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19ward86
08-08-2006, 12:45 PM
i know this thread will start a lot of talk but since i am a minor i never lived through the 70's or even the 80's to watch the steelers. so i was curious about the players stats like bradshaws and francos. i always idled farve and terry untill i went to HOF.com and seen terrys stats. i didnt know how horrible of a qb he was. i know i know but think about it, most great qbs have a completion percentage over thier career of about 58-65. but when u look at bradshaws stats he was 50% on average and some seasons where he had a 45%. that is horrible. and the steelers dont throw that much, so your saying 350 passes or so and only half if not less is incomplete. and he wasnt no vinny testeverdi but he threw his fair share of interceptions. pretty much what i am saying is that the steelers could of drafted a qb in the 13th round or something and won the same amount of SBs. it was the defense and running game that won not bradshaw, props to swann and stallworth though. http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=31

RoethlisBURGHer
08-08-2006, 12:52 PM
The first couple of years really screwed him,he was learning how to play NFL football.He really did suck at first.

However,Terry Bradshaw was as clutch a QB as they come.He has thrown four 4th Quarter TD's in the Super Bowl,the only other QB to do that is Joe Montana.He was also a two-time Super Bowl MVP.

And remember,back when he played football was much different.QB's got hit back then,and hit hard.It's not like today where QB's need put in a pink skirt.

19ward86
08-08-2006, 12:58 PM
nice, i understand i just think a lot of the old team was really overshadowed because of terry. he did have big stats and i respect him being in the HOF. he deserves it. because he could control a team but take a gander at the other qbs at the time, u really have to agree that 51% is a little low.

RoethlisBURGHer
08-08-2006, 01:10 PM
It's a bit low but the HoF isn't all about stats.

And I don't think the rest of the team was overshadowed by Terry,it's just that he's the only one to really go into broadcasting so he's the only one that is really still in the national spotlight.

stlrtruck
08-08-2006, 01:57 PM
I believe Terry was never a great QB. But what you'll find is that he was a GREAT FIELD GENERAL. He knew how to move the team up and down the field. It's not always about having the best completion percentage or the highest rating (i.e. Big Ben has the lowest rating of a Super Bowl winning QB) but it's about doing enough when you have the ball to help your team win. That's why the Steelers in the 70's won 4 Super Bowls.

19ward86
08-08-2006, 03:21 PM
i know he was a great leader, and i know he wasnt all about stats but i was just saying that rooney could of drafted a great leader in the late rounds with a strong arm and could of been the same. and if terry would of been drafted to another team he probably wouldnt of had a career at all.

ARKIESTEEL
08-08-2006, 03:24 PM
Terry was not a great QB hmmmmmm Ok. I cant play in this box with you guys. I would say he would be one of the top 5 qb of all time

19ward86
08-08-2006, 03:52 PM
wow, that is a big spot to fill. he might be up there but 8th or 9th sounds better

ARKIESTEEL
08-08-2006, 03:59 PM
Say what you want but them four rings got to stand for something.

tony hipchest
08-08-2006, 05:18 PM
i know this thread will start a lot of talk but since i am a minor i never lived through the 70's or even the 80's to watch the steelers. so i was curious about the players stats like bradshaws and francos. i always idled farve and terry untill i went to HOF.com and seen terrys stats. i didnt know how horrible of a qb he was. i know i know but think about it, most great qbs have a completion percentage over thier career of about 58-65. but when u look at bradshaws stats he was 50% on average and some seasons where he had a 45%. that is horrible. and the steelers dont throw that much, so your saying 350 passes or so and only half if not less is incomplete. and he wasnt no vinny testeverdi but he threw his fair share of interceptions. pretty much what i am saying is that the steelers could of drafted a qb in the 13th round or something and won the same amount of SBs. it was the defense and running game that won not bradshaw, props to swann and stallworth though. http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=31terry bradshaw will be the 1st to tell you (just read his books) that if he were playing in a west coast offense like brady or montana, his stats would be a lot better. he was the blonde bomber and he earned that nickname for a reason. throwing the ball 40 yards down field just doesnt lead to as high of a completion percentage as a qb who uses the passing game and little 5-10 yard passes to supplant the running game. bradshaw always had franco and blier.

Mosca
08-08-2006, 05:24 PM
Brad was thrown in as a starter during an era where qbs called their own plays, and it took 3-4 years of clipboard time before you understood game flow. So his first few years he was awful.

Once he caught on, there was no stopping him. You had to see it to believe it. The Steelers could score from anywhere on the field with either a run or a pass. The guy could whale it, really air it out, and he was on the money. He knew how to set up the defense beautifully. He was big, and strong. He could take a hit. And like other said, this was whan the QB was just another guy on the field.

And he had that intuition, he knew when a pattern broke down what Swann and Stallworth were going to do.

And above all, like stlrtruck said, he was a real field general, a true Steeler. Terry was only about one stat: How many "W"s? Guys like Fouts and Tarkenton could put up all the numbers they wanted to, but at the end of the game Terry went home with the W, every time. The Steelers personality then, and even today, was forged by one man: Chuck Noll. He was every bit as great a coach as you will ever see in your life. And his personality was never one of self-aggrandizement; it was about TEAM, and winning as a team.

If Terry hadn't been a Steeler, he would have been a guy like Fouts; huge numbers on a team that went 6-8, 8-6, 7-9, 9-7 every year. He would have been a starter in '74 instead of '71, and his career would have lasted maybe 3 or 4 years longer, too. But he'd have no rings.


Tom

BBC
08-08-2006, 05:34 PM
i know this thread will start a lot of talk but since i am a minor i never lived through the 70's or even the 80's to watch the steelers. so i was curious about the players stats like bradshaws and francos. i always idled farve and terry untill i went to HOF.com and seen terrys stats. i didnt know how horrible of a qb he was. i know i know but think about it, most great qbs have a completion percentage over thier career of about 58-65. but when u look at bradshaws stats he was 50% on average and some seasons where he had a 45%. that is horrible. and the steelers dont throw that much, so your saying 350 passes or so and only half if not less is incomplete. and he wasnt no vinny testeverdi but he threw his fair share of interceptions. pretty much what i am saying is that the steelers could of drafted a qb in the 13th round or something and won the same amount of SBs. it was the defense and running game that won not bradshaw, props to swann and stallworth though. http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=31

You obviously weren't around to see them play. Just like I said to LambertIsGod, what Terry did for us couldn't be measured in stats. He opened up our running game because of his threat to throw the ball deep on any given opportunity. He was a two-time Super Bowl MVP, he was awarded the 1978 NFL MVP. There is no 13th round quarterback that could have even come close to doing what TB did for us. Don't kid yourself for a second.

ARKIESTEEL
08-09-2006, 06:22 AM
The way Terry played kind of makes me think of another young qb who throws the ball deep alot to set up the run hmmmm who am I thinking of big kid plays in a black jersey hmmmm just cant seem to recall just won a super bowl

stlrtruck
08-09-2006, 07:43 AM
The way Terry played kind of makes me think of another young qb who throws the ball deep alot to set up the run hmmmm who am I thinking of big kid plays in a black jersey hmmmm just cant seem to recall just won a super bowl

I think his name is Benjamin but I'm a little short on memory today!

And you're right, those 4 Super Bowl Rings do mean something. It equals to this - stats mean nothing, rings rule, and The Blonde Bomber is in the H.O.F.!

Midnightwriter07
08-09-2006, 08:15 AM
umm ok, to say that you could have dradted a 13th rounder and still won 4 super Bowls is pretty absurb. Times were different and the style of play was different. Bradshaw was a leader, called his own plays, there was not the dink and dunk pass plays for 3 yards like they do today. when he threw, there was a purpose, not to do what your running back can do to gain the same amount of yards. Although, he was fortunate that he was on a team and with an organization that drafted so well and had the talent around him that enabled him to accomplish what he did, but you can pretty much say that about any QB that is on a winning team. Football is a team sport and ones person success is very rarely due to that person and that person alone i.e ( Barry Sanders but no success as a team).

ARKIESTEEL
08-09-2006, 08:23 AM
That team sport thing does not seem as important and this stat happy day we are in. I hear carson this CJ that they have lot of nice # but they dont have the wins when it matters. You take a bunch of decent players no super stars that act as a team and they will beat all the CJ's and TO"s you want to bring along. I am not saying this Steeler team doesnt have super stars they just dont put themselves ahead of the goal which is the super bowl!!


just my thoughts

HometownGal
08-09-2006, 08:25 AM
terry bradshaw will be the 1st to tell you (just read his books) that if he were playing in a west coast offense like brady or montana, his stats would be a lot better. he was the blonde bomber and he earned that nickname for a reason. throwing the ball 40 yards down field just doesnt lead to as high of a completion percentage as a qb who uses the passing game and little 5-10 yard passes to supplant the running game. bradshaw always had franco and blier.

Most definitely true. Bradshaw also had the benefit of having one hell of a good OL in front of him who protected him (for the most part) like a crowned jewel, as well as two of the best wideouts to ever play the game. Bradshaw is a legend in the NFL - he took complete charge of HIS offense by calling most of the plays and he could read a defense better than most QBs in his era. The Emperor trusted him completely to run that offense and I think that speaks volumes. Like Arkie, I, too, rank him in the Top 5 greatest QBs of all time.

stlrtruck
08-09-2006, 09:00 AM
Remember, he also played in a time when staying with a team was common place, not the exception! In today's NFL it's about the money, not about the rings! Maybe with the new commish we can get back to football the way it was suppose to be played - SMASH MOUTH style!

HometownGal
08-09-2006, 09:10 AM
Remember, he also played in a time when staying with a team was common place, not the exception! In today's NFL it's about the money, not about the rings! Maybe with the new commish we can get back to football the way it was suppose to be played - SMASH MOUTH style!

I echo your sentiments. The NFL has become pussified over the last 20 years and I'd love nothing more than to see the game return to the way it used to be. No nonsense, hard-assed, rough and tumble football without the primadonnas, bruised egos and incessant whining. Get rid of the PFL and bring back the good ol' NFL! :bouncy: