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maddog78
10-10-2012, 08:35 AM
Different era, different game, but still a nice feather in his cap. The Steelers' most attempts under Terry in a season were 492 in 1979, 484 in 1980. Those numbers would have been good enough for 27th in last year's NFL.

And 1979 and 1980 were after the league implemented the Mel Blount rule. In 1975, perhaps the Steelers best team every threw the ball 337 times, almost 100 fewer passes than the 32nd team last season.

Just some perspective as the league continues to verbally fellate guys like Drew Brees and Tom Brady for playing pitch and catch across the middle.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/on-the-steelers-roethlisberger-headed-for-most-passing-yards-in-team-history-656874/

BowCatShot
10-10-2012, 08:53 AM
Different era, different game, but still a nice feather in his cap. The Steelers' most attempts under Terry in a season were 492 in 1979, 484 in 1980. Those numbers would have been good enough for 27th in last year's NFL.

And 1979 and 1980 were after the league implemented the Mel Blount rule. In 1975, perhaps the Steelers best team every threw the ball 337 times, almost 100 fewer passes than the 32nd team last season.

Just some perspective as the league continues to verbally fellate guys like Drew Brees and Tom Brady for playing pitch and catch across the middle.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/on-the-steelers-roethlisberger-headed-for-most-passing-yards-in-team-history-656874/

He already passed him in superbowl losses.

maddog78
10-10-2012, 09:13 AM
He already passed him in superbowl losses.

Terry's also ahead by a mile in "HOF teammates".

TRH
10-10-2012, 10:28 AM
Hopefully, Terry doesn't go off on one of his bitter rants about this.

Steelerfreak58
10-10-2012, 10:37 AM
All the old QBs records are going to get blown away. The new modern NFL with all of the rules changes the last 5 years have made it easy for QB's to pass and get completion yards. Arena football just on a bigger field.

Hawaii 5-0
10-10-2012, 02:37 PM
Ben Roethlisberger says Terry Bradshaw's words hurt

By Gregg Rosenthal
Published: Oct. 10, 2012

Ben Roethlisberger has been featured prominently in our early MVP watch. The stats haven't quite exploded yet and the Pittsburgh Steelers are only 2-2, but we believe Big Ben is playing at a higher level now than ever before in his career.

He's carrying the Steelers and their shortcomings more than ever. The mental part of Roethlisberger's game have improved and his physical skills have yet to decline. He's overcome a terrible offensive line and an inferior running game. His wide receivers have hurt Big Ben with uncharacteristic drops, but Roethlisberger has been accurate.

Another 4,000-yard season seems inevitable. Roethlisberger will break Terry Bradshaw's franchise record for yards along the way. It could happen Thursday night against the Titans. He's only 300 yards away, but hasn't heard from Bradshaw despite an "intermediary" trying to connect them, according to Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Roethlisberger praised Bradshaw as "The Guy" in Pittsburgh and said it was an honor to pass him. But the two men haven't had a good relationship going back to some comments Bradshaw made when Roethlisberger was embroiled in his rape controversy.

"We haven't talked," Roethlisberger said of Bradshaw. "I've never had an issue [with him]. He said a bunch of things in the past about me; it hurts a little bit when you think about family, but I've never been one to say anything to him or at him."

Roethlisberger is almost taken for granted, but he's one of the best five quarterbacks in the league. Thursday night's showcase and possible record will be a reminder of how much he's already accomplished at age 30.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000079100/article/set-to-break-record-big-ben-says-bradshaws-words-hurt?campaign=Twitter_atl

Darkstorm05
10-10-2012, 02:43 PM
I put zero credibility into the MVP Watch, since Joe Flacco was on the list. Ridiculous.

FrancoLambert
10-10-2012, 06:21 PM
I put zero credibility into the MVP Watch, since Joe Flacco was on the list. Ridiculous.

I don't agree.
If the Rats continue to do well and enter the playoffs as a high seed, he'll probably get a lot of attention and support for MVP.
I think their O is going to bail out their D quite a bit this year.

teegre
10-10-2012, 06:30 PM
He already passed him in superbowl losses.

BB's has stated, since the day that he was drafted, that his goal is to win FIVE (or more) SuperBowls for the Steelers. Why? His response: four was how many Terry won; I want to win one more than that. I guess that when Terry heard this, it hurt his feelings... or something dumb like that.

Anyway, on the day that BB was drafted, I predicted that he'd lead the Steelers to six SuperBowls, winning five of them. Ergo, that explains the one loss...

Fire Arians
10-10-2012, 08:12 PM
I don't agree.
If the Rats continue to do well and enter the playoffs as a high seed, he'll probably get a lot of attention and support for MVP.
I think their O is going to bail out their D quite a bit this year.

or the refs, they negated a touchdown that might have meant a win for KC

the replacement refs a couple weeks ago, aided flacco with 2 BS penalties that resulted in a win.

Curtain_of_Steel
10-10-2012, 08:50 PM
To bad for Terry. Ben could've said, well I want to win 3 Superbowls so i dont piss off Terry?lol Or he could've said... "Hold on let me call TB and ask him how many I'm ALLOWED to win?"

That POS Flacco is the King of Pass Interference calls, the only thing he is smart with is, he can see where to pick onand just slings it up. You watch, he will be tossing it up for grabs when our shut down corner Ike Taylor is on Smith. Ike will get 2-3 PI's the first game we meet.

Regardless of how the game changed, he is still passing for a ton of yards with what wouldve still have been a run first offense when he first came out.

Hawaii 5-0
10-11-2012, 02:08 AM
Who's No. 1: Ben or Bradshaw?

THURSDAY, 11 OCTOBER 2012
WRITTEN BY BOB SMIZIK

With the news yesterday that Ben Roethlisberger is perhaps a game away from surpassing Terry Bradshaw’s Steelers record for career passing yards, the obvious follow-up is this:

Which of the two is the greater quarterback?

It might seem an impertinent question, what with Bradshaw not only long ago enshrined in Canton but a legend of the first order, and with Roethlisberger not much more than a hair beyond the mid-point of his career.

Bradshaw is the good ol boy who charms us every Sunday on Fox as a celebrity TV analyst and, of course, the four-time Super Bowl winner -- in four attempts -- on a team that is among the few in the discussion for the greatest ever.

Roethlisberger brings no such charisma to the table. He has an off-field history he’s trying to live down and only his harshest critics would say he’s not doing a good job of it. Someone just meeting up with the post-2010 Roethlisberger might see him as something approaching a good ol boy, although not with the thick Bradshaw charm.

But this discussion is not about personality, it’s about playing. And the answer to the question posted about is a no-brainer.

As someone who knew Bradshaw well and Roethlisberger somewhat less so put it, ``If Ben had played in the '70s, there would have been seasons when they never lost a game.’’

This is no knock at Bradshaw. He’s a legitimate Hall of Famer. He also had what is arguably the greatest supporting cast in NFL history. He had four Hall of Fame players with him on offense -- Franco Harris, Mike Webster, John Stallworth and Lynn Swann. He had four on defense -- Joe Greene, Mel Blount, Jack Ham and Jack Lambert. And he had most of them for every one of his NFL seasons and all of his Super Bowls.

Roethlisberger has won his two Super Bowls with an ever-changing supporting cast that hasn’t been nearly as good. And that’s not to put down some of Roethlisberger’s teammates. He’s had great ones. But not eight other Hall of Famers for almost every season.

Here’s a large difference in the two.

When the Steelers were winning their first two Super Bowls, Bradshaw, in his fifth and sixth NFL seasons, was little more than along for the ride. Sure, he had his moments. But those first two Super Bowl were built on the back of the greatest defense of all time and a devastating running game.

When Roethlisberger was a rookie, the Steelers went 15-1 and he started 13 of those games. In his second year, they won the Super Bowl. Like Bradshaw, he was not the focal point of those offenses, but he stepped up in the 2005 playoffs, a second-year player, and gave the world an idea of what was to come. After that, he was the show. It took Bradshaw seven years to get to that level.

The numbers clearly favor Roethlisberger, who’s already thrown 168 more completions in 431 fewer attempts than Bradshaw. More significantly, Bradshaw threw two more touchdowns than interceptions in his career, 212-210. Roethlisberger has thrown 72 more touchdowns than interceptions 173-101.

But the numbers are not a fair way to evaluate the two. They played in different eras.

Roethlisberger is the master of the fourth-quarter comeback. When he doesn’t pull a game out, it’s news. With Bradshaw it was the other way. When he did, it was news.

No quarterback’s star will ever shine brighter in Pittsburgh than Bradshaw’s. But when it comes to playing the position, he’s No. 2 to Roethlisberger.

http://communityvoices.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/sports/bob-smiziks-blog

Fire Haley
10-11-2012, 10:57 AM
Ben should invite Terry to come watch him break his record - - that would be a hoot!

Atlanta Dan
10-11-2012, 11:33 AM
Ben Roethlisberger says Terry Bradshaw's words hurt

"We haven't talked," Roethlisberger said of Bradshaw. "I've never had an issue [with him]. He said a bunch of things in the past about me; it hurts a little bit when you think about family, but I've never been one to say anything to him or at him."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000079100/article/set-to-break-record-big-ben-says-bradshaws-words-hurt?campaign=Twitter_atl

Not that it matters (IMO Terry Bradshaw has become an attention wh*re), but I thought they made up when Bradshaw interviewed Ben before the Green Bay Super Bowl:noidea:

But maybe not - sounds like Bradshaw does not think modern passers breaking old records is any big deal - wonder if his record going down provides some context for these comments:chuckle:

Terry Bradshaw rips Drew Brees, Saints for approach to breaking Johnny Unitas' record

"I was a little upset that (Brees) went to the NFL to get (suspended coach Sean) Payton and everybody back to watch him break a record," Bradshaw said in an interview with WFAN in New York. "I'm like, 'Are you kidding me?' I never would have gone and asked for them back ... I thought it was disrespectful to the San Diego Chargers. ... So break it, go ahead. Hell, you're throwing it 50 times a game ...

"(The record) didn't blow me away," Bradshaw said. "I'm not much on that stuff ... I'm not into records, fellas. I'm just into winning football games. (The Saints) hadn't won a game ... I'm not into records, I'm into winning Super Bowls ... These things aren't important. We lose sight of why we play. We play to win and to win championships, not to break records."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2012/10/10/terry-bradshaw-rips-drew-brees-new-orleans-saints-johnny-unitas-record/1625289/

Steelers>NFL
10-11-2012, 11:36 AM
high passing yardage these days do not impress me much. sorry.
NFL is all about high offensive stats. has been for years.

kan_t
10-11-2012, 02:08 PM
Terry's also ahead by a mile in "HOF teammates".
This. Having an all-time great defense and a HOF RB sure help. Also the QB position was not as important back in 70s.

Darkstorm05
10-11-2012, 02:10 PM
Some media seem to be trying to stir up some shit around Ben and Bradshaw...

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/56537/roethlisberger-hurt-by-bradshaws-words

Really, why does this stuff need to be dug up again?

maddog78
10-11-2012, 02:11 PM
This. Having an all-time great defense and a HOF RB sure help. Also the QB position was not as important back in 70s.

Don't forget two HOF WR's. Super Bowl highlights are chock full of Swann and Stallworth making circus catches and long runs.

Fire Arians
10-11-2012, 02:26 PM
Don't forget two HOF WR's. Super Bowl highlights are chock full of Swann and Stallworth making circus catches and long runs.

that was prolly equivalent of ben having fitzgerald and megatron on the team with adrian peterson as rb lol

maddog78
10-11-2012, 07:08 PM
that was prolly equivalent of ben having fitzgerald and megatron on the team with adrian peterson as rb lol

And a wall of protection like Brady used to get before this year at least. My dad used to marvel how big the pocket was for Terry.

In TB's defense, it was much harder to throw back then. Rules changes have helped modern QB's immensely.

Steelers>NFL
10-12-2012, 09:52 AM
And a wall of protection like Brady used to get before this year at least. My dad used to marvel how big the pocket was for Terry.

In TB's defense, it was much harder to throw back then. Rules changes have helped modern QB's immensely.
Yes, the rules were different then. They favored the defesne more then. Knocking out and body slamming the QB. Knocking the WR down before the ball arrives etc.
Plus, Steelers as most teams were a running team first too.

Darkstorm05
10-12-2012, 03:49 PM
I found this snippet on ESPN...

"Congratulations to him, but he knows it doesn't really matter right now because we didn't get the win." wide receiver Mike Wallace on Ben Roethlisberger setting the Steelers' all-time passing record on the night the team fell to 2-3.

Anyone know where this came from? Out of context, it makes it sound like Wallace is being a dick.