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Riddle_Of_Steel
10-23-2012, 05:23 PM
Disclaimer: I am NOT a coach, nor have I ever played a down of football at a level higher than varsity, but from that Cincy game...

...I don't think this team is lacking in talent, and I don't know how much scheme is to blame for our struggles thus far.

This team LACKS LEADERSHIP this year, more than anything else.

All it took was a spirited performance from Colon, and a big pick by Woodley, and this team came alive.

They have not played with any urgency, fire, or desire this entire season until this last game. They are missing Farrior's leadreship and Ward's voice in thelockerroom this year. Nobody else is getting these guys fired up before the games. Not even Tomlin, who is too much of a "player's coach".

If this team can find some inspiration in each game like they did against Cincy (that game should not have even been close- if not for all the costly drops by a WR we won't name here), and with all the other parts starting to come together in the weeks to come (Pouncey, Polamalu, Gibert, DeCastro, Mendenhall and Redman rejoining the starting crew), we are still in business...

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Curtain_of_Steel
10-23-2012, 05:31 PM
We are not abetter team with Mendenhal, they put way to much credence that he is a top back. When he is there they think they can run, than run some more, when it doesnt work, hey... lets try it again. If it doesnt work don't do it. Let mendy go tweet ot twit or myspace it on the sideline.

SteelersCanada
10-23-2012, 05:40 PM
I completely agree with you. I think the lack of leadership is also the reason for the lack of discipline for this team. The finger pointing is going at Tomlin for this, but this kind of stuff didn't happen with Farrior and Ward being heard in the room. That being said, it looks as if Clark, Woodley and Timmons have stepped up as voices. There's been multiple articles and reports (via Kaboly, Bouchette, SteelerDepot) that these guys, especially Clark, have been vocal not only in the room but on the field as well.

The veterans have finally stepped up and said, 'we're not going to take this shit anymore' and there was no better example of this when Colon pancaked Burfict. His physicality and violent play was contagious to the rest of the line and the offense, finally giving them an identity.

This offensive line, and more importantly this team, is starting to come together. Finally.

madtowndrunkard
10-23-2012, 06:29 PM
We need a leader on defense. Offensively we've got Ben... we've got elite WR's...we've got an elite TE....we've even got a couple damn good O-linemen that have leadership ability. On defense we are void of leadership. DL has always had that player or two that could take over a game and inspire others to play great. Not this year.

Troy was a leader on the field.... now he just sits on the sideline and watches like the rest of us. Farrior was a leader in the locker room and on the field....he knew the defense as good as anyone...he's gone. Smith was a dominating force up front and inspired others by example...he's gone.

We now have NO legit play makers on defense. Woodley is damn good - I'll give him that. but he disappears too often to be considered elite. Harrison is a shell of his former self... .he's no where near what he once was. He really fired up the defense and more importantly he got in the opponents heads...now Mr. Goodell is in his head and it looks as if he's going through the motions. Timmons has playmaking ability but can't seem to take the next step.

We've lost all ability to intimidate the opponent. We lost our swagger.

Sorry but you can't coach that... you need 2 elite players on defense if you want to be a great defense. We don't have a single one. Timmons has been on the verge for 2-3 years now...so has Woodley...but they have failed to take that next step. Harrison and Troy are history. Our #1 pick next season needs to be a LB and he needs to be a franchise LB. If not our defense will struggle to anything consistently.

Riddle_Of_Steel
10-23-2012, 08:25 PM
I am not talking about playmakers-- I don't think we have any shortage of that on either side of the ball.

What I am talking about is guys not living up to their potential. The way Timmons broke out the week after we all dogged him out (on every Steelers forum out there) is proof that these guys can be much better than they are playing.

What I am talking about is leadership, not playmaking ability. They need someone to fire them up before games. Did you notice how much more aggressive and dominant they played on both sides of the ball after Colon mudwrestled his guy into the dirt on that one play?

This team does not need more playmakers-- THEY NEED MORE COWBELL!!

BlaZeQuietly
10-23-2012, 08:54 PM
Maybe we should hire drew brees to come in before the game and make up some fancy white boy rap for them to chant

Rockonsteel
10-24-2012, 08:22 AM
Maybe we should hire drew brees to come in before the game and make up some fancy white boy rap for them to chant

Yo, don't front son! That shit is hot! I love when he does that shit. (I'm actually a little envious, I wish that was a Steelers thing). That would be the perfect compliment to Renegade. That to start the game, and Renegade in the second half. That shit would be crazy!

Everytime I see that, I end up with bruises all over my body from trying to run through the nearest wall. :chuckle:


Rockon

WVABE
10-24-2012, 04:47 PM
Yup, and to see leadership I had to switch to a Ravens game,
and now that Ray Lewis is on the sideline, I'm F----ing lost.

We need someone who acts like a Crazed Dawg..........

stb_steeler
10-24-2012, 07:00 PM
Maybe we can get joey Porter off the :couch:

grward
10-24-2012, 07:57 PM
I am not talking about playmakers-- I don't think we have any shortage of that on either side of the ball.

What I am talking about is guys not living up to their potential. The way Timmons broke out the week after we all dogged him out (on every Steelers forum out there) is proof that these guys can be much better than they are playing.

What I am talking about is leadership, not playmaking ability. They need someone to fire them up before games. Did you notice how much more aggressive and dominant they played on both sides of the ball after Colon mudwrestled his guy into the dirt on that one play?

This team does not need more playmakers-- THEY NEED MORE COWBELL!!

I couldn't agree more and I think this team has been flat since they lost in the Superbowl. I have no idea how you can be paid what these guys get and not use that as motivation to get psyched up!? Shouldn't that be enough?

I also agree that Tomlin is a huge reason we look flat all the time. I think he's a great coach but I don't see him getting the guys fired up too often.

FanSince72
10-24-2012, 09:09 PM
As far as our defense is concerned, we have the talent to be at least "very good" all of the time and "even better" when Troy is playing and others such as Harrison and Woodley are healthy and the Cincy game demonstrated that.

In a way, I think that Troy's extended absence is a good thing because it has forced LeBeau to design defensive schemes that can work without him. There is no reason at all why our success or failure on defense should be tied to the presence of just one player and the Cincy game proved that our success doesn't (and shouldn't) revolve around Troy.

ZoneBlitzer
10-25-2012, 03:57 AM
Well I just watched the game again and I saw the same problems that have plagued this team this year - the offense.

The offense needs to play better situational football. They had two possessions in the final quarter where they could've helped the defense out by extending the lead. They didn't. They moved the ball some but got no points by failing to sustain drives. Ben got selfish on one attempt by trying a low percentage pass deep to Brown instead of hitting Miller to move the chains and the other was another Wallace drop from a very poor ball from Ben.

There's still room for improvement in Ben's game. With the speed that these receivers have he needs to lead them more so that they can catch it in stride on the run. I saw several balls that were behind his receivers. He's got the capability so he should be able to do it. I can only hope that Haley is calling him out on it. If he can hit these receivers in stride then the YAC will go through the roof. He'll get his big plays then.

Had this been a different opponent, one that ran the hurry up or played with a greater sense of urgency, the Steelers would've been mightily stressed and challenged right up to the final seconds of the game. Thankfully it was the compliant Bengals who appear to bend over backwards to accommodate the Steelers by losing so pathetically and without any kind of fight whatsoever on national TV.

For years this team has been carried by the defense. It is now time for the offense to shoulder most of the burden now. With the talent that they have on that side of the ball, this team should be able to put teams like the Bengals away and give their D a breather. They failed to do that yet again on Sunday night. Sure, they got the win but bad habits still persist especially on the offensive side of the ball.

steelfury02
10-25-2012, 09:40 AM
I'll hold off on judging this version of the Steelers and their leadership. One solid half is not a trend - that said, they might just have found something to hang their hats on in that half. THAT Steeler team is very capable of contending - just needs to see the same product on the field and start stacking those Ws

FanSince72
10-25-2012, 09:49 AM
I'll hold off on judging this version of the Steelers and their leadership. One solid half is not a trend - that said, they might just have found something to hang their hats on in that half. THAT Steeler team is very capable of contending - just needs to see the same product on the field and start stacking those Ws

Agreed.

But as you said, if they've actually found something then that proves it can be done and sometimes that's all it takes to turn things around. It's like learning how to play chords on a guitar; it seems impossible at first but then you get that moment where your fingers move perfectly into the right position and all of a sudden you go from "I can't do this" to wanting to learn more chords.

Sometimes the little things make all the difference.

steelfury02
10-25-2012, 10:00 AM
probably one of the best "Tomlinisms" sums up what you are saying. I know they can, but do they have "it"

"It's not about what you're capable of, It's about what you're willing to do."

Are these fellas ready to put in the extra time, suffer, sacrifice, and want it, and want it badly ?

wootawnee
10-25-2012, 12:59 PM
Aaron Smith......Missed leader..........Mendy got alot of years in him......

lardlad
10-25-2012, 09:03 PM
Sometimes I wonder if we get confused between what gets us fired up and what works for the team.

tony hipchest
10-25-2012, 10:06 PM
Disclaimer: I am NOT a coach, nor have I ever played a down of football at a level higher than varsity, but from that Cincy game...

...I don't think this team is lacking in talent, and I don't know how much scheme is to blame for our struggles thus far.

This team LACKS LEADERSHIP this year, more than anything else.

All it took was a spirited performance from Colon, and a big pick by Woodley, and this team came alive.

They have not played with any urgency, fire, or desire this entire season until this last game. They are missing Farrior's leadreship and Ward's voice in thelockerroom this year. Nobody else is getting these guys fired up before the games. Not even Tomlin, who is too much of a "player's coach".

If this team can find some inspiration in each game like they did against Cincy (that game should not have even been close- if not for all the costly drops by a WR we won't name here), and with all the other parts starting to come together in the weeks to come (Pouncey, Polamalu, Gibert, DeCastro, Mendenhall and Redman rejoining the starting crew), we are still in business...

S-2-7
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i think this post is spot on. if theres 2 things alot of steelerfans discount it is leadership and talent. they think its something you pick up at the store on the way home from work.

people couldnt run aaron smith, hines ward, and aaron smith out of town fast enough. they think youth alone trumps talent and leadership.

thy buy into the coachspeak "next man up" and "the standard is the standard". the coach HAS to say this to keep his job and instill confidence in his millionaire players. when coach says it to the fans, he is just blowing smoke up their ass.

coach cant say there is a leadership void because it makes HIM look weak, but everybody knows professionals are led by their peers as well. the coach HAS to say there are men capable of filling that void (....eventually) but its naive to think it happens overnight.

look at the 06 season. people tripped over themselves coming up with excuses and reasons why the defending champs were 2-6. it was bens motorcycle accident. it was cowher who mentally checked out (biggest BS line i ever heard as proven by their 6-2 finish).

look at the leaders we lost. bettis, von oelhoffen, randle el was the spiritual leader. i think thats the year hartings retired as well.

people were calling bettis old, washed up, and a waste of money as early as 2003, yet we rode on his back all the way to detroit.

leadership is why bill cowher didnt place rod woodson on IR in 1995 and leadership is why tomlin didnt do the same with aaron smith 15 years later. sure we lost the superbowls those years, but i doubt we even make it w/o the intangibles their presense brought to the team.

as for all the talent lost due to injuries vs denver in the playoffs and into this year, my favorite example was how sean mahan and kemoeatu were suitable capable replacements for future HOF faneca and pro bowler jeff hartings, FB dan kreider, yet willie parker was suddenly a bum because he couldnt hit "the [imaginary] holes", danced, lost a step, was washed up, yadda yadda yadda....