal comedians who actually think themselves funny, went from months of trashing Mitt Romney to saying of Obama, “I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Obama looks like he does need a teleprompter.”

http://www.coachisright.com/left-feels-obamas-pain-after-debate-disaster/

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Jon Stewart Mocks Obama's 'Very Difficult Night,' Wonders If the President Isn't That Smart

The liberal freak out over Barack Obama's poor debate performance continued on Thursday morning. Left-wing comic Jon Stewart appeared on Good Morning America to lament the President's "very difficult night" and jokingly warn, "I'm concerned that he may not reelect us. He may walk away."

The comic even admitted Obama might not be as smart as he first imagined. Stewart mocked, "You know, I used to think the pauses, he was just trying to think of smaller words for the little brains to figure out what he was saying. This time, I really think the pauses were just, 'I like food.'...'My children are nice.'

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2012/10/04/jon-stewart-mocks-obamas-very-difficult-night-wonders-if-president-i

PATS16N0
10-04-2012, 01:27 PM
Anyone now anywhere online where I can watch A Football Life?

Atlanta Dan
10-04-2012, 01:41 PM
Anyone now anywhere online where I can watch A Football Life?

You can get it broken up in segments here

http://www.nfl.com/videos/a-football-life

Do a youtube belichick football life google and I am sure you can find someone who has posted the whole episode until the NFL copyright police track it down and scrub it off youtube:chuckle:

Art Modell and Bill Belichick - what a pair:banging:

Vincent
10-04-2012, 01:43 PM
This is really about the fact that I just didn't have any cutsie photoshopped pictures to post.

Here. Use this one (http://intolerantfox.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/gay-obama.jpg). Nobody's seen it for a while.

:drink:

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 02:32 PM
meanwhile, Hillary says...

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/483047_4619615819267_1012040099_n.jpg

"Huma who"?

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 02:34 PM
Record TV viewership for first Romney-Obama debate

"Over 65 Million watched the debate yesterday"


that's gonna leave a mark

BowCatShot
10-04-2012, 03:55 PM
I went to war to fight communists. Saw buddies of mine die. Now we got one(commie) in the White House. Unfriggenbelievable.

Atlanta Dan
10-04-2012, 03:56 PM
Record TV viewership for first Romney-Obama debate

"Over 65 Million watched the debate yesterday"


that's gonna leave a mark

Wow - Almost 58% of the 111 million who watched Giants-Patriots last February:thumbsup:

Democracy in action!

Since the debate was on virtually every channel except the Food Network I guess that means about 65.1 million had their TVs turned on from 9 - 10:30 EDT last night

The question is who was watching other than those who wanted to cheer on their guy?:noidea:

The election will be decided by voters who think when you are talking about Bowles-Simpson you are referring to the guys who made the Bartle & Jaymes wine cooler commercials in the 1980s - hard to say how many of the crucial "not decided" (not interested/not informed) voters tuned in last night

Vincent
10-04-2012, 03:58 PM
Record TV viewership for first Romney-Obama debate

"Over 65 Million watched the debate yesterday"

that's gonna leave a mark

And CNN is saying that 67% said Mittens won. Is anyone here good with math, or as the "president" said, arithmetic?

Boy, that Romney's an idiot. huh?

Romney suck!

tony hipchest
10-04-2012, 04:06 PM
now all of a sudden the righties love CNN....

:sofunny:

PATS16N0
10-04-2012, 04:06 PM
off the deep end


Gore blames Obama debate performance on Denver's altitude

Former Vice President Al Gore floated an interesting theory for President Obama's widely panned debate performance: Denver's thin air.

"Obama arrived in Denver at 2 PM today — Just a few hours before the debate started," Gore said Wednesday on his Current TV network.

"Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet and you only have a few hours to adjust -- I don't know," Gore said.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/gore-blames-obama-debate-performance-on-denvers-altitude-137503.html?hp=r1

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BWAhahahaha

A lot of people throw the word "crazy" around when labeling political leaders on the other side of the aisle. That said, Gore is crazy. He's mentally deranged. The things i've heard come out of his mouth tell me he's a very sick man. `Liberalism is a mental disorder` fits Gore to the bone. The man is not well.

Vincent
10-04-2012, 04:10 PM
'Liberalism is a mental disorder` fits Gore to the bone.

One size fits all liberals.

Romney suck!

PATS16N0
10-04-2012, 04:11 PM
You can get it broken up in segments here

http://www.nfl.com/videos/a-football-life

Do a youtube belichick football life google and I am sure you can find someone who has posted the whole episode until the NFL copyright police track it down and scrub it off youtube:chuckle:

Art Modell and Bill Belichick - what a pair:banging:

Good call. Found it on youtube. Thanks

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 04:12 PM
now all of a sudden the righties love CNN



If last night was a job interview, Obama failed


End of story

ricardisimo
10-04-2012, 04:19 PM
I went to war to fight communists. Saw buddies of mine die. Now we got one(commie) in the White House. Unfriggenbelievable.
Sorry, but that's not why you went to war, nor why they died; that was just a cover story and a sick, sick joke. And calling a corporate wh0re like Obama a communist stretches the English language to the breaking point.

tony hipchest
10-04-2012, 04:28 PM
If last night was a job interview, Obama failed


End of story

lol...

Got Gatorade?

perhaps lee evans can present him the bible to be sworn in on tomorrow, provided he doesnt drop it in the endzone.

and whats up with gore? . does obama have the sickle cell trait? did he have his gallbladder and spleen removed on air force 1 on the way home? did romney tebow on the stage after the debate? gore should just shut up and hope obama gets homefield advantage in the next debate.

theyre debate club geeks and desk jockeys not professional football players.

haha... you guys love the political tebow (always the most prepared, but cant hit the broadside of a barn w/ any of his policies).

they should play a game of 1 on 1 at the WH for the next debate. obama will take romney to the hole.

#WINNING!

Vincent
10-04-2012, 05:56 PM
Lazy.

xZGaVNDJ6Ew

And disengaged.

Atlanta Dan
10-04-2012, 05:56 PM
http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/pEdtk7IFxzWujudO5tsy4g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD02MTI7cT04NTt3PTQ0Mw--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-10-04T025706Z_1422773849_TB3E8A4087133_RTRMADP_3_USA-CAMPAIGN.JPG

Everyone loves Mitt:thumbsup:

Well - almost everyone

8-Year-Old Big Bird Fan To Mitt Romney: 'You Find Something Else To Cut Off!'

Eight-year-old Alabama resident Cecelia Crawford wasn't happy during the debate on Wednesday night when Mitt Romney said he would stop government funding for PBS.

On Thursday morning, she was still angry, so she wrote Romney a letter, sent along to The Huffington Post by her mother. Crawford wrote that she is a fan of "Sesame Street" and that it was her "favorite show on earth" when she was younger.

"When I grow up I'm going to get married and I want my kids to watch it so do not cut it off," Crawford wrote. "You find something else to cut off!"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/mitt-romney-big-bird_n_1940400.html?1349380463

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/801991/thumbs/r-MITT-ROMNEY-BIG-BIRD-large570.jpg

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 06:05 PM
She did have that "Aunt Ester" look about her


http://cdn.washingtonexaminer.biz/cache/r620-f366f40a01a5917f4c85c3c187874318.jpg
http://phillipphiles.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/sucka.jpg

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 06:09 PM
A lot of people throw the word "crazy" around when labeling political leaders on the other side of the aisle. That said, Gore is crazy. He's mentally deranged. The things i've heard come out of his mouth tell me he's a very sick man. `Liberalism is a mental disorder` fits Gore to the bone. The man is not well.

Wolverines!

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 06:12 PM
I went to war to fight communists. Saw buddies of mine die. Now we got one(commie) in the White House. Unfriggenbelievable.

Hua!

vote Republican across the board or admit you are a communist


that is all

silver & black
10-04-2012, 06:16 PM
The sad part is, like I said in another post, is that it's all about celebrating who won or lost the debate. The fact is, that when one of these bozos gets elected, we (the American people) are the ones that lose. We deserve to lose too, as we can make a true change if we wanted to.

Posting all of these cutsie pictures and right wingers this and left wingers that has nothing to do with fixing what's really broken... the two party system. It has Congress dead-locked (least productive Congress ever, I believe), and people touting how they are voting for Romney for the single, solitary reason to stop Obama from being re-elected. Everyone that's posting on the political topics sound like smart people... I just can't understand how you all stick so blindly to your Dem v. Rep banter and don't see that this is about something bigger than Obama and Romney.

The system is ****ed up and is in dire need of repair. If anyone on this board actually thinks we're going to get drastically different results if Romney is president, I think you're crazy. All those discussions on here about Obama adopting or recycling Bush's policies will turn into threads about Romney recycling Obama's policies.


With that being said, This is really about the fact that I just didn't have any cutsie photoshopped pictures to post. So carry on.

:applaudit:

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 06:19 PM
I demand entertainment


Is that too much to ask?


carry on

tony hipchest
10-04-2012, 06:34 PM
The beard thing...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/04/article-2212610-1556FDA9000005DC-722_964x631.jpg

holy cow... what kind of roids is drag queen ann on?

check out those beastly man calves! :horror:

you know shes gotta dick.... have some respect and put on a pants suit!

(and why is that little boy peeing in her butt?)

Fire Haley
10-04-2012, 06:55 PM
you know it's bad when........


Michael Moore: ‘John Kerry Is To Blame For Obama’s Debate Fail’!!!

President Obama’s advocates are looking for anything and everything they can find to pin the blame on for the incumbent’s poor debate performance in Denver last night.

Michael Moore, who fatalistically declared that he believes Mitt Romney will become president recently, has chosen a rather curious scapegoat: John Kerry.

Hey, at least he didn’t try to blame the altitude. (like Al Gore)

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2012/10/michael-moore-7-2-11-kc-e1349382023293.jpg

Is Bill Clinton coming in to sub for the next quarter? O! Wake up!

This is what happens when u pick John Kerry as your debate coach!

Anybody worried now? Get it the F together, Team Obama!

http://www.inquisitr.com/353355/michael-moore-john-kerry-is-to-blame-for-obamas-debate-fail/

ricardisimo
10-04-2012, 07:30 PM
You guys can play with this little erection of yours as much as you like, but it's going to go limp very soon. Corporate wh0redom combined with incumbency trumps all else.

That said, the thought of Obama losing does get me very excited as well. I can't wait until there's a Republican in office so that Democrats remember that war is bad, assassinating US citizens is bad, and giving free trillions to bankers is bad, and that they should be fighting these things, rather than doing CircleJerk du Soleil gymnastics trying to excuse it or explain it all away.

Yes, I think I'll go tug a few out right now while I can. :jerkit:

ricardisimo
10-04-2012, 09:13 PM
I'm a little baffled as to why these two - who should know better - still seem to want to give Obama some kind of benefit of some kind of doubt, when there's absolutely no doubt. Oh, and go tell the Afghanis and Pakistanis just how "passive" Obama is.

October 04, 2012
Passive-Aggressive Behavior in Denver
Presidential Stage Fright
by JOSHUA FRANK and JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
See the man with the stage fright
Just standin’ up there to give it all his might.
And he got caught in the spotlight,
But when we get to the end
He wants to start all over again.
– “Stage Fright,” The Band
The manifestations of last night’s presidential debate have finally set in and we can’t help but imagine how dull and annoying the celebration inside the inner sanctum of Romney’s camp must be. We can only hope that the lowly staffers and interns swarming around their Republican chieftains were sneaking off with their miniature bottles of booze to indulge in safe quarters away from the Mormon leader. We say this with experience as one of us knows first hand just how mundane a LDS soiree can be, having flirted with their offspring long ago.
Lunesta would have likely been more stimulating than Obama and Romney exchanging handshakes on issues ranging from Medicare to taxes. It was clear Obama, ill-prepared and perhaps on a sedative himself, was not expecting much in the way of competition. Typically reserved and aloof in front of the bright lights and big cameras, Obama was cool to the point of frigidity. Lost without his teleprompter, Obama stumbled over his talking points on numerous occasions. Romney on the other hand, with no stately matters on his desk as he awakens except to worry about the fluctuations of his blind trust, had been prepping for Obama for the past month. But even that doesn’t explain his hyper-aggressiveness. Perhaps someone slipped him his first cup of coffee in the Green Room.
As per usual, the Republican primary debates were far more entertaining, especially the early set, with Herman Cain, Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul on stage – expanding the discourse and humor far beyond the yawning Lehrer affair.
Which brings us to the moderator Mr. Jim Lehrer. If Obama looked sedate, moderator Jim Lehrer seemed pre-embalmed. This other Big Bird of PBS was forced to smirk as Romney assured him he’d pull the public funds from his salary. Less of a moderator and more like a grandfather that has too much arthritis to wrestle with the youngsters, Lehrer put forth one of the worst performances in presidential debate history. An inept and deferential interviewer, Lehrer failed to prod the two out of their comfort zones. Several times Lehrer assured the audience that, yes, indeed these two in fact differ (Even when, bizarrely, Obama admitted that he and Romney shared the same position on gutting Social Security–true no doubt, but you’d think that Obama would at least try to pretend their was space between their entrenched neoliberal positions.). A lot. How? Just take their word for it. Next question.
Real issues? Hardly. The topic of the night was allegedly domestic policy. You know, all those things that impact our daily lives. Romney loves coal. Obama supports it too, just a little less so. The deficit? Bad stuff. Taxes, that’s a necessary evil folks, so suck it up millionaires and let us spend. Is the economy on the rebound? We sure do love Wall Street, anyhoo. Obama couldn’t pounce, or worse, wouldn’t. Romney was in the driver’s seat for the whole 90-minute ride, with Lehrer and Obama in the backseat passing each other the bong. Pull the plug on PBS? No problem, just give me another pull on that thing, man.
Having more time to respond to the ‘questions’ proved to mean very little. Obama had a whole four extra minutes to attack Romney. But why didn’t he, you ask? Because Obama isn’t even quite sure how to attack or on what grounds he should proceed. He’s a passive-aggressive personality, with the emphasis on passive. (The aggression Obama reserves for the left-wing of his party, particularly black left wingers.) Typically Obama’s popularity and arrogance matter far more than any sort of tangible substance. Last night Mitt was the new jock in town – more arrogant and jacked up to drive his way to the hoop.
It’s certainly difficult to imagine that we are going to be forced to suffer through two more of these filthy galas – not counting the Biden/Ryan match coming up next week. Vice presidential spars are always far more contentious and palpable. With only one outing they will have more to prove and a better arena to do it in. Issues of course are of little matter, it’s pure fun and games.
Outside the debate last night in Colorado, two well-meaning progressive presidential candidates spoke with Amy Goodman in a mock debate format. Their points were made clearly and articulately. Jill Stein of the Green Party, as well as Mr. Independent Rocky Anderson, the former Mayor of Salt Lake City, were full of concerns (dismantle the big banks and end the wars, for starters) that need to be heard but never will as long as Jim Lehrer and the Commission on Presidential Debates conspire to exclude reasonable dissent.
No, the first of the three presidential debates was not a debate at all – it was a sign of just how tepid and boring presidential politics in our country have become. In a sense we all should be with those young Republicans enjoying libations. We just ought to be sipping ours for quite different reasons.

SteelCityMom
10-05-2012, 08:11 AM
For everyone tripping over themselves to praise anyone in the American Idol debates, take into account a few issues that were never mentioned.


1 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the Federal Reserve was not mentioned a single time.

2 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, Ben Bernanke was not mentioned a single time.

3 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, quantitative easing was not mentioned a single time.

4 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the term "derivatives" was not used a single time. Considering the fact that derivatives could bring down our financial system at any moment, this is an issue that should be talked about.

5 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, there was no mention of the millions of jobs that have been shipped out of the country. Considering the fact that both Obama and Romney have played a role in this, it is probably a topic they both want to avoid. Overall, the United States has lost more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities since 2001.

6 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, neither candidate mentioned that the velocity of money has plunged to a post-World War II low.

7 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the fact that the rest of the world is beginning to reject the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency was not mentioned a single time, but this has enormous implications for our economy in the years ahead.

8 - The fact that the Social Security system is headed for massive trouble was only briefly touched on during the debate. At the moment, there are approximately 56 million Americans that are collecting Social Security benefits. By 2035, that number is projected to grow to an astounding 91 million. Overall, the Social Security system is facing a 134 trillion dollar shortfall over the next 75 years. When are our politicians going to honestly address this massive problem?

9 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the nightmarish drought the country is experiencing right now was not mentioned a single time.

10 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the financial meltdown in Europe was basically totally ignored. But considering the fact that Europe has a larger economy and a much larger banking system than we do, perhaps someone should have asked Obama and Romney what they plan to do when the financial system of Europe implodes.

11 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, the student loan debt bubble was only briefly mentioned.

12 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, there was not a single word about the fact that the gap between the wealthy and the poor is now larger than it has been at any point since the Great Depression.

13 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, there was no mention of TARP (which they both supported at the time). Would they both bail out the big banks if another financial crisis erupted?

14 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, there was no mention of the economic stimulus packages (which they both supported at the time). Would they both want more "economic stimulus" if we entered another recession?

15 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, neither candidate talked about the fact that most of the jobs our economy is producing now are low income jobs. In fact, since the end of the last recession, 58 percent of the jobs that have been created are low paying jobs.

16 - In an hour and a half debate about the economy, neither candidate mentioned that more than 100 million Americans are enrolled in at least one welfare program run by the federal government or that more than half of all Americans are now at least partially financially dependent on the government. I can't blame Romney for avoiding this point though - he probably wanted to avoid the phrase "47 percent" at all costs.

Is this really the best that America can do?

Tens of millions of Americans tuned in hoping to become more informed about the candidates, and instead what they got was an hour and a half of tap dancing as Obama and Romney constantly tossed out buzzwords such as "education", "energy independent" and "middle class".

I honestly don't know how you can possibly have a debate about the economy without talking about the Federal Reserve, quantitative easing, the trade deficit, Europe or the decline of the U.S. dollar.

But it just happened right in front of our eyes.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/16-critical-economic-issues-that-obama-and-romney-avoided-during-the-debate

BowCatShot
10-05-2012, 08:37 AM
Sorry, but that's not why you went to war, nor why they died; that was just a cover story and a sick, sick joke. And calling a corporate wh0re like Obama a communist stretches the English language to the breaking point.

Only a fellow commie says a commie is not a commie.

Bayz101
10-05-2012, 09:48 AM
http://www.bite.ca/bitedaily/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/tin-foil-hat.jpg

Fire Haley
10-05-2012, 01:29 PM
Florida: Romney 49%, Obama 47%

Mitt Romney now has swung back into the lead in the first post-debate survey of the presidential race in Florida.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/florida/election_2012_florida_president

Fire Arians
10-05-2012, 01:59 PM
BDaA4WKoYEA

Fire Haley
10-05-2012, 02:18 PM
http://www.sodahead.com/temp/2012_10_04/22/0/0/1/0/0/1/0/6/2/obama_debate_butt_bandaged.jpeg

MasterOfPuppets
10-05-2012, 03:53 PM
I honestly don't know how you can possibly have a debate about the economy without talking about the Federal Reserve, quantitative easing, the trade deficit, Europe or the decline of the U.S. dollar.

But it just happened right in front of our eyes.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/16-critical-economic-issues-that-obama-and-romney-avoided-during-the-debate
you can bet your ass ron paul woulda been all over the Fed.
but hey we'll get the government we deserve and continue to circle the toilet bowl
i guess it doesn't matter anyway because the other 500+ scumbags in DC woulda thrown up barricades at every turn to make sure he didn't do anything that made sense or for the good of the country...:popcorn:

ricardisimo
10-05-2012, 05:45 PM
Only a fellow commie says a commie is not a commie.
Actually, only people with brains, a working knowledge of the English language, and even the most basic recollection of 5th grade social studies would say Obama is not a commie. And for the record I'm an anarchist. Few people hate communism quite as much as we do.

Fire Haley
10-05-2012, 06:08 PM
bwahahahaha

http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p542/profit_guy/121015_2012_p465_zps31dc62fb.jpg

Vincent
10-05-2012, 08:32 PM
Few people hate communism quite as much as we do.

A hatred we can share. :hug:

MACH1
10-05-2012, 08:44 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/564065_10151193877402446_1463707326_n.jpg

:sofunny:

Vincent
10-05-2012, 10:42 PM
7wLg7pdOXW8

tony hipchest
10-05-2012, 10:50 PM
:laughing:... wtf???

Fire Haley
10-06-2012, 12:15 PM
ICE T •✔@FINALLEVEL

Message to the President: "No weed before the next debate homie...."

Fire Arians
10-06-2012, 06:53 PM
Xwh8kWuire8

Fire Haley
10-07-2012, 08:19 AM
Birds of a feather

Chavez Vows To 'Stand By Iran'
After Oil Talks In Tehran, Venezuelan Leader Called 'Brother' By Ahmedinejad

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/Pb43905/PoliticalPhotos/Chavez-Ahmedinejad-image1847332g.jpg

CARACAS (Reuters) - With both presidents facing tight re-election fights, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez gave a surprise endorsement to Barack Obama on Sunday - and said the U.S. leader no doubt felt the same.

"If I was from the United States, I’d vote for Obama,” the socialist Chavez said"

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/Pb43905/PoliticalPhotos/Obama-Chavez-captphoto_124001797771.jpg

ricardisimo
10-08-2012, 02:50 AM
Birds of a feather

Chavez Vows To 'Stand By Iran'
After Oil Talks In Tehran, Venezuelan Leader Called 'Brother' By Ahmedinejad

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/Pb43905/PoliticalPhotos/Chavez-Ahmedinejad-image1847332g.jpg

CARACAS (Reuters) - With both presidents facing tight re-election fights, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez gave a surprise endorsement to Barack Obama on Sunday - and said the U.S. leader no doubt felt the same.

"If I was from the United States, I’d vote for Obama,” the socialist Chavez said"

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/Pb43905/PoliticalPhotos/Obama-Chavez-captphoto_124001797771.jpg
Thanks for the comparison. Doesn't bode well for Romney.


Venezuelan election officials: Chavez re-elected as president, defeats Capriles - CNN.com
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 11:31 PM EDT, Sun October 7, 2012
CNN.com

Caracas, Venezuela (CNN) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez was re-elected Sunday to a new six-year term, overcoming an energetic challenge by a candidate backed by an opposition coalition, according to nearly complete results announced by election officials.
Chavez, who has been president since 1999, defeated Henrique Capriles Radonski, whose campaign criticized the Chavez administration for inefficiencies, infrastructure shortcomings and corruption.
Chavez highlighted his accomplishments in housing, education and health initiatives and acknowledged he need to do more on crime and government bureaucracy.
With 90% of the ballots counted Sunday night, Chavez has 54.42% of the vote compared with 44.97% for Capriles, according to Tibisay Lucena, president of the National Electoral Council.
Chavez had secured 7.4 million votes and Capriles 6.1 million votes, election officials said.
The country saw one of its high participation rates in decades, with almost 81% of voters going to the polls, Lucena said.
In fact, some polls were kept open two hours after their scheduled closing because of lines of voters waited for ballots.



As throughout the day, the army was still deployed Sunday evening and was standing by throughout the country to ensure a peaceful and secure vote, said Maj. Gen. Wilmer Barrientos, commander of strategic operations command.
Earlier in the evening, Chavez thanked his campaign staff in a phone call aired on state-run television at mid-evening and asked people to remain calm until the election results were completed. Chavez said people were still voting in some places.
"Let us wait for the results patiently, calmly and prepare ourselves to accept the results whatever they may be," he said.
"This will be a triumph for democracy," he added. He asked that there be no violence.
Long lines began forming in the early morning hours at polling stations from remote regions of the Amazon to the bustling capital of Caracas.
One election official, Rosalin Montiel, told state-run television that polling stations in the municipality of San Francisco in the state of Zulia would remain open past the schedule closing time -- "until the last elector casts his vote."
Nearly 140,000 troops were deployed throughout the country to guard polls and keep the peace, state-run VTV reported.
By mid-afternoon, Barrientos reported 15 electoral offenses throughout the entire country, the Venezuelan military said on its Twitter account. No further details were immediately available.
After casting his ballot, Chavez called on Venezuelans to vote and remain calm.
"Have no doubt that we will respect the results, whatever they are. ... We have to recognize the results," he told reporters.
After casting his vote, Capriles said governors nationwide had reported "massive participation, demonstrating one more time that Venezuelans want to resolve our differences through democratic means."
He told reporters that "whatever the people say today, for me, is sacred," and said he would push for national unity after the results are released.
"There will be a winner. There will a president-elect. But there will not be a defeated people," he said. "Tomorrow, we are only one country, only one Venezuela. Tomorrow in the country there are many problems that we have to resolve. Problems do not wait."
On the eve of the election, Chavez -- who is facing the strongest challenge to his 13-year-rule -- stressed that the election would be free and fair and called on people across the political spectrum to "prepare emotionally" for Sunday's result.
"It won't be the end of the world for anybody," he said.
Chavez has dismissed his much younger challenger as a "fly" not worth chasing, when challenged to a debate earlier this year.
The president's critics were confident that Capriles could unseat the long-ruling leftist leader, a refrain previously heard before eventual defeats.
Yet the incumbent is a political survivor and remains popular at home. But there were signals, observers said, that this time Chavez really was on the ropes.
Chavez's influence over Latin America's left-leaning governments has often rankled the United States, Venezuela's largest trading partner. Venezuela is the fourth-largest exporter of oil to the United States. Despite that tight economic relationship, the two countries are not exactly close allies: Chavez often rails against the U.S. and its allies as "imperialists."
Further complicating the U.S.-Venezuela relationship is how Chavez is allied with Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, defended former Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi and has even offered his support for Syria's leader Bashar al-Assad.
At stake for Venezuelans is the ideological trajectory of their country.
Chavez, 58, has had more than a decade to implement his vision of 21st century socialism, a view that emphasizes use of state oil windfalls to fund social programs.
Observers say Capriles, 40, represents a moderate alternative.
He has vowed not to end the social programs that Chavez has set up, and he promises to fight corruption that has grown in the public sector.
The candidates offer two distinct paths to solve the problems that are on Venezuelans minds: decaying infrastructure, high crime rates and political polarization.
The election also drew voters from beyond the country's borders as thousands of Venezuelans living abroad lined up to cast their ballots at diplomatic offices.
In New Orleans, Louisiana, voters streamed into the Venezuelan Consulate. Many traveled by bus from Miami, where Venezuelan authorities closed a consulate in January after the United States expelled the office's top Venezuelan diplomat.
In Caracas, voters said they were happy to be casting their ballots.
"I'm really proud of the people, because everyone is cheerful about this event and I think there is a good feeling," said Jesus Betancourt, a 25-year-old student.
Standing outside the Caracas school where Chavez cast his ballot, Katherene Rivas said she hoped Venezuelans would respect the results.
"For now, everything is quiet here, and we want that after the results are announced, that people remain calm," she said.
Journalist Osmary Hernandez and CNN's Mariano Castillo, Paula Newton, Gustavo Valdes, Helena DeMoura, Patricia Janiot, Rafael Romo, Michael Martinez and Richard Singer contributed to this report.

Fire Haley
10-09-2012, 10:08 AM
Obama tanking!!!!

Andrew Sullivan is FREAKING out over Pew Poll





http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/did-obama-just-throw-the-entire-election-away.html


Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

The Pew poll is devastating, just devastating. Before the debate, Obama had a 51 - 43 lead; now, Romney has a 49 - 45 lead.

That's a simply unprecedented reversal for a candidate in October. Before Obama had leads on every policy issue and personal characteristic; now Romney leads in almost all of them. Obama's performance gave Romney a 12 point swing! I repeat: a 12 point swing.

Romney's favorables are above Obama's now. Yes, you read that right. Romney's favorables are higher than Obama's right now. That gender gap that was Obama's firewall? Over in one night:

Currently, women are evenly divided (47% Obama, 47% Romney). Last month, Obama led Romney by 18 points (56% to 38%) among women likely voters.

Seriously: has that kind of swing ever happened this late in a campaign? Has any candidate lost 18 points among women voters in one night ever? And we are told that when Obama left the stage that night, he was feeling good. That's terrifying. On every single issue, Obama has instantly plummeted into near-oblivion.

Vincent
10-09-2012, 10:35 AM
Obama tanking!!!!

http://partyhardpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/obama-toast.jpg

Why mince words?

Bayz101
10-09-2012, 10:41 AM
Definitely a big time shift, but if does even remotely well in the next debate he'll take another big lead. I'm not a fan of either Romney or Obama, but that's my opinion. Of course, I didn't think Romney would put up this much of a fight, either.

Atlanta Dan
10-09-2012, 11:50 AM
Obama tanking!!!!

Andrew Sullivan is FREAKING out over Pew Poll

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/did-obama-just-throw-the-entire-election-away.html

I am pretty sure that is the first time Drudge has ever headlined a blog entry from Sullivan:chuckle:

Sullivan is getting some pretty severe blowback from his readers

Right now you’re the top headline on Drudge. This is not OK

WOULD YOU PLEASE CHILL THE FU*K OUT?!:sofunny:

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/

By the end of the week I guess the Rasmussen poll will have Romney sweeping everything except the District of Columbia:noidea:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_swing_state_tracking_poll

Fire Haley
10-09-2012, 12:02 PM
On every single issue, Obama has instantly plummeted into near-oblivion

ha ha

can't wait for the..

"They stole another election!!!!"

Vincent
10-09-2012, 12:52 PM
"They stole another election!!!!"

It must be maddening to have taken in so much foreign cash, and have an obsequious media only to be rebuffed by the pesky electorate.

What are criminals to do?

Atlanta Dan
10-09-2012, 02:22 PM
What are criminals to do?

Contribute to the Romney campaign

Prompted by what they call regulatory attacks on their business and personal attacks on their character, executives and employees of Goldman Sachs have largely abandoned Mr. Obama and are now the top sources of money to presidential candidate Mitt Romney and the Republican Party.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444752504578024661927487192.html

ricardisimo
10-09-2012, 04:39 PM
:popcorn:

Vincent
10-09-2012, 05:12 PM
On every single issue, Obama has instantly plummeted into near-oblivion

Well, he still holds the moral high ground on campaign financing.

"I don’t think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests, and worse, by foreign entities."

—President Obama
2010 State of the Union Address

Oh (http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2509895/#.UHSSQaCDpVP) wait (http://freebeacon.com/foreign-funds/). Oops (http://campaignfundingrisks.com/wp-content/themes/cfr/images/AmericaTheVulnerable.pdf).

Fire Haley
10-10-2012, 08:48 AM
Suffolk Calls NC, VA, FL For Romney, Will No Longer Poll States

David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Research Center, says his polling organization will no longer take anymore presidential polls in the states of North Carolina, Virginia and Florida.

"In places like North Carolina, Virginia and Florida, we've already painted those red. We're not polling any of those states again. We're focusing on the remaining states"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/09/suffolk_calls_nc_va_fl_for_romney_will_no_longer_p oll_states.html

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"They stole the election again!!!"

Atlanta Dan
10-10-2012, 10:40 AM
Fox News anchor Bill O’Reilly seemed perplexed, and asked Paleologos if he was certain those three states were already in the bag for Romney.

“That’s right and here’s why. Before the debate, the Suffolk poll had Obama ahead 46 to 43 [in Florida] in the head-to-head number,” Paleologos responded. :noidea:

“A poor place to be for a couple of reasons. Number one, his ballot test, his head-to-head number was below 47 percent before the debate, and it’s very, very difficult when you have the known quantity, the incumbent, to claw your way up to 50. So that was a very, very poor place for him to be.”

“So we’re looking at this polling data not only in Florida but in Virginia and North Carolina and it’s overwhelming,” Paleologos concluded.

The latest Suffolk poll in Florida, taken before last week’s debate, showed Obama ahead 46 percent to 43 among likely voters.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/261189-pollster-pulls-out-of-fla-nc-and-va-says-obama-cant-win

So because Obama only had a small lead it means Romney is so far ahead that there is no need to poll for the next month?:sofunny:

Makes perfect sense

Fire Haley
10-10-2012, 12:18 PM
the hysterical left never fails to entertain


Angst grows among President Obama's supporters

First came the nausea. Then came the anxiety.

After months of watching Mitt Romney twist in the media glare, a growing number of President Barack Obama’s supporters — though confined for now to a noisy minority of liberals — are peering into the Obama-might-actually-lose abyss for the first time after last week’s disastrous first debate.

Some progressives seem to be going into primal panic mode — to the profound annoyance of the Democratic professional political class and an Obama campaign predicting a rebound at next Tuesday’s debate in Long Island.

“That’s my party: Irrational overconfidence followed by irrational despair,” quipped veteran Democratic political consultant Jim Jordan, summing up the view of Obama’s campaign and a half-dozen top Democratic aides interviewed for this story.

But a lot of Democrats are somewhere in between — they simply can’t believe Obama could be that bad again. Or could he?


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82226.html?hp=t1

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(sniffles)

peeing your pants already?

gotta love it

ricardisimo
10-10-2012, 01:44 PM
Fox News anchor Bill O’Reilly seemed perplexed, and asked Paleologos if he was certain those three states were already in the bag for Romney.

“That’s right and here’s why. Before the debate, the Suffolk poll had Obama ahead 46 to 43 [in Florida] in the head-to-head number,” Paleologos responded. :noidea:

“A poor place to be for a couple of reasons. Number one, his ballot test, his head-to-head number was below 47 percent before the debate, and it’s very, very difficult when you have the known quantity, the incumbent, to claw your way up to 50. So that was a very, very poor place for him to be.”

“So we’re looking at this polling data not only in Florida but in Virginia and North Carolina and it’s overwhelming,” Paleologos concluded.

The latest Suffolk poll in Florida, taken before last week’s debate, showed Obama ahead 46 percent to 43 among likely voters.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/261189-pollster-pulls-out-of-fla-nc-and-va-says-obama-cant-win

So because Obama only had a small lead it means Romney is so far ahead that there is no need to poll for the next month?:sofunny:

Makes perfect sense
Obama's slight lead is an "overwhelming" lead for Romney? :huh:

the hysterical left never fails to entertain


Angst grows among President Obama's supporters

First came the nausea. Then came the anxiety.

After months of watching Mitt Romney twist in the media glare, a growing number of President Barack Obama’s supporters — though confined for now to a noisy minority of liberals — are peering into the Obama-might-actually-lose abyss for the first time after last week’s disastrous first debate.

Some progressives seem to be going into primal panic mode — to the profound annoyance of the Democratic professional political class and an Obama campaign predicting a rebound at next Tuesday’s debate in Long Island.

“That’s my party: Irrational overconfidence followed by irrational despair,” quipped veteran Democratic political consultant Jim Jordan, summing up the view of Obama’s campaign and a half-dozen top Democratic aides interviewed for this story.

But a lot of Democrats are somewhere in between — they simply can’t believe Obama could be that bad again. Or could he?


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82226.html?hp=t1

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(sniffles)

peeing your pants already?

gotta love it

What "Left"? You mean Democrats?

Vincent
10-10-2012, 02:29 PM
the hysterical left never fails to entertain

(sniffles)

peeing your pants already?

gotta love it

Wonder if Mich is going to dump him (http://api.ning.com/files/Fq2UAYZkJB7egvPuDv**iKezwuaaFTi*hyFW*iv1b*B5IPQekZ nX161E6-Yv4SspvzxOpiQw1X1jTETCDehOxQCe8aBD462M/ObamaDebateMichelleOoops.jpg) after he loses. At that point, what is the point? (http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/trinity-church-members-reveal-obama-shocker/)

Atlanta Dan
10-10-2012, 03:31 PM
the hysterical left never fails to entertain

For depth of craziness the "left" cannot match the GOP in the South

This from Arkansas

In a 2009 self-published book, Representative Jon Hubbard of Jonesboro calls slavery a “blessing in disguise” for blacks, who otherwise would have still struggled as “African tribesmen” instead of becoming the citizens of “the greatest nation” on earth.

“The institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise,” Hubbard argues in Letters to the Editor: Confessions of a Frustrated Conservative. “The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of this Earth.”...

State Rep. Loy Mauch of Bismarck, Ark., has long made his feelings about slavery and the history of the South through his frequent letters to the editor to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, The Huffington Post reports. In a 2007 letter, Mauch described Abraham Lincoln as a “war criminal,” according to the AP. He also wrote in a 2009 letter that “Jesus Christ did condone slavery.”.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/09/arkansas-gop-candidates-lose-funding-over-racially-charged-campaign-comments/

More insights from Mr. Munch

If slavery were so God-awful, why didn’t Jesus or Paul condemn it, why was it in the Constitution and why wasn’t there a war before 1861?

I would like to thank this newspaper’s editorialist for publishing the tribute to Abraham Lincoln as well as his second inaugural address so that the readers can see for themselves what a fake this neurotic Northern war criminal truly was.

Nowhere in the Holy Bible have I found a word of condemnation for the operation of slavery, Old or New Testament. If slavery was so bad, why didn’t Jesus, Paul or the prophets say something?

This country already lionizes Wehrmacht leaders. They go by the names of Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, Custer, etc. These Marxists not only destroyed the Constitution they were sworn to uphold, but apostatized the word of God. Either these depraved infidels or the Constitution and Scriptures are in error. I’m more persuaded by the word of God

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/10/06/loy-mauch-update-the-republican-rep-is-on-record-on-slavery-too

And this from Tennessee

Pro-Life Congressman Recorded Himself Convincing Mistress to Get an Abortion

For some insane reason, tea-party Representative Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee taped himself pressuring his mistress into getting an abortion back in 2000, the Huffington Post reports today. DesJarlais, now a pro-life Republican congressman, was a doctor at the time, and met the woman when she had a foot problem during a rocky time in his marriage....

"You told me you'd have an abortion, and now we're getting too far along without one," DesJarlais tells the woman, according to a transcript of the recording obtained by HuffPo. "This is not fair to me. I don't want you in my life," the woman says. "Well, I didn't want to be in your life either, but you lied to me about something that caused us to be in this situation, and that's not my fault, that's yours," DesJarlais responds. The woman counters, "Well, it's [your] fault for sleeping with your patient."

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/scott-desjarlais-recorded-abortion-call-with-mistress.html

Vincent
10-10-2012, 04:04 PM
State Rep. Loy Mauch of Bismarck, Ark...

Ol' Lawrence was all wound up about Loy last night. He was fascinated with his name. Good TV. Ol' Lawrence doesn't seem to think much of Southern folk. They don't think much of him.

Hey, somebody elected Loy Mauch. But let us not fret over who the good people of Arkansas send to their statehouse. That is their prerogative. Lest the good people of Arkansas fret over who we send to our statehouses. That is our prerogative.

Is this a great country or what?

Atlanta Dan
10-10-2012, 04:37 PM
Ol' Lawrence was all wound up about Loy last night. He was fascinated with his name. Good TV. Ol' Lawrence doesn't seem to think much of Southern folk. They don't think much of him.

Hey, somebody elected Loy Mauch. But let us not fret over who the good people of Arkansas send to their statehouse. That is their prerogative. Lest the good people of Arkansas fret over who we send to our statehouses. That is our prerogative.

Is this a great country or what?

A friend of mine from Arkansas says that, given the State's low rankings in most subjects, the official state motto is "Thank God for Mississippi":chuckle:

tony hipchest
10-10-2012, 04:46 PM
i know they believe in keeping their race pure, and DONT believe in evolution or all the factual science that goes along with it, but when are these backwoods southeners finally going to realize that inbreeding is a bad thing that rots the brain from the get-go? :dang:

tony hipchest
10-10-2012, 05:22 PM
YEEHAW maw! Romey has jus won da polls an is gunna win da erectshun! grab my banjo! i gots to go to work unlike dem 47% ers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEhwIqmmEJY

Vincent
10-10-2012, 05:25 PM
A friend of mine from Arkansas says that, given the State's low rankings in most subjects, the official state motto is "Thank God for Mississippi":chuckle:

Careful. We had a 2 term president from there.

YEEHAW maw! Romey has jus won da polls an is gunna win da erectshun! grab my banjo! i gots to go to work unlike dem 47% ers!

Steady.

tony hipchest
10-10-2012, 05:31 PM
Careful. We had a 2 term president from there.



Steady.

that musta been 8 years of stayin at "heartbreak hotel" as another liberal destroyed the nation once again, huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTkUeb6zQFA&feature=related

Vincent
10-10-2012, 06:13 PM
that musta been 8 years of stayin at "heartbreak hotel" as another liberal destroyed the nation once again, huh?

That was two frightening years followed by six politically fascinating years. In retrospect, and by comparison to the last twelve, they were good years. But seeds of tumult were planted then that wreaked some of the havoc we deal with today.

In sum, the last 20 years and where we find ourselves today has been a bipartisan effort. Red meat to Ric's ears.

Atlanta Dan
10-10-2012, 06:58 PM
Watching this video of Clinton calling out Romney on his new debate persona of "Mitt the Moderate" compared to Obama's Ambien daze during last week's debate is like watching old Polamalu highlights and then seeing Mundy on the playing field

Bill Clinton To "Moderate" Mitt: "Where've Ya Been Boy? I've Missed You All These Last Few Years"

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CLINTON: I had a different reaction to that first debate than a lot of people did. I mean, I thought, “Wow! Here’s old Moderate Mitt. Where you been, boy, I missed you all these last two years!” But I was paying attention these past two years. And it was like one of these Bain Capital deals where, you know, he’s the closer. So he shows up, doesn’t really know much about the deal and says, “tell me what I’m supposed to say to close.” Now the problem with this deal is, the deal was made by Severe Conservative Mitt. That was how he described himself for two whole years. Until three or four days before the debate they all got together and said, “hey Mitt, this ship is sinkin’ faster than the Titanic… But people are still frustrated about the economy, they want it fixed yesterday, so just show up with a sunny face and say I didn’t say all that stuff I said for the last two years. I don’t have that tax plan I’ve had for the last two years, you gonna believe me or your lyin’ eyes here? Come on. What are you doin’?” And if I’d been the President, I might have said, “well, I hate to get in the way of this, I missed you.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/10/bill_clinton_to_moderate_mitt_whereve_ya_been_boy_ ive_missed_you_all_these_last_few_years.html

Vincent
10-10-2012, 08:42 PM
Bill Clinton To "Moderate" Mitt: "Where've Ya Been Boy? I've Missed You All These Last Few Years"

Bill was always fun to watch when he wasn't selling our nuclear secrets to the chinese (http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1999_cr/h990415-prc-spy.htm) or raping women (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/juanita.htm) or jizzing interns (http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/clinton/lewinskydress.html). What a stitch! Just another stunad from Arkansas. The bar was set very low.

In a reciprocal universe that gave us the Great Communicator, there had to be the great prevaricator.

ricardisimo
10-10-2012, 09:10 PM
Ol' Lawrence was all wound up about Loy last night. He was fascinated with his name. Good TV. Ol' Lawrence doesn't seem to think much of Southern folk. They don't think much of him.

Hey, somebody elected Loy Mauch. But let us not fret over who the good people of Arkansas send to their statehouse. That is their prerogative. Lest the good people of Arkansas fret over who we send to our statehouses. That is our prerogative.

Is this a great country or what?
It helps that Maunch is absolutely correct... at least about the bible and the Constitution. These were barbarians writing these documents, after all, probably very much like Mr. Maunch himself.

Vincent
10-10-2012, 09:32 PM
It helps that Maunch is absolutely correct... at least about the bible and the Constitution. These were barbarians writing these documents, after all, probably very much like Mr. Maunch himself.

You view the prophets of Israel and the founding fathers of the United States as barbarians? The irony of an anarchist calling men of order barbarians.

ricardisimo
10-10-2012, 11:21 PM
Yes, men of order, with slaves, slaughtering other nations, stoning their own daughters for getting raped, so on and so forth. Exactly why I am an anarchist. Irony not included.

Oh, what the hell... a little bit of irony from some other men of order:

http://bloggingblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/irony.jpg

Fire Haley
10-11-2012, 12:13 PM
The hysterical lefties have nothing left but to play the race card, that tells me that they are in full blown panic mode

MACH1
10-11-2012, 12:18 PM
The hysterical has nothing left but to play the race card, that tells me that they are in full blown panic mode

Panic mode is clinging to Big Bird for support.

tony hipchest
10-11-2012, 12:28 PM
The hysterical lefties have nothing left but to play the race card, that tells me that they are in full blown panic mode:coffee:

that almost might make a shred of sense if it wasnt the GOP thinktank constantly bringing up how obama would lose if he were white, and how slavery was a blessing in disguise. :tap:

Vincent
10-11-2012, 12:41 PM
that almost might make a shred of sense if it wasnt the GOP thinktank constantly bringing up how obama would lose if he were white, and how slavery was a blessing in disguise.

Evidently you came up after they stopped teaching kids that Lincoln freed the slaves.

Vincent
10-11-2012, 12:50 PM
Panic mode is clinging to Big Bird for support.

They're @#$%ing blue bricks because Suffolk (http://www.examiner.com/article/suffolk-university-polls-romney-to-win-florida-virginia-and-north-carolina)has pulled out of Florida, Virginia and North Carolina because they have determined that Romney has them in the bag.

Think about that. NC, a right to work state was chosen to host the DNC because the pos (http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2012/09/09/satan_finally_found_his_political_partythe_democra ts) reasoned that as NC went, so would the election. NC is solidly red at this point. Its over. And the Kenyan knows it. Vis is experiencing shrinkage.

Fire Haley
10-11-2012, 12:57 PM
The hysterical lefties have nothing left but to play the race card, that tells me that they are in full blown panic mode

ahhhhhhhhhh...here they come running


sing along!

grab your hymn books, #23



All hail the messiah!
Obama, Obama!
The path to our new socialist motherland!
Our savior, our savior!
Obama, Obama!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-G8jAWKa0Wscmq4hVXbM_CkWkqFfG6N7E_h_PJqjPBGIDm6lg

Atlanta Dan
10-11-2012, 01:10 PM
They're @#$%ing blue bricks because Suffolk (http://www.examiner.com/article/suffolk-university-polls-romney-to-win-florida-virginia-and-north-carolina)has pulled out of Florida, Virginia and North Carolina because they have determined that Romney has them in the bag.

Yeah - that decision by Suffolk is universally regarded as well grounded:noidea:

Pollsters Puzzle Over Suffolk’s Decision to Call Virginia, Florida, and North Carolina for Romney

Even Bill O'Reilly couldn't believe what he was hearing: David Paleologos, pollster for Suffolk University, was announcing on Fox News that he was pulling out of Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina for good. Romney, it seems, has them in the bag. "We’ve already painted those red, we’re not polling any of those states again,” Paleologos said.

This is an absolutely bizarre decision on its face. The Real Clear Politics polling average currently shows a tie in Florida, Obama up 0.3 percent in Virginia, and Romney up three in North Carolina. There's still nearly a month left until Election Day. How could a pollster possibly call those states for Romney?...


So Paleologos called Florida for Romney because their most recent poll showed Obama with a shaky lead. We're ... even more confused now.

Looking for some answers, we asked some of Paleologos's fellow pollsters what they thought of the decision. None of them had very flattering things to say.

"I think all three of those states are still toss-ups," Public Policy Polling's Tom Jensen told us. "We’ve already polled Virginia since the debate and Obama was up by 3. I don’t agree with his assessment, and I don’t know why he would have made it without even conducting any polling after the debates."

Gary Langer, who runs the ABC News/Washington Post poll, quipped tartly, "With that kind of foresight, we should find out who he likes in the fifth at Aqueduct."

SurveyUSA CEO Jay Leve was harsher. "This guy from Suffolk is obviously a jackass," he said.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/suffolk-poll-paleologos.html

Vincent
10-11-2012, 01:12 PM
sing along!

grab your hymn books, #23

All hail the messiah!
Obama, Obama!
The path to our new socialist motherland!
Our savior, our savior!
Obama, Obama!

Remember what these demons were doing to children (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80760932/)?

tony hipchest
10-11-2012, 01:54 PM
lmao...

the deliverance clip obviously hit a little too close to home.

"grab my banjo, maw... suffolk has painted da state red!"

:sofunny:

Atlanta Dan
10-13-2012, 05:03 PM
The hysterical lefties have nothing left but to play the race card, that tells me that they are in full blown panic mode

ahhhhhhhhhh...here they come running


sing along!

grab your hymn books, #23



All hail the messiah!
Obama, Obama!
The path to our new socialist motherland!
Our savior, our savior!
Obama, Obama!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-G8jAWKa0Wscmq4hVXbM_CkWkqFfG6N7E_h_PJqjPBGIDm6lg

Speaking of playing the race card

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intel/2012/10/13/13_RacistShirt.o.jpg/a_250x375.jpg

MasterOfPuppets
10-13-2012, 05:12 PM
uh oh...a spoiler





Gary Johnson Could Decide the Election as Romney and Obama Remain Locked in Ohio

Though it appears as though Republican challenger Mitt Romney is gaining (http://www.policymic.com/article/Gary%20Johnson%20Will%20Decide%20the%20Election%20 as%20Romney%20and%20Obama%20Remain%20Locked%20in%2 0Ohio) traction in the crucial battleground state of Ohio, ahead of this Tuesday's second presidential debate from Hofstra University in New York, the former governor of Massachusetts needs to look out not for one but for two foes who could narrow his path to the White House.
Gary Johnson, the overlooked Libertarian Party nominee for president, who has been denied access to the presidential debates for polling below the 15% mark nationally, could be a "disaster in the works" for Romney as his surge (http://www.policymic.com/articles/16114/gary-johnson-spoiler-latest-presidential-polls-show-a-third-party-disaster-in-the-works-for-mitt-romney) in The Buckeye State could take votes away from the GOP candidate come November (no Republican has won the presidency without winning in Ohio).

http://www.policymic.com/articles/16464/gary-johnson-could-decide-the-election-as-romney-and-obama-remain-locked-in-ohio

Fire Haley
10-15-2012, 01:45 PM
http://thelookingspoon.com/tlsimages/blog/2012/lindsay_lohan_endorses_romney.jpg

When even a twit like Lindsay Lohan can see the truth, Obama’s toast.

tony hipchest
10-16-2012, 10:39 AM
haha! Killer hearts Lohan!

You must be in sling after that reach... sorry you had to go there.

Lokki
10-16-2012, 11:13 AM
Wow.. she used to be hot.. what a train wreck she is now.

Atlanta Dan
10-16-2012, 12:55 PM
haha! Killer hearts Lohan!

You must be in sling after that reach... sorry you had to go there.

The media is going with Killer - apparently Lohan is the symbol of the clueless voters upon whom the election hinges

The Lohan Effect: Will Romney Get a Boost from Low-Information Voters?

As his standing in the polls improves, Mitt Romney is piling up public endorsements from a new cohort of voters: the celebrity-train-wreck set.

The latest celebrity to climb aboard the Romney bandwagon is actress and Page Six piñata Lindsay Lohan. ”I just think employment is really important right now,” Lohan said. “So, as of now, Mitt Romney.” She joins Clueless actress Stacey Dash, wrestler Hulk Hogan and adult-film star Jenna Jameson on the Celebs for Romney booster squad...

But the celebrity migration to the Romney camp, as Walter Hickey of Business Insider noted, may be a symptom of a potentially serious problem for Barack Obama: an indication that so-called low-information voters, many of whom supported Obama in 2008, will abandon the President’s re-election bid. The conviction that undecided voters will break late against the incumbent has always been a pillar of the Romney campaign’s strategy....

Ezra Klein wrote recently about a Saturday Night Live bit that lampooned undecided voters. “We’re not impressed by political spin and 30-second sound bites,” says one of the skit’s actors. “Before you get our vote, you’re going to have to answer some questions. Questions like, ‘When is the election?’ ‘How soon do we have to decide?’ ‘What are the names of the two people running?’ ”

http://swampland.time.com/2012/10/15/the-lohan-effect-will-romney-get-a-boost-from-low-information-voters/

Sort of like the employee who has not watched a game all year winning the NCAA tournament pool by picking winners because of the team's mascot or uniform colors

Atlanta Dan
10-16-2012, 08:37 PM
http://thelookingspoon.com/tlsimages/blog/2012/lindsay_lohan_endorses_romney.jpg

When even a twit like Lindsay Lohan can see the truth, Obama’s toast.

No worries - Honey Boo Boo supports Obama:chuckle:

n further dubious celebrity endorsement news, Honey Boo Boo has endorsed Obama.

If you don’t know who Honey Boo Boo is, you have led a uniquely charmed life and you need to go back to it, posthaste. And take me with you.

But for the rest of us, this seems only logical.

Because there is no subject sufficiently serious that we can go without hearing from Honey Boo Boo on it. Gay rights? Check. The merits of pigs as pets? Check. The election? Check.

It took some struggle. It took some prompting. But Jimmy Kimmel pried it out of her. Then she stuck her hand in a glass of water.

This is pretty much every celebrity endorsement in a nutshell.

She is 7 and accustomed to being on reality television, and more than 30 seconds had passed in which she was not the focus of attention and it was becoming unbearable.

“As goes Honey Boo Boo, so goes the electorate” is a statement I hope never to hear from anyone, ever.

But who knows? Some would argue that the electorate, even in the best of times, resembles a 7-year-old reality TV star in attention span and constant desire that more focus be on us. “No!” we say. “Mitt Romney preferred Snooki! Hisss! Candy!"

This is one of those endorsements about which all I can say is: “If this moves you at all, please, think deeply about whether you should vote. Maybe take your mother to lunch, or catch up on e-mails, or go see ‘Argo’ or something.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/honey-boo-boo-endorses-obama/2012/10/16/039d609e-17d8-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_blog.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qorkigPPbvU&list=UUa6vGFO9ty8v5KZJXQxdhaw&feature=player_embedded

MACH1
10-16-2012, 08:46 PM
Whats the over/under on obama blaming bush for all his failures tonight.

Vincent
10-16-2012, 09:28 PM
Whats the over/under on obama blaming bush for all his failures tonight.

So far he has laser focused on the Gubnor.

tony hipchest
10-16-2012, 10:37 PM
"Government doesnt create jobs."

-Mitt Romney as he is applying for a government job

Atlanta Dan
10-16-2012, 10:46 PM
At end of debate Mitt goes to Ann while Obama goes to meet audience - further confirmation of Vincent's point that Michelle O is trapped in a loveless marriage

Mitt clear winner tonight - If you believe that I have some more for you:chuckle:

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Fox is calling it a draw. I think we know what that means.

Fire Arians
10-16-2012, 10:59 PM
Wow.. she used to be hot.. what a train wreck she is now.

i'd hit it, she's still hot just stupid as hell

tony hipchest
10-16-2012, 11:32 PM
only desperate GOPhers could spend hours splitting hairs between the phrase "act of terror" and "terrorism". :doh:

Fire Arians
10-16-2012, 11:41 PM
3rd debate is going to be huge. I think it's 1-1 right now.

tony hipchest
10-17-2012, 12:27 AM
i only watched the final 20 minutes and cant stomach CNN or FOX post game"analysis" at the moment (especially when Sons of Anarchy" is on), but from what i gathered Romey is promising to cut taxes on the middle class, and upper class, AND giving trillions to the military, all the while, wiping out trillions of dollars of debt while he balances the budget in four years.

thats a hoot.

well, hell... that is the test of all tests if you ask me. im in! :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Mpkb7rKjs

it also appears the voting polster public feels a bit more more confident in teh career businessman(swindler) in handling the economy and taxes than they do the career politician.

SHOCKER! :jerkit:

tony hipchest
10-17-2012, 01:20 AM
romey:

"i balanced the budget for the olympics... i can do so for America:

:toofunny:

i.e.- take all money from McDonalds.

-spend it. (be sure to reserve, $60,000,000 to buy rubbers from Haliburton at $45.00/condom)

:jerkit:

ricardisimo
10-17-2012, 01:41 AM
I didn't listen to a single second of it, but all of my Democrat friends have huge erections right now, so I have to surmise that Obama made some sort of comeback.

I'll repeat this again, though: None of it matters. Obama's going to win reelection, and probably by a landslide. Deal with it. I'm trying to, and so can you.

tony hipchest
10-17-2012, 02:37 AM
obama nailed mitts ass to the wall on his assault weapons ban flip flop.

the only conclusive thing thing i came away with is that he thinks "fast and furious" is a bad idea. well DUH! :doh:

he skirts the issue more than thigh high dresses.

my favorite is how he is going to tell china to "play by the rules" and his stern words will prevent business from sending jobs overseas.

why didnt obama or anyone else think about uttering those 4 words? romey also shook a stick at the counterfiet apple IPhone store in china. absolutely no idea what he is going to do to shut it down, but atleast he noted it. :thumbsup:

in summation his "passion is the private" parts of america. he'll "get your incomes up".

:uhh:

while obama atleast attempted to address the issues, romey pretty much had nothing but defelection.

bottom line is obamas campaign realized he cant take naps at the podium and still expect it to be a sweep.

Atlanta Dan
10-17-2012, 07:59 AM
Mitt has binders full of women and Bill Clinton will change his endorsement if Romney will give them to Bill

Fire Haley
10-17-2012, 02:01 PM
still tanking

Romney 50%, Obama 46% Among Likely Voters

Obama down sharply among men, college grads, and Southern voters vs. 2008

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/-28n4ev7dema9tu_x7xbiq.gif

Fire Arians
10-17-2012, 03:29 PM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/523699_489961797701260_714222910_n.jpg

Vincent
10-17-2012, 03:43 PM
still tanking

Romney 50%, Obama 46% Among Likely Voters

Obama down sharply among men, college grads, and Southern voters vs. 2008

I can see why the Kenyan hates Gallup. "Mirrah, mirrah, on da wall..." "Your nappy ass don't look good at all".

The freefall continues... R 51 - o 45 (http://www.gallup.com/poll/157817/election-2012-likely-voters-trial-heat-obama-romney.aspx)

EzueMlDif_4

Romney does pretty well double teamed and held. It this prez thing doesn't work out maybe he could play ROLB on the senior circuit.

Vincent
10-17-2012, 03:49 PM
Mitt has binders full of women and Bill Clinton will change his endorsement if Romney will give them to Bill

No need to be redundant. (http://business.mittromney.com/romneys-sterling-business-career)

Atlanta Dan
10-17-2012, 03:53 PM
Yep - Obama is doomed

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/10/16/us/politics/16fivethirtyeight-update/16fivethirtyeight-update-blog480-v2.jpg

President Obama’s chances of winning the Electoral College were 64.8 percent as of Tuesday’s FiveThirtyEight forecast, down slightly from 66.0 percent on Monday.

The forecast will not yet reflect any effects from Tuesday night’s debate in New York, any impact of which will require a few days to become apparent in the forecast.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/17/oct-16-can-polls-exaggerate-bounces/

MACH1
10-18-2012, 10:30 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A7vuidaKe_o/UH66DPwJlPI/AAAAAAAAhbE/WOD_GJNDyrw/s640/CANDY+CROWLEY+2.jpg

Vincent
10-18-2012, 03:03 PM
Yes, they are that stupid

Evidently.

Vincent
10-18-2012, 04:53 PM
206-201 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html)

Atlanta Dan
10-18-2012, 07:15 PM
206-201 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html)

Your map shows a lot of supposed toss-up States that are regarded as being in Obama's camp:noidea:

For example, if Real Clear Politics thinks Iowa and Wisconsin are toss-ups they might want to check with the Trotskyites and Stalinists at The Wall Street Journal

President Barack Obama retains steady leads over Mitt Romney in Wisconsin and Iowa, two battlegrounds drawing increased attention in the final sprint to Election Day, according to new polls conducted just before and after Tuesday's presidential debate.

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-BT063_STATEP_G_20121018175403.jpg

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444868204578064972682344786.html

Guess Drudge "forgot" to link to these polls:chuckle:

Atlanta Dan
10-19-2012, 12:44 PM
still tanking

Romney 50%, Obama 46% Among Likely Voters

Obama down sharply among men, college grads, and Southern voters vs. 2008

Even according to Gallup Obama is leading everywhere except the South

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/10/electoral-vote-pop.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/19/about-that-gallup-poll-is-romney-really-up-by-7-and-will-obama-win-the-election-anyway/?hpid=z1

Since three losses and one blowout win still results in a 1-3 record (unless like Ike Taylor you prefer to focus on favorable statistics rather than the scoreboard) it will take more than Mitt running up the score in the Confederate States of America to get Romney elected.

Fire Arians
10-19-2012, 01:32 PM
Even according to Gallup Obama is leading everywhere except the South

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/10/electoral-vote-pop.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/10/19/about-that-gallup-poll-is-romney-really-up-by-7-and-will-obama-win-the-election-anyway/?hpid=z1

Since three losses and one blowout win still results in a 1-3 record (unless like Ike Taylor you prefer to focus on favorable statistics rather than the scoreboard) it will take more than Mitt running up the score in the Confederate States of America to get Romney elected.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_wRCq4lbUZSs9YhRKrqypL3Dl5fJX4 wGC-A96OCt-KXlHB-Znxg

tony hipchest
10-19-2012, 02:17 PM
maybe killer and vincent think the election in a few weeks is for president of the republic of texas? :hunch:

Fire Haley
10-19-2012, 02:22 PM
still tanking




Polls: US President '12

Conducted by Gallup from 10/12/2012 to 10/18/2012.



Mitt Romney (R) +6.0

51.0 %

Barack Obama (D)

45.0 %

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/polls/508187d9ebcabf0449000069

Atlanta Dan
10-19-2012, 03:50 PM
still tanking




Polls: US President '12

Conducted by Gallup from 10/12/2012 to 10/18/2012.



Mitt Romney (R) +6.0

51.0 %

Barack Obama (D)

45.0 %

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/polls/508187d9ebcabf0449000069

If Gallup had Obama ahead outside of Dixie yesterday that probably remains true today - first one to 270 electoral votes wins

One of the risks in focusing too much on the results of any one poll, like the Gallup national tracking poll, is that you may lose sight of the bigger picture.

On Thursday, that story was one of President Obama continuing to hold leads in most polls of critical states. Of the 13 polls of swing states released on Thursday, Mr. Obama held leads in 11 of them....

Mr. Obama’s chances of winning the Electoral College improved to 70.4 percent on Thursday from 65.7 percent on Wednesday, according to the forecast.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/oct-18-obama-gains-in-forecast-on-resiliency-in-swing-state-polls/


I can only imagine the outrage if Romney wins the popular vote and loses in the Electoral College - I know how upset the GOP was when that occurred in 2000 - maybe Romney can ask the Supreme Court to elect him:chuckle:

MACH1
10-19-2012, 06:22 PM
still tanking




Polls: US President '12

Conducted by Gallup from 10/12/2012 to 10/18/2012.



Mitt Romney (R) +6.0

51.0 %

Barack Obama (D)

45.0 %

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/polls/508187d9ebcabf0449000069

Thats called Leading from Behind!

Atlanta Dan
10-20-2012, 09:17 AM
Thats called Leading from Behind!

Guess again

If the national polls tell a more equivocal tale than the Gallup poll alone would imply, it’s really in the state polls where Mr. Obama’s strength lies — as has largely been the case all year.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/oct-18-obama-gains-in-forecast-on-resiliency-in-swing-state-polls/

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/10/19/us/politics/fivethirtyeight-1019-batthurs/fivethirtyeight-1019-batthurs-blog480.png

http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e2017ee449bd88970d-550wi

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/jamesfallows/the1debatepic.banner.getty.jpg

Fire Arians
10-22-2012, 11:26 PM
who do you guys think won tonight? i thought it was pretty close

tony hipchest
10-23-2012, 02:11 AM
bears.

13-7. definitely close.

Bayz101
10-23-2012, 02:37 AM
Another rather uneventful debate. Obama took the "zinger" mode and fired his bullets, and Romney didn't really bite it. He has the attitude of someone capable of being the president.

Bayz101
10-23-2012, 02:37 AM
bears.

13-7. definitely close.

:chuckle:

Vis
10-23-2012, 05:53 AM
Another rather uneventful debate. Obama took the "zinger" mode and fired his bullets, and Romney didn't really bite it. He has the attitude of someone capable of being the president.

Romney was sweating. Not a metaphor. His message was, " I'll do what Obama is doing but LOUDER" Oh, and he has a strategy. Not one he can articulate, of course.

Vis
10-23-2012, 06:17 AM
http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/ht_horses_bayonets_2_wy_121022_ssv.jpg

Atlanta Dan
10-23-2012, 08:17 AM
http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e2017ee45e61b3970d-550wi

Atlanta Dan
10-23-2012, 09:27 AM
Last night, Mitt Romney was evaluating the importance of Syria in light of United States foreign policy.

He had this peculiar line related to the importance of Syria to Iran:

"Syria's an opportunity for us because Syria plays an important role in the Middle East, particularly right now. Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."

Syria is not Iran's route to the sea.

Iran has 1,520 miles of coastline comprising the eastern edge of the Persian Gulf, including valuable property on the eastern shore of the Strait of Hormuz.

Iran also has access to the Gulf of Oman, leading directly to the Indian Ocean, and possesses a Navy

http://www.businessinsider.com/romney-fact-check-no-syria-isnt-irans-route-to-the-sea-iran-has-2000-miles-of-coastline-2012-10

http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e2017ee45f6258970d-550wi

Vis
10-23-2012, 09:31 AM
He meant to the Caspian Sea... Opps

Fire Haley
10-23-2012, 10:16 AM
the homestretch...you got it Mitt

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/mrnulxzape-lljb5t3tc0g.gif

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/-28n4ev7dema9tu_x7xbiq.gif

Vis
10-23-2012, 11:06 AM
http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=pwtenny4AF98B57-590E-57AA-A7ED-ACCB1010DDD4.jpg&width=660

MACH1
10-23-2012, 11:32 AM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/267726_446707698720927_1193196351_n.jpg

MACH1
10-23-2012, 11:54 AM
Yet again Hopey making up lies.

Yes the did ride horses into battle.

Monument honors U.S. 'horse soldiers' who invaded Afghanistan

The U.S. special operations teams that led the American invasion in Afghanistan a decade ago did something that no American military had done since the last century: ride horses into combat.


But despite what President Obama might suggest, both are still used as tools of battle to this day.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/06/us/afghanistan-horse-soldiers-memorial/index.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/23/article-2221873-15A3CEBC000005DC-712_634x428.jpg

Fire Haley
10-23-2012, 12:03 PM
still tanking

Daily Swing State Tracking Poll Swing State Tracking: Romney 50%, Obama 45%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_swing_state_tracking_poll



BARACK OBAMA IS CRASHING ON INTRADE

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5086a558eab8ea863d000016-800-599/image.jpg

Atlanta Dan
10-23-2012, 12:23 PM
Yet again Hopey making up lies.

Yes the did ride horses into battle.

Well as long as we are debating who really knows the military, Fox for some reason overlooked this nugget

Romney made the sort of mistake that makes Marines cringe: early on in the debate, he called our troops overseas “soldiers.” That drives Marines up a wall. The Army consists of soldiers. The Marine Corps consists of Marines. Both exist under the umbrella of American troops or forces serving overseas. This distinction has been so noxious to the Army that in recent years, it has capitalized its troops — Soldiers — to match the Marine code. I would guess that Fox News may have gotten a few e-mails about that, unmentioned by Fox.

This may seem petty, but it is part of the other-than-reality-based world of RushFoxland

http://swampland.time.com/2012/10/22/the-third-debate-perfect-symmetry/

And there is this

After saying in an interview during his failed bid to unseat Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts in 1994 that he had no interest in military service as a youth, Mr. Romney said in 2007 during his first run for the Republican presidential nomination that he had sometimes longed to join the troops in Vietnam.

At Stanford, Mr. Romney was exempt from the draft, holding the 2-S student deferment then given to most undergraduates. He kept it but one year; like his older brother, Scott, Mr. Romney left Stanford early to serve for 30 months as a missionary abroad, as is customary for devout Mormon men.

During that period in France, from 1966 to 1968, he held another draft exemption as a missionary — a controversial one, as critics complained that it disproportionately excluded Mormon men from service.


The Selective Service eventually limited church districts to one religious deferment every six months, sharply reducing draft exemptions in Utah. But in Michigan, where Mr. Romney grew up, the small Mormon population made it unlikely that others competed for the mission that Mr. Romney accepted, said Barry Mayo, a counselor at the time to the district bishop. (After returning from France, Mr. Romney transferred to Brigham Young University and again secured a student deferment.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/us/politics/at-stanford-romney-stood-ground-on-vietnam.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Deeds not words - just another chickenhawk interested in sending somebody else off to fight

Atlanta Dan
10-23-2012, 05:24 PM
The beard thing...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/04/article-2212610-1556FDA9000005DC-722_964x631.jpg

Is this a picture of a loving couple on their 20th anniversary? Maybe a muslim couple.

:noidea:


Douglas Kass‏@DougKass

HIgh above the Alps my Gnome has heard that Donald Trump will announce that he has unearthed divorce papers between the Prez and his wife.

https://twitter.com/DougKass/status/260765577713418240

This isn't the first time the divorce rumor has reared its head during the campaign. Unbiased newsman Ed Klein wrote in his most recent book, The Amateur, that during a rough patch in the Obama marriage in 2000, Michelle Obama "actually had divorce papers drawn up."

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/trump-obama-divorce-papers.html

So "Vincent" - are you really Donald Trump?

MACH1
10-23-2012, 05:36 PM
Well as long as we are debating who really knows the military, Fox for some reason overlooked this nugget

Romney made the sort of mistake that makes Marines cringe: early on in the debate, he called our troops overseas “soldiers.” That drives Marines up a wall. The Army consists of soldiers. The Marine Corps consists of Marines. Both exist under the umbrella of American troops or forces serving overseas. This distinction has been so noxious to the Army that in recent years, it has capitalized its troops — Soldiers — to match the Marine code. I would guess that Fox News may have gotten a few e-mails about that, unmentioned by Fox.

This may seem petty, but it is part of the other-than-reality-based world of RushFoxland

http://swampland.time.com/2012/10/22/the-third-debate-perfect-symmetry/

And there is this

After saying in an interview during his failed bid to unseat Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts in 1994 that he had no interest in military service as a youth, Mr. Romney said in 2007 during his first run for the Republican presidential nomination that he had sometimes longed to join the troops in Vietnam.

At Stanford, Mr. Romney was exempt from the draft, holding the 2-S student deferment then given to most undergraduates. He kept it but one year; like his older brother, Scott, Mr. Romney left Stanford early to serve for 30 months as a missionary abroad, as is customary for devout Mormon men.

During that period in France, from 1966 to 1968, he held another draft exemption as a missionary — a controversial one, as critics complained that it disproportionately excluded Mormon men from service.


The Selective Service eventually limited church districts to one religious deferment every six months, sharply reducing draft exemptions in Utah. But in Michigan, where Mr. Romney grew up, the small Mormon population made it unlikely that others competed for the mission that Mr. Romney accepted, said Barry Mayo, a counselor at the time to the district bishop. (After returning from France, Mr. Romney transferred to Brigham Young University and again secured a student deferment.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/us/politics/at-stanford-romney-stood-ground-on-vietnam.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Deeds not words - just another chickenhawk interested in sending somebody else off to fight

I'd think they'd rather be called a soldier than a corpse. :hunch:
Remind what branch of the service did hopey serve in? Oh thats right it was in community service.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r14/missnry/Obama-Corpse.jpg

Atlanta Dan
10-23-2012, 06:27 PM
I'd think they'd rather be called a soldier than a corpse. :hunch:
Remind what branch of the service did hopey serve in? Oh thats right it was in community service.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r14/missnry/Obama-Corpse.jpg

Obama wasn't the one claiming he often thought of serving in Vietnam while rolling up the student deferments

My point is that the GOP talks a tough game about supporting the military and had great fun about Clinton being a draft dodger but its leadership that had a chance to serve in the military took a pass - in addition to Romney being indifferent to serving in Vietnam before he suddenly remembered he longed to serve around the time he was ramping up his 2008 campaign for President we had known tough guy Dick Cheney

Cheney's Five Draft Deferments During the Vietnam Era Emerge as a Campaign Issue

Mr. Cheney this week again questioned the credentials of Senator John Kerry and his ability to be commander in chief. Mr. Kerry, who was decorated in Vietnam and has made his service there a central element of his campaign, fired back.

Putting Mr. Cheney's record in the spotlight, Mr. Kerry said that he "got every deferment in the world and decided he had better things to do."

[cheney] told the Washington Post that he had sought his deferments because "I had other priorities in the 60's than military service."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/01/politics/campaign/01CHEN.html

If you are going to talk the talk then walk the walk - otherwise these chicken hawks
should have a cup of STFU rather than prance around and claim their selfless devotion to the military which they regard as the hired help

MACH1
10-23-2012, 08:04 PM
Obama wasn't the one claiming he often thought of serving in Vietnam while rolling up the student deferments

My point is that the GOP talks a tough game about supporting the military and had great fun about Clinton being a draft dodger but its leadership that had a chance to serve in the military took a pass - in addition to Romney being indifferent to serving in Vietnam before he suddenly remembered he longed to serve around the time he was ramping up his 2008 campaign for President we had known tough guy Dick Cheney

Cheney's Five Draft Deferments During the Vietnam Era Emerge as a Campaign Issue

Mr. Cheney this week again questioned the credentials of Senator John Kerry and his ability to be commander in chief. Mr. Kerry, who was decorated in Vietnam and has made his service there a central element of his campaign, fired back.

Putting Mr. Cheney's record in the spotlight, Mr. Kerry said that he "got every deferment in the world and decided he had better things to do."

[cheney] told the Washington Post that he had sought his deferments because "I had other priorities in the 60's than military service."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/01/politics/campaign/01CHEN.html

If you are going to talk the talk then walk the walk - otherwise these chicken hawks
should have a cup of STFU rather than prance around and claim their selfless devotion to the military which they regard as the hired help

It's not just one side thats doing so. Thinking otherwise is swift boat thinking. As far as the military goes which way do you think their going to vote?

Military Times Poll: Romney bests Obama, 2-1

The professional core of the U.S. military overwhelmingly favors Mitt Romney over President Obama in the upcoming election — but not because of any particular military issues, according to a new poll of more than 3,100 active and reserve troops.

Respondents rated the economy and the candidates’ character as their most important considerations and all but ignored the war in Afghanistan as an issue of concern.http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/10/military-times-poll-romney-bests-obama-2-1-100712/

Atlanta Dan
10-23-2012, 08:53 PM
It's not just one side thats doing so. Thinking otherwise is swift boat thinking.?

Agreed - but good luck getting the party that actually used swiftboating against someone who served in Vietnam to admit that

:drink:

Fire Haley
10-23-2012, 11:56 PM
still tanking


Intrade...Electoral Votes, Ronmey 262, Obama 249

http://www.intrade.com/v4/misc/electoral-map/

tony hipchest
10-24-2012, 02:47 AM
Yet again Hopey making up lies.

Yes the did ride horses into battle.


] waitaminute...

so where exactly is the lie? :huh:

real talk here. all politics and partisanship aside, when it came to pure debate, obama handed romney his ass on a platter in regards to that specific point.

i laugh at the entire base that has gone into pure desperation mode to cover up and try to erase this crucial error in judgement and perspective. obamas gaffe of "57 states" pales in comparisson.

sure the marines are tweeting how they still use bayonets, and sure they look cool, but how many bayonets have been replaced with laser light scopes?

i bet its cool being a cowboy in the calvary leading the charge on horseback into battle into afghanistan ghengis kahn style, but id much rather be in an abrams tank.

poor romney. he was in such damage control, he had to go campaign in virginia shipyards today to tattle tell on obama for calling their craft antiquated.

thats a bitch move. he should sack up, instead of pulling boats out of his ass. what is he going to do with all of these new ships? re-discover america like columbus did 600 years ago???

no offense to the boots on the ground, or the fins in the water, but horsies and boats and swords are SO last millenium (as is romney).

im about as pro-hawk as it gets, and all about the wings in the air. hawks dont slither in the sand or swim through the sea, they fly into the sun and attack before you even know what is coming or can see what hit you.

maybe 1% of earth is covered by beach. 20% is covered by land. 80% is covered by water. 100% is covered by air.

even our air force has been cut, and i am fine with that. you can only go so far with utter dominance and overkill.

anyways, my heart bleeds for romneys subsidiary companies, and buddies who work in the ship building industry. they may not get to partake in the moneygrab that awaits if he is not elected. :sad:

Atlanta Dan
10-24-2012, 08:00 AM
still tanking


Intrade...Electoral Votes, Ronmey 262, Obama 249

http://www.intrade.com/v4/misc/electoral-map/

???

The map to which you linked (which is not based on polling data but on trading prices for each state - sort of like saying the Steelers won the Redskins game becuase more people are betting on them) says Obama 259-257 with Ohio and New Hampshire as toss-ups

Welcome to the post-modernist world of the GOP, where facts are just a matter of opinion:chuckle:

Fire Haley
10-24-2012, 08:22 AM
no need for Dems to bother voting, just stay home, Obama is gonna lose badly


Romney, Ryan Rally draws huge crowd at Red Rocks


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mJCTtwrGvX4/UIfJMm_e1qI/AAAAAAAAZx0/ESathv-aGfE/s1600/HUGE+DENVER+CROWD+FOR+ROMNEY.jpg

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2012/1024/20121024_025552_cd24romneySS.jpg

MACH1
10-24-2012, 11:19 AM
What lies? Quick search top of the page. :noidea:

Obama's Five Worst Lies & Exaggerations From The Third Debate


NUMBER 1: President Obama Claimed Sequestration Was Not Something That He Proposed – But His Advisers Devised The Defense Cuts:

President Obama: “The Sequester Is Not Something That I Proposed.” OBAMA: “First of all, the sequester is not something that I proposed. It’s something that Congress has proposed. It will not happen. The budget that we’re talking about is not reducing our military spending. It’s maintaining it.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)

Politico, On The Architect Of The Defense Cuts: “In Fact, The Idea May Have Come In Part From Obama’s Current Chief Of Staff, Jack Lew.” “In fact, the idea may have come in part from Obama’s current chief of staff, Jack Lew. The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward reported in his book ‘The Price of Politics’ that Lew, then-Office of Management and Budget director, and White House Legislative Affairs Director Rob Nabors broached the idea of a defense sequester as a threat to Republicans during negotiations over raising the debt ceiling.” (Josh Gerstein and Darren Samuelsohn, “Fact-Checking The Third Presidential Debate,” Politico, 10/22/12)

President Obama’s Administration Was Behind The Idea Of “Massive Defense Cuts.” “The book ‘The Price of Politics,’ by Washington Post Associate Editor Bob Woodward, makes it clear the idea for the draconian spending cuts originated in the White House – and not in Congress. According to the book, excerpts of which were obtained by POLITICO ahead of the Sept. 11 release, President Barack Obama’s top deputies believed the prospect of massive defense cuts would compel Republicans to agree to a deficit-cutting grand bargain.” (Austin Wright, “Bob Woodward Book Could Bolster Republican Attack On W.H.,” Politico, 9/7/12)

Vice President Biden, On The Prospect Of Military & Veterans Cuts: “This Is A Dangerous Area … But We Should Look At It.” “The military was sacred, and it could be political suicide for Democrats to consider cuts for vets. ‘This is a dangerous area,’ he acknowledged, ‘but we should look at it.’” (Bob Woodward, The Price Of Politics, 2012, p. 115)

NUMBER 2: President Obama Falsely Claimed He Didn’t Want A Status Of Forces Agreement In Iraq:

President Obama, On His Administration’s Attempt To Secure A Status Of Forces Agreement In Iraq: “That’s Not True. … What I Would Not Have Done Is Left 10,000 Troops In Iraq…” ROMNEY: “Number two, with regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should have been a status of forces agreement. Did you –”OBAMA: “That’s not true.” ROMNEY: “Oh, you didn’t — you didn’t want a status of forces agreement?” OBAMA: “No, but what I — what I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)

The New York Times: “Obama Sought To Negotiate A Status Of Forces Agreement That Would Have Allowed United States Troops To Stay In Iraq After 2011.” “Mr. Obama sought to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement that would have allowed United States troops to stay in Iraq after 2011. … The role of the American forces would be to train Iraqi troops, patrol Iraq’s skies and help Iraqi commandos fight Al Qaeda.” (The New York Times, 10/22/12)

“Initially, The Obama Administration Was Prepared To Keep Up To 10,000 Troops In Iraq.” (The New York Times, 10/22/12)

“Several Parts Of The Administration Appeared To Try Hard To Negotiate A Deal For Thousands Of Troops To Remain — And Failed.” “The Obama administration is claiming it always intended to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of this year, in line with the president’s announcement today, but in fact several parts of the administration appeared to try hard to negotiate a deal for thousands of troops to remain — and failed.” (Josh Rogin, “How The Obama Administration Bungled The Iraq Withdrawal Negotiations,” Foreign Policy, 10/21/11)

Foreign Policy Headline: “How The Obama Administration Bungled The Iraq Withdrawal Negotiations” (Josh Rogin, “How The Obama Administration Bungled The Iraq Withdrawal Negotiations,” Foreign Policy, 10/21/11)

NUMBER 3: President Obama Said He Will Ensure Iran “Will Not Get A Nuclear Weapon” – But His Policies Have Left Iran Even Closer To Nuclear Weapon Capability:

President Obama: “As Long As I’m President Of The United States, Iran Will Not Get A Nuclear Weapon.” OBAMA: “But to the issue of Iran, as long as I’m president of the United States, Iran will not get a nuclear weapon. I’ve made that clear when I came into office. We then organized the strongest coalition and the strongest sanctions against Iran in history, and it is crippling their economy.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)

President Obama’s “Early Overtures To Iran Were Rejected” And Iran’s Nuclear Program Has Expanded. “Obama’s early overtures to Iran were rejected, and the expansion of Tehran’s nuclear program, which it says is purely peaceful, has created tension between Washington and Israel, which sees a nuclear-armed Iran as a threat to its existence.” (Matt Spetalnick and Mark Felsenthal, “Obama Warns Iran On Nuclear Bid, Containment ‘No Option’,” Reuters, 9/25/12)

Iran Has Succeeded In “Adding Thousands Of Centrifuge Machines To Its Underground Facility” And Has Grown Its Uranium Stockpile. “No firm dates for new negotiations have been set, and Middle East analysts say no breakthrough is likely until after the November election. Meanwhile, Iran’s success in adding thousands of centrifuge machines to its underground facility — and the inexorable growth of its uranium stockpile — continues to stoke fears of an Israeli airstrike. It has also left the White House vulnerable to Republican charges that administration policies, while well-intentioned, have ultimately been fruitless.” (Joby Warrick, “Obama’s Policy On Iran Bears Some Fruit, But Nuclear Program Still Advances,” The Washington Post, 9/24/12)

The Washington Post: “The Result Is That President Obama Is Not Even Leading From Behind On Iran; He Is Simply Behind.” “The result is that President Obama is not even leading from behind on Iran; he is simply behind. At the forefront of the Western effort to pressure Tehran is French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who issued a statement Monday calling on the European Union, the United States, Japan, Canada and ‘other willing countries’ to ‘immediately freeze the assets of Iran’s central bank’ and suspend purchases of Iranian oil.” (Editorial, “More Half-Measures From Obama Administration On Iran,” The Washington Post, 11/22/11)

NUMBER 4: President Obama Claimed He Insisted “China Plays By The Same Rules” – But He’s Failed To Label Them As A Currency Manipulator:

President Obama: “My Attitude Coming Into Office Was That We Are Going To Insist That China Plays By The Same Rules As Everybody Else.” OBAMA: “But with respect to China, China’s both an adversary but also a potential partner in the international community if it’s following the rules. So my attitude coming into office was that we are going to insist that China plays by the same rules as everybody else.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)

Under President Obama, The United States Treasury Department Has Refused To Label China As A Currency Manipulator Seven Times. (Don Lee, “U.S. Declines To Label China A Currency Manipulator,” Los Angeles Times, 5/25/12; Pedro Nicolaci da Costa, “U.S. Again Says China Not Currency Manipulator,” Reuters, 12/28/11; Gregg Robb, “Treasury Says China Isn’t A Currency Manipulator,” Market Watch, 5/27/11; Sewell Chan, “China’s Currency Avoids “Manipulated” Ruling Again,” NYT, 2/04/11; Gregg Robb, “Treasury Does Not Cite China As Currency Manipulator,” Market Watch, 7/8/10; Martin Crutsinger, “Administration Declines To Cite China On Currency Manipulation,” USA Today, 10/15/09; Glenn Somerville and Doug Palmer, “U.S. Again Declines To Brand China Currency Manipulator,” Reuters, 4/15/09)

This Month, The Obama Administration Announced It Would Delay Yet Another Opportunity To Label China As A Currency Manipulator. “The Obama administration is delaying a decision that had been due Monday on whether China is manipulating its currency to gain trade advantages. The Treasury Department says the decision will now come after global finance officials meet in early November.” (“Administration Delays China Currency Report,” The Associated Press, 10/12/12)

President Obama Said He Wouldn’t Declare China A Currency Manipulator Because He Didn’t Want To “Go Out Of Our Way To Embarrass” China. “President Barack Obama, addressing questions Wednesday about China’s alleged trade abuses and currency manipulation, said the United States must push back against unfair practices but not ‘go out of our way to embarrass’ the country.” (Henry J. Gomez, “President Barack Obama Warns Against Embarrassing China On Trade Complaints: Plain Dealer Interview,” The Cleveland Plain Dealer, 9/27/12)

Senator Sherrod Brown: “The U.S. Treasury Department Has Given China A Free Pass When It Comes To Its Currency Manipulation.” “‘Once again, the U.S. Treasury Department has given China a free pass when it comes to its currency manipulation,’ Brown said. ‘While we’re seeing American manufacturing rebound, China is stepping up its efforts in a number of critical sectors, including clean and solar energy, advanced manufacturing, and auto parts.’” (Senator Sherrod Brown, “Treasury Giving China A ‘Free Pass’ On Currency Manipulation,” Press Release, 5/25/12)

NUMBER 5: President Obama Falsely Claimed Mitt Romney Would Not Have Provided Government Assistance To U.S. Auto Companies:

President Obama: “You Were Very Clear That You Would Not Provide Government Assistance To The U.S. Auto Companies Even If They Went Through Bankruptcy.” OBAMA: “You were very clear that you would not provide government assistance to the U.S. auto companies even if they went through bankruptcy. You said that they could get it in the private marketplace. That wasn’t true. They would have gone through.” (President Barack Obama, Remarks, Boca Raton, FL, 10/22/12)

FactCheck.org: Mitt Romney “Said That The ‘Federal Government Should Provide Guarantees For Post-Bankruptcy Financing…’” “He argued against a bailout but for a ‘managed bankruptcy’ in which he said that the ‘federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.’” (Brooks Jackson, et al, “FactChecking The Hofstra Debate,” FactCheck.org, 10/17/12)

Time’s Michael Scherer: “Obama Is Wrong. Romney Supported Guarantees In Bankruptcy. ‘The Federal Government Should Provide Guarantees For Post-Bankruptcy Financing’” (Michael Scherer, Twitter Feed, 10/22/12)

Fox News’ Chris Wallace: “At The End He Said: The Federal Government Should Provide Guarantees For Post-Bankruptcy Financing … Romney Seems To Have Had The Record Straight.” WALLACE: “Finally, very briefly on the auto bailout, in an editorial that Romney wrote in November of 2008, which had the headline he didn’t write it, let Detroit go bankrupt. He did argue for bankruptcy, a managed bankruptcy but at the end he said: the federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk. So at least on that point, again, Romney seems to have had the record straight.” (Fox News, 10/22/12)
http://theiowarepublican.com/2012/president-obamas-five-worst-lies-exaggerations-from-the-third-presidential-debate/

And laser light scopes aren't going to help ya much in a hand to hand situation.

plus lets not sweep this little bump in the road thats not optimal for hopey, the obama libya cover up.

Atlanta Dan
10-24-2012, 03:52 PM
How Mitt Romney Gets So Tan

It has been one of the running mysteries of the 2012 campaign trail: How Mitt Romney maintains the ruddy, glowing, and occasionally changing skin tone that helps him project an image of 65-year-old vigor.

A knowledgeable source tells BuzzFeed the answer is in a bit of cosmetic technology used commonly by celebrities: spray tanning....

"The color he's choosing is totally not believable," .... "It's a dead giveaway... They're clearly using way too dark a forumla for his skin tone, It's just like, 'Oh my God, he got sprayed. It's just so obvious."

"I was looking at Mitt Romney the whole time and just thinking, with all that money you’d think he’d get the best spray tanner in the country."

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/10/24/10/enhanced-buzz-25158-1351087444-12.jpg

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/how-mitt-romney-gets-so-tan

MACH1
10-24-2012, 05:38 PM
You know it's bad when msdnc even call him out on the lies.

MSNBC calls out Obama lie, Obama doubles down

Who would have thought that MSNBC, which has pretty much been a propaganda arm for the White House, would be pointing out the lies coming from Barack Obama as he enters the final days of his first term? Certainly not Glenn. And yet, MSNBC brought in Lori Robertson from FactCheck.org and she said Barack Obama was wrong when he said that Romney did not say the government would provide help to G.M. in a managed bankruptcy. But that hasn’t stopped Obama from repeating the lie at every opportunity.

In his op-ed, Romney wrote:

It is not wrong to ask for government help, but the automakers should come up with a win-win proposition. I believe the federal government should invest substantially more in basic research — on new energy sources, fuel-economy technology, materials science and the like — that will ultimately benefit the automotive industry, along with many others. I believe Washington should raise energy research spending to $20 billion a year, from the $4 billion that is spent today. The research could be done at universities, at research labs and even through public-private collaboration. The federal government should also rectify the imbedded tax penalties that favor foreign carmakers.

But don’t ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free pass — they bet on management and they lost.

The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check.

Despite it be clearly stated above that the federal government would provide support, Obama said in the debate, ““You did not say that you would provide government help.”

“We’re not the only ones that said that’s a lie. What Barack Obama is doing is lying about that. That’s what we said. MSNBC said he has it wrong,” Glenn explained. ” hey’re not saying that he’s lying. They’re just saying he was wrong. He had his facts wrong.”

But even when MSNBC is pointing out his error, Obama decided to double down and told followers yesterday, “If you say that you love American cars during a debate, you’re a car guy. But you wrote an article titled ‘Let Detroit Go Bankrupt’, you definitely have a case of Romnesia.”

“It’s not a fabrication, it’s not misleading. It’s an absolute bald‑face lie,” Pat said
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/10/24/msnbc-calls-out-obama-lie-obama-doubles-down/

Fire Haley
10-24-2012, 05:43 PM
yeah bubba!


Romney Takes Lead on Economy; White Men are the Movers

The candidates remain essentially tied, with 49 percent of likely voters for Romney, 48 percent for Obama in this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates. That includes vast and sharpening gaps among some groups, with highs for both candidates among core supporters.

One example is white men, in particular those who lack a college degree; almost all of the recent shifts in trust on the economy and perceived economic empathy have occurred in this group. Romney’s support among white men is its highest of the campaign, a 2-1 margin, 65-32 percent..

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/romney-takes-lead-on-economy-white-men-are-the-movers/

Atlanta Dan
10-24-2012, 08:56 PM
still tanking


Intrade...Electoral Votes, Ronmey 262, Obama 249

http://www.intrade.com/v4/misc/electoral-map/

TIME Poll: Obama Leads by 5 in Ohio

http://swampland.time.com/2012/10/24/time-poll-obama-leads-by-5-in-ohio/

Please walk me through how Romney loses Ohio and gets to 270 electoral votes:noidea:

tony hipchest
10-24-2012, 09:55 PM
What lies? Quick search top of the page. :noidea:
.again... where are the lies? the article calling them a bunch of lies is the biggest lie, i see.

so now an exaggeration or common place political negotiation tactic is a lie? then romneys "a lie is not a lie if you scram it the most and loudest" strategy is working brilliantly.

other than that, the article seems like a bunch of slanted "he say- she say".

And laser light scopes aren't going to help ya much in a hand to hand situation.



:idea: thats right! if romney is elected he will be forcing china to "play by the rules". he better get a billion bayonets on order (y'know... since we dont NEARLY have as many as we did 100 years ago in 1916) to take on their army of ninjas. good thing our forces will be on horseback giving us a distinct advantage. :chuckle:

:duel::horse::horse::horse::horse::sinking:

here is the new era naval ships he envisions landing on the shores of china ans syria by 2014-

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/Cargo-Ship650.jpg

:sofunny: maybe he should just ask congress for ONE MILLION DOLLARS and get the sharks with laser beams on their heads.

lol...

the only reason romney wants to increase the navys budget for more ships is so he can "ship" more jobs to china.

Atlanta Dan
10-25-2012, 08:27 AM
Another Trotskyite waves the pro-Obama flag

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a longtime Republican, is sticking with President Barack Obama in this year's election.

He tells "CBS This Morning" he respects Mitt Romney but thinks he's been vague on many issues.

Speaking of Obama, Powell said the president got the United States out of Iraq and has laid out a plan for leaving Afghanistan "and didn't get us into any new wars."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/10/25/us/politics/ap-us-powell-sticking-with-obama.html?hp

Vis
10-25-2012, 08:35 AM
with the GOP voter registration scandal in Florida and Virginia, and the Texas AG threatening to arrest U.N. election monitors, it's painfully clear to everyone that the greatest threat to free and fair elections in America is the Republican Party.

MACH1
10-25-2012, 11:11 AM
with the GOP voter registration scandal in Florida and Virginia, and the Texas AG threatening to arrest U.N. election monitors, it's painfully clear to everyone that the greatest threat to free and fair elections in America is the Republican Party.

whatever you say acorn.

Vincent
10-25-2012, 08:20 PM
with the GOP voter registration scandal in Florida and Virginia, and the Texas AG threatening to arrest U.N. election monitors, it's painfully clear to everyone that the greatest threat to free and fair elections in America is the Republican Party.

If a democrat actually confessed what he stood for and what his party would do with his support, there wouldn't be a democrat in elected office anywhere in this hemisphere outside of Cuba, and possibly Venezuela. The only way demecrats get elected in this country is by lying, cheating, stealing and overt election fraud. 200+ years of pos (http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2012/09/09/satan_finally_found_his_political_partythe_democra ts) history betray you.

gT77qP2Nai8

I applaud the Texas AG's timid approach to U.N. election monitors, but would prefer that the interlopers be shot on sight.

Atlanta Dan
10-25-2012, 09:43 PM
If a democrat actually confessed what he stood for and what his party would do with his support, there wouldn't be a democrat in elected office anywhere in this hemisphere outside of Cuba, and possibly Venezuela..

Well then I guess Mitt is stealing a page from the "democrat" playbook by standing for everything and nothing?:noidea:

Vincent
10-25-2012, 10:05 PM
Well then I guess Mitt is stealing a page from the "democrat" playbook by standing for everything and nothing?:noidea:

That whooshing sound is me caring less what he stands for for as long as he dispatches the Kenyan on the down low.

Fire Haley
10-25-2012, 10:05 PM
still tanking

Daily Swing State Tracking Poll

Swing State Tracking: Romney 50%, Obama 46%

In the 11 swing states, Mitt Romney earns 50% of the vote to Obama’s 46%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_swing_state_tracking_poll

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Hardcore lefty ABC/WaPo poll - Romney leading 50-47
+19 Independents

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_20121024.html

tony hipchest
10-25-2012, 10:13 PM
do you really read all these polls everyday? zzzzzzz.....

do they take into account the 47%ers who will be voting but dont own telephones or indoor plumbing (or jobs for that matter)?

Atlanta Dan
10-25-2012, 10:16 PM
still tanking

Even Rasmussen has Obama leading in the Electoral College with some sketchy classifications of swing States

Electoral College
Obama: 237 - Romney: 235 - Toss-up: 66

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/2012_electoral_college_scoreboard

As you may recall, winning the national popular vote is as essential to being elected President as having good handwriting

Atlanta Dan
10-25-2012, 10:18 PM
do you really read all these polls everyday? zzzzzzz.....?

I confess I do:chuckle:

Admitting you have a problem is the first step on the road to recovery

Fire Haley
10-25-2012, 10:21 PM
don't even bother votings Dems...storms a comin', stay at thome and don't get wet

Romney in a landslide

http://unskewedpolls.com/map_unskewed_projection_10_25_2012.gif

The QStarNews projection of the 2012 presidential race sees Mitt Romney being elected the next president of the United States with 53.63 percent of the popular vote and 359 electoral votes to President Obama's 45.92 percent and 179 electoral votes.

http://unskewedpolls.com/unskewed_projection_2012%20president_02.cfm

Atlanta Dan
10-25-2012, 10:23 PM
don't even bother votings Dems...

Romney in a landslide

http://unskewedpolls.com/map_unskewed_projection_10_25_2012.gif

The QStarNews projection of the 2012 presidential race sees Mitt Romney being elected the next president of the United States with 53.63 percent of the popular vote and 359 electoral votes to President Obama's 45.92 percent and 179 electoral votes.

http://unskewedpolls.com/unskewed_projection_2012%20president_02.cfm

if you want to put down a bet on those numbers operators are standing by:chuckle:

Vincent
10-25-2012, 11:01 PM
don't even bother votings Dems...storms a comin', stay at thome and don't get wet

Romney in a landslide

http://unskewedpolls.com/map_unskewed_projection_10_25_2012.gif

The QStarNews projection of the 2012 presidential race sees Mitt Romney being elected the next president of the United States with 53.63 percent of the popular vote and 359 electoral votes to President Obama's 45.92 percent and 179 electoral votes.

http://unskewedpolls.com/unskewed_projection_2012%20president_02.cfm

Blue states evil. Must be punished.

SteelCityMom
10-25-2012, 11:04 PM
Seems legit...there's nothing at all biased about that site. LOL

Fire Haley
10-26-2012, 05:55 AM
Ohio will be ours

and FL and Iowa and NC and PA and CO and NV...

http://www.rushimg.com/cimages//media/images/romneyobamaelectionmap2/1014299-1-eng-GB/RomneyObamaElectionMap.jpg

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/10/mittmentum_mitt_romney_s_presidential_campaign_is_ drawing_huge_enthusiastic/154760275.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6GGvq2CYAA8H9L.jpg:large

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A56sMt-CQAIDNva.jpg

http://www.rushimg.com/cimages//media/1rushmontages/rushdesmoinesregistercover/1014240-1-eng-GB/RushDesMoinesRegisterCover.jpg

Fire Haley
10-26-2012, 06:05 AM
stay home Dems



Young Americans Turned Apathetic By Washington


The proportion of young voters expressing increased interest in politics this year has plummeted: At this time in 2008, 69 percent of voters under 30 said they were more interested in politics than four years prior, while today, just 52 percent of that age group expressed an increased interest

The trends appear to be worsening for millennials. Data from Gallup and the Public Religion Research Institute indicate that fewer young people plan to vote in the upcoming election.

Gallup found that just 58 percent of young voters say they will “definitely vote” this fall, down from 78 percent in October 2008.

Meanwhile, a Pew Research Center survey shows that young voters are generally less engaged in politics than they were in 2008.

Since so many young voters have grown up in a society riddled with political dysfunction, he adds, such apathy should come as no surprise.

“For young voters, there is a third candidate in this race, and it’s ‘stay home.’

http://www.nationaljournal.com/features/restoration-calls/young-americans-turned-apathetic-by-washington-squabbling-bad-economy-20121025

Vis
10-26-2012, 08:09 AM
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/558615_10151136874684526_488604006_n.jpg

Fire Haley
10-26-2012, 08:15 AM
he's sinking lower every day, the race card is about all he's got left...




disgraceful


Obama campaign advert compares voting to losing virginity

"your first time shouldn't be with just anybody."

"You want to do it with a great guy."

It is not until she mentions choosing "a guy who cares whether you get health insurance" and "withdrawing troops from Iraq" that it becomes clear she is referring to the US election and not losing her virginity.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9635292/US-election-Barack-Obama-campaign-advert-compares-voting-to-losing-virginity.html

Vis
10-26-2012, 08:22 AM
he's sinking lower every day, the race card is about he's got left...




disgraceful


Obama campaign advert compares voting to losing virginity

"your first time shouldn't be with just anybody."

"You want to do it with a great guy."

It is not until she mentions choosing "a guy who cares whether you get health insurance" and "withdrawing troops from Iraq" that it becomes clear she is referring to the US election and not losing her virginity.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9635292/US-election-Barack-Obama-campaign-advert-compares-voting-to-losing-virginity.html


You want a disgraceful playing of the race card? Here you go:

John Sununu, a top adviser to Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign, suggested Thursday that Colin Powell endorsed President Obama (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/10/25/colin-powell-and-the-fix-endorsement-hierarchy/) because both men are African-American.
Asked Thursday on CNN about Powell’s endorsement, Sununu said the endorsement might be for reasons other than policy.
“Frankly, when you take a look at Colin Powell, you have to wonder whether that’s an endorsement based on issues or whether he’s got a slightly different reason for preferring President Obama,” Sununu said.
Asked what those might be, Sununu pointed to race.
“Well, I think when you have somebody of your own race that you’re proud of being president of the United States, I applaud Colin for standing with him,” Sununu said.






Why did Powell really endorse Obama?



ROSE: Will you endorse President Obama this race?
POWELL: Well, you know I voted for him in 2008 and I plan to stick with him in 2012, and I’ll be voting for he and for Vice President Joe Biden next month.
ROSE: That's an endorsement for President Obama for re-election?
POWELL: When he took over the country was in very, very difficult straits, we were in one of the worst recessions we had seen in recent times, close to a depression. The fiscal system was collapsing. Wall Street was in chaos. We had 800,000 jobs lost in that first month of the Obama administration and unemployment would peak a few months later at 10%. So we were in real trouble. The auto industry was collapsing. The housing industry was starting to collapse, and we were in very difficult straits. And I saw over the next several years stabilization come back in the financial community, housing is now starting to pick up after four years, it's starting to pick up. Consumer confidence is rising. So I think generally we've come out of the dive and we’re starting to gain altitude. It doesn't mean we are problem solved, there are lots of problems still out there. The unemployment rate is too high. People are still hurting in housing. But I see that we are starting to rise up.
I also saw the President get us out of one war, start to get us out of a second war and did not get us into any new wars. And finally, I think that the actions he's taken with respect to protecting us from terrorism have been very, very solid. And so I think we ought to keep on the track that we are on.
With respect to Governor Romney, I have the utmost respect to him but as I listen to what his proposals are especially with respect to dealing with our most significant issue, the economy, it's essentially let's cut taxes and compensate for that with other things. But that compensation does not cover all of the cuts intended or the new expenses associated with defense.


Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2012/10/colin-powell-endorses-obamas-2012-campaign-video.html#ixzz2APJ1aXMI

Atlanta Dan
10-26-2012, 08:26 AM
he's sinking lower every day, the race card is about all he's got left...

disgraceful



Yep - thank goodness the GOP never plays the race card

Wednesday morning on Facebook, Sarah Palin used the phrase "shuck and jive" to voice displeasure with President Obama's handling of the terrorist attack in Libya.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11747577/1/put-the-white-back-in-the-white-house.html

http://www.usnews.com/pubdbimages/image/38265/FE_DA_121015_white425x283.jpg

Vis
10-26-2012, 08:27 AM
More Powell:

POWELL: Not only am I uncomfortable with what Governor Romney is proposing for his economic plan, I have concerns about his views on foreign policy. The governor who was speaking on Monday night at the debate was saying things that were quite different from what he said earlier so I’m not quite sure which governor Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy.

O’DONNELL: What concerns do you have with governor Romney’s foreign policy?

POWELL: Well it’s hard to fix it, I mean it’s a moving target, one day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal, the same thing in Iraq and almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, governor Romney agreed with the president with some nuances but this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign and my concern which I’ve expressed previously in a public way is that sometimes I don’t sense he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have and he gets advice from his campaign staff that he then has to adjust or modify as they go along.

ROSE: Are you concerned about the people that are advising governor Romney?

POWELL: I think there are some very very strong neoconservative views that are presented by the governor that I have some trouble with.

Atlanta Dan
10-26-2012, 08:31 AM
You want a disgraceful playing of the race card? Here you go:

John Sununu, a top adviser to Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign, suggested Thursday that Colin Powell endorsed President Obama (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/10/25/colin-powell-and-the-fix-endorsement-hierarchy/) because both men are African-American.
Asked Thursday on CNN about Powell’s endorsement, Sununu said the endorsement might be for reasons other than policy.
“Frankly, when you take a look at Colin Powell, you have to wonder whether that’s an endorsement based on issues or whether he’s got a slightly different reason for preferring President Obama,” Sununu said.
Asked what those might be, Sununu pointed to race.
“Well, I think when you have somebody of your own race that you’re proud of being president of the United States, I applaud Colin for standing with him,” Sununu said.

As was the case with that dirt bag running for Senate in Indiana who had to walk back his statement that rapes are God's will, Sununu has "clarified" his comment that Powell's endorsement of Obama was racially motivated

A few hours after the CNN interview, Sununu issued a statement appearing to back away from the comment.

"Colin Powell is a friend and I respect the endorsement decision he made and I do not doubt that it was based on anything but his support of the president’s policies."

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/sununu-powells-endorsement-of-obama-racedriven-147310.html

Fire Haley
10-26-2012, 08:34 AM
of course it's true


Do black people support Obama because he's black?

Can a major news bureau ask a more inane question?

With something like 95% of black Americans voting for Obama, this mental giant asks the question, "Are blacks voting for Obama because he is black?"

Obama's policies are of the kind that has destroyed black families and for decades kept blacks in slavery to their plantation masters in the federal government. Blind black support of Obama is powerful evidence that black America is the most racist ethnic group in our nation.

http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=706659

Vis
10-26-2012, 08:42 AM
of course it's true


Do black people support Obama because he's black?

Can a major news bureau ask a more inane question?

With something like 95% of black Americans voting for Obama, this mental giant asks the question, "Are blacks voting for Obama because he is black?"

Obama's policies are of the kind that has destroyed black families and for decades kept blacks in slavery to their plantation masters in the federal government. Blind black support of Obama is powerful evidence that black America is the most racist ethnic group in our nation.

http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=706659


Posting an article that offensively dismissive of the decisions of millions of people doesn't help your cause.

Atlanta Dan
10-26-2012, 08:57 AM
of course it's true

Blacks support blacks but whites altruistically do not base their votes on race?

No racial stereotyping there

Fire Haley
10-26-2012, 08:58 AM
there won't be any free cell phones at the voting booths

stay home

Vis
10-26-2012, 09:30 AM
there won't be any free cell phones at the voting booths

stay home

Keep mocking that Reagan policy.

Sorry, forgot the GOP was a fact free zone. Continue your baseless rantings

cubanstogie
10-26-2012, 10:00 AM
of course it's true


Do black people support Obama because he's black?

Can a major news bureau ask a more inane question?

With something like 95% of black Americans voting for Obama, this mental giant asks the question, "Are blacks voting for Obama because he is black?"

Obama's policies are of the kind that has destroyed black families and for decades kept blacks in slavery to their plantation masters in the federal government. Blind black support of Obama is powerful evidence that black America is the most racist ethnic group in our nation.

http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=706659

these blind libs even try to distort facts. Facts are 95 percent of blacks voted Obama. facts are black men are more likely to go to prison than a white man. They call those statements racism, people with common sense call them facts. Now libs are hanging on to social issues like abortion and Romney denying women their nine dollar a month birth control pills instead of giving Americans the facts on Benghazi or coming up with a plan to balance budget besides taxing the rich. Which won't put a dent in the deficit. The fact that these loons would vote for a guy who did nothing he promised 4 years ago is telling. Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing but hoping for a different outcome. There are all insane by definition. Unless they want the same outcome of doubling the deficit, healthcare prices rising, companies going to other countries because they cant afford to operate here. The list could go on but I think you get the point. The polls are looking good for Romney thank god it looks like some lemmings finally opened their eyes.

Atlanta Dan
10-26-2012, 10:04 AM
these blind libs even try to distort facts. Facts are 95 percent of blacks voted Obama. facts are black men are more likely to go to prison than a white man. They call those statements racism, people with common sense call them facts. Now libs are hanging on to social issues like abortion and Romney denying women their nine dollar a month birth control pills instead of giving Americans the facts on Benghazi or coming up with a plan to balance budget besides taxing the rich. Which won't put a dent in the deficit. The fact that these loons would vote for a guy who did nothing he promised 4 years ago is telling. Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing but hoping for a different outcome. There are all insane by definition. Unless they want the same outcome of doubling the deficit, healthcare prices rising, companies going to other countries because they cant afford to operate here. The list could go on but I think you get the point. The polls are looking good for Romney thank god it looks like some lemmings finally opened their eyes.

Dismal support for Republicans among minorities is a long-term problem for the GOP in a rapidly diversifying nation. Fully 91 percent of Romney’s support comes from white voters....

There is no way to tell from these findings what role, if any, racial prejudice may play on either side of the racial gap...

The national polling data do mask important regional differences.

Even though Obama lost white voters overall in 2008, he won 50 percent or more of their votes in 18 states and the District.

And some state-by-state polling has indicated that Obama is performing better among white voters in key states he needs to collect the 270 electoral college votes to win reelection.

In Ohio this year, he trails Romney by six percentage points among whites in a new poll by Time magazine, far under his margin nationally. In Ohio, Romney is winning white men by nearly 20 points, 56 percent to 38 percent, but white women are breaking narrowly for the president, 49 percent to 43 percent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/poll-shows-widening-racial-gap-in-presidential-contest/2012/10/25/9d5be0d4-1ed1-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_story.html

So when you work through the data it looks like Obama is getting clobbered by white voters in heavily GOP States (aka the South) - gee I wonder what might be motivating that?

Atlanta Dan
10-26-2012, 10:15 AM
Well this certainly cancels out the Colin Powell endorsement

Meat Loaf Endorses Romney

“There has stormclouds come over the United States.” (Yes, he said it just like that.)

“There is thunderstorms over Europe,” Meat Loaf said. “There are hailstorms, and I mean major hailstorms, in the Middle East. There are storms brewing through China, through Asia, through everywhere, and there’s only one man that on the other night when President Barack Obama, God bless him, said to Mitt Romney, ‘The cold war is over.’ I have never heard such a thing in my life. The man needs to understand Putin and Russia, so I want you to know that there is one man who will stand tall in this country and fight the storm and bring the United States back to what it should be … Gov. Mitt Romney!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/rocking-the-vote-meat-loaf-endorses-romney/

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tony hipchest
10-26-2012, 10:38 AM
looks like the GOP and their droogies have nowhere left to turn but to the race card. im suprised it took killer this long to hold hands with vinnie and go skipping through the cotton fields.

Vis
10-26-2012, 10:55 AM
Well this certainly cancels out the Colin Powell endorsement

Meat Loaf Endorses Romney

“There has stormclouds come over the United States.” (Yes, he said it just like that.)

“There is thunderstorms over Europe,” Meat Loaf said. “There are hailstorms, and I mean major hailstorms, in the Middle East. There are storms brewing through China, through Asia, through everywhere, and there’s only one man that on the other night when President Barack Obama, God bless him, said to Mitt Romney, ‘The cold war is over.’ I have never heard such a thing in my life. The man needs to understand Putin and Russia, so I want you to know that there is one man who will stand tall in this country and fight the storm and bring the United States back to what it should be … Gov. Mitt Romney!

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/rocking-the-vote-meat-loaf-endorses-romney/


I think somebody somewhere must be tolling a bell

Fire Haley
10-26-2012, 01:36 PM
these blind libs even try to distort facts. Facts are 95 percent of blacks voted Obama. facts are black men are more likely to go to prison than a white man. They call those statements racism, people with common sense call them facts..

Exactly, the libs cling to their White Guilt mantra like it will shield them from the truth

http://media.nowpublic.net/images//7a/e/7ae91754d05244f8c2b571461d9b6bb7.jpg

Atlanta Dan
10-26-2012, 05:23 PM
Exactly, the libs cling to their White Guilt mantra like it will shield them from the truth

http://media.nowpublic.net/images//7a/e/7ae91754d05244f8c2b571461d9b6bb7.jpg



Because we all know Dr. King and John Sununu would be in the same party today

Vis
10-26-2012, 08:51 PM
Nate Silver currently has your President with a 74.4% chance of winning

Vincent
10-26-2012, 10:24 PM
Nate Silver currently has your President with a 74.4% chance of winning

In a pig's eye.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...on-prediction/
Romney wins in a landslide -- Las Vegas oddsmaker doubles down on prediction
By Wayne Allyn Root
Published October 09, 2012
FoxNews.com

Yes, you read that headline correctly. I am a Las Vegas oddsmaker (and former Libertarian vice presidential candidate) and here's why I am so boldly predicting a Romney landslide.
In November of 2004, only days before the presidential election, I went on CNBC and predicted a Bush victory by 3 points and 30 electoral votes. Every poll at the time showed Kerry in the lead. Bush won by 3 and 35. Newsmax magazine called it the most accurate prediction of 2004.

In October of 2006, I went on Fox News to predict the GOP would get slaughtered in the midterm election and lose Congress. They did.

In December 2011, before the GOP primary, I predicted Mitt Romney would win the GOP presidential nomination and go on to win the presidency. For the next few months, Romney trailed by a wide margin to a range of contenders -- Donald Trump, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum. It seemed no one wanted Mitt for president. It seemed no one believed in Mitt. No one, that is, except this Las Vegas oddsmaker and capitalist evangelist.

Fast forward to Spring 2012 after Romney clinched the GOP nomination, but trailed in every poll to President Obama. I boldly predicted a Mitt Romney landslide on Election Day, November 6.

Fast forward to June 2012, when experts predicted a defeat for Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker in his recall election. Unions were pouring unheard of sums into the race in a longtime Democratic state that welcomes union rights. I boldly predicted a Walker landslide victory of 7 to 10 points. He won by exactly 7 (despite reported Democratic voter irregularities).

For the past month, as Mitt Romney trailed badly in almost every poll, especially in the all-important battleground states, I continued to predict a big Romney victory. Today I’m making it official:

I’m doubling down. Mitt Romney will win the presidency, and it won’t be close.

I’m predicting a 5 to 7 point popular vote victory. Electorally it won’t even be that close. Romney will win many states that went to Obama in 2008. I’m predicting Romney victories in Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Virginia, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, North Carolina, and Indiana. I predict a Romney victory by 100 to 120 electoral votes.

In the days before the first presidential debate, polls showed Romney trailing badly in most of those states. But, as I’ve argued from day one, the polls are wrong. They are badly skewed towards Democrats. Quite simply they are over-polling Democratic voters and assuming a turnout that looks like 2008, when record numbers of Democrats came out for Obama.

After Romney’s overwhelming victory in the first debate he now leads, or is dead even in battleground states where, only days before, he was supposedly way behind. My contention is a 1 point Romney lead in those Democrat-skewed polls is really a comfortable 5 to 7 point Romney lead on election day.

There are several specific reasons I predict a comfortable Romney victory on election day:

The news media is ignoring signs of mass revulsion towards President Obama. In the West Virginia Democrat primary, a felon got 40% of the vote versus Obama. In deep blue Massachusetts and Connecticut, GOP Senate candidates are even, or leading in recent polls. In pro-union Wisconsin, Walker won by a country mile. But worst of all for Mr. Obama, several recent polls show Romney competitive in Illinois -- Obama’s home state. Romney is actually winning by a landslide in the suburbs of Obama’s Chicago. Even in Cook County, the country’s biggest Democratic stronghold, Romney leads by double digits among independents (43-31) and white voters (53-40). These are very bad signs for Obama.

In 2008 Democrats overwhelmingly controlled the majority of governorships. Today Republicans control the majority of Governorships. Presidential elections are always steered in each state by the governor -- the most powerful force in state politics.

After the 2010 census, electoral votes were added to states that lean Republican in elections: Texas, Florida, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, South Carolina, and Utah. Deep blue Democrat states like New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, and Massachusetts lost electoral votes.

That brings up an interesting point. Why is everyone running away from these ultra liberal, high tax states in the first place? Isn’t that alone proof of the failure of Democrat ideas?

Next, follow the money trail. Yes, Obama is raising plenty of money, although there is now a major question about whether it's coming from illegal foreign contributors. But forget all that. What matters is that in 2008 Obama overwhelmed McCain by out-spending him 10 to 1 down the stretch. That won’t happen in 2012. Romney is even, or can out-spend Obama, in the last 2 weeks of the election. That makes a huge difference in the outcome.

Christians will turn out in record numbers this year. Obama has offended Christians again and again. Last election 20 million evangelical Christians did not vote. They will turn out in record numbers in 2012 to defeat the most anti-Christian President in US history. How motivated are Christians? Did you see the long lines around the country to support Chick-fil-A this summer? You’ll see those same lines on election day.

Voter rolls have been purged in 2012 of felons and illegals in many states -- particularly Florida and Ohio. Turnout of Democrats will be nothing like 2008.

Which brings up another important question. What kind of political party relies on felons and people illegally in the country to win elections?

The “Enthusiasm Factor” for Romney is huge. Conservatives are focused, intense, motivated, and enthusiastic. Democrats turned out for Obama in record numbers in 2008. Today they are demoralized. A big edge goes to Romney on Election Day as conservatives, white voters, middle class voters and independents turn out in record numbers for Romney.

I know several people who voted for Obama in 2008, but never again. Does anyone know a McCain voter who will vote for Obama in 2012? There are none.

Finally, history proves that a majority of undecided voters break for the challenger. Romney will take most of the undecided voters on election day -- just like Reagan did versus Jimmy Carter in 1980. Romney’s fantastic debate performance gave them confidence to choose the challenger.

This is Carter/Reagan all over again. The same horrible economy. The same economically ignorant fool in the White House bringing misery to Americans. The same economic collapse under the weight of socialist, pro union, soak the rich, demonize the business owners, policies.

I predict the same result on election day. Mitt Romney in a landslide.

And If I'm wrong- God help the United States of America.

Wayne Allyn Root is a capitalist evangelist and serial entrepreneur. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee. He now serves as chairman of the Libertarian National Campaign Committee. He is the best-selling author of "The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gold & Tax Cuts. For more, visit his website: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

Fire Arians
10-26-2012, 11:18 PM
as an independent voter i shake my head watching how feverishly people defend 'their party', what ever happened to just voting for the guy who has your best interests in mind lol.

Vis
10-27-2012, 06:15 AM
as an independent voter i shake my head watching how feverishly people defend 'their party', what ever happened to just voting for the guy who has your best interests in mind lol.

With a Sup Ct that says corporations are people, we need three more terms of a Dem just to get sane people appointed.

Fire Haley
10-27-2012, 06:23 AM
as an independent voter i shake my head watching how feverishly people defend 'their party', what ever happened to just voting for the guy who has your best interests in mind lol.

Stamp out filthy pervert blue, Go hometown red!


http://farmprogress.com/cdfm/Faress1/author/219/2012/10/romney_surging_ahead_rural_areas_1_634860653012688 218.jpg

Vis
10-27-2012, 06:28 AM
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/508b45ca6bb3f70f78000001-373-645/nate-silver-election-odds.png

Vis
10-27-2012, 06:29 AM
http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/508b46116bb3f7df77000000-753-319/intrade-election-odds.png

Fire Haley
10-27-2012, 06:43 AM
gotta love them numbers




Romney Gallup Numbers Best Since 1936

The Gallup daily tracking poll of likely voters released on October 26 shows Mr. Romney leading Barack Obama 51% to 46%.

Mr. Romney holds the lead in the nine elections since 1936 in which either an incumbent president was defeated or there was no incumbent.

Mr. Romney is even competitive with some victorious incumbents. Mr. Romney is tied with Presidents Eisenhower (1956) and George W. Bush (2004) in their reelection bids, he is ahead of where FDR was in 1940 and 1944, and far ahead of Bill Clinton’s 40% at this point in 1996.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/oct/26/romney-gallup-numbers-best-1936/

Vis
10-27-2012, 06:49 AM
A republican talking about race:

Col Lawrence Wilkerson

My party is full of racists and the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants president Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander in chief and President and everything to do with the color of his skin and that is despicable.

Fire Haley
10-27-2012, 06:53 AM
Obama lied, diplomats died.

After he helped the Muslim Brotherhood to seize power in Egypt

Impeach!

Vis
10-27-2012, 07:05 AM
Obama lied, diplomats died.

After he helped the Muslim Brotherhood to seize power in Egypt

Impeach!

You will have until Jan 2017 to try.

Fire Haley
10-27-2012, 11:08 AM
more signs

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/183556_4747781416979_733283208_n.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQ9MjaPRQsvQvUnGlmmZGovrdrZ14oG NZv6h70yscFCjbGh5Y8qAhttp://chattahbox.com/images/2010/09/ozarks_obama_billboard-300x205.jpg

Vincent
10-27-2012, 12:45 PM
A much more charitable view than I hold, but a good snapshot never the less.

http://freebeacon.com/a-brief-history-of-obama/
A Brief History of Obama
How sarcasm and insult took over the Democratic Party
BY: Matthew Continetti
October 26, 2012 5:00 am

When historians look back at the presidency of Barack Obama, they will not begin with his campaign announcement in May 2007. They will not start with his election to the Senate in 2004 or with his celebrated speech to the Democratic National Convention that year. Instead, these historians will identify the beginning of the Obama phenomenon in the antiwar speech he delivered in Chicago, on Oct. 2, 2002.

To understand Obama’s political career, these historians will say, you must first understand the visceral opposition of the Democratic base to the decisions made by President George W. Bush. Without Bush, there would have been no Obama. And once Bush had faded from the scene, once he’d been replaced by a group of reform-minded GOP governors and congressmen, and once the Democratic president had to account for the failures of his own term, Obama’s appeal faded, too. He was reduced to his core. He was simply an antiwar academic liberal, similar to the intellectuals who write our newspapers and magazines and produce our news and comedy shows. He was an isolated man of the left.

Bush was the biggest endorphin boost the Democratic Party had received in a long while. The Florida showdown in 2000 polarized the country. The left was incensed when Bush, whom they expected to behave as a caretaker president, governed along the lines he’d laid out during the campaign. His Christian faith and social conservative views repulsed liberals. Above all, his determination that Saddam Hussein had to be removed from power galvanized the antiwar wing of the Democratic Party, including a young state senator in Illinois. All of the energy on the Democratic side was coming from the youthful and networked and stridently leftwing grassroots. What unified them was their abhorrence of Bush and of “Bush’s war.” The Iraq war was less than one year old when a senior editor of the New Republic explained, “Why I Hate George W. Bush.”

The first political figure to embody the ascendant Democrats was Howard Dean. The little known governor of Vermont rode his opposition to the Iraq war, and to the Democrats who had voted for it, to prominence in the polls and fundraising in 2003. Dean really had little to offer his supporters besides his angry denunciations of Bush. But that did not seem to matter. The Dean campaign became the locus for young Democrats who felt out of place in the party of Dick Gephardt and Joe Lieberman. It used social media to bring its allies together. These tech-savvy, Millennial-generation voters understood the Dean campaign less as a bid for the White House than as a redemptive social movement. Dean’s rallies assumed the form of tent revivals. The Iraq war had sparked a second children’s crusade.

But Dean blew it. His reaction to his loss in Iowa turned him into a national joke. His campaign collapsed, and his supporters half-heartedly migrated to 2004 Democratic nominee John Kerry. Kerry of course lost the election. But, in retrospect, that was not the most important lesson of 2004. The biggest takeaway was the revitalized progressive movement, which conceived of itself as the antithesis of the conservative movement that had dominated American politics since Ronald Reagan’s election in 1980. Obama’s speech to the 2004 DNC was in some sense an announcement that a divided country eventually would be unified around the tenets of progressivism.

The progressives began replicating conservative institutions. For every Heritage Foundation, there would be a Center for American Progress. For every Fox News Channel, there would be an MSNBC. For every group of wealthy Republican donors, there would be a secretive, leftwing Democracy Alliance. For every Federalist Society bringing together conservative lawyers, there would be an American Constitution Society of liberal ones. The primary mission of all the money flowing through this network of activists, intellectuals, and publicists was to sponsor attacks on Bush, his administration, and his tax, social, judicial, and foreign policies. Half of Washington was organized around the principle of opposing one man. Bush was that despised by the left.

Anti-Bush animus was the salient characteristic of the liberal bloggers who began to call themselves the Netroots. These keyboard warriors represented the peacenik attitudes of the Democratic base. They led the charge to install Howard Dean as chairman of the Democratic National Committee. They launched a series of campaigns against incumbent Democrats who had voted with Bush to authorize the war in Iraq. And they had the momentum. When the Netroots gathered in Las Vegas in 2006, it seemed like every political writer in the country covered the event. The liberal bloggers were ecstatic a few weeks later when Lieberman lost his primary to liberal multimillionaire Ned Lamont. Like the conservative followers of Barry Goldwater and the liberal followers of George McGovern, the antiwar, anti-Bush Democrats were forcing their party to move in their direction. They set in motion a chain of events that would result in the closing of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council in 2011.

The criticism of Bush, of Bush Republicans, and of the war took on a specific character. The spokesmen of movement progressivism—Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Jon Stewart, and Stephen Colbert—spoke in tones of irony, sarcasm, knowing disbelief, glibness, and snark. Liberal bloggers and op-ed writers used the same voice. A television clip of a conservative would be played, a quotation cited, and the liberal would mug for his audience, whether on screen or on the page. Their basic attitude was: Can you believe this? These people don’t even believe in science! The fools! Derisive and smug laughter would ensue. The war was not going well, America seemed in decline, and it was obvious to liberals that conservatives and Republicans were to blame. The punch lines were a signal. If you laughed, you differentiated yourself from the fundamentalist prigs running the country. You established your superiority.

The movement progressives were right to feel empowered. America truly was in trouble. The inability to locate stockpiles of WMD in Iraq would have harmed any administration’s credibility. We were losing the war in Iraq until December 2006 when Bush ordered the surge, but the gains made by the surge forces were bought at a high cost in lives and wounded. The signature Bush counterterrorism policies of detention, interrogation, and surveillance were under assault as intelligence operatives leaked information selectively to an adversarial media. The cosmopolitan, under-30-years-old Americans at the vanguard of the new progressivism saw themselves as citizens of a networked global civilization, and were ashamed that much of the world considered America a pariah nation. The deflation of the housing market, the recession, and the financial crisis brought misery to millions.

Obama, whom National Journal ranked the most liberal senator in 2007, exemplified movement progressivism. But he also had a talent for conveying liberal ideas in an inoffensive, positive way. Though he came from the university culture, where Colbert was required viewing, Rachel Maddow was “smart,” and the writings of Fareed Zakaria were gospel, Obama took pains to avoid ideological conflict. He was about hope and change, not insult and blame. He was going to be bipartisan, even post-partisan, and would govern in a manner that appealed to every American. He opposed a health care mandate. He emphasized his plans to cut middle class taxes and reduce government spending. Above all, Obama was not going to be Bush, whose approval ratings tanked as first Democrats, then independents, and finally Republicans abandoned him.

It’s been said that Americans correct for the failings of past presidents. Obama’s fluency and sharpness and cool were seen as antidotes to Bush’s inarticulateness and gut decision-making. Obama’s campaign started off with the liberal, antiwar core of the Democratic Party, the coeds and recent college graduates who had supported Howard Dean, campaigned against Lieberman, watched Hardball, and wrote screeds on their Movable Type-powered websites.

But Obama’s talents and David Axelrod’s strategy allowed the campaign to expand beyond the anti-Bush base and also take in independents and white voters. Obama won independents by 8 points. He cut McCain’s margin among white voters to 12 points (Bush had won whites in 2004 by 17 points). His hopeful and approachable demeanor, his nice family, his promise of comity and improvement—all these compensated for any doubts voters may have had about Obama’s inexperience. His first Gallup approval rating as president was 68 percent.

The untold story of the last four years is President Obama’s squandering of that good will. There’s no need to go into every detail here. Part of it was the spending. Part of it was not abandoning his unpopular health care law after Scott Brown’s shock election to the Senate in January 2010. Part of it was the failure of his economic policies to produce a durable recovery in line with historical norms. But the most important part of the story is the gradual unmasking of Obama—not as a Kenyan Marxist, but as a thoroughly typical liberal Democrat who believes there is no trouble in the world not created by George W. Bush.

Read The Obamians by James Mann and you discover that the Obama team came in thinking United States foreign policy could be fixed simply by doing the opposite of whatever Bush had done. What they found instead is that Bush’s policies are difficult to overturn because they are not as unreasonable or as superfluous as his opponents had thought. There is a resurgent global jihadist movement bent on killing Americans. Russia is belligerent not because Bush was rude but because Putin’s interests are not our own. The rise of China requires international balancing regardless of who occupies the Oval Office. American soldiers have left Iraq, but that does not mean Iraq or the world is safer. Iran is on track to obtain a nuclear weapon. Opening space between the U.S. and Israel did nothing to advance the cause of Middle East peace.

It turns out the people who supposedly knew better did not, actually, know better. Obama has been president almost for four years. Unemployment is higher than on the day he was inaugurated, economic growth is paltry, and incomes are stagnant. The cost of food and fuel and health insurance continues to rise. The deficit is double what it was in 2008 and if Obama is reelected it is not going to fall any time soon. Americans continue to tell pollsters that they see the country moving in the wrong direction.

The Obama coalition, piece by piece, has been disassembled. All that remains is the antiwar, anti-Republican core of the Democratic Party. There are more registered Democrats than Republicans, so Obama could still squeak out a second term. But he has forsaken independents and whites, the groups that swung to him definitively and significantly in 2008. He is losing independents, in some polls by double-digits. His opponent Mitt Romney is “winning the white vote by more than any GOP candidate since Ronald Reagan,” according to the Washington Post. If the 2012 electorate resembles the 2008 one, it is possible for Obama to win reelection. But if the electorate turns out to be more like the electorate in 2004 or, God help him, like in 2010, Obama will lose.

Even a narrow win for Obama, though, would not reestablish anything like the mandate and amity the president enjoyed on his Inauguration Day. The reason is that, as the Obama coalition diminished, Obama no longer disguised the prejudices, inflections, outlook, and approach of the progressive movement. A confessed reader of Andrew Sullivan’s hysterical web site, the president has taken on the maximalist characteristics of the liberal blogosphere. He is scornful and contemptuous of Romney, as could be seen in his patronizing lecture on aircraft carriers and submarines during the third debate. His campaign seizes on the most trivial comments—“I like Big Bird”; “Binders full of women”—to engage in juvenile jibes that would not make the first cut at the Late Show writers’ meeting. His rallies have become self-congratulatory comedy hours in which the assembled Democrats laugh heartily at the insults and zingers the president throws Romney’s way. Obama has been on a seemingly nonstop tour of television shows hosted by late-night comics. His new attack line that the Republican nominee has “Romnesia” was, as the vice president might say, literally taken from liberal blogs. The vice president even asked his audience at a recent rally whether it had watched The Daily Show the night before. The men who hold the highest offices in the most powerful country in the history of the world have been debased to the point where they look like fill-in guests on Up with Chris Hayes.

The Democrats allowed the progressive movement’s hatred of Bush to take over their old and storied political party. That party and movement found a champion and a path to power in Obama, but the electoral forces on which his power relied were unstable. In 2008, he satisfied the left and won the middle. Once in power, though, he kept the left satisfied and lost the middle and right.

In 2012, there is just the left. The Democrats are back where they started eight years ago. And this time, Barack Obama cannot save them.

Vincent
10-27-2012, 01:00 PM
as an independent voter i shake my head watching how feverishly people defend 'their party', what ever happened to just voting for the guy who has your best interests in mind lol.

That is what most people are expressing. Few but the likes of Vis shill for parties.

In my case, I want to see the Republic go forward, and as an independent, opine and vote AGAINST the pos (http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2012/09/09/satan_finally_found_his_political_partythe_democra ts).

Of the 11 presidential candidates I've voted for, none but Dutch was compelling. Nixon, Ford, GHWB, Bobdole, W, Crazy John, and Romney? Puh-leeze! But the alternatives were unacceptable. Although, contrasted to the stalinist rat bastard that occupies the White House, Romney is growing on me. I think he'll make a halfway decent president.

MACH1
10-27-2012, 01:06 PM
The Ku Klux Klan was established after Southern Democrats


The Ku Klux Klan was established after Southern Democrats lost the Civil
War to the Republican Party. They were thought of as the "militant arm"
of the Democrat Party and sought to kill former Black slaves, Irish
slaves, Oriental Slaves & the Republicans who freed them all. The
late Senator Robert Byrd recruited for the KKK and was a Senator from
West Virginia.

And to add to that:
Our nation's top historians reveal that the Democratic Party gave us the
Ku Klux Klan, Black Codes, Jim Crow Laws and other repressive legislation which
resulted in the multitude of murders, lynchings, mutilations, and
intimidations (of thousands of black and white Republicans). On the
issue of slavery: historians say the Democrats gave their lives to
expand it, the Republicans gave their lives to ban it. "--The KKK was
the terrorist wing of the Democrat Party.--"

The Democrats:

Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it.

Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.

Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.

Democrats fought to keep blacks in slavery and away from the polls, and they started the Ku Klux Klan to terrorize them.

Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Keagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.

Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil
Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.

Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.

Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a
Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.

Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation
throughout the federal government immediately upon taking
office in 1913.

Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first
appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan,
Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.

Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry
Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.

Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.

Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.

Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala.,
unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.

Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protestors were fighting.

Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.

Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in
1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.

Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.

Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.

Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.

Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.

Democrat President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright,
an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation.

Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.

Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the
Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.

Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.

Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

Regarding the Republican Party, historians report that while Democrats were busy
passing laws to hurt blacks, Republicans devoted their time to passing
laws to help blacks. Republicans were primarily responsible for the
following Civil Rights legislation:

1. The Emancipation Proclamation
2. The 13th Amendment
3. The 14th Amendment
4. The 15th Amendment
5. The Reconstruction Act of 1867
6. The Civil Rights of 1866
7. The Enforcement Act of 1870
8. The Forced Act of 1871
9. The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
10. The Civil Rights Act of 1875
11. The Freeman Bureau
12. The Civil Rights Act of 1957
13. The Civil Rights Act of 1960
14. The United State Civil Rights Commission

And gave strong bi-partisan support and sponsorship for the following
legislation

15. The Civil Rights Act of 1964
17. The Voting Rights Act of 1965
18. The 1968 Civil Rights Acts
19. The Equal Opportunity Act of 1972
20. Goals and Timetables for Affirmative Action Programs
21. Comprehensive Employment Training Act of 1973
22. Voting Rights Act of Amendment of 1982
23. Civil Rights Act of 1983
24. Federal Contract Compliance and Workforce Development Act of 1988

Programs By Republicans & their Supporters include:

a. Many of our key traditional Black Colleges are named after Republicans Colleges
b. The Freedman Bureau
c. Historians say that three whites that opposed the Democrat's racist
practices, including the lynching of blacks, founded and funded the NAACP

Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican because:
The Republicans enacted civil rights laws in the 1950's and 1960's, over the objection of Democrats.

Republicans founded the HCBU's and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Democrats.

Republicans pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.

Republicans fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.

Republicans pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.

Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.

Republican
President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme
Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education
decision.

Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not
Democrat President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the
civil rights laws of the 1960's.

Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the
Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.

Republican and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c48_1342907320

MACH1
10-27-2012, 01:14 PM
Obama:

"As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides," Obama said. "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it."

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGmFVcVP-MWHxh9at2Q3JWZRnKLhxIl62T72fR8mTWNrrYbfkrOQ

Vincent
10-27-2012, 01:19 PM
Contrast that sordid history with...

http://www.ccrgop.org/CivilRights.htm
Honoring 150 Years of Republican Civil Rights Achievements

This year marks an important anniversary -- and it’s a big one. Our party is a century and a half old this year. That is a big, big event: after all -- a 150th anniversary doesn’t come along but once … every 150 years.

It was 150 years ago this year that our party was founded in a small midwest town. Take a moment to think what was going on 150 years ago: John Phillip Sousa was born. Sacramento became the capital of our state. The San Francisco Gas Company illuminated its first gaslights. That’s the world in which a few people in a schoolhouse in Ripon, Wisconsin came together to map strategy and to form the Republican Party.

The history of our party is as remarkable as it is untold, and it is under-appreciated for that reason. Just in the area of civil rights, there is no way in these brief comments that I can do anything like a comprehensive presentation. But I can tell you that for the last two years, the Republican Policy Committee in the United States Congress has been working to chronicle the Republican civil rights history, gathering thousands of facts, dates, and events. And today we are proudly issuing the 2005 Republican Freedom Calendar.

Unfortunately, the Republican Freedom Calendar has only 365 days. And so we have had to pick 365 out of hundreds and hundreds of additional civil rights accomplishments. It is truly impressive to go through this. I have learned an extraordinary amount about our party as a result of this project.

The Republican Party, I am absolutely confident in saying, is the most effective political organization in the history of the world in advancing the cause of freedom. Frankly, we haven’t had any competition.

The mission of our party was clearly stated by Abraham Lincoln: “to lift the artificial weights from all shoulders, and clear the paths of laudable pursuit for all.” His use of the word “pursuit” recalls Thomas Jefferson’s words in the Declaration of Independence. Just as America’s founding document declared our right to pursue happiness, the Republican philosophy has always been focused on opportunity -- not equality of outcome, but equality of opportunity. The “artificial weight” that Lincoln is talking about is, of course, the weight of the state. In the
most egregious form of statism, the government imposed slavery on millions of Americans.

Today, the animating spirit of the Republican Party is exactly the same as it was at its founding: free minds, free markets, free expression, and unlimited opportunity. Leading the organized opposition to these ideas 150 years ago, just as today, was the Democratic Party -- in the form, then as now, of politically correct speech; a preference for government control over individual decision making (and of course slavery was the most extreme form of government control); government control of enterprise; and an insistence on seeing people as members of groups, rather than as individuals. It was that refusal to see the unique value of every individual that
was at the heart of the Democrats’ support of slavery.

So on this 150th anniversary, it is useful to look back. This morning, I will speak briefly on four of the significant accomplishments of the Republican Party in the area of individual rights and freedoms:

First, the role of our party in bringing an end to slavery in the United States.

Second, the role of our party in extending the right to vote to men and women of all backgrounds, of all races, and of all creeds.

Third, the leadership role of our party in ushering in the modern civil rights era.

And fourth, the leading role of our party in establishing an American policy of peace through strength that has freed hundreds of millions of people around the world from slavery and brought freedom, democracy, women’s rights, and minority rights to the former Soviet Empire and across central and eastern Europe, Asia, and the Middle East.

From President Lincoln’s victory in the Civil War, to President Reagan’s victory in the Cold War, to President Bush’s liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq, the policies of the Republican Party have brought freedom to a major portion of the planet’s population that previously lived in slavery.

These astounding achievements are the result of our party’s establishment with a fundamentally different vision than the Democrats whom we formed to oppose 150 years ago.

We started our party with the express intent to protect the American people from the Democrats’ pro-slavery policies that made people inferior to the state. The Democrats didn’t just oppose Republicans, or merely tolerate racial discrimination; they were aggressively pro-slavery -- so much so that they were alternately referred
to as the “Slaveocrats.”

So on March 20, 1854, our founders decided to take them on. They drafted plans and platforms, and in the space of a few months, put together Republican Party organizations across the Northern and Western portions of the United States.

The first Republican state convention was held in Jackson, Michigan just a few months later in July. The first meeting of the Republican National Committee was two years later. Three months after that, the first Republican National Convention was held in Philadelphia.

That first Republican National Convention nominated our first presidential candidate, who -- as everyone here knows -- was a former U.S. Senator from California, John C. Fremont. He didn’t win, but just four years later, a former member of the House did win, carrying the Republican standard. And not only did Lincoln win the presidency, but his coattails were so long and so broad that Republicans won majorities -- big majorities -- in both the House and in the Senate.

In fact, after the election of 1860, every single governor in every northern state in the United States was a Republican. This was phenomenal progress in the space of just a few years. It was possible because our party was based on such a powerful idea. We know now that we don’t win elections unless we have ideas behind us. The history of the Republican Party is an amazing example of how much can be accomplished if your ideas are big enough.

These Republican majorities, and the strength of our ideas, enabled us to fight and win the Civil War. This same Republican commitment to individual freedom led our nation through Reconstruction, and guided our policies to the end of the 19th century and throughout the 20th century, to make the United States of America what it is today: a beacon of hope and freedom for the entire world.

Military histories of the Civil War are commonplace. There is an enormous industry dedicated to producing DVDs, videos, movies, and books about the military aspects of the Civil War. But all too little attention is paid to the political aspects of the Civil War. For many years after the Civil War, the history books accurately described the Republican Party’s leading role in preserving the Union and ending slavery. But as history faded, and college professors became more partisan and politically tendentious, the facts were lost. “History” changed. The facts didn’t change, but our history books did.

Today, students are taught that Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation was an eccentric individual act, and that Lincoln rose above politics in issuing it. In fact, the opposite was true. This was a profoundly political act, which had been expressly authorized by the U.S. Congress in a hotly debated law. Both the House and the Senate had solidly Republican majorities, which -- over strong Democratic opposition – had passed the Confiscation Act.

That law stated very clearly that slaves belonging to rebels were free. By signing the Emancipation Proclamation, President Lincoln was implementing that statute. Freeing the slaves was thus a political question that every Republican in Congress voted for, and every Democrat voted against.

At the end of the war, despite their strong majorities, Republicans in Congress knew they wouldn’t have a majority forever. Anticipating that the Democrats might someday come back into power, Republicans unanimously voted for what became the 13th Amendment to the Constitution -- thereby putting an end to slavery.

The Republicans in Congress went on to pass the nation’s first ever Civil Rights Act, extending citizenship and equal rights to people of all races, all colors, and all creeds. Notice that Republicans didn’t take the political approach that they might have, limiting themselves to saying that former slaves would now be treated equally, or only blacks or African-Americans would gain their civil rights. We said all people, all colors, all creeds -- because that’s the way Republicans think. The founders of the Republican Party were simply putting in force the stated ideals of the Founding Fathers, so that our government would finally recognize that all people are created equal, and that all should enjoy the right to pursue happiness.

Republicans have always believed that every man and woman is created equal. This is not a choice that can be made for us by others. It isn’t up to our government. So we required our government to fulfill that promise.

The same year as the first Civil Rights Act, Republicans in Congress wrote another constitutional amendment to extend even further the scope of our civil rights legislation. We extended the concepts of due process of law, and equal protection of the laws, to every state. Now, every state -- even those where Democrats held sway -- would have to implement these principles. No longer just at the federal level, but at the state level as well, the civil rights of every American individual would be protected.

This major civil rights advance -- what we now know as the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution -- is a purely Republican achievement, because every single Democrat in Congress voted against the 14th Amendment. That is another fact deftly omitted from American history textbooks these days: we owe our Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection of the laws and due process to Republicans, and this bedrock of American civil rights was unanimously opposed by the Democrats.

Three years later, in 1869, the Republicans proposed yet another constitutional amendment, this one specifically guaranteeing blacks the right to vote. The same partisanship was in evidence: 98% of Republicans voted for it; 97% of the Democrats voted against it.

Seven years later, Republicans in Congress authored what was then, and what remains today, the most sweeping Civil Rights legislation ever enacted. The 1875 Civil Rights Act guaranteed the right of equal access to all citizens in all public accommodations -- whether or not owned or controlled by the government. Now that phrase, “public accommodations,” is very familiar to us today, because it was at the heart of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which became the focal point of the 1960s civil rights movement. The reason that this question was before the Congress again in the 1960s is that the 1875 Civil Rights Act only lasted for eight years before the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional. What finally became law in 1964, therefore, was the original Republican legislation of 90 years earlier. Not surprisingly, in 1964 a significantly higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

The Democrats’ opposition to Republican efforts to protect the civil rights of African-Americans lasted not just through the Reconstruction era, but well into the 20th Century. In the South, the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party, the Ku Klux Klan, virtually destroyed the Republican Party -- which did not recover enough to become a force in the region until President Reagan’s message of freedom and equality for all prevailed in the 1980s.

Every single African-American in Congress, House and Senate, until 1935 was a Republican.

In 1872, the first black governor took office in Louisiana. I love his name: Pinckney Pinchback, a great Republican. Our own state of California was the first to have a Hispanic governor. Can you guess his political party? Republican Romualdo Pacheco became governor in 1875, long before anybody had ever heard of Cruz Bustamante.

The first Hispanic U.S. Senator was elected from New Mexico in 1928. You guessed it -- he was a Republican, Octaviano Larrazolo.

Republicans led the fight for women’s voting rights -- and the Democrats, as a party, opposed civil rights for women. All of the leading suffragists -- including Susan B. Anthony, Lucretia Mott, and Elizabeth Cady Stanton -- were Republicans. In fact, Susan B. Anthony bragged, after leaving the voting booth, that she had voted for “the Republican ticket -- straight.”

The suffragists included two African-American Republican women who were also co-founders of the NAACP: Ida Wells and Mary Terrell, great leaders of our party, both of them.

The first women delegates to a national party convention did not go to the Democratic National Convention, they went to the Republican Convention. In fact, for years Democrats kept women out, while Republicans were letting women in. The goal of the Republican suffragists, including their male Republican elected official friends, was to add an amendment to the Constitution that would give women the right to vote. Sadly, there is not a single California schoolbook in use today that tells students it was a Republican U.S. Senator from California, Aaron Sargent, who authored the women’s suffrage amendment -- or that he named it in honor of another great Republican, Susan B. Anthony.

Senator Sargent introduced the Susan B. Anthony Amendment in 1878, but it didn’t become the law of the land until 1920. Why? Because Republicans did not have majorities in both the House and the Senate at the same time, and the Democrats kept voting against it. But, in the meanwhile, in 1916, Montana -- which had by state law given women the right to vote -- elected Jeannette Rankin to be the first woman to serve in the United States Congress. She, of course, was a Republican.

Continued...

Vincent
10-27-2012, 01:20 PM
Continued...

In the national election two years later, in 1918, Republicans won majorities in both the House and the Senate. We then swiftly passed the Women’s Suffrage Amendment. And 1920, therefore, was the first presidential election in which all women could vote. What do you think most women in America did? They voted for Warren Harding. In fact, I remember having a conversation with my grandmother about this. I talked to her about the first time she was able to vote, and I asked her, “Who did you vote for?” She looked at me as if I were crazy. “Of course,” she answered, “I voted for the Republicans. They gave us the vote.” That’s why the Republican
landslide for Harding was so big that year.

Meanwhile, in the face of the Democrats’ continued terrorizing of Republican organizational activity in the South, many courageous Republicans were standing up nonetheless. One of the great Southern leaders of that era who was openly calling himself a Republican and drawing attention to his cause was Booker T. Washington, the famed educator and founder of Alabama’s Tuskegee Institute. But even a man as distinguished as this, and even in the 20th century, was opposed by a still-racist Democratic Party. When Republican President Teddy Roosevelt had the temerity to invite Booker T. Washington to dine with him in the White House, the Democrats raised holy hell through the media. They said it was a scandal, and outrageous, and an atrocity.

Republicans led the integration of pro sports. Branch Rickey, owner of the Brooklyn Dodgers, was a Republican businessman who hired his fellow Republican, Jackie Robinson. Together they integrated Major League Baseball when Jackie Robinson took the field in 1947 for his first game. In addition to being a great athlete, a great Dodger, and a great American, Jackie Robinson was a great Republican -- and a very outspoken one.

This year, 2004, is the 50th anniversary of the modern civil rights movement, which most people date to the Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court decision. That opinion was written by a Republican Chief Justice appointed by a Republican President, Dwight Eisenhower. And of course that Republican Chief Justice had been our three-term Republican Governor here in California, and he’d been our Republican nominee for Vice President of the United States in 1948: Earl Warren.

Three years after Brown, President Eisenhower won passage of his landmark Civil Rights Act of 1957. Now remember, the nation had just ended a long stretch of Democratic administrations -- nearly four terms of FDR, and seven years of Truman -- and yet there had been no civil rights legislation at all. In fact, the Republican Civil Rights Act of 1957 was the first U.S. civil rights legislation in eight decades.

Another great Republican, U.S. Senator Everett Dirksen of Illinois, authored and introduced the 1960 Civil Rights Act. It was also he who was most responsible -- more than any other individual -- for the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. As Republican Leader in the Senate, even though his party was in the minority, Dirksen crafted the strategy that overcame long odds and tenacious Democratic opposition.

The Democrats weren’t just internally conflicted about the 1964 Civil Rights Act; a significant number of them actually filibustered it -- preventing an up or down vote on the bill. Eventually, however -- thanks to Dirksen’s leadership -- this landmark legislation did get the vote it deserved. As with all of the previous civil rights legislation in our nation’s history, it passed with significantly more support from Republicans than from Democrats. The same was true for the 1965 Voting Rights Act, which became law the following year.

Which political party gave our nation the first Asian American Senator in the United States Senate? The Republican Party -- and it was the esteemed Hiram Fong of Hawaii. The first African American Senator after Reconstruction? Republican Ed Brooke from Massachusetts. The first Asian American federal judge? Republican Herbert Choy, appointed to the U.S. Court of Appeals, by President Nixon, for whom I served as law clerk.

The first woman on the Supreme Court? Everyone knows that. But you may not have known that before she became a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, Arizona Republican Sandra Day O’Connor was the first woman to be Majority Leader in the legislature of any state.

The first Hispanic member of the President’s Cabinet? Republican Lauro Cavazos, Secretary of Education under President Reagan.

It was President Ford who, in 1976, repealed FDR’s notorious executive order interning 120,000 Japanese Americans during World War II.

We can be proud of Republican appointments such as Justice Clarence Thomas, the former Chairman of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission; Colin Powell, the first African American to be National Security Advisor or Secretary of State; Condoleezza Rice, the first woman to serve as National Security Advisor; and Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao, the first Asian American woman in any president’s
Cabinet.

This remarkable, unbroken 150-year string of civil rights achievements is the reason that, this year, we are so proud to publish the 2005 Republican Freedom Calendar. Our party has a great story to tell. There is also much work still to be done to secure the God-given rights of all men and women, and the Republican Party is
leading the way.

Ronald Reagan was fond of saying that the United States of America is the only country on Earth, now or at any time in history, that was founded not on race or nationality, but on an ideal. Republicans, from the founding of our party to this very day, have been carrying forward this ideal of individual freedom.

Now, in our 150th year as a party, we have not only an opportunity to reflect, but also a chance to advance our cause of promoting freedom. This is a presidential election year, and the choice could not be more stark.

Today, our nation is carrying the torch of freedom to oppressed people across the globe. President Bush and the Republican Party have led America to throw off the “chains of oppression” in Afghanistan, and to free millions of women from the shackles of Taliban rule. Afghan women can now vote; they can go to school; they can practice their professions; and women are no longer required to be fully covered from head to toe when in public. In response to this American victory for human rights, Michael Moore, John Kerry, and John Edwards have only criticism.

President Bush and the Republican Party have led America to liberate Iraq, freeing more than 24 million people from a brutal, murderous dictator who piled more than 400,000 men, women, and children in mass graves -- and who killed more than one million of his fellow citizens. Iraqi men and women are now building their own democracy, as a free people. But John Kerry, Michael Moore, and John Edwards say that spreading democracy in the Middle East is a fool’s errand unworthy of America.

Republicans disagree, as we have for 150 years. We believe that governments have no right to enslave people, and that our own liberties are at risk when racists, theocrats, terrorists, and murderers go unpunished and unchecked. That is why, in the end, our Republican commitment to civil rights and individual freedom undergirds our policies of limited government and peace through strength.

This year, the cause for freedom can advance or retreat. With your help, it will prevail. Pick up a 2005 Freedom Calendar. Share it with a friend. Remember: if you don’t spread the message of our party, the media, academia, and Hollywood won’t do it for you.

Congratulations on being a Republican. And happy 150th Birthday!
Speech by Rep. Christopher Cox

Atlanta Dan
10-27-2012, 01:30 PM
Vincent and Mach1

Compelling information on the GOP commitment to civil rights assuming we were time traveling and having this discussion in the early 1960s - of course a lot has happened since then

The Republicans never carried the deep South until 1964 - LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and guess what - the only States Goldwater carried other than his home state of Arizona were South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana - the GOP embarked on a conscious strategy of becoming the white folks party, which included abandoning its historic commitment to civil rights and engaging in race baiting scare tactics that are illustrated by this gem from Drudge this afternoon

REPORT: Vanloads of Somalians driven to the polls in Ohio...:jawdrop::chuckle:
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/26/is-voter-fraud-being-committed-in-ohio/

That has worked out pretty well for the last half century but certain demographic trends indicate that strategy is about tapped out

Vincent
10-27-2012, 02:04 PM
Vincent and Mach1

Compelling information on the GOP commitment to civil rights assuming we were time traveling and having this discussion in the early 1960s - of course a lot has happened since then

The Republicans never carried the deep South until 1964 - LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and guess what - the only States Goldwater carried other than his home state of Arizona were South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana - the GOP embarked on a conscious strategy of becoming the white folks party, which included abandoning its historic commitment to civil rights

That has worked out pretty well for the last half century but certain demographic trends indicate that strategy is about tapped out

That's the pos (http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2012/09/09/satan_finally_found_his_political_partythe_democra ts) party line and its all bull@#$%. The pos has been racist since its inception and has grown progressively more so as time has passed. The "4 Ss of the pos - Slavery, Secession, Segregation and Socialism. I would add to that sedition.

A war that cost 600,000 Americans their lives, and ruined the lives of countless more was waged by a Republican administration against a democrat South. Every civil rights measure of any significance was sponsored and championed by Republicans and blocked, filibustered, or degraded by democrats until 1964 when a democrat administration signed one. Since then the black family has been decimated through public "education", abortion and "social work". There is no more racist statement than "You can't survive without us". Countless lives have been destroyed by the democrat holocaust of abortion that dwarfs that of their kindred spirits, the nazis, and consumes 2-3 times (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_07.pdf) the rate of black babies than others.

Aside from minds destroyed by public "education", I can't imagine why a black would ever vote for a democrat.

BTW, the south's affinity for the GOP is backlash to the pos's embrace of socialism and all things left of morality, sanity and dignity.

Fire Haley
10-27-2012, 03:18 PM
still tanking



Florida: Sun Sentinel endorses Mitt Romney for president

Last weekend, it was the Orlando Sentinel reversing its 2008 course by endorsing Mitt Romney for president, now the South Florida Sun-Sentinel is turning heads by following suit:

Brush away all the rhetoric, all the vitriol, all the divisiveness from the presidential campaign. To most Americans, only one thing matters — the economy.

Four years into Barack Obama’s presidency, economic growth is sputtering. Family incomes are down. Poverty is up. Business owners are reluctant to assume risk in the face of unending uncertainty.

Many are holding on by their fingernails, desperate for signs of an economic recovery that will help them provide for themselves, their employees, their customers and their communities. When President Obama came into office in 2009, the economy was in freefall and though untested, he inspired us with his promise of hope and change. Now, four years later, we have little reason to believe he can turn things around.

So while we endorsed Obama in 2008, we recommend voters choose Republican Mitt Romney on Nov. 6.


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-mitt-romney-presidential-endorsment-sun-sentinel-20121025,0,1757975.story

Vincent
10-27-2012, 03:29 PM
So while we endorsed Obama in 2008, we recommend voters choose Republican Mitt Romney on Nov. 6.

So that thing Chris Matthews felt running up his leg was a scorpion?

Atlanta Dan
10-27-2012, 03:52 PM
BTW, the south's affinity for the GOP is backlash to the pos's embrace of socialism and all things left of morality, sanity and dignity.

Amazing how the deep South suddenly detected the socialist drift of the Dems only after the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed and has pretty much been in the GOP camp since except for such times as 1968 when the GOP nominated that dangerous socialist Nixon and the deep South voted for the only moderate in the race - George Wallace

Fire Haley
10-27-2012, 09:54 PM
b b b blame Obama?

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/1/7/9/0/8/0/obama-sucks-87654125967.jpeg

Fire Haley
10-27-2012, 10:00 PM
Mittmentum!!!

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6QXpO3CEAAPvHw.jpg:large



For the first time in 40 years, Iowa's largest and most influential newspaper is backing a Republican for president



Des Moines Iowa Register Endorses Romney

The Register endorsement: Mitt Romney offers a fresh economic vision

Romney has made rebuilding the economy his No. 1 campaign priority — and rightly so.

The nation has struggled to recover from recession for the past 40 months. Still, the economy is growing at an unacceptably anemic rate of around 2 percent a year and could slip back into recession depending on what happens in the European Union and China.

The workforce is still 4.5 million jobs short of the nearly 9 million that were lost in the recession. Longer term, looming deficits driven by Social Security and Medicare pose the single greatest threats to the nation’s economic security.

The president’s best efforts to resuscitate the stumbling economy have fallen short. Nothing indicates it would change with a second term in the White House.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20121027/OPINION03/121026026/The-Register-endorsement-Mitt-Romney-offers-a-fresh-economic-vision?Frontpage

Vincent
10-27-2012, 11:20 PM
http://americandigest.org/sidelines/obama-done-fork-tshirt.jpg

ricardisimo
10-28-2012, 01:37 AM
Obama lied, diplomats died.

After he helped the Muslim Brotherhood to seize power in Egypt

Impeach!
Wait a second... Obama helped Muslims take over control of a Muslim country????

I might have to rethink my opposition to him. :scratchchin:

ricardisimo
10-28-2012, 01:45 AM
more signs

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/183556_4747781416979_733283208_n.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQ9MjaPRQsvQvUnGlmmZGovrdrZ14oG NZv6h70yscFCjbGh5Y8qAhttp://chattahbox.com/images/2010/09/ozarks_obama_billboard-300x205.jpg
Gas was $1.89 per gallon on January 20th, 2009? In which universe was this, exactly?

I know that prices plummeted immediately after Obama won election, but never anywhere close to $1.89... and why would one hold that against Obama? His election spurred the drop, just as Jim Jeffords' defection put an immediate end to the Western grid brown outs. It just took a few months for the oil companies to realize that they had nothing to fear from Obama. He was a team player, just like Bush.

Bayz101
10-28-2012, 02:00 AM
Here's some blurbs:

Obama on the death of Osama Bin Laden: "I ordered that strike. I was responsible for his death."
Obama administration a week after Benghazi: "It was an out of control protest against a youtube video"
Joe Biden during the debates: "We were never told we needed more security in Benghazi."
Hillary Clinton a few days before the debate: "I take full responsibility for Benghazi."
Obama during the debates: "I take full responsibility for what happened in Benghazi."
Obama now: "We didn't deny any requests for help in Benghazi."
Panetta now: "We didn't know exactly what was going on, and didn't want to send our military into harms way."

Either someone here is lying, or extremely incompetent...or both.

Bayz101
10-28-2012, 02:01 AM
Here’s the choice:
Romney's Bain Capital invested PRIVATE MONEY in:

AMC Entertainment - 1500 Theaters, 18,550 Employees.
Burger King - 8432 stores in the United States with 10's of thousands of Employees.
Burlington Coat Factory - 475 stores, 28,729 Employees.
Clear Channel Communications - 20,000 Employees.
Domino's Pizza - 10,000 Employees.
Dunkin' Donuts - 10,000 stores, thousands of Employees.
Guitar Center - 225 stores, hundreds of Employees.
The Sports Authority - 14,300 Employees.
Staples - 1575 stores and thousands of employees.
Toys "R" Us - 836 stores with thousands of employees.
Warner Music Group - 3,700 Employees.
Obama invested TAXPAYER MONEY in:

Solyndra - BANKRUPT
Ener 1 - BANKRUPT
Beacon Power - BANKRUPT
Abound Solar - BANKRUPT
Amonix Solar - BANKRUPT
Spectra Watt - BANKRUPT
Eastern Energy - BANKRUPT
GM Volt - Solyndra on wheels.
NOTE: All of these companies were Obama campaign contributors.
$900 Billion Dollars with NO Jobs.

Bayz101
10-28-2012, 02:02 AM
"If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one?"

- Abraham Lincoln

MACH1
10-28-2012, 02:24 AM
Here's some blurbs:

Obama on the death of Osama Bin Laden: "I ordered that strike. I was responsible for his death."
Obama administration a week after Benghazi: "It was an out of control protest against a youtube video"
Joe Biden during the debates: "We were never told we needed more security in Benghazi."
Hillary Clinton a few days before the debate: "I take full responsibility for Benghazi."
Obama during the debates: "I take full responsibility for what happened in Benghazi."
Obama now: "We didn't deny any requests for help in Benghazi."
Panetta now: "We didn't know exactly what was going on, and didn't want to send our military into harms way."

Either someone here is lying, or extremely incompetent...or both.

Bingo

How the fuk do you not know whats happening when your watching it go down live.
Then jet off to Vegas as if nothing happened.

Fire Arians
10-28-2012, 02:35 AM
4 years ago - broke ass college student that couldn't catch a break, i got declined for god knows how many jobs I applied for (over 10)

3 years ago - got hired as an intern for the USGS, american opportunity credit made it much more possible to finish my education (obama program). been working for them ever since.

now - graduated, working full-time, officially in the middle class. federal employee (which makes me scared shitless of paul ryan having any say in anything)

leaning obama. not trying pick a fight with the pro-reps or pro-dems, just saying i'm voting for who's in my best interest. if romney picked anyone else but paul ryan maybe it'd swing me his way (since I'm also a stock trader on the side, some of romney's plans benefit me more in some areas)

Bayz101
10-28-2012, 02:37 AM
4 years ago - broke ass college student that couldn't catch a break, i got declined for god knows how many jobs I applied for (over 10)

3 years ago - got hired as an intern for the USGS, american opportunity credit made it much more possible to finish my education (obama program). been working for them ever since.

now - graduated, working full-time, officially in the middle class. federal employee (which makes me scared shitless of paul ryan having any say in anything)

leaning obama. not trying pick a fight with the pro-reps or pro-dems, just saying i'm voting for who's in my best interest. if romney picked anyone else but paul ryan maybe it'd swing me his way (since I'm also a stock trader on the side, some of romney's plans benefit me more in some areas)

One in a million. Congratulations. :sofunny: