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3rdandlong
10-28-2012, 06:17 PM
For much of the season I think Ben has made a good case that he is the best quarterback in the AFC. When he's finally getting offensive line protection, he's looking elite. Once again Ben looked dominant today. He may not necessarily put up the 300 yard games every week, but that doesn't matter. Now if the defense can just pick it up a little, we got ourselves a contender.

SteelersCanada
10-28-2012, 06:20 PM
I'd say he's second best to Brady.

ETL
10-28-2012, 06:24 PM
I'd say he's second best to Brady.

I agree with you. He's clearly better than Schaub and Rivers and although nationwide NFL fans may cite Peyton Manning - I would put Ben well ahead of Manning. Brady still has an edge over Ben in terms of passing production.

Fire Arians
10-28-2012, 06:30 PM
manning is washed up, his best days are way behind him. brady is brady, but there's nobody i'd rather have on my team than ben right now

rivers is an overrated douchebag and the only reason why he's ever talked about is he's good for fantasy points, but he doesn't win games. he's this generation's jeff george

TRH
10-28-2012, 06:44 PM
I'd say he's second best to Brady.

They're both good - but Brady gets better pass protection and their line over the years also hasn't been decimated by inury. That accounts for quite a bit.

Watch any, and i mean ANY, of the games in the past 6 or 7 years when Brady has faced pressure that other QB's face - he immediately comes back down to earth and is an average QB. In high profile games, the 1st super bowl loss to the Giants is a great example of exactly that.

Fire Arians
10-28-2012, 06:51 PM
ben is definitely on his way to having a career season, the switch to haley might have been the best move for him. putting up bigger numbers AND he's not gettting hit, what's not to like about the new system?

SteelersCanada
10-28-2012, 07:02 PM
ben is definitely on his way to having a career season, the switch to haley might have been the best move for him. putting up bigger numbers AND he's not gettting hit, what's not to like about the new system?

I don't think anyone is questioning the system - it's working out great. Like you said, he's on his way to a career year in terms of TD's and lack of sacks. However, he's no Tom Brady. Roethlisberger is an elite quarterback, probably top 3. However, Tom Brady has accomplished more and is making an argument as the best quarterback to ever do it.

Penn
10-28-2012, 07:03 PM
Hes probably having his best season as a whole so far. Brady is still tops in the AFC though

LVSteelersfan
10-28-2012, 07:05 PM
Ben has things about him that are better than Brady. Escapability for one. Brady has none. If he ever quits throwing bone headed picks, then maybe he will one day be the best in the AFC. We beat the Broncos if not for that and have a 5-2 record.

lardlad
10-28-2012, 07:19 PM
ben is definitely on his way to having a career season, the switch to haley might have been the best move for him. putting up bigger numbers AND he's not gettting hit, what's not to like about the new system?

It's boring, some would say. Not me. It has to be way more demoralizing to a defense when you line up and move the sticks. One or two big plays that scores the same points seems less worrisome to me.

Nope not me I like not giving up sacks and keeping our d off the field. I also like our new and improved short game in the redzone. I also like not having to be in shotgun on third and inches. I also like that plays seem designed this year. Not like they are barely getting plays off.

WVABE
10-28-2012, 07:22 PM
I believe he's in the top 5, they are unique in their own way and Ben's is escapability and throwing accurate passes on the run. If Brady was behind the Steelers O-Line in the past few years he wouldn't even qualify as elite.

OX1947
10-28-2012, 08:10 PM
If Big Ben wins number 3, his ass will be #1. Yup, #1.

Twentyvalve
10-28-2012, 08:21 PM
I think he is one of the best. The problem with saying who is best is that each QB has their own strengths. For example, Brady can throw lasers to TE's all day long. P. Manning is great at the no huddle rush offense. Rogers has great accuracy, etc.

Ben, well, he is about second best at all of those things. And by far the best at avoiding sacks, making plays when absolutely needed, playing with injuries, and arguably at staging comebacks under pressure (that last winning drive against Cardinals was friggin' an incredible once in a lifetime event). I think overall Ben is the best overall and most well rounded QB. Historically, if he would have had time consistently to stand in the pocket and make throws he would have had even more accomplishments. As "elite" as the other QB's are, Ben is the man that gets it done.

wera176
10-28-2012, 09:02 PM
Ben has things about him that are better than Brady. Escapability for one. Brady has none. If he ever quits throwing bone headed picks, then maybe he will one day be the best in the AFC. We beat the Broncos if not for that and have a 5-2 record.

Ben doesn't throw any more, and maybe even less in some cases, bone headed picks than any other elite QB. For example, the pick you mention was the same pick (and player) that P. Manning had in the SB, and that when he was at his peak.

GoFor7
10-28-2012, 09:06 PM
Ben has things about him that are better than Brady. Escapability for one. Brady has none. If he ever quits throwing bone headed picks, then maybe he will one day be the best in the AFC. We beat the Broncos if not for that and have a 5-2 record.

Translation: "I'm a typical yinzer that refuses to ever blame the Steelers defense for a loss!!!!!!!!!"

Darkstorm05
10-28-2012, 09:10 PM
I think the next 2-3 seasons will say whether Ben surpasses Brady and Manning. One thing they have that Ben has struggled with is long term consistency. In past games you never knew which Ben was going to show up. He's having a great year under Haley, and this is his chance to cement his legacy as a champion.

Twentyvalve
10-28-2012, 09:16 PM
He recently had a run of what I believe to be 138 passes without an interception. That ended with the Bengals I think. Brady was somewhere around 180 and then he threw 2 in a single game.

Millers the sh!t
10-28-2012, 09:30 PM
It's boring, some would say. Not me. It has to be way more demoralizing to a defense when you line up and move the sticks. One or two big plays that scores the same points seems less worrisome to me.

Nope not me I like not giving up sacks and keeping our d off the field. I also like our new and improved short game in the redzone. I also like not having to be in shotgun on third and inches. I also like that plays seem designed this year. Not like they are barely getting plays off.

I'm loving our new offense. The ball is going every where. Bens favorite target is the open man. I love that there is creativity put into these plays. I love that we are having a running game again, I'm loving the efficiency, comp. %, lack of sacks, and I think that the quick pass will keep our o line more consistently fresh and healthy in the long run. I'm also loving the fact that Ben ain't force feeding the deep ball to an un open Wallace 6 times a game. I love that 83 is being utilized again, and I'm def loving that we seem to be getting more 7's in the Redzone instead of 3's. Which reminds me.... Loving suisham too. He is the biggest surprise to me out of any player this season. I hope the man keeps it up.

Edman
10-28-2012, 09:40 PM
To think before this year Joe Flacco was put in the same sentence as Ben.

austinfrench76
10-28-2012, 10:00 PM
Couldn't agree more!!!!

teegre
10-28-2012, 10:03 PM
To think before this year Joe Flacco was put in the same sentence as Ben.

True, but that sentence was:
"Joe Flacco can kiss BB's a$$!!!"

ZoneBlitzer
10-28-2012, 10:35 PM
If Ben opted for the checkdown more often, the offense would be friggin amazing. I'm liking what I see - especially the sack count.

MasterOfPuppets
10-28-2012, 10:36 PM
manning is washed up, his best days are way behind him. brady is brady, but there's nobody i'd rather have on my team than ben right now

rivers is an overrated douchebag and the only reason why he's ever talked about is he's good for fantasy points, but he doesn't win games. he's this generation's jeff george
manning is washed up ? not according to the stats he's putting up. he's got better numbers than ben in almost every stat ..and he's got inferior receivers..:noidea:
105 qb rating doesn't exactly point to a washed up qb...

GoFor7
10-28-2012, 10:37 PM
If Ben opted for the checkdown more often, the offense would be friggin amazing. I'm liking what I see - especially the sack count.

He's not Alex Smith. They can trust him to throw the ball downfield.

Curtain_of_Steel
10-28-2012, 10:51 PM
It would be a travesty to even mention Rivers name in any discussion of an elite or great, and maybe marginally good discussions. Gruden would be the only douchebag to do that as he has a crush on Phil and matty ice, some sicko 3some he has going.

Rivers sucks plain and simple.

Ben is top 3 for sure in AFC, I would take him over anyone, and still top 5 in the NFL. To say he is better than Brady or Manning, Brees or Rogers etc it is all how you look at it.

Edman
10-28-2012, 11:25 PM
Ben and Rodgers are in a class of their own. Their ability to improvise when a play breaks down is insane, and yet they are so deadly accurate. They have played behind questionable O-Lines for years and they still succeeded. Finally Ben is working with an OC that brings out the best in him. Rodgers has never had to deal with someone as incompetent as Bruce Arians.

Manning and Brady come from Offenses that deliver them clean pockets to throw from. As many people have said, If Brady played in the Steelers Offense behind our O-Line for the past couple years, he'd be shot.

Phyllis Rivers was never that good. Terribly Overrated QB who put up great fantasy numbers but sucked in the postseason. He just dumped off to LT and Sproles in San Diego, now that those two are gone, he's been exposed. It's even worse now that his arm is dead.

steelfury02
10-29-2012, 08:22 AM
Overall body of work:

1. Brady
2. Roethlisberger
3. E. Manning
4. Brees
5. P. Manning

Right now:
1. Brady
2. Roethlisberger
3. E. Manning
4. P. Manning
5. Rogers

steelerchad
10-29-2012, 08:53 AM
I think if you're talking about NFL QB's, I'd break them out like this into 4 categories. This would be entire body of work, however long that may be.

ELITE- distinct group of 6 IMO

1.Brady
2.P.Manning
3.Brees
4.Ben
5. Rodgers
6. E. Manning

Good
7. Ryan
8. Flacco
9. Rivers
10. Stafford
11. Schaub
12. Romo
13. Cutler

Average or too soon to tell

14. RG3
15. Freeman
16. Dalton
17. A. Smith
18. Luck
19. Bradford
20. Newton
21. Ponder
22. Locker
23. Wilson
24. Wheeden
25. Tannehill

Sucks

26. Palmer
27. Vick
28. Fitzpatrick
29. Sanchez
30. Kolb
31. Cassel
32. Gabbert

Twentyvalve
10-29-2012, 08:55 AM
I would put P. Manning over Ben right now. Did you watch the game last night? Insanity I tell ya'! My opinion is the Manning Eli is over rated. Have you seen him play this year? Compare that to his brother. I think Ben should be #3 on the "Right Now" list.

I think your first list is spot on.

Overall body of work:

1. Brady
2. Roethlisberger
3. E. Manning
4. Brees
5. P. Manning

Right now:
1. Brady
2. Roethlisberger
3. E. Manning
4. P. Manning
5. Rogers

LayingTheWoodley56
10-29-2012, 08:56 AM
Ben has things about him that are better than Brady. Escapability for one. Brady has none. If he ever quits throwing bone headed picks, then maybe he will one day be the best in the AFC. We beat the Broncos if not for that and have a 5-2 record.

Every QB throws bad picks sometimes, one that lose games when thrown at the worst possible times. Ben has done a tremendous job taking care of the football this season. "Bonehead picks" to me does not even enter the conversation when recapping Ben's season thus far. I predicted a career year for him coming into this 2012 season, and he has not disappointed. He has never before been this consistently great, and it has been a true treat to watch him play football this season. He is our MVP, plain and simple, no doubt about it.

maddog78
10-29-2012, 08:59 AM
Just keep winning, that's all I care about. The media is going to be hyping an All Manning Super Bowl. God I hope Ben doesn't go 0-Manning this season.

Sick of hearing about those guys.

wootawnee
10-29-2012, 10:21 AM
Peyton looks great too.....Denver looks tough....

torpedoshell31
10-29-2012, 10:55 AM
Also don't forget that Brady has had the benefit of having been protected by the refs during his entire career. If a defender even sneezes near Brady 4 flags come flying out. Ben can be punched in the nose,hit helmet to helmet, have cheap shots taken at his knees and hit 5 seconds after the whistle and a flag is never thrown. Can anyone recall when the last time roughing the passer was called for Ben?

SteelersCanada
10-29-2012, 11:26 AM
I would put P. Manning over Ben right now. Did you watch the game last night? Insanity.

Saints are also setting records for being the worst defense in NFL history. It's not hard to throw against a secondary that doesn't know how to cover a deep post. Seriously - did you see how many times Thomas ran post routes and it worked perfectly? It's pathetic, and the Saints as an organization are in shambles right now.

I really wish the Steelers played the Saints this year. Ben would put up similar numbers as Peyton, if not better. He's a better quarterback right now than Peyton "noodle-arm" Manning and it's not even really a question. Manning has had to play easier secondaries and has had a run game throughout the season so far while Ben is just finally able to hand it off.

Manning isn't the same as he was, and when he plays against a legitimate, healthy defense - we'll see how he plays. Keep in mind, this is the same Manning that lost to a mediocre Patriot defense and threw 3 picks in the first quarter to an average-at-best Falcons secondary. As if that wasn't enough, he was confused by the Chargers' secondary - the CHARGERS secondary. Yikes.

LVSteelersfan
10-29-2012, 12:13 PM
Every QB throws bad picks sometimes, one that lose games when thrown at the worst possible times. Ben has done a tremendous job taking care of the football this season. "Bonehead picks" to me does not even enter the conversation when recapping Ben's season thus far. I predicted a career year for him coming into this 2012 season, and he has not disappointed. He has never before been this consistently great, and it has been a true treat to watch him play football this season. He is our MVP, plain and simple, no doubt about it.

I realize that. And maybe I spoke out of turn talking about one play. He is so much better under Haley. I was ecstatic when Arians got shit canned. The difference in the way Ben plays is amazing. He is definitely much better than most of the QBs in the league right now. We shall see how he looks in hostile territory against the Giants next week. The Oline is looking much better so perhaps we can win a big one on the road next week.

steelfury02
10-30-2012, 08:56 AM
Manning isn't a noodle arm, def not the same, but they don't really need to be throwing it more than 30 yards down the field anyways. He has def been lucky to an extent, especially in their last game.

I wouldn't want to face them again at Mile High in the playoffs - and if they are on the same pace as us - that might just happen, regardless if we end up with the division.

dreegking
10-30-2012, 12:13 PM
He's top three for sure. Has been for a while. Very consistent. Choosing the order is a near impossible task. Depends on so much. So long as he plays consistent and at a high level - thats all i care about. One less than stellar game so far - I'll take that.

Fire Arians
10-30-2012, 12:19 PM
Peyton looks great too.....Denver looks tough....

against the worst defense of all time. the saints are terrible this year. i haven't seen a defense that was that bad at tackling, maybe ever.

BlaZeQuietly
10-30-2012, 07:23 PM
I think if you're talking about NFL QB's, I'd break them out like this into 4 categories. This would be entire body of work, however long that may be.

ELITE- distinct group of 6 IMO

1.Brady
2.P.Manning
3.Brees
4.Ben
5. Rodgers
6. E. Manning

Good
7. Ryan
8. Flacco
9. Rivers
10. Stafford
11. Schaub
12. Romo
13. Cutler

Average or too soon to tell

14. RG3
15. Freeman
16. Dalton
17. A. Smith
18. Luck
19. Bradford
20. Newton
21. Ponder
22. Locker
23. Wilson
24. Wheeden
25. Tannehill

Sucks

26. Palmer
27. Vick
28. Fitzpatrick
29. Sanchez
30. Kolb
31. Cassel
32. Gabbert

lmfao sanchez does suck! when he was a rookie I thought he would one day be great, but he's just not developing, hes not getting any better, he is inconsistent and the jets need to dump him and and start over before their entire teams I implodes and they lose a good coach I also think the jets signing tebow was retarded, hes not involved enough, and that unique talent he has is being wasted. Hes gotta either be a quarterback and not be a quarterback, sure he throws the football like hes trying to throw a mean curveball, but there are plenty of teams that I'm sure would love to have him over their current train wrecks. (kolb, vick, gabbert of course flacco)

BlaZeQuietly
10-30-2012, 07:29 PM
Bens name is NEVER brought up in the elite category. I can kind of see why because he is sort of unconventional, but he is my favorite player to watch, and executes and does not crack under pressure, I'm not sure why sports medias snubbs him but hes IMO the 4th beat QB in football

1. Rodgers
2. Brees
3. Brady
4. Ben/ E manning, P manning (three way tie lol)