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Fire Arians
10-22-2012, 12:22 AM
I thought Adams played pretty well, although he did have help from Miller, he still held his own.

Ben took his sacks, but he did have a lot of time against a strong Cincy pass rush. Running game had holes opening up, Colon seems to finally be settling down at guard.

on another note, that Van Dyke guy on special teams is really pissing me off, he's been flagged almost twice as much as many games he's played in, what's up with that?

pete74
10-22-2012, 05:15 AM
i agree, the line looked good and opened up holes. i love Pouncy but have noticed no drop off at all when he is not out there. Adams had some nice blocks and seems like he is getting better every week

drucifer
10-22-2012, 10:48 AM
They played NASTY!! Love it when Colon (it was him wasn't it?) kept driving what-his-name into the ground after he'd already been pancaked. Like he was trying to bury him LOL

steelfury02
10-22-2012, 11:11 AM
Looks like a prison scene lol

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/017KaFm4oY477/600x480.jpg?fit=scale&background=000000

Steelerfreak58
10-22-2012, 11:19 AM
Now if they can keep it going!

JVip
10-22-2012, 12:22 PM
Colon looked great and played with some extra attitude, even for him. Adams seems to be improving on every snap. Major props to Legs, basically no drop off from Pouncey.

Imagine what DD will bring to this line, his ability to pull and his attitude will bring them to a whole other level. Hopefully they will be a cohesive unit quickly after he emerges.

Darkstorm05
10-22-2012, 12:24 PM
Adams does fine as long as they help him out. When he has to go at it alone, so to speak, he tends to get flattened. We just need to keep the training wheels on him until he can come up to speed. I do think he'll get it down eventually, though.

steelfury02
10-22-2012, 12:34 PM
if Adams' passion for being a part of his hometown team is true, and his work-ethic is there, there is no reason he can' develop into at least a solid, reliable vet ala Max Starks - that fella doesn't get enough credit IMO. How many times has he come back to mitigate damage to the blind side now?

lardlad
10-22-2012, 12:54 PM
They played NASTY!! Love it when Colon (it was him wasn't it?) kept driving what-his-name into the ground after he'd already been pancaked. Like he was trying to bury him LOL

That was funny. I rewound that 3 times.

drucifer
10-22-2012, 02:12 PM
Aah! It was Burfict! Welcome to the NFL! :mallet: :sofunny:

casteeler
10-22-2012, 02:31 PM
The Offensive line was excellent and it really helped make last nights game feel like the 2005 Steelers!

teegre
10-22-2012, 02:54 PM
Here is why I think that they are playing well:

Starks can usually take on his guy. The Colon can eeesily take on his guy. Pouncey (or Legursky) can take on their guy. Leaving Foster to help out Adams.

It leaves no DL unaccounted for.

Whereas, Pouncey used to have to cover for Kemo and/or for Foster (who has improved).

NOTE: Did anyone notice that a lot of times, Heath would help Adams by lining up in the backfield, taking away the inside move of the DE. (And, at other times, Foster would help). In other words, it seems like Adams does well against the outside rush, but is having trouble with the inside moves.

steelfury02
10-22-2012, 03:00 PM
yes, noticed that, which IMO, is an experience issue - give it time I say

teegre
10-22-2012, 03:17 PM
yes, noticed that, which IMO, is an experience issue - give it time I say

Agreed.

My point is that it was a smart solution. Instead of "only" helping on the outside, the Steelers gave him help where Adams needed it most.

steelers33
10-22-2012, 03:18 PM
Colon played at an all-pro level drive blocking last night. It was incredible, Kemo could never do that. If he can just be more consistent and cut down on the penalties (and I think it will come with more time at the guard position) then he will be a very good player at the guard position. And if we get Pouncey and DeCastro healthy later in the year we can have a potential elite interior line. As for our tackles, Mike Adams is still developing, Marcus Gilbert seems like an average tackle to me maybe he'll get better. And Max Starks is still decent, but he still probably struggles against speed rushers.

Rotorhead
10-22-2012, 04:10 PM
Starks doesnt struggle at all, he has been our most consistant OL and rarely gets beat (as all OL do occasionally). We need to long term Starks, he has earned it.

FrancoLambert
10-22-2012, 06:07 PM
I've been ragging on this unit just about every chance I could.
But today they deserve big time credit.
Legs is a very good backup center, so-so as a guard but his play at guard has helped him as a center.
Adams had help, (good coaching!) but still did a good job overall considering what he had put on tape.
I think Willie played his best game to date. ATTITUDE!!
Foster was steady as was Starks.
The run yardage says it all. Could this unit be jelling? Add DD? :tt03:

teegre
10-22-2012, 06:15 PM
The run yardage says it all. Could this unit be jelling? Add DD? :tt03:

THAT^^^

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-23-2012, 08:24 AM
Here is why I think that they are playing well:

Starks can usually take on his guy. The Colon can eeesily take on his guy. Pouncey (or Legursky) can take on their guy. Leaving Foster to help out Adams.

It leaves no DL unaccounted for.

Whereas, Pouncey used to have to cover for Kemo and/or for Foster (who has improved).

NOTE: Did anyone notice that a lot of times, Heath would help Adams by lining up in the backfield, taking away the inside move of the DE. (And, at other times, Foster would help). In other words, it seems like Adams does well against the outside rush, but is having trouble with the inside moves.

I agree with some of your assessment, but Pouncey has never "covered" for Colon or Foster. In pass protection, Pouncey has made poor reads in the past, and Kemo was terrible at recognizing line stunts.

In run blocking the Steelers have been fine, but either had no committment to the run in the Arians era, or not had a RB that will effectively pick the correct hole until Mendenhall came back.

Guys hack on Foster, but he is a mauler in the run game and an average pass protector. Adams still looks like he lacks a strong pass set and punch in pass protection. Starks is looking like a dependable guy one week and a guy that gets caught lunging with poor technique the following week. Colon still got his hands outside the defenders frame a couple times on Sunday but didnt get caught.

The O line has all the makings of a solid unit, but its been Haleys quick strike offense and insistance on at least having a run game that has kept Ben off the injury list this far into the season.

steelfury02
10-23-2012, 11:34 AM
very true, the quick(er) decision making and limiting negative plays as Tomlin puts it, has a great chance of paying off later in the season.

If Ben continues to stay upright for the most part against good pass-rushing teams, just think what a more healthier Ben can do down the stretch

I will say this - I think the jury is still out on this team, and I'm not going to get overly-excited because of 1 win on the road, I EXPECT a good Steelers team to win. They can build on this.

I will also say this - I was saying to my wife after we were watching N.F.L. A.M. this morning - can you imagine if we get Troy and Decastro back, if the running back stable gets healthier, Ben continues to go fairly unscathed, and they can consistently play like they did in the 2nd half? I kiss her goodbye one minute later, walk into my car, turn the key, and RENEGADE was on the radio. Just sayin . . .A sign perhaps?

EbonySteel86
10-23-2012, 01:24 PM
They played NASTY!! Love it when Colon (it was him wasn't it?) kept driving what-his-name into the ground after he'd already been pancaked. Like he was trying to bury him LOL

To me, that was the most exciting play of the game! Even Chris Collinsworth said, "now that's Steeler football!!!!" Freaking Awesome!!!

Hawaii 5-0
10-24-2012, 01:35 AM
Long, solid line forms for Steelers at tackle

October 24, 2012
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers discovered something besides a road victory Sunday night in Cincinnati: An offensive line that looks as if it can shake off the shaky reputation of its past and perform at a level not seen from them in several years.

The line might have had its best game against a good Cincinnati front, and it did so with two of the five positions filled by backups. One of those second-teamers, though, might soon become a regular starter.

Rookie Mike Adams made his first NFL start because of an injury to right tackle Marcus Gilbert and did well enough to have Mike Tomlin singing his praises again Tuesday.

"We're optimistic about his talent level and what he's capable of being. He didn't do anything to hurt that assessment. I think he's continuing to be a guy on the rise. I think his performance was a solid one. I thought he was good in the run game. I thought he was good on the second level, some combination blocks, and I thought he represented himself well in pass pro[tection]. It's a nice next step for him."

This comes from a coach who through the years would hold back praise for rookies and point out that they were, well, rookies, especially after one like Adams has taken so few snaps.

Adams has done well in the past seven quarters playing for the injured Gilbert, and that sets up a possible long-term competition between their past two second-round draft choices. Or does it?

After the Steelers drafted guard David DeCastro, they said they were moving Gilbert, who started 14 games at right tackle as a rookie in 2011, to left tackle. Then, they drafted Adams, a left tackle from Ohio State, in the second round. Then, they re-signed left tackle Max Starks.

The plan shifted. Starks would play left tackle until Adams was ready to move in, and Gilbert would remain at right tackle. But their thinking could again change, especially if Adams continues to perform well at right tackle.

Adams did not do so well as a left tackle in the preseason. One source from another team cited him as too slow-footed for the position. Quick feet are not as necessary at right tackle, a more run-blocking position and one that often has a tight end to his right and does not protect the quarterback's blind side or usually go against the opponent's top pass rusher.

On the other hand, Tomlin has said left tackle is Gilbert's more natural position, and Gilbert said he'd prefer the left side if given a choice.

It sounds as if the Steelers young tackles could be in for a switch in sides. Neither is ready to move Starks out on the left. Adams, though, could stay at right tackle this season if he continues to play well there.

Sunday, Adams will face Washington Redskins outside linebacker Ryan Kerrigan, a first-round draft choice in 2011 with 3 1/2 sacks and an interception this season.
"I'm sure he is excited about having the next opportunity to prove his skills against a solid pass rusher like Kerrigan," Tomlin said.

Getting healthier

Tomlin said center Maurkice Pouncey should practice today and return to play Sunday. Pouncey missed the game in Cincinnati with a knee injury.

Gilbert and Troy Polamalu will miss their second consecutive game with injuries. Tomlin said halfbacks Rashard Mendenhall and Isaac Redman have an "opportunity to participate" as well as backup linebacker Chris Carter.

If Mendenhall and Redman return, it will create an intriguing decision for the coach. Not only who will start among those two and Jonathan Dwyer, but also who might not dress for the game. When all were healthy, Dwyer was inactive for two games in a row.

Dwyer's 122 yards rushing in Cincinnati, however, were the most by a Steelers back in more than a year.

"I thought all the running backs did a nice job, highlighted by Jonathan Dwyer's efforts," Tomlin said.

"He's a guy in the group that's working. He's evolving and maturing as a player and as a person. It's good to see him take advantage of opportunities when presented. I think that helps his cause and ours. He's a guy in development. We like how it's going thus far as we sit here today."

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/long-solid-line-forms-for-steelers-at-tackle-658881/#ixzz2ABTYrzFB

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-24-2012, 07:34 AM
Watch the last game vs the Bengals. The 3rd down play on the first drive where Wallace drops the pass that was right in his hands.

Adams gets too high in his pass set, does not strike the rusher, but instead the rusher strikes him and gets him so violently that he pushes Adams back into the pocket and nearly sacks Ben. That is the kind of lack of strength and sloppy technique that Adams needs to improve.

Ability of a world-beater....technique of an egg beater. That is what Adams currently is. IMO.

FrancoLambert
10-24-2012, 05:43 PM
Watch the last game vs the Bengals. The 3rd down play on the first drive where Wallace drops the pass that was right in his hands.

Adams gets too high in his pass set, does not strike the rusher, but instead the rusher strikes him and gets him so violently that he pushes Adams back into the pocket and nearly sacks Ben. That is the kind of lack of strength and sloppy technique that Adams needs to improve.

Ability of a world-beater....technique of an egg beater. That is what Adams currently is. IMO.

Can't coach ability, can coach technique.

Fire Arians
10-24-2012, 06:00 PM
Watch the last game vs the Bengals. The 3rd down play on the first drive where Wallace drops the pass that was right in his hands.

Adams gets too high in his pass set, does not strike the rusher, but instead the rusher strikes him and gets him so violently that he pushes Adams back into the pocket and nearly sacks Ben. That is the kind of lack of strength and sloppy technique that Adams needs to improve.

Ability of a world-beater....technique of an egg beater. That is what Adams currently is. IMO.

i'll take him over jonathan 'rollerskates' scott!

SteelersCanada
10-24-2012, 06:10 PM
I think the general consensus is that Adams has the potential to be a pro-bowl tackle, but on the right side. He's shown flashes of brilliance when he's playing RT, something he's more comfortable with. His technique needs to be coached up and polished, but his ability and talent - albeit in small flashes so far - has been impressive. When Gilbert comes back, I think it's time to have the line look like this ...

Gilbert - Colon - Pouncey - Foster (for now) - Adams

... and let him develop in meaningful games. Throw Paulson or Miller over there to give him some help, but let the kid develop. That line when DeCastro is healthy is going to be a strong point for this team which is a breath of fresh air compared to the last 5 or 6 years of a ridiculous, carousel-type offensive line.

Atlanta Dan
10-24-2012, 06:11 PM
i'll take him over jonathan 'rollerskates' scott!

Really setting the bar high:chuckle:

Fire Arians
10-24-2012, 06:51 PM
When Gilbert comes back, I think it's time to have the line look like this ...

Gilbert - Colon - Pouncey - Foster (for now) - Adams

not sure if i like gilbert over starks at LT right now

teegre
10-24-2012, 06:57 PM
I do like the goal-line line-up of

Starks - The Colon - Pouncey - DD/Foster - Gilbert - Adams

In fact, CLEV used SIX OL in several games recently... I would not mind seeing all six of them on the field.

[Obviously, I'm projecting DD in the line-up, for the end of the year... but, the point is still the same: playing both Adams AND Gilbert is a nice idea.]

Fire Arians
10-28-2012, 04:18 PM
Ben had a lot of time to throw today, and dwyer over 100 yards, and no injuries. O-line is starting to gel and I like this Adams kid

Hawaii 5-0
10-28-2012, 04:22 PM
Ben had a lot of time to throw today, and dwyer over 100 yards, and no injuries. O-line is starting to gel and I like this Adams kid

me too, I thought Mike Adams played very well and may just end up being our starter at RT for the rest of the season.

GMU Steeler
10-28-2012, 04:26 PM
No sacks today and very little pressure. I know they're missing some guys but that's still great to see. I'm becoming a big fan of Haley's offense.

jtbsteeler
10-28-2012, 04:33 PM
No sacks today and very little pressure. I know they're missing some guys but that's still great to see. I'm becoming a big fan of Haley's offense.


Look no further than red zone offense. People should NOW realize why folks wanted Arians gone. Ben should be thankful. He'll be in the Pro Bowl for sure.

GMU Steeler
10-28-2012, 04:37 PM
Look no further than red zone offense. People should NOW realize why folks wanted Arians gone. Ben should be thankful. He'll be in the Pro Bowl for sure.

Yep we're much more efficient. What were FGs in the Arians era are now TD's. I'm happy for the offense but also Haley. He's a cousin of a family friend and of course his father helped put together our dynasty in the 70;s. I love our new O a lot.

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-28-2012, 08:56 PM
Can't coach ability, can coach technique.

Yes you can coach ability. Its called strength training. All the fans think that college O linemen should be able to step into the NFL and start immediately. I for one know that Adams was weak and sloppy in his technique.

A season at RT will help him improve his technique. A year with Garret Giemont will improve his ability to anchor against strong defenders. As long as he stays motivated and working, Adams can be very successful in his career.