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RuHappy69
10-23-2012, 08:13 AM
Through 6 games as a starter he has only 12 tackles (7 solo) and 1 sack.. Is this the kind of production we can expect from a #1 pick in year 4??? Against the Bengals he was pushed all over the field and spent way too much time on the ground. What's even worse is that he leads our other DL starters in tackles which is really embarrassing!

steelfury02
10-23-2012, 08:33 AM
I don't have each DL's full repertoire of responsibilities memorized, but just remember, not everyone can be one of the best Steelers DL's of all time, ala Smith.

I would say he still has a lot to learn if he wants to help clog things up and create more pressure

maddog78
10-23-2012, 08:41 AM
DL and Mitchell neuter the 3-4 defensive linemen here to play a read/react, 2-gap system. Remember Ta'amu's comments during camp? He was "coached up" after getting to the QB on one play. They told him that he was supposed to maintain gap discipline, not shoot them, even if he makes a play.

Ziggy Hood ended 2010 on fire, busting gaps and making plays. He was rewarded with the bench to start 2011, as Aaron Smith struggled mightily at the end of his career.

Cam Heyward ended the Jets' game this year with a QB sack. He's largely ridden the pine since.

Hood apparently "has his mind right" now, but unfortunately he is not physically built for this system, so he'll never be more than average until the system changes.

It is what it is.

TRH
10-23-2012, 08:55 AM
average. adequate. Those are the words i think of right off the bat.

As for anyone saying he's "not quite ready" and stil has things to learn, there are plenty of DLinemen across the league - drafted farther down than Hood, in later years than Hood, who are already making big, big impacts across the leage - while we continue to "wait" and see if he will become something.

All in all, i would say...for a #1 pick.....yes, disappointing. I wouldn't quite say "bust", be definitely disappointing.

maddog78
10-23-2012, 08:58 AM
Here is a 2009 scouting report for Hood. In college he consistently made plays behind the LOS, something he's not asked to do here. Square peg, round hole.


The secondary was the obvious weak link of the Tigers' defense the past two years, but with Hood in the trenches Missouri more than held its own up front. That unit allowed only 124.86 yards per game rushing in 2008, ranking second in the Big 12 Conference and 12th in the nation in tackles for loss, registering an average of 7.43 stops behind the line of scrimmage per game.

Called by head coach Gary Pinkel, "the most tenacious player on the team," Hood lived up to that reputation. Despite constantly battling double-team coverage, he collected 10 sacks, 15 stops behind the line of scrimmage and 16 quarterback pressures the last two seasons as the team's starting weak-side defensive tackle.

Hood was a highly-regarded athlete who excelled on defense and also played tight end for Palo Duro High School. He ranked as the No. 35 weak-side defensive end in the nation, according Rivals.com, and was named District 3-4A Defensive Player of the Year as a senior, when he registered 93 tackles and 13 sacks.

That season, Hood also scored three defensive touchdowns and recovered three fumbles. He earned All-District honors each of his last two years. He registered 76 tackles as a junior, including five sacks and also returned an interception for a touchdown. In addition to football, he threw the shot and discus for his school's track team.

Hood chose to attend Missouri in 2005, turning down scholarship offers from Arizona State, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas-El Paso and Baylor, among others. The coaches were originally going to redshirt him, but in August camp Hood earned a spot with the second unit at weak-side defensive tackle, going on to play in 12 games. He was in on 23 tackles (13 solos), 1.5 sacks and 2.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage.

The sophomore seized a starting opportunity in 2006. In the third game vs. New Mexico he suffered a foot fracture that required surgery to insert a screw. The staff projected that he would be forced to miss the rest of the season, but each week Hood predicted he would be back the following game. He returned after just three games and played through the pain the remainder of the season. Hood went out and delivered 36 tackles (24 solos) that included four sacks, four pressures and two forced fumbles while playing weak-side tackle and nose guard. That was just the start of great things to come.

In 2007, Hood was named All-Big 12 Conference honorable mention. The weak-side tackle started all 14 games, coming up with 49 tackles (30 solos). Despite constant double coverage, he finished third on the squad with five sacks and had a career-high eight stops for losses. He caused three fumbles, recovered another and broke up five passes. After producing six tackles and 1.5 sacks vs. Arkansas in the Cotton bowl, Pinkel called that Hood's best game in a Tigers uniform.

Hood continued to be relentless in his pursuit of quarterbacks in 2008, as five of his 12 pressures caused interceptions. The team captain and All-Big 12 first-team choice was in on 62 tackles (31 solos) that included seven stops behind the line of scrimmage and five sacks. He also recovered two fumbles and blocked one kick.

steelfury02
10-23-2012, 09:00 AM
is it safe to say that some of you want an attacking D-line like the Giants? That's what I'm sensing when I hear talk of scheme and how guys like Hood and Heyward should be utilized.

If so, my question would be - what is the solution if this type of D-line overshoots, and then/or gets beat - who has the responsibility to make up for that?

I'm not accepting one scheme over the other right now but there is some legitimate concern TRH, like you said - when we're seeing other players making impacts more quickly. I'd give guys like Hood a little more time - but hey - what will happen once Dick is done? Does anyone think they will try to switch it up then - especially if this D continues to be up and down all season?

maddog78
10-23-2012, 09:07 AM
is it safe to say that some of you want an attacking D-line like the Giants? That's what I'm sensing when I hear talk of scheme and how guys like Hood and Heyward should be utilized.

If so, my question would be - what is the solution if this type of D-line overshoots, and then/or gets beat - who has the responsibility to make up for that?

I'm not accepting one scheme over the other right now but there is some legitimate concern TRH, like you said - when we're seeing other players making impacts more quickly. I'd give guys like Hood a little more time - but hey - what will happen once Dick is done? Does anyone think they will try to switch it up then - especially if this D continues to be up and down all season?

Not necessarily a 4-3, but a 3-4 that allows linemen to get upfield. Are guys get cut down too easily in the run game. You can't cut a guy that gets across your face and is penetrating.

I'd rather give that a shot that continually watching our DL get cut block and taken out of plays. You can't maintain gap discipline when you're on the ground.

steelfury02
10-23-2012, 09:23 AM
Not necessarily a 4-3, but a 3-4 that allows linemen to get upfield. Are guys get cut down too easily in the run game. You can't cut a guy that gets across your face and is penetrating.

I'd rather give that a shot that continually watching our DL get cut block and taken out of plays. You can't maintain gap discipline when you're on the ground.

I know what you are saying, and it sounds better to me in theory, but then the question is - do these young guys have the ability to get upfield (I'd say overall "yes" based on their history - but the jury is still out because that isn't what they are taught) - and also, what if they "miss" / over-pursue - then who is there to fill that gap? lastly, does this put even more pressure on Timmons and Foote to make the open field tackle, and more pressure for the DBs to make sure they attack the ball?

steeltheone
10-23-2012, 10:17 AM
The players we have now of Defense are not near as good as what was here a few years ago and a few years ago Ziggy looked good . It all goes hand in hand!

Edman
10-23-2012, 10:46 AM
DL and Mitchell neuter the 3-4 defensive linemen here to play a read/react, 2-gap system. Remember Ta'amu's comments during camp? He was "coached up" after getting to the QB on one play. They told him that he was supposed to maintain gap discipline, not shoot them, even if he makes a play.

Ziggy Hood ended 2010 on fire, busting gaps and making plays. He was rewarded with the bench to start 2011, as Aaron Smith struggled mightily at the end of his career.

Cam Heyward ended the Jets' game this year with a QB sack. He's largely ridden the pine since.

Hood apparently "has his mind right" now, but unfortunately he is not physically built for this system, so he'll never be more than average until the system changes.

It is what it is.

Be careful. According to some on here he isn't that good to begin with when 2010 proved otherwise. According to them, our young players all suck and are busts.

Played well as a starter in 2010, he was punished for his production in 2011. He didn't see the playing time that year until Aaron Smith got hurt again, and I am willing to bet that if Smith had decided to come back again this year, Hood would be back on the bench. Hood "can have the right mindset" all he wants, if there's a veteran ahead of him, he can forget about playing time.

The only way our young players will see any playing time on this team is when the veterans ahead of them retire or get hurt.

jiminpa
10-23-2012, 11:49 AM
Okay, so we let the DLs attack, overpenetrate, and get sucked in on screens every play, then the next thing you will be complaining about is how slow our LBs are to come up in support, then if they commit to the run you will whine and cry about how they are getting beat on the quick hits in the flat. Okay, so Ziggy can shed a block, great, that's exactly what we need on special teams, but head to head he gets pushed around like dead deer in front of a snow plow, and I don't think he was what it takes to read a screen and not get sucked in.

So yeah, he is a square peg in a round hole, but unlike the offense for the past five years, it's not the hole that is the problem.

maddog78
10-23-2012, 12:03 PM
Be careful. According to some on here he isn't that good to begin with when 2010 proved otherwise. According to them, our young players all suck and are busts.

Played well as a starter in 2010, he was punished for his production in 2011. He didn't see the playing time that year until Aaron Smith got hurt again, and I am willing to bet that if Smith had decided to come back again this year, Hood would be back on the bench. Hood "can have the right mindset" all he wants, if there's a veteran ahead of him, he can forget about playing time.

The only way our young players will see any playing time on this team is when the veterans ahead of them retire or get hurt.

Sadly, Pittsburgh has milquetoast media like Ron Cook, who just agreed 100% with a caller that McClendon has looked better than Hampton, has looked great since preseason, and isn't seemingly getting a fair shot while Hampton, on the other hand, looks completely shot.

Ron agreed with *all* of this, and then followed with "I've got to trust the coaches, they see them every day". His co-host agreed. Probably why Tomlin never has to field tough questions, like "Hampton appears to be still hurt and/or struggling. Why is Steve McClendon not playing more?"

I'm sorry, but you have to be incredibly naive to believe that politics, nepotism, and favoritism don't play a part in sports, as they do in every other walk of life. Coaches have their favorites and friends who they are more comfortable with, results notwithstanding. Or simply that they just don't make mistakes with personnel.

We're going to be seeing Keisel and Hampton until the wheels come off, and then have to rely on Heyward and McClendon, who have had precious little playing time.

Atlanta Dan
10-23-2012, 12:52 PM
I bet that I could play defensive end better than Ziggy. He is bad.

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Well, to paraphrase a comment Bubby Brister once made during the 1988 season, then come on down to the South Side. :sofunny:

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steelfury02
10-23-2012, 12:59 PM
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jiminpa
10-23-2012, 02:13 PM
Here is a 2009 scouting report for Hood. In college he consistently made plays behind the LOS, something he's not asked to do here. Square peg, round hole.


The secondary was the obvious weak link of the Tigers' defense the past two years, but with Hood in the trenches Missouri more than held its own up front. That unit allowed only 124.86 yards per game rushing in 2008, ranking second in the Big 12 Conference and 12th in the nation in tackles for loss, registering an average of 7.43 stops behind the line of scrimmage per game.

Called by head coach Gary Pinkel, "the most tenacious player on the team," Hood lived up to that reputation. Despite constantly battling double-team coverage, he collected 10 sacks, 15 stops behind the line of scrimmage and 16 quarterback pressures the last two seasons as the team's starting weak-side defensive tackle.

Hood was a highly-regarded athlete who excelled on defense and also played tight end for Palo Duro High School. He ranked as the No. 35 weak-side defensive end in the nation, according Rivals.com, and was named District 3-4A Defensive Player of the Year as a senior, when he registered 93 tackles and 13 sacks.

That season, Hood also scored three defensive touchdowns and recovered three fumbles. He earned All-District honors each of his last two years. He registered 76 tackles as a junior, including five sacks and also returned an interception for a touchdown. In addition to football, he threw the shot and discus for his school's track team.

Hood chose to attend Missouri in 2005, turning down scholarship offers from Arizona State, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas-El Paso and Baylor, among others. The coaches were originally going to redshirt him, but in August camp Hood earned a spot with the second unit at weak-side defensive tackle, going on to play in 12 games. He was in on 23 tackles (13 solos), 1.5 sacks and 2.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage.

The sophomore seized a starting opportunity in 2006. In the third game vs. New Mexico he suffered a foot fracture that required surgery to insert a screw. The staff projected that he would be forced to miss the rest of the season, but each week Hood predicted he would be back the following game. He returned after just three games and played through the pain the remainder of the season. Hood went out and delivered 36 tackles (24 solos) that included four sacks, four pressures and two forced fumbles while playing weak-side tackle and nose guard. That was just the start of great things to come.

In 2007, Hood was named All-Big 12 Conference honorable mention. The weak-side tackle started all 14 games, coming up with 49 tackles (30 solos). Despite constant double coverage, he finished third on the squad with five sacks and had a career-high eight stops for losses. He caused three fumbles, recovered another and broke up five passes. After producing six tackles and 1.5 sacks vs. Arkansas in the Cotton bowl, Pinkel called that Hood's best game in a Tigers uniform.

Hood continued to be relentless in his pursuit of quarterbacks in 2008, as five of his 12 pressures caused interceptions. The team captain and All-Big 12 first-team choice was in on 62 tackles (31 solos) that included seven stops behind the line of scrimmage and five sacks. He also recovered two fumbles and blocked one kick.
Looks like the resume you would want to see if you were looking for a rookie 3rd down NT. It's all what he did in college, and it's all about getting into the backfield. 31 OCs in the NFL have ways of neutralizing someone like that.

Hawaii 5-0
10-23-2012, 02:40 PM
31 OCs in the NFL have ways of neutralizing someone like that.


:chuckle:

http://img.tapatalk.com/aefc5496-2598-d53c.jpg

maddog78
10-23-2012, 02:43 PM
Looks like the resume you would want to see if you were looking for a rookie 3rd down NT. It's all what he did in college, and it's all about getting into the backfield. 31 OCs in the NFL have ways of neutralizing someone like that.

Well, we're not letting him play that way. He's a 2-gapper in our system, which was the point of the post.

FrancoLambert
10-23-2012, 04:18 PM
average. adequate. Those are the words i think of right off the bat.

As for anyone saying he's "not quite ready" and stil has things to learn, there are plenty of DLinemen across the league - drafted farther down than Hood, in later years than Hood, who are already making big, big impacts across the leage - while we continue to "wait" and see if he will become something.

All in all, i would say...for a #1 pick.....yes, disappointing. I wouldn't quite say "bust", be definitely disappointing.

^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^

:applaudit:

lipps83
10-23-2012, 05:19 PM
I don't see the problem being Hood. The problem appears to be the antiquated defensive scheme we run that appears to work roughly 1 out of 5 or 6 games.

I am tired of these guys needing a PhD to run this silly defense.

Let them get into the backfield and blow shit up.

That is what they do best. Not hold gaps. Holding a gap is for *****s.

xbroughneck
10-24-2012, 12:48 AM
Well..he's definitely no Aaron Smith.

It's unfortunate...for the Steelers.

Hawaii 5-0
10-24-2012, 01:15 AM
Well..he's definitely no Aaron Smith.



very few 3-4 DEs in the history of the NFL have been...

Steeldude
10-24-2012, 01:22 AM
Hood is better suited for a 3-technique, not a 5.

Edman
10-24-2012, 09:51 AM
Well..he's definitely no Aaron Smith.

It's unfortunate...for the Steelers.

There aren't many Aaron Smiths in history.

But Hood has been adequate. After the first Bengals drive, he settled down and started batting down passes.

LVSteelersfan
10-24-2012, 12:30 PM
You people are so quick to call people busts. Hood may not be Aaron Smith but he is certainly adequate at the position. Casey Hampton is the one who causes most of the problems getting his butt blown off the line. All they have to do is shove Hampton out of the way and cut block Hood and the defensive play is blown up.

Fire Arians
10-24-2012, 12:38 PM
very few 3-4 DEs in the history of the NFL have been...

aaron smith in his prime was probably the best 3-4 DE that ever was. i think if people expect ziggy or heyward to be *that* good they're gonna be disappointed.

Fire Arians
10-24-2012, 04:25 PM
at least ziggy has been playing, not like duce worilds

austinfrench76
10-24-2012, 11:15 PM
No. To answer the thread question. That is all.

pete74
10-25-2012, 04:40 AM
i remember wanting to draft JJ Watt and taking some crap for even mentioning that. look at him now. he's a beast

Hawaii 5-0
11-21-2012, 01:44 PM
ReFo: Ravens @ Steelers, Week 11

Sam Monson | 2012/11/20

Make the Switch

With Ziggy Hood a continual disappointment as a starter for the Steelers along their defensive line, he left this game injured after just a dozen snaps, opening the door for Cameron Heyward to show what he could do. Hood had actually made a couple of plays in the run game before he went out, but they both came from being blocked to the ground around the point of attack and simply clogging up the intended running lane. It was certainly an interesting tactic, and given his play in the past, might be his best bet to make an impact.

Heyward showed after he came in that it simply is not the scheme that is holding Hood back, because in the same position and role he made far more of a presence of himself. Heyward made five tackles, which is more than half of the total that Hood has for the entire season and the story is the same when it comes to pass-rushing, with a hit and two hurries exactly half of the total pressure Hood has at this point in the year. Pittsburgh has just been given the tape that justifies a switch at the position. Letís see if they notice.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/20/refo-ravens-steelers-week-11/

austinfrench76
11-21-2012, 02:29 PM
Is this a Hood vs Heyward comparison or a question of him being abust? Bust? No. Does Heyward have potential to be a bigger star? Yes. That's all. IMO

Hawaii 5-0
11-21-2012, 03:10 PM
Is this a Hood vs Heyward comparison or a question of him being abust? Bust? No. Does Heyward have potential to be a bigger star? Yes. That's all. IMO

some people are questioning whether Heyward should be starting ahead of Ziggy Hood...

austinfrench76
11-21-2012, 09:12 PM
I get that, I just saw both answers coming. I think Heyward should as well.

Steelersfan87
11-21-2012, 10:15 PM
And a lot of people question Pro Football Focus' understanding of a DE's role in a two-gap 3-4 alignment.

steeltheone
11-22-2012, 08:50 AM
Something you must remember...The teams Smith played for were filled with Pro Bowlers....This current Defense has none.

I'm thrilled with our Defense.