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BKAnthem
10-22-2012, 05:06 PM
And ol' boy needs to take a seat...I actually saw him get pancaked by Zietler last night...isn't dude a rookie???? and on other plays if he wasn't getting no push he was getting blown out of the play all together...what gives?

Atlanta Dan
10-22-2012, 05:24 PM
And ol' boy needs to take a seat...I actually saw him get pancaked by Zietler last night...isn't dude a rookie???? and on other plays if he wasn't getting no push he was getting blown out of the play all together...what gives?

He was awful on the first drive when he got pancaked when the Bengals went for it from the Steelers 20 on the 4th and 1 and ran exclusively to the right on the opening drive - Hood did deflect a pass and the Bengals did not do much after the first quarter

Hood is not going to the Pro Bowl but it is not as if Heyward is a star in waiting on the bench

defence
10-22-2012, 06:32 PM
He was awful on the first drive when he got pancaked when the Bengals went for it from the Steelers 20 on the 4th and 1 and ran exclusively to the right on the opening drive - Hood did deflect a pass and the Bengals did not do much after the first quarter

Hood is not going to the Pro Bowl but it is not as if Heyward is a star in waiting on the bench

He was brutal on the first drive. I did see him bat down three balls; but overall; I think this guy is not living up to what everyone had hoped. Time to give Heyward a chance!!

Edman
10-22-2012, 06:55 PM
Instead of shifting blame on them, how about Tomlin and Lebeau's insistence on keeping Casey and Brett in there? Casey is getting handled one-on-one and Keisel isn't doing much of anything either.

Putting Heyward in there and sure enough he will fail too. Hood and Heyward are not those kinds of players fit for our scheme. They're forced to play a scheme that is completely unfitting for them.

Ziggy is a One-Gap D-Lineman who does his damage attacking the line of scrimmage. He's being asked to eat space and keep linemen at bay when an attacking, disruptive lineman is what draws double teams. He's not tall enough or big enough to do that. He's a short stocky type better suited for passrushing and attacking.

Old Man Dickard doesn't want him to do that, so that's why he was benched to start 2011 after being a beast in 2010. To quote John Mitchell, we don't want "Supermen" on our Defensive Line, and that is pretty stupid shit if you ask me.

rich4eagle
10-22-2012, 07:11 PM
Nice interchange I will put it int my boot review

tony hipchest
10-22-2012, 07:23 PM
Old Man Dickard doesn't want him to do that, so that's why he was benched to start 2011 after being a beast in 2010. To quote John Mitchell, we don't want "Supermen" on our Defensive Line, and that is pretty stupid shit if you ask me.i see MUCH MORE stupid shit posted on this board.

who the hell was a "beast" in 2010? i certainly hope you dont mean hood after saying he cant play in this scheme. :tap:

the term "beast" is so cliche and over used, it has completely lost its intended meaning. people toss it around like nothing...

my grandma cooks a mean turkey for thanksgiving. she is "A BEAST"! ::sofunny:

the reason hood and others were "benched" is because young beastly studs such as mclendon, hood and heyward have proven incapable of providing the run stuffing dominance of even elder veterans such as hampton, smith and keisel (even von oelhoffen for that matter).

dont gimme this crap about being a better match for a different "scheme". all it takes is their beastly physicality and a few ounces of brains.

ben thinks he was a better match for arians scheme, but once he gets past the "rosetta stone" he will probably settle in to his most productive years.

while heyward is a perfect fit for our scheme, word in camp is that while he may be a "beast" his was a bit of a mental midget as well. :noidea:

Edman
10-22-2012, 08:14 PM
i see MUCH MORE stupid shit posted on this board.

who the hell was a "beast" in 2010? i certainly hope you dont mean hood after saying he cant play in this scheme. :tap:

the reason hood and others were "benched" is because young beastly studs such as mclendon, hood and heyward have proven incapable of providing the run stuffing dominance of even elder veterans such as hampton, smith and keisel (even von oelhoffen for that matter).

dont gimme this crap about being a better match for a different "scheme". all it takes is their beastly physicality and a few ounces of brains.

while heyward is a perfect fit for our scheme, word in camp is that while he may be a "beast" his was a bit of a mental midget as well. :noidea:

The 2010 Steelers had the best run defense in years, giving up over 100 yards on the ground twice all year. This is without Aaron Smith playing most of the season. Hood came in for him when he got injured and played pretty well. 6 sacks in 12 starts including the postseason.

But in 2011, "Mental Midget" Hood was benched again and an aging "Run-stuffing dominator" Aaron Smith was handed the keys again. What did we get? 170 and 180 yards given up on the Ground in Baltmore and Houston. The Run Defense dropped off a cliff.

Where is the "run-stuffing dominance" that you said Hood was incapable of and that only Smith, Hampton, and Keisel could do? You're right, Ziggy Hood can play in his scheme, but his ability has been neutered thanks to our questionable defensive coaching. Ziggy Hood was PUNISHED for his production.

SteelersCanada
10-22-2012, 08:21 PM
Where is the "run-stuffing dominance" that you said Hood was incapable of and that only Smith, Hampton, and Keisel could do? You're right, Ziggy Hood can play in his scheme, but his ability has been neutered thanks to our questionable defensive coaching. Ziggy Hood was PUNISHED for his production.

Everything he said here is correct. Our young guys are often punished and scrutinized for their production. Look at McLendon's production in the preseason and yet he's on the bench for Hampton. While I'm not convinced that Hampton is the problem on the line, it's time for Steve to get in the game with Heyward and Hood and have a young defensive line.

I think this will be the last year that Keisel and Hampton will be on this line and when there is the infusion of youth, the sack total of Woodley and whoever is on that right side (c'mon Dion Jordan!) will skyrocket. Until then, the over-the-hill linemen will keep playing and quarterbacks will consistently have 5 seconds to throw.

defence
10-22-2012, 08:46 PM
The 2010 Steelers had the best run defense in years, giving up over 100 yards on the ground twice all year. This is without Aaron Smith playing most of the season. Hood came in for him when he got injured and played pretty well. 6 sacks in 12 starts including the postseason.

But in 2011, "Mental Midget" Hood was benched again and an aging "Run-stuffing dominator" Aaron Smith was handed the keys again. What did we get? 170 and 180 yards given up on the Ground in Baltmore and Houston. The Run Defense dropped off a cliff.

Where is the "run-stuffing dominance" that you said Hood was incapable of and that only Smith, Hampton, and Keisel could do? You're right, Ziggy Hood can play in his scheme, but his ability has been neutered thanks to our questionable defensive coaching. Ziggy Hood was PUNISHED for his production.

I think you are putting too much stock into this scheme thing. I haven't been overly happy with LeBeau myself; but let's be real here. Ziggy is no beast and thats not lebeaus fault. He's had plenty of time to learn and pick up the schemes. Has it ever crossed your mind that the guy is not that good. He got destroyed on the first drive yesterday. Did you not notice cincy running right at him the whole drive. He's getting his chance to prove his worth; and as of now; he's not looking like a first rounder. And that has nothing to do with scheme.

PhantomJB93
10-22-2012, 09:08 PM
Hood has been unspectacular for a first round pick but I agree that Mclendon and Heyward need more playing time. Mclendon in particular, I'm shocked at how seldom I've seen him on the field. Hampton still takes up space but is getting pushed around more then he should and Mclendon has looked much better when he's seen the field.

Atlanta Dan
10-22-2012, 09:25 PM
Hood has been unspectacular for a first round pick but I agree that Mclendon and Heyward need more playing time. Mclendon in particular, I'm shocked at how seldom I've seen him on the field. Hampton still takes up space but is getting pushed around more then he should and Mclendon has looked much better when he's seen the field.

Mark Kaboly ‏@MarkKaboly_Trib

#Steelers snap count against Bengals: Keisel 47, Hood 45, Hampton 27, Heyward 7, McLendon 1.

https://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib/status/260490028822712323

Edman
10-22-2012, 09:57 PM
I think you are putting too much stock into this scheme thing. I haven't been overly happy with LeBeau myself; but let's be real here. Ziggy is no beast and thats not lebeaus fault. He's had plenty of time to learn and pick up the schemes. Has it ever crossed your mind that the guy is not that good. He got destroyed on the first drive yesterday. Did you not notice cincy running right at him the whole drive. He's getting his chance to prove his worth; and as of now; he's not looking like a first rounder. And that has nothing to do with scheme.

You're right, it isn't all scheme, it's our coaching as well.

Yes, Hood isn't that good a player now. Lebeau neutered him. Filling in admirably for an injured Aaron Smith in 2010, Hood was well on his way to being a solid player, but he was punished for his production by being stuck back on the bench for a aged and ineffective Aaron Smith to start 2011 and our Run Defense fell off the tracks. Those are the FACTS and you can't dispute that.

Now we're acting surprised and disappointed when he's unspectacular now. The same thing will happen to McClendon and Heyward. Ever noticed that McClendon was incredible (In the FIRST TEAM DEFENSE NO LESS) in the 2012 preseason but we barely see him now? He's been BENCHED while we watch Casey the Hutt (Fresh off of an ACL injury) get ragdolled every play.

Wait a minute, it must be he's not that good am I right? Loyalty to decaying veterans is biting the Steelers in the ass. Too bad there are still B&G Glasses wearers for can't see that.

tony hipchest
10-22-2012, 10:02 PM
lol... "preseason".

maybe we should get us some "workout warriors" as well.

keep in mind mclendon wasnt actually "incredible", you just bought into all the good camp reports and media hype.

Edman
10-22-2012, 10:08 PM
lol... "preseason".

maybe we should get us some "workout warriors" as well.

keep in mind mclendon wasnt actually "incredible", you just bought into all the good camp reports and media hype.

Is that so?

But hey, Casey the Hutt on the wrong side of thirty, COMING OFF AN ACL Injury, is a GREAT option, which he's proven this year that he isn't.

Rotorhead
10-22-2012, 10:34 PM
Well im glad your the expert in the room and not the coach with 50+ years of NFL experience, what were the Rooneys thinking when they allowed Lebeau to stay and rid of Ariens? Hell, they should hire you, with all your arm chair knowledge and obviously impressive net forum resume, to replace a HOFer! If you really dont like the Steelers, and judging by all the crying you do no matter what, you should go root for the team of the week or sit in front of your computer wishing your fantast team was real.

PhantomJB93
10-22-2012, 10:40 PM
Yeah I'm not sure I'm ready to call Mclendon anything close to "incredible" either after a good preseason, but at the same time I still think he should at least be seeing more then 1 snap a game. I know we've all heard the "old and slow" thing with this defense way too many times, but if there's one player this is true of it's Hampton, he's really just taking up space in the middle right now. I don't think he should be outright benched because his experience should not be ignored but rotating in a fresh Mclendon who has potential to be a factor in this defense really couldn't hurt.

Riddle_Of_Steel
10-22-2012, 11:07 PM
Mark Kaboly ‏@MarkKaboly_Trib

#Steelers snap count against Bengals: Keisel 47, Hood 45, Hampton 27, Heyward 7, McLendon 1.

https://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib/status/260490028822712323

^^^^That is what I have been talking about.

Heyward gets a couple snaps against the Jets and cloes out the game with a big sack-- then gets 5 touches the next week in a humbling loss to a lowly bottomfeeder.

I don't understand why they have this OCD need to keep Hampton and Kiesel in there. Watch the replays, those guys are getting owned consistently one-on-one. Snack especially.

Ziggy is serviceable if the other two guys next to him play halfway descent. But if they are stinking, he is not the elite player that can compensate like Aaron Smith was.

Mclendon and Heyward have looked like far better options everytime they received playing time over the Hutt and the Beard. I don't know why Tomlin does not play them, but heck, he's the coach, not I.

One thing I did notice, this team LACKS LEADERSHIP. All it took was a scrappy Colon and a big play by Woodley and this team came alive the other night. They can get it done, they just need somebody to light the fire under their asses. Oh and they need Taylor to not interfere.

teegre
10-22-2012, 11:10 PM
Yeah I'm not sure I'm ready to call Mclendon anything close to "incredible" either after a good preseason, but at the same time I still think he should at least be seeing more then 1 snap a game. I know we've all heard the "old and slow" thing with this defense way too many times, but if there's one player this is true of it's Hampton, he's really just taking up space in the middle right now. I don't think he should be outright benched because his experience should not be ignored but rotating in a fresh Mclendon who has potential to be a factor in this defense really couldn't hurt.

I'm saying that he should be benched. He's the one player on defense who I think flat-out sucks. I have felt that he was declining for four years, and he is currently crap. He "was" great, but like Joel Steed in the late 90s, the game has passed him by.

Do I feel that McClendon is the answer? I have NO clue... but, I'd like to find out (rather than suffer through more of Casey the Hutt waddling around).

NOTE: If McClendon is indeed NOT the answer, then NT becomes a huge draft priority... especially after Ta'amu did his Lindsey Lohan/Halle Berry imitation.

jiminpa
10-22-2012, 11:31 PM
Instead of shifting blame on them, how about Tomlin and Lebeau's insistence on keeping Casey and Brett in there? Casey is getting handled one-on-one and Keisel isn't doing much of anything either.

Putting Heyward in there and sure enough he will fail too. Hood and Heyward are not those kinds of players fit for our scheme. They're forced to play a scheme that is completely unfitting for them.

Ziggy is a One-Gap D-Lineman who does his damage attacking the line of scrimmage. He's being asked to eat space and keep linemen at bay when an attacking, disruptive lineman is what draws double teams. He's not tall enough or big enough to do that. He's a short stocky type better suited for passrushing and attacking.

Old Man Dickard doesn't want him to do that, so that's why he was benched to start 2011 after being a beast in 2010. To quote John Mitchell, we don't want "Supermen" on our Defensive Line, and that is pretty stupid shit if you ask me.You've been singing that song and dance for a while, but Casey and Keisel weren't the ones getting driven into their own endzone every play. They got penetration on most plays. That whole first drive of the bungles took advantage of the weak link, and it was Ziggy. If that wasn't painfully obvious to you, I don't know what kind of filtered glasses you were watching the game through.

Edman
10-23-2012, 12:03 AM
You've been singing that song and dance for a while, but Casey and Keisel weren't the ones getting driven into their own endzone every play. They got penetration on most plays. That whole first drive of the bungles took advantage of the weak link, and it was Ziggy. If that wasn't painfully obvious to you, I don't know what kind of filtered glasses you were watching the game through.

I already admitted that Hood isn't playing well and is getting owned in the run game. The guy needs to play better.

What I'm pointing out and what some of you haven't refuted is the evidence that Hood played well in 2010, and was benched as a result. Now you're acting surprised when he isn't playing as well anymore. I brought it up because it's the reason why I believe the dude was coached down, and as a result is a mediocre bit player not living up to his first-round status. That's just what I believe.

24seven
10-23-2012, 01:20 AM
I don't even see how any of you can single out individual Steelers. The whole defense is failing in my opinion. We get no pressure on the quarterback therefore no sacks and the run game is damn near unstoppable. Our defensive backs are in dire straits as well. Play the blame game all you want our defense is sucking hind tit right now period.... Meanwhile Ben's been having his greatest year yet on offense. Sure he's had a few turnovers at times but his accuracy has impressed me many times thus far. But offense doesn't mean s*** if we can't even stop the other team. Overall this is probably the worst defense I've seen in the last 10 years.

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Bayz101
10-23-2012, 01:38 AM
Hey guys, guess what? We won the other night! :tt::hatsoff:

maddog78
10-23-2012, 06:41 AM
When you see him "standing up getting no push", that's likely the scheme. Problem is, LeBeau is asking a guy 3" shorter with much shorter arms to do what Aaron Smith did - stand up, use both arms to hold off to OL, and still be able to shed blocks.

Hood is a different player. Short, penetrating one-gapper.

He'll never replace Aaron Smith. He could be a good player in a different scheme, but we won't see that as long as Mitchell and LeBeau are around. Hopefully that will be next year, as Tomlin has spent six years with Colbert picking talent that don't fit DL's schemes.

Atlanta Dan
10-23-2012, 07:24 AM
This from Ed.B. of the P-G

It looked like Cinci ran right all night. Do they have an all pro right guard or tackle? Or do they think Ziggy is the weak link on the Steelers D line? I felt like Ziggy got pushed around most of the game.

ME: Did you stop watching after the Bengalsí first drive? Cincinnati ran for 49 yards on that series and they did run to their right on their final five plays, scoring a touchdown doing so. They ran for 49 yards on their opening drive. After that, they ran for only 31 yards the rest of the night. Also, Ziggy Hood was credited with deflecting two passes and was fourth on the team with four tackles. Iím not comparing Hood to Aaron Smith, but if youíre going to criticize, do so with the right facts because that may have been Hoodís best game so far.

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/118597-ed-steelers-defense-rises-to-qno-2q

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-23-2012, 07:35 AM
i see MUCH MORE stupid shit posted on this board.

who the hell was a "beast" in 2010? i certainly hope you dont mean hood after saying he cant play in this scheme. :tap:

the term "beast" is so cliche and over used, it has completely lost its intended meaning. people toss it around like nothing...

my grandma cooks a mean turkey for thanksgiving. she is "A BEAST"! ::sofunny:

the reason hood and others were "benched" is because young beastly studs such as mclendon, hood and heyward have proven incapable of providing the run stuffing dominance of even elder veterans such as hampton, smith and keisel (even von oelhoffen for that matter).

dont gimme this crap about being a better match for a different "scheme". all it takes is their beastly physicality and a few ounces of brains.

ben thinks he was a better match for arians scheme, but once he gets past the "rosetta stone" he will probably settle in to his most productive years.

while heyward is a perfect fit for our scheme, word in camp is that while he may be a "beast" his was a bit of a mental midget as well. :noidea:

This is a BEAST of a post!!!! :tt03:

Zeitler was probably the best run blocking O lineman taken in the NFL draft this year. Yes, I said it knowing DeCastro is on our roster. NFL scouts said it too.

Having a knee jerk reaction to Hood getting handled by Zeitler on one play is just plain dumb. I cant believe that some fans think the other team doesnt try to play vs the Steelers and never wins battles.

steelfury02
10-23-2012, 08:56 AM
A. It is a known fact that the Steelers don't instill any type of fear like they have in the past

B. The division is not a sure thing like it used to be when the likes of Smith, Hampton, Keisel, Farrior, Porter, Troy, Ike, etc were all in their prime. We were flat out spoiled from 04-08, and then 10 was their last stand as a collective unit. We don't have a defense stacked with pro bowlers and all-pros anymore. We have a middle of the road unit with some aging stars and inexperienced players. Ryan Clark and Larry Foote are the shiny spots on a 3-3 team - what does that tell you? They absolutely have room to improve and get better - I've learned the expectations are too high for this year's version. It is what it is

C. Because of those deficiencies and the Ravens, Bengals and yes Browns have gained a little to a lot of talent, we're not going to win on talent and reputation alone anymore. If this team wants it, they better want it bad and show up 5000% every game. This is a group in transition and if the new group wants to be feared, they better start making a name by showing it on the field.

I'm not a believer that Tomlin has won with holdovers from the Cowher years. Just remember, we went through some pretty bad stuff from 1998 - 2000, and then again in 2003 (all under Cowher).

Overall, we won and saved the sinking ship for at least this week, but I'm gonna reserve judgement until after the next 4 games

austinfrench76
10-24-2012, 11:30 PM
First thing, our dlineman aren't asked to be beast. They are asked to occupy lineman so that our LBs can be stars and rack up stats. Ziggy is fine and to say that Hayward, in his 2nd year, isn't a star in waiting isn't accurate either. Fact is, no one knows yet and comparisons to Smith are crazy. He's widely regarded as one of the best 3-4 dt's to play the game. Let's see what happens this year and then talk.