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BlaZeQuietly
11-01-2012, 12:31 PM
Sure it's only been 2 back to back 100+ games, but this guy can run with power. I heard him referred to as "mini-bus". He's better than mende ever was, and hes younger and better than redman to. Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have reestablished a running game. Time to cut our losses and either bench or trade mende cause right now hes breathing the good steelers oxygen. :tt04:

stb_steeler
11-01-2012, 12:38 PM
Its early to tell how hes gonna pan out but he has shown promise, not sure why they ride Mendy's coat tail so much.....I guess in time we will see!

Darkstorm05
11-01-2012, 12:41 PM
Dwyer is a backup, Mendy is a starter. Maybe one day Dwyer will step up his game, but currently he can't run more than 15 yards without taking a break, and that 100 yard game cost him an injury even though he barely got touched on the run that took him out. He'll put up another 20 yard week soon, and we can shelf this talk again until another backup has a good game. The guy who rushed 12 times for 28 yards against the jets is going to unseat Mendy? Funny.

BlaZeQuietly
11-01-2012, 12:45 PM
Mende seems to confuse the sidelines with the endzones and football with dancing with the stars, he sucks.

BlaZeQuietly
11-01-2012, 12:47 PM
here

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000088632/article/jonathan-dwyer-validating-pittsburgh-steelers-faith-in-him

GoFor7
11-01-2012, 12:48 PM
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the RBs over the offseason. Mendenhall's contract is up, and both Redman and Dwyer are RFAs. I doubt they'll keep both Redman and Dwyer, and since it seems like the Steelers want to continue talks with Wallace after the season (with the possibility of a franchise tag), I'm not so sure Mendenhall will be back.

Darkstorm05
11-01-2012, 12:52 PM
here

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000088632/article/jonathan-dwyer-validating-pittsburgh-steelers-faith-in-him


Yes...

"Rashard's been here, he's earned the starting job, he's played well, he's had great years here, he's the starter and that's it," Dwyer said, adding that Mendenhall, whom he called "the head honcho," hasn't done anything to lose his job. Dwyer said his role is "to complement Rashard."

BlaZeQuietly
11-01-2012, 12:55 PM
Yes...

Yeah, I read it after I posted it, lol, I look like an idiot. Mendy still sucks though

Darkstorm05
11-01-2012, 01:00 PM
Yeah, I read it after I posted it, lol, I look like an idiot. Mendy still sucks though

Haha...I know there's Mendy hate, but Dwyer has a ways to go. Don't get me wrong, I put him higher on my list than Redman, but he has some work to do. I do agree there's a good chance that Mendy bails next year. If that's the case I think we go to a 50/50 split on Dwyer and Rainey for the season, and see how that pans out. We can maybe ride the passing game if we need to, but eventually I look for us to draft a franchise RB in a higher round.

Millers the sh!t
11-01-2012, 03:48 PM
I thought it was Redman who was supposed to be the starter after he had 2 decent games......?

Mendy is our guy. He's proven, and most of all I still don't think he's ever been given a chance to show us hos potential under the Bird Brain Bruce Arians scheme. I can't wait to see what Haley does with Rashard once he's back for a few weeks.

I'd like to see Dwyer as our second guy cause it seems to me that Redman pulled a Mark Sanchez and regressed since last season .

The Mendenhall/Dwyer combo sounds good to me. Speed and power. Im looking forward to seeing what these two can pull off together for the rest of the season. Especially in the playoffs..... I have a feeling we will be running like a maniac Forrest Gump team.

Bayz101
11-01-2012, 03:59 PM
I'm not responsible for making this thread "official". I blame one of the other moderators/administrators. That is all. :chuckle:

But seriously though. It wasn't me.

Hawaii 5-0
11-01-2012, 04:07 PM
I'm not responsible for making this thread "official". I blame one of the other moderators/administrators. That is all. :chuckle:

But seriously though. It wasn't me.

I figured it wasn't the official "official" Jonathan Dwyer thread since his name wasn't even spelled correctly...::wink02:

Fire Haley
11-02-2012, 12:23 PM
wtf???

Steelers won't have RBs Mendenhall & Dwyer Sunday vs. NY. They are officially listed as doubtful, but they will not play

http://twitter.com/mikebires

Hawaii 5-0
11-02-2012, 12:36 PM
wtf???

Steelers won't have RBs Mendenhall & Dwyer Sunday vs. NY. They are officially listed as doubtful, but they will not play

http://twitter.com/mikebires

By Neal Coolong on Nov 1

The running back group continues it's one up and one down 2012 season, as Jonathan Dwyer and Rashard Mendenhall both practiced on a limited basis, but Baron Batch missed his second straight day. Isaac Redman missed the last two games, but he has practiced fully both Wednesday and Thursday.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com...all/in/3346327

Tx777
11-02-2012, 01:26 PM
What's next, stigmata? ....Dr. Harvey Mandrake

steeltheone
11-02-2012, 01:45 PM
Number 1....you can have all the talent in the world and if you can't keep on the field you are worthless to the team.

I can't understand how you can say a guy with 3 year career stats of 83 carries for 450 yards can be considered better than Mendys 832-3441. He has done well the past few games but I think we are jumping the gun anointing him this soon.

torpedoshell31
11-02-2012, 03:11 PM
Redman will start with Rainey as the only healthy backup on Sunday.

FrancoLambert
11-02-2012, 03:16 PM
Number 1....you can have all the talent in the world and if you can't keep on the field you are worthless to the team.

I can't understand how you can say a guy with 3 year career stats of 83 carries for 450 yards can be considered better than Mendys 832-3441. He has done well the past few games but I think we are jumping the gun anointing him this soon.

Ooops, another case of selective amnesia regarding Mendy's importance.
Dwyer's looking good lately, but 2 solid games gives him the nod over Mendenhall??

JeromeBetties63
11-02-2012, 03:21 PM
Ooops, another case of selective amnesia regarding Mendy's importance.
Dwyer's looking good lately, but 2 solid games gives him the nod over Mendenhall??

Would love to have Mendy back but Dwyer is running his arse off.

Darkstorm05
11-02-2012, 03:43 PM
Would love to have Mendy back but Dwyer is running his arse off.

Literally. Quad injury because he can't hold up when he has to actually put in a full games work. Benched for the coming game. Maybe next game he gets to start they'll be better prepared with an oxygen mask and a massage table. Case closed, IMO.

Fire Haley
11-02-2012, 04:15 PM
roll the dice, see who turns up

BlaZeQuietly
11-02-2012, 04:31 PM
Mendy has never been good, even when hes healthy he picks up like 2 yards per carry, and hes always injured, we wasted a draft pick on him (passed on chris johnson I might add) and we keep trying to shove that square peg through a round hole.

JeromeBetties63
11-02-2012, 05:06 PM
Literally. Quad injury because he can't hold up when he has to actually put in a full games work. Benched for the coming game. Maybe next game he gets to start they'll be better prepared with an oxygen mask and a massage table. Case closed, IMO.

Okay, tough guy, don't hurt your fingers typing so hard. What a tool.

SteelersCanada
11-02-2012, 05:26 PM
Literally. Quad injury because he can't hold up when he has to actually put in a full games work. Benched for the coming game. Maybe next game he gets to start they'll be better prepared with an oxygen mask and a massage table. Case closed, IMO.

This is the most ignorant thing I've ever read. You've never played sports if you really believe this.

People that are saying Dwyer over Mendenhall right now are ignorant and stuck in the past. They're clamoring for another Jerome Bettis - something that isn't coming. Sure, he had a couple of good games but it doesn't excuse what he did in the first 4 when Mendenhall was down. Remember those? Remember how poorly he played? I do. I also remember when people were saying "trade for a back at the deadline! these guys suck!" and now we're saying start him over a 3000 yard running back?

You guys are ridiculous. Dwyer was a 6th round pick for a reason - remember that. Only this season did it seem like he even gave a shit, showing up to camp finally in football shape and the ability to have more than 5 carries at a time without needing to be taken off.

Dwyer isn't the long term option for this team and Mendenhall is going to walk in free agency so we can keep Wallace and Sanders. The Steelers need to address this position in the draft, and fairly early. Grabbing a Kenjon Barner or Knile Davis in the third round would be a good idea.

BlaZeQuietly
11-02-2012, 05:32 PM
Good, I hope he walks in free agency, he sure isn't gonna run, he can't even do that in a football game.

Hawaii 5-0
11-02-2012, 06:15 PM
The Steelers need to address this position in the draft, and fairly early. Grabbing a Kenjon Barner or Knile Davis in the third round would be a good idea.

Knile Davis has averaged 3.4 yards per carry so far this season and I watched him fumble the ball three times against Texas A&M, no thanks.

as for Kenjon Barner, he has looked good so far this year for Oregon but he weighs less than 200 lbs and he will most likely be a third-down back in the NFL who also contributes on special teams. we already have a back like that in Chris Rainey...

Darkstorm05
11-02-2012, 06:27 PM
This is the most ignorant thing I've ever read. You've never played sports if you really believe this.

People that are saying Dwyer over Mendenhall right now are ignorant and stuck in the past. They're clamoring for another Jerome Bettis - something that isn't coming. Sure, he had a couple of good games but it doesn't excuse what he did in the first 4 when Mendenhall was down. Remember those? Remember how poorly he played? I do. I also remember when people were saying "trade for a back at the deadline! these guys suck!" and now we're saying start him over a 3000 yard running back?

You guys are ridiculous. Dwyer was a 6th round pick for a reason - remember that. Only this season did it seem like he even gave a shit, showing up to camp finally in football shape and the ability to have more than 5 carries at a time without needing to be taken off.

Dwyer isn't the long term option for this team and Mendenhall is going to walk in free agency so we can keep Wallace and Sanders. The Steelers need to address this position in the draft, and fairly early. Grabbing a Kenjon Barner or Knile Davis in the third round would be a good idea.

So you disagree with me saying Dwyer isn't capable of holding down the starting job, then cut a full promo on Dwyer yourself? Have at it, I guess? :noidea:

Riddle_Of_Steel
11-02-2012, 07:13 PM
Mendy has never been good, even when hes healthy he picks up like 2 yards per carry, and hes always injured, we wasted a draft pick on him (passed on chris johnson I might add) and we keep trying to shove that square peg through a round hole.

You're a tool.

2008 - 3.9 YPC (small sample size, only 19 attempts)
2009 - 4.6 YPC
2010 - 3.9 YPC
2011 - 4.1 YPC
2012 - 3.9 YPC (again, he has only carried it 17 times this year)

I am sure you give Big Ben a break for all the sacks, which have averaged somewhere in the vicinity of 40 - 50 sacks per year, based on shoddy Oline play, but not Mendenhall?

You just don't like him because he was on Dancing with the Stars, I get it. But to say he only averages 2 yards per carry, and then slobbing the nob of a guy who has started for two games-- strains credibility at best.

Dwyer is no "minibus" if the wheels fall off after two games.

Redman never really got his chance, since he was nursing a sore groin and ankle since preseason week 2, but again, the same applies to him-- if you cannot handle 300+ carries per season, then you are NOT a starting RB.

Riddle_Of_Steel
11-02-2012, 07:16 PM
Lets wait and see how Mendy does behind the new Oline and at full health. The guy has had to run it behind our crappola Oline in Arians "there is no fullback in my offense" scheme for five years and still produced us 4 yards per carry.

SteelersCanada
11-02-2012, 09:09 PM
Knile Davis has averaged 3.4 yards per carry so far this season and I watched him fumble the ball three times against Texas A&M, no thanks.

as for Kenjon Barner, he has looked good so far this year for Oregon but he weighs less than 200 lbs and he will most likely be a third-down back in the NFL who also contributes on special teams. we already have a back like that in Chris Rainey...

He's coming back from a pretty severe ankle injury and he's running behind a pretty poor offensive line. Combine those two things and it's understandable that he's only at 3.4 ypc right now. You're forgetting the fact that this is the same Knile Davis that averaged over 6 ypc in his sophomore year and ran for over 1300 yards and 13 TDs. He's a legitimate back, he just needs time to develop and rehab that ankle. Running behind Pouncey and DeCastro will also help. I mean, there's a reason why most "expert scouts" (can I even call them experts?) had him as a first round pick prior to this year - he'll be a solid starter in the NFL and a cheap replacement to Mendenhall. I think he's worth a 3rd round pick with his upside and high ceiling.

Kenjon has actually shown the ability to bounce off tackles and drag guys with him despite his size. This was something Rainey could never do. If he puts on some muscle he could be a legitimate back number 1 back in the NFL, something I think he has the upside and potential to reach.

As for me ripping Dwyer, I ripped his ability and not for him being soft or not tough. That's not it - he's actually tried very hard to come into this season in football shape but he's not the long term answer at running back for this team. We need to stop looking for the next Bettis and realize that's not what NFL backs are nowadays.

Darkstorm05
11-02-2012, 09:19 PM
As for me ripping Dwyer, I ripped his ability and not for him being soft or not tough. That's not it - he's actually tried very hard to come into this season in football shape but he's not the long term answer at running back for this team. We need to stop looking for the next Bettis and realize that's not what NFL backs are nowadays.

Doesn't really have much to do with "Tough" factor. He's not up to speed to carry a team. Every time he makes any real run he's gassed. He makes a big breakout into the secondary and pulls muscles. Not cut out to be a starter. He's great as a backup, but Mendy is the starter. Can't say that enough.

Steelersfan87
11-02-2012, 09:45 PM
What a joke. He was a star and a workhorse in college, and he's still 23. There's no reason to believe he can't physically take the workload.

Anybody knocking any three of these backs should pull their heads out of their asses. They're all capable of being quality players, possibly even starters, although the sample sizes of Dwyer and Redman are too small to truly say.

As for Mendenhall, he has 22 touchdowns in the last two seasons.

Hawaii 5-0
11-03-2012, 09:09 PM
Kenjon has actually shown the ability to bounce off tackles and drag guys with him despite his size. This was something Rainey could never do. If he puts on some muscle he could be a legitimate back number 1 back in the NFL, something I think he has the upside and potential to reach.



Kenjon Barner looked fantastic against USC today, with performances like that he'll never last until our pick in the 3rd round though.

BlaZeQuietly
11-03-2012, 10:19 PM
Mendenhall is NOT even on of the top 10 backs in the AFC. I may have been wrong about his yards per carry i never really checked his stats, but I've watched a lot of games since he started playing and its not very often when I am impressed with him. Redman and Dwyer have impressed me way more, none of them can seem to stay healthy. I agree mendenhall deserves a chance behind the new O-line but to suggest hes earned any type of respect as a serious threat at RB is absurd. When ever its 3rd and short and Mendenhall is out there I'm hoping for a quarter back sneak, any thing but handing it to him and have him spin in circles until someone spears him. I would much rather see it handed to dwyer and have him plow ahead for a gain, like he has been doing almost every time hes gotten the ball the last two weeks.

SteelersCanada
11-03-2012, 10:26 PM
Kenjon Barner looked fantastic against USC today, with performances like that he'll never last until our pick in the 3rd round though.

We can hope! /pipedream

Darkstorm05
11-03-2012, 10:35 PM
Mendenhall is NOT even on of the top 10 backs in the AFC. I may have been wrong about his yards per carry i never really checked his stats, but I've watched a lot of games since he started playing and its not very often when I am impressed with him. Redman and Dwyer have impressed me way more, none of them can seem to stay healthy. I agree mendenhall deserves a chance behind the new O-line but to suggest hes earned any type of respect as a serious threat at RB is absurd. When ever its 3rd and short and Mendenhall is out there I'm hoping for a quarter back sneak, any thing but handing it to him and have him spin in circles until someone spears him. I would much rather see it handed to dwyer and have him plow ahead for a gain, like he has been doing almost every time hes gotten the ball the last two weeks.

Come on now. His 2 healthiest years he put up over 1000 yards rushing both years, and like 20 TD's. He had another year he almost cracked 1000. This was behind the Arians offense, with no blocking or FB helping. And you want to give the nod to a guy that averages what, about 110 yards A YEAR, and zero career TD's? Why is this even up for debate?

BlaZeQuietly
11-03-2012, 10:46 PM
Come on now. His 2 healthiest years he put up over 1000 yards rushing both years, and like 20 TD's. He had another year he almost cracked 1000. This was behind the Arians offense, with no blocking or FB helping. And you want to give the nod to a guy that averages what, about 110 yards A YEAR, and zero career TD's? Why is this even up for debate?

hes has 2 100+ yard rushing games in a row, meanwhile mende can't even play. Let's just see what happens and we can revisit this argument later this year.

tony hipchest
11-03-2012, 10:51 PM
hes has 2 100+ yard rushing games in a row, meanwhile mende can't even play.

neither can dwyer.

run for 200 yds and pull a quad???

c'mon, man! :doh:

Hawaii 5-0
11-04-2012, 12:28 AM
We can hope! /pipedream

btw, good call on this guy! :thumbsup: :drink:

this is the first time i have watched Kenjon Barner really closely for the entire game and i was really impressed to say the least. I didn't think he was big enough to be an every down back but check out these numbers against USC today:

38 carries for 328 yards and 5 TDs

this performance will throw Barner into the Heisman Trophy spotlight if he wasn't already in it.

SteelersCanada
11-04-2012, 12:33 PM
btw, good call on this guy! :thumbsup: :drink:

this is the first time i have watched Kenjon Barner really closely for the entire game and i was really impressed to say the least. I didn't think he was big enough to be an every down back but check out these numbers against USC today:

38 carries for 328 yards and 5 TDs

this performance will throw Barner into the Heisman Trophy spotlight if he wasn't already in it.

He's definitely in the discussion now. He's also a little bit underrated, too. He's not necessarily 'the guy' on that team - that award goes to De'Anthony. A lot of teams may have been overlooking his production before, but they aren't now. I very much doubt he'll end up as a Steeler as we'd have to use a second round pick on him and we have more pressing needs, but this kid has great potential and such a high ceiling.

His size is the only thing working against him right now, but if he puts on a couple of pounds and bulks up - look out.

How great would the stable of Barner as our every down, Dwyer in short and Rainey on third down look?