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TRH
10-13-2012, 05:04 PM
The injuries keep piling up at an incredible, almost record rate. This even goes back to last year. It's getting so bad, i'm afraid someone will just walk out on the field next week and fall down with a broken ankle or a torn ACL.
Other teams suffer injuries - but nothing like this. Something is starting to stink. Are our players being trained and worked out correctly? Are their post-workout treatments being done correctly or not 'up-to-par'?

I don't like what i'm seeing. I know injuries happen. But not like this. Is and should our training staff be under the microscope??

FanSince72
10-13-2012, 07:28 PM
The injuries keep piling up at an incredible, almost record rate. This even goes back to last year. It's getting so bad, i'm afraid someone will just walk out on the field next week and fall down with a broken ankle or a torn ACL.
Other teams suffer injuries - but nothing like this. Something is starting to stink. Are our players being trained and worked out correctly? Are their post-workout treatments being done correctly or not 'up-to-par'?

I don't like what I'm seeing. I know injuries happen. But not like this. Is and should our training staff be under the microscope??

I've been wondering the same thing for a long time myself.

I mean, I know that injuries are inevitable, but why is it that we always seem to have far more starters on crutches than any other team or even any past Steeler team?

For Three decades, we had exactly Three Centers.
Yet in the last two seasons, we've had to rotate three different players in and out of the Center position alone and that doesn't even begin to address the Chinese Fire Drill we've had at Tackle and Guard.

It can't all be accidental or because of bad technique and I really wonder if the trainers know what they're doing.

TRH
10-13-2012, 07:31 PM
I've been wondering the same thing for a long time myself.

I mean, I know that injuries are inevitable, but why is it that we always seem to have far more starters on crutches than any other team or even any past Steeler team?

For Three decades, we had exactly Three Centers.
Yet in the last two seasons, we've had to rotate three different players in and out of the Center position alone and that doesn't even begin to address the Chinese Fire Drill we've had at Tackle and Guard.

It can't all be accidental or because of bad technique and I really wonder if the trainers know what they're doing.

yeah, its not just "past Steelers teams", but it not anybody else, no other team. I've never seen anything like this before.
Don't see how this strength/conditioning staff can't be looked at, and looked at very hard, by the uppers in our organization.

Curtain_of_Steel
10-13-2012, 09:08 PM
Said it earlier on another post. These guys should be fired. The let the premadonna player dictate what they do and when.
I stated earlier, Troy does not stretch, he jokes around, plays catch prior to the game.

Who is accountable? Apparently no one, but Tomlinwill take responsibility of course. Comforting.

OX1947
10-13-2012, 10:12 PM
Said it earlier on another post. These guys should be fired. The let the premadonna player dictate what they do and when.
I stated earlier, Troy does not stretch, he jokes around, plays catch prior to the game.

Who is accountable? Apparently no one, but Tomlinwill take responsibility of course. Comforting.

Nah, Tomlin willl just high five the strength and conditioning coaches and say great job!

stb_steeler
10-14-2012, 12:18 AM
Something sure doesnt jive to well with Pouncey....
Keeps injuring the damn ankle, you think by now he'd figure out how to keep from getting rolled up into the same leg.....:noidea:

Hawaii 5-0
10-14-2012, 01:49 AM
Something sure doesnt jive to well with Pouncey....
Keeps injuring the damn ankle, you think by now he'd figure out how to keep from getting rolled up into the same leg.....:noidea:

problem is, as an OL you are usually engaged with a defender and don't even see the person who ends up rolling into your planted leg...

maddog78
10-14-2012, 01:53 AM
How do you stop players from getting hurt when someone rolls up on their leg?

As far as strains and pulls, who is hurt? Woodley and Troy? Is that an abnormally high number?

Rick5895
10-14-2012, 05:38 AM
With muscle injuries you need to look at the training staff as far as game prep. as for joint injuries or bones, those things happen. Although I do think part of the problem these days is the reliance on heavy weight training. The body's tendons and ligaments is not equipped to handle the the increased muscle size and pressure put on them by the weight training done these days or the "supplementation" that goes along with that.
It's not just pro sports or pro football either, all sport at most all levels from high school forward are experiencing the same thing.

FanSince72
10-14-2012, 11:00 AM
How do you stop players from getting hurt when someone rolls up on their leg?

As far as strains and pulls, who is hurt? Woodley and Troy? Is that an abnormally high number?

Look, I have no answer for any of this.

All I know is that in the forty years I've followed this team, I cannot remember a time during which we have had so many injuries to so many lineman as I've seen in the last few seasons.

Whether that's got something to do with the training staff or conditioning or technique -- or whether it's just a really big coincidence is anyone's guess.

But you have to admit that the injury situation is pretty strange when you look at it historically.

Put another way, these last few seasons are the first time I can remember where when I refer to a player on the O-line I feel as if I have to add: "This week" after mentioning his name.

TRH
10-14-2012, 01:11 PM
How do you stop players from getting hurt when someone rolls up on their leg?

As far as strains and pulls, who is hurt? Woodley and Troy? Is that an abnormally high number?


but it's not. Its Woodley. It's Troy. It's Mendenhall. It's Redman. It's Gilbert. It's Pouncey. It's numerous rookies. It's Harrison. And on. And on. And on.
This isn't happening ANYwhere else. Regardless, the training staff needs a second look. There's no saying right now that they are the be-all, end-all, greatest trainers in the universe. They could be s*** just as easily as Ryan Mundy is s***. Who knows until they're put under a microscope.

Atlanta Dan
10-16-2012, 02:10 PM
This from Ed Bouchette's chat

With the amount of injuries on the offensive line there has been much talk about conditioning and technique being a factor in those injuries which would theoretically come down to the coaching and training staff. Do you think conditioning/training is a valid theory for the cause of this?

Ed Bouchette:
Not one bit when it comes to the line Someone told me, however, that Troy Polamalu is questioning his own training, which as you probably know has been quite different from the other Steelers with his own trainer on the West Coast.

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/chats/ed-bouchettes-chat

Given Troy's injury history it is about time for him to wonder about his training methods

Riddle_Of_Steel
10-16-2012, 04:36 PM
This from Ed Bouchette's chat

With the amount of injuries on the offensive line there has been much talk about conditioning and technique being a factor in those injuries which would theoretically come down to the coaching and training staff. Do you think conditioning/training is a valid theory for the cause of this?

Ed Bouchette:
Not one bit when it comes to the line Someone told me, however, that Troy Polamalu is questioning his own training, which as you probably know has been quite different from the other Steelers with his own trainer on the West Coast.

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/chats/ed-bouchettes-chat

Given Troy's injury history it is about time for him to wonder about his training methods

I thought Troy abandoned his usual training routine in SoCal two or three years ago in favor of training at Wide World of Sports with Ike Taylor and Mike Wallace?

Since he switched off of his normal routine, he has spent a majority of his time the last few seasons in the tub.

Riddle_Of_Steel
10-16-2012, 04:39 PM
The offensive line injuries? That is MARCUS GILBERT-- in his two seasons, he has:

1) Rolled up on Pouncey's bad ankle twice.
2) Rolled up on DeCastro's ankle and putting him on IR.

In short, I would be objectionable if I had to work on the right side of our Oline. Unless they gave me some sort of "Gilbert Ankle Insurance".

The RT has defintely taken a few steps back since last year. I just rewatched some tape from Oakland and this last Thursday-- Gilbert has been nothing short of TERRIBLE this year.

FrancoLambert
10-16-2012, 05:15 PM
The offensive line injuries? That is MARCUS GILBERT-- in his two seasons, he has:

1) Rolled up on Pouncey's bad ankle twice.
2) Rolled up on DeCastro's ankle and putting him on IR.

In short, I would be objectionable if I had to work on the right side of our Oline. Unless they gave me some sort of "Gilbert Ankle Insurance".

The RT has defintely taken a few steps back since last year. I just rewatched some tape from Oakland and this last Thursday-- Gilbert has been nothing short of TERRIBLE this year.

I tend to agree with you. But maybe just a notch above terrible, "awful."
I haven't seen much improvement in his play.
He's big but has bad feet.
I know many fans here think he's an answer long term at tackle.
It's way too early to know for sure either way but based on what we've seen???

wera176
10-16-2012, 06:40 PM
The offensive line injuries? That is MARCUS GILBERT-- in his two seasons, he has:

1) Rolled up on Pouncey's bad ankle twice.
2) Rolled up on DeCastro's ankle and putting him on IR.

In short, I would be objectionable if I had to work on the right side of our Oline. Unless they gave me some sort of "Gilbert Ankle Insurance".

The RT has defintely taken a few steps back since last year. I just rewatched some tape from Oakland and this last Thursday-- Gilbert has been nothing short of TERRIBLE this year.

Wasn't it Gilbert that rolled on Johnson too?

i've wondered about the trainers myself, but the majority of the injuries the Steelers have dealt with so far this year don't have anything to do with conditioning. (See above)

lardlad
10-16-2012, 08:32 PM
I've often wondered how much was due to Ben moving around too much. OTOH if they do their job, he doesn't have to move.

wera176
10-16-2012, 11:07 PM
I watched part of the Bungles/Stains game this Sunday and was somewhat startled to see that after NO play were there OL failing on each other or rolling around, in fact they pretty much stayed on their feet.

Made me wonder why our fatties always seem to be on the ground...

TRH
10-17-2012, 09:35 AM
I watched part of the Bungles/Stains game this Sunday and was somewhat startled to see that after NO play were there OL failing on each other or rolling around, in fact they pretty much stayed on their feet.

Made me wonder why our fatties always seem to be on the ground...


exactly. Which could lead right back to conditioning/flexibility.
Regardless, its worth looking at. I'm sure they're at least on the radar now.