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Riddle_Of_Steel
10-15-2012, 02:03 PM
Wow.

Tell me our fanbase is not THIS spoiled.... We are sub- .500 for our first time since 2006, and only 5 weeks into the season, and we need to fire Mike Tomlin?

Really?

I get that some of you are nothing but opportunists, and have been lurking in the shadows since before our last two SB appearances for your chance to slam Mike Tomlin.

The fact he made you wait 5 seasons for your moment in the limelight, is telltale.

All the Steelers need to do is fix a few leaky areas on their pass defense, and they are back in business.

And if they don't? Whoopdeedoo. We have our first sub-.500 season under Mike Tomlin, his first in the 5 seasons he has been with us.

Some of you capologists should have seen this coming. Since 2008, the Steelers saw a window and pulled the trigger-- we signed Big Ben, Harrison, Woodley, and Timmons to huge contracts, something the Steelers have never been known for.

And it isn't just Tomin. Keep in mind, there was an ownership change aroudn the same time.

We are 2-3. It is what it is. They can still pull this season together, but maybe not too.

Either way, some of you need to move your finger away from the trigger-- the Ravens fans are getting too huge a laugh out of your fair-weatherness.

Fire away.

FanSince72
10-15-2012, 02:15 PM
Everybody's just frustrated is all.

There are two types of below .500 teams; those that basically suck and those that have just had a run of bad luck. We surely don't suck and we all know that this team is way too talented to have the season destroyed by a few bad games.

I think it boils down to two things:

1. Our Defense needs to stop depending on one or two players to get things done.
2. Our Offense needs to take the rag off of the carburetor and let the engine run the way it's supposed to.


It's time to pull out all the stops and have some fun!

At this point, what's the worst that could happen?

Fire Arians
10-15-2012, 02:25 PM
i wanna see more of that chris rainey action. might as well give our young players some game time so they'll be ready next year

steeltheone
10-15-2012, 02:41 PM
With BR7 behind the center we can still win any game we play.

Fire Arians
10-15-2012, 02:44 PM
With BR7 behind the center we can still win any game we play.

i agree but if the line gets banged up any more than it is, he won't even have time to do 3 step drops

Darkstorm05
10-15-2012, 03:09 PM
IMO, a big part of the negativity comes from the way the losses came about. If we didn't have any talent and we went 4-12...well, people would be saying that's what you expect from a bunch of bums.

But we have a ton of talent on this team, and we're coming up short. We have what, like a dozen guys earning 10mil or more this year? Only a few of them are earning it. So here we are, and fans are mad that guys making huge paychecks are either riding the bench, stinking it up, or going out hurt.

If it seemed like there was more effort and hunger to win, the negativity would dry up pretty quick. For me, the worst part of the loss this week was them showing a shot of Troy on the sidelines grinning like he was perfectly happy to be right where he was instead of suited up and on the field.

ebsteelers
10-15-2012, 03:26 PM
well will always struggle on the west coast so raiders game shouldnt be a major shock.


manning on national tv first game back, roger would of done anything to help broncos.


titans on a short week, road game, must win for titans.



giants and packers last 2 years, didnt get hot till december.

thats all im saying

ebsteelers
10-15-2012, 03:32 PM
o yeah, one mor thing

look at the AFC

who has dominated?


sure ravens are 5-1 but they had 2 close ones AT HOME,
and played the chiefs close on the road.


were only 2 back of them....still play them, bengals twice..

count em... 3 teams are above 500 at this point in the AFC.

and if chargers lose, that number goes to 2...


Its not even November yet, were still within striking distance,

yet are season is over? unbelievable.


ravens got some injury issues over there espeically on d.



if we still suck in December then fine, but until were out of the playoff and afc north hunt... Steelers fans look foolish acting like the season is over...

Same Fans who declare Super Bowl Champions in August

FRIGGIN JABRONIS


the fat lady aint singing yet

maddog78
10-15-2012, 03:48 PM
Wow.

Tell me our fanbase is not THIS spoiled.... We are sub- .500 for our first time since 2006, and only 5 weeks into the season, and we need to fire Mike Tomlin?


We were under .500 after one week last year and obviously overcame it. Also, we were 6-7 in 2009, the year that reminds me of this one, losing to bad teams we thought we should beat.

teegre
10-15-2012, 03:52 PM
Riddle,

GREAT post!!! :hatsoff:

Escondido... north-east SD. So, you know all to well that San Diego Charger fans don't care when their team is 4-0... or 0-4... or 2-2. Their stadium is the same, no matter what the record: empty.

We Steelers fans (my dad being one of the most egregious of the following) are overly hard on the team... and expect 19-0 every season... and expect the defense to hold the opposition to ZERO yards in every game... while PITT's offense scores a touchdown on every drive. In other words, unless the score is 56-0, Steelers fans will find SOMETHING to gripe about.

We are a spoiled, fickle bunch.

But, thankfully, we are not Chargers fans (if you catch my drift). :wink02:

teegre
10-15-2012, 03:57 PM
Some optimistic thoughts (which I've posted elsewhere, but should eb iterated).

The 1995 Steelers started off 3-4... and made the SuperBowl.

The 2005 Steelers needed to win the last four games, to even make the play-offs... and won the SuperBowl.

The Steelers were in every game, and could have won all of them, if not for a FG either way (well, technically, a pick six in the Broncos game). Conversely, the Ravens are 5-1, but could very easily be 2-4, if a FG is made against them/taken away from them, in three of their games (Taperiots, Chiefs, Cowboys).

The line between "top seed" and "where the Steelers currently reside" depends on five little FGs.

Riddle_Of_Steel
10-15-2012, 11:56 PM
Riddle,

GREAT post!!! :hatsoff:

Escondido... north-east SD. So, you know all to well that San Diego Charger fans don't care when their team is 4-0... or 0-4... or 2-2. Their stadium is the same, no matter what the record: empty.

LOL. You should hear them bashing away at Phillip "Givers" and Ryan "The Fumble" Matthews everyday.

We Steelers fans (my dad being one of the most egregious of the following) are overly hard on the team... and expect 19-0 every season... and expect the defense to hold the opposition to ZERO yards in every game... while PITT's offense scores a touchdown on every drive. In other words, unless the score is 56-0, Steelers fans will find SOMETHING to gripe about.

We are a spoiled, fickle bunch.

But, thankfully, we are not Chargers fans (if you catch my drift). :wink02:

No worries-- not really trying to call anybody out, but I just could not believe that posts I have been reading the last two days. Not just on here either-- CBS, Steelers Addicts, ESPN etc. Everybody wants to fire Tomlin and it leaves me scratching my head.

I think if they can come up with some sort of interim solution to the pass defense (I honestly believe the answer lies in scheme), this team is still a SB contender.

MasterOfPuppets
10-16-2012, 12:57 AM
Some optimistic thoughts (which I've posted elsewhere, but should eb iterated).

The 1995 Steelers started off 3-4... and made the SuperBowl.

The 2005 Steelers needed to win the last four games, to even make the play-offs... and won the SuperBowl.

The Steelers were in every game, and could have won all of them, if not for a FG either way (well, technically, a pick six in the Broncos game). Conversely, the Ravens are 5-1, but could very easily be 2-4, if a FG is made against them/taken away from them, in three of their games (Taperiots, Chiefs, Cowboys).

The line between "top seed" and "where the Steelers currently reside" depends on five little FGs.
actually i'd say some very well timed penalties has more to do with the ratbirds being 5-1 than anything. i've never seen so many pass interference penalties work in one teams favor as they do for the rats.:mad:

Steel_Bus_24
10-16-2012, 01:33 AM
The tomlin heat comes from the fact that since he got here, this teams MO has been to drop close games to teams we have no business losing to

Every Week it seems like its a nail bitter

I think the Fire him chants are a little stupid, but he should take heat for the lack of discipline and focus.....which lead to things like us being the #1 penalized team. Far too often it looks like the Steelers think they can just go into games and coast....and the other teams will somehow be intimidated by the Steeler Tradition and black/gold uniform

maddog78
10-16-2012, 08:30 AM
Some optimistic thoughts (which I've posted elsewhere, but should eb iterated).

The 1995 Steelers started off 3-4... and made the SuperBowl.

The 2005 Steelers needed to win the last four games, to even make the play-offs... and won the SuperBowl.

The Steelers were in every game, and could have won all of them, if not for a FG either way (well, technically, a pick six in the Broncos game). Conversely, the Ravens are 5-1, but could very easily be 2-4, if a FG is made against them/taken away from them, in three of their games (Taperiots, Chiefs, Cowboys).

The line between "top seed" and "where the Steelers currently reside" depends on five little FGs.

The defensive rosters on the '95 and '05 teams was younger and better than this one. And yes, you're right - the Steelers could have won all of their games. Good teams find ways to win those. Cleveland is a few FGs away from 5-1. But they aren't.

And have you paused to ask yourself why are we struggling so badly with teams like Tennessee and Oakland in the first place? Tennessee had lost four games by an average of 24 points, and hadn't surrendered less than 30 in a single game all year. Oakland is still winless vs. the rest of the league. Why did they play so well against the Steelers?

Excuses are for losers. This team needs to start stacking wins, as coach would say. Until then, they're an average to bad team.

You are what your record says you are.

steelfury02
10-16-2012, 09:07 AM
the chances of them continuing to stink it up are equal to the chances of them turning it around - it's all in how you want to view this team as of right now. Right now, I see a team that is 2-3, and hasn't shown me that it can win on the road in a while, no matter the opponent. I praise everyone that still thinks this team can take advantage of a 5th or 6th seed, I just don't see a team that can win on the road - something required of a team that earns one of those two seeds. If they get on a roll in the end, then so be it. As of right now, they are not a playoff team. Lots of football left, and it is not just a matter of a few tweaks. There are trends peeps.

teegre
10-16-2012, 09:41 AM
The defensive rosters on the '95 and '05 teams was younger and better than this one. And yes, you're right - the Steelers could have won all of their games. Good teams find ways to win those. Cleveland is a few FGs away from 5-1. But they aren't.

And have you paused to ask yourself why are we struggling so badly with teams like Tennessee and Oakland in the first place? Tennessee had lost four games by an average of 24 points, and hadn't surrendered less than 30 in a single game all year. Oakland is still winless vs. the rest of the league. Why did they play so well against the Steelers?

Excuses are for losers. This team needs to start stacking wins, as coach would say. Until then, they're an average to bad team.

You are what your record says you are.

True, the 1995 & 2005 teams were defensively stout, but this current team is chock full of young talent on OFFENSE.

My point is not to make excuse. My point is that it isn't like this team is a lost cause. If a few FGs go different ways, this team is the top seed. As in: the Steelers are far from out of contention.

The Taperiots are 3-3. As is every team in their division. As well as the Broncos & Chargers.

The Ravens are 5-1, and benefitted from various things (FGs, TDs getting taken away from opponents) otherwise, they could be 2-4. Oh, and they were healthy. Now that they are injured (like the Steelers have been), we shall see if they continue to eke out wins. [They barely beat the Chiefs: 9-6... talk about not playing well against a bad team.]

In other words, every team in the league has been parodied down.

The Cards beat the Taperiots who crushed the Bills who beat the Cards. (Get it?)