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Fire Haley
11-16-2012, 11:16 AM
Bulldoze all the Pali's into the sea and be done with it..


Hamas militants fire dozens of rockets at Israel


JERUSALEM – Two rockets landed in open fields outside of Jerusalem after air raid sirens sounded in the city sending Israelis running for cover.

Egypt's prime minister rushed to the aid of the Gaza Strip's Hamas rulers Friday in the midst of an Israeli offensive there, calling for an end to the operation, as Palestinian rocket squads aimed at Tel Aviv for a second straight day.

On Thursday, Israeli warplanes struck dozens of Hamas-linked targets, sending loud booms echoing across the narrow Mediterranean coastal strip at regular intervals, followed by gray columns of smoke. After nightfall, several explosions shook Gaza City several minutes apart, a sign the strikes were not letting up. The military said the targets were about 70 underground rocket-launching sites.

http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn2/video/111512_sb_barrett_640.jpg

Early Friday, 85 missiles exploded within 45 minutes in Gaza City, sending black pillars of smoke towering above the coastal strip's largest city. The military said it was targeting underground rocket-launching sites

The Israeli military reported early Friday that its aircraft had struck more than 350 targets since the beginning of its operation against Hamas' rocket operations

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/16/war-looms-over-gaza-as-signs-mount-possible-israeli-invasion/#ixzz2CP2cXWY9

ricardisimo
11-16-2012, 01:55 PM
Yes, because we want to believe AIPAC's version of events at all costs. Here's the chronology from a former Knesset member, Israeli, not Palestinian:

Blood From Clouds
Another Superfluous War
by URI AVNERY
How did it start? Stupid question.
Conflagrations along the Gaza Strip don’t start. They are just a continuous chain of events, each claimed to be a [or “in”] “retaliation” for the previous one. Action is followed by reaction, which is followed by retaliation, which is followed by …
This particular event “started” with the firing from Gaza of an anti-tank weapon at a partially armored jeep on the Israeli side of the border fence. It was described as retaliation for the killing of a boy in an air attack some days earlier. But probably the timing of the action was accidental – the opportunity just presented itself.
The success gave rise to demonstrations of joy and pride in Gaza. Again Palestinians had shown their ability to strike at the hated enemy.
However, the Palestinians had in fact walked into a trap prepared with great care. Whether the order was given by Hamas or one of the smaller more extreme organizations – it was not a clever thing to do.
Shooting across the fence at an army vehicle was crossing a red line. (The Middle East is full of red lines.) A major Israeli reaction was sure to ensue.
It was rather routine. Israeli tanks fired cannon shells into the Gaza Strip. Hamas launched rockets at Israeli towns and villages. Hundreds of thousands of Israelis rushed to their shelters. Schools closed.
As usual, Egyptian and other mediators went into action. Behind the scenes, a new truce was arranged. It seemed to be over. Just another round.
The Israeli side did everything to get back to normal. Or so it seemed. The Prime Minister and the Defense Minister went out of their way (to the Syrian border) to show that Gaza was off their minds.
In Gaza, everybody relaxed. They left their shelters. Their supreme military commander, Ahmad Ja’abari, climbed into his car and drove along the main street.
And then the trap closed. The car bearing the commander was blown up by a missile from the air.
Such an assassination is not carried out on the spur of the moment. It is the culmination of many months of preparation, gathering of information, waiting for the right moment, when it could be executed without killing many bystanders and causing an international scandal.
Actually, it was due to take place a day earlier, but postponed because of the bad weather.
Ja’abari was the man behind all the military activities of the Hamas government in Gaza, including the capture of Gilad Shalit and the successful five-year long hiding of his whereabouts. He was photographed at the release of Shalit to the Egyptians.
So this time it was the Israelis who were jubilant. Much like the Americans after the Osama bin-Laden assassination.
The killing of Ja’abari was the sign for starting the planned operation.
The Gaza Strip is full of missiles. Some of them are able to reach Tel Aviv, some 40 km away. The Israeli military has long planned a major operation to destroy as many of them as possible from the air. Intelligence has patiently gathered information about their location. This is the purpose of the “Pillar of Cloud” operation. (“And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of cloud, to lead them the way – Exodus 13:21).
While I am writing this, I don’t know yet how the whole thing will end. But some conclusions can already be drawn.
First of all, this is not Cast Lead II. Far from it.
The Israeli army is rather good at discreetly drawing lessons from its failures. Cast Lead was celebrated as a great success, but in reality it was a disaster.
Sending troops into a densely populated area is bound to cause heavy civilian casualties. War crimes are almost inevitable. World reaction was catastrophic. The political damage immense. The Chief of Staff at the time, Gabi Ashkenazi, was widely acclaimed, but in reality he was a rather primitive military type. His present successor is of a different caliber.
Also, grandiose statements about destroying Hamas and turning the Strip over to the Ramallah leadership have been avoided this time.
The Israeli aim, it was stated, is to cause maximum damage to Hamas with minimum civilian victims. It was hoped that this could be achieved almost entirely by the use of air power. In the first phase of the operation, this seems to have succeeded. The question is whether this can be kept up as the war goes on.
How will it end? It would be foolhardy to guess. Wars have their own logic. Stuff happens, as the man said.
Binyamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak, the two men in overall command, hope the war will wind down once the main aims are achieved. So there will be no reason to employ the army on the ground, enter the Gaza Strip, kill people, lose soldiers.
Deterrence will be restored. Another truce will come into force. The Israeli population surrounding the Strip will be able to sleep soundly at night for several months. Hamas will be cut down to size.
But will this whole exercise change the basic situation? Not likely.
Ja’abari will be replaced. Israel has assassinated dozens of Arab political and military leaders. Indeed, it is the world champion of such assassinations, politely referred to as “targeted preventions” or “eliminations”. If this were an Olympic sport, the Ministry of Defense, the Mossad and the Shin Bet would be festooned with gold medals.
Sometimes one gets the impression that the assassinations are an aim in themselves, and the other operations just incidental. An artist is proud of his art.
What have the results been ? Overall – nothing positive. Israel killed Hizbollah leader Abbas al-Moussawi, and got the vastly more intelligent Hassan Nasrallah instead. They killed Hamas founder Sheik Ahmad Yassin, and he was replaced by abler men. Ja’abari’s successor may be less or more able. It will make no great difference.
Will it stop the steady advance of Hamas? I doubt it. Perhaps the opposite will happen. Hamas has already achieved a significant breakthrough, when the Emir of Qatar (owner of Aljazeera) paid Gaza a state visit. He was the first head of state to do so. Others are bound to follow. Just now, in the middle of the operation, the Egyptian prime minister arrived in Gaza.
Operation “Pillar of Cloud” compels all Arab countries to rally around Hamas, or at least pretend to. It discredits the claim of the more extreme organizations in Gaza that Hamas has gone soft and lazy, enjoying the fruits of government. In the battle for Palestinian opinion, Hamas has gained another victory over Mahmoud Abbas, whose security cooperation with Israel will look even more despicable.
All in all, nothing basic will change. Just another superfluous war.
It is, of course, a highly political event.
Like Cast Lead, it takes place on the eve of Israeli elections. (So, by the way, did the Yom Kippur war, but that was decided by the other side.)
One of the more miserable sights of the last few days has been the TV appearances of Shelly Yachimovich and Ya’ir Lapid. The two shining new stars in Israel’s political firmament looked like petty politicians, parroting Netanyahu’s propaganda, approving everything done.
Both had hitched their wagons to the social protest, expecting that social issues would displace subjects like war, occupation and settlements from the agenda. When the public is occupied with the price of cottage cheese, who cares about national policy?
I said at the time that one whiff of military action would blow away all economic and social issues as frivolous and irrelevant. This has happened now.
Netanyahu and Barak appear many times a day on the screen. They look responsible, sober, determined, experienced. Real he-men, commanding troops, shaping events, saving the nation, routing the enemies of Israel and the entire Jewish people. As Lapid volunteered on live television: “Hamas is an anti-Semitic terrorist organization and must be crushed.”
Netanyahu is doing it. Adieu, Lapid. Adieu Shelly. Adieu Olmert. Adieu Tzipi. Was nice seeing you.
Was there an alternative? Obviously, the situation along the Gaza Strip had become intolerable. One cannot send an entire population to the shelters every two or three weeks. Except hitting Hamas on the head, what can you do?
A lot.
First of all, you can abstain from “reacting”. Just cut the chain.
Then, you can talk with Hamas as the de facto government of Gaza. You did, actually, when negotiating the release of Shalit. So why not look for a permanent modus vivendi, with the involvement of Egypt?
A hudna can be achieved. In Arab culture, a hudna is a binding truce, sanctified by Allah, which can go on for many years. A hudna cannot be violated. Even the Crusaders concluded hudnas with their Muslim enemies.
The day after the assassination, Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who had been involved in mediating Shalit’s release, disclosed that he had been in contact with Ja’abari up to the last moment. Ja’abari had been interested in a long-term cease-fire. The Israeli authorities had been informed.
But the real remedy is peace. Peace with the Palestinian people. Hamas has already solemnly declared that it would respect a peace agreement concluded by the PLO – i.e. Mahmoud Abbas – that would establish a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, provided this agreement were confirmed in a Palestinian referendum.
Without it, the bloodletting will just go on, round after round. Forever.
Peace is the answer. But when visibility is obscured by pillars of cloud, who can see that?
URI AVNERY is an Israeli writer and peace activist with Gush Shalom. He is a contributor to CounterPunch’s book The Politics of Anti-Semitism (http://www.easycartsecure.com/CounterPunch/CounterPunch_Books.html).

Fire Haley
11-17-2012, 05:43 AM
Hamas targets Jerusalem in major escalation

By IBRAHIM BARZAK and JOSEF FEDERMAN Associated Press

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Palestinian militants took aim at Jerusalem for the first time Friday, launching a rocket attack on the holy city in a major escalation of hostilities as Israel pressed forward with a relentless campaign of airstrikes in the Gaza Strip.

Israel called up thousands of reservists and massed troops along the border with Gaza, signaling a ground invasion of the densely populated seaside strip could be imminent. The attack on Jerusalem, along with an earlier strike on the metropolis of Tel Aviv, raised the likelihood that Israel would soon move in.

Israel launched its military campaign Wednesday after days of heavy rocket fire from Gaza by assassinating the military chief of the territory's ruling Hamas militant group. Since then it has carried out hundreds of airstrikes on weapons-storage facilities and underground rocket-launching sites.

Hamas, an Iranian-backed group committed to Israel's destruction, was badly bruised during its last full-fledged confrontation with Israel four years ago that ended with an informal truce, although rocket fire and Israeli airstrikes on militant operations continued sporadically.

http://www.benningtonbanner.com/ci_22014559/hamas-targets-jerusalem-major-escalation-hostilities

SteelerEmpire
11-17-2012, 08:35 AM
The Palestinian's are gonna end up losing Gaza altogether if they keep this up...

Fire Haley
11-17-2012, 11:29 AM
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

- Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, 1977

Fire Haley
11-17-2012, 05:18 PM
The Palestinian's are gonna end up losing Gaza altogether if they keep this up...

Go Jews!

Hamas Headquarters Leveled, 'Gaza Power Grid Targeted'

The IDF's pounding of Hamas' infrastructure in Gaza entered its fourth day Saturday, and is deemed as highly successful until this point.

The Hamas government headquarters, which housed Gaza "prime minister" Ismail Haniyeh's offices, were leveled to the ground. In addition, "security compounds, tunnels and electricity transformers" were hit, according to Al Jazeera. "Missiles also knocked out five electricity transformers, plunging more than 400,000 people into darkness, according to the Gaza electricity distribution company," the news network reported.

The government has approved the call-up of 75,000 reservists and massed troops, tanks and armored vehicles along the border with Gaza, signaling a ground invasion could be imminent.

The IDF's attacks from air and sea have been very accurate, and attempts to minimize civilian deaths have also been relatively successful, although with Hamas, one never knows when a family may be purposely placed in harm's way to create a bloodbath that can be blamed on Israel....


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162175

ricardisimo
11-17-2012, 05:53 PM
The Palestinian's are gonna end up losing Gaza altogether if they keep this up...
Keep what up? Getting their civilians slaughtered by American missiles? That's a no-brainer.

ricardisimo
11-17-2012, 05:54 PM
Go Jews!

Hamas Headquarters Leveled, 'Gaza Power Grid Targeted'

The IDF's pounding of Hamas' infrastructure in Gaza entered its fourth day Saturday, and is deemed as highly successful until this point.

The Hamas government headquarters, which housed Gaza "prime minister" Ismail Haniyeh's offices, were leveled to the ground. In addition, "security compounds, tunnels and electricity transformers" were hit, according to Al Jazeera. "Missiles also knocked out five electricity transformers, plunging more than 400,000 people into darkness, according to the Gaza electricity distribution company," the news network reported.

The government has approved the call-up of 75,000 reservists and massed troops, tanks and armored vehicles along the border with Gaza, signaling a ground invasion could be imminent.

The IDF's attacks from air and sea have been very accurate, and attempts to minimize civilian deaths have also been relatively successful, although with Hamas, one never knows when a family may be purposely placed in harm's way to create a bloodbath that can be blamed on Israel....


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162175
Go Jews? :huh: Not sure what that has to do with anything, but...

So you're rooting for war crimes? Blowing up electricity transformers for the population?

SteelersCanada
11-17-2012, 06:18 PM
Go Jews? :huh: Not sure what that has to do with anything, but...

So you're rooting for war crimes? Blowing up electricity transformers for the population?

I don't understand how anyone can be pro Palestine. They've launched 12 000 rockets over the last 12 years at Israel. Suddenly, Palestine is bitching and complaining that Israel eventually had enough of their bullshit and fought back. Now, they're begging for a cease fire because Israel brought out their 'big guns'.

Palestine brought this on themselves. Now, you see signs like "Finish what Hitler started" and "A world without Israel = Peace". Ignoring the sheer ridiculousness and ignorance of praising Hitler in the middle east, Hamas' 'slogan' is "No recognition. No negotiations. No peace.". They're using women and children as human shields on the frontlines and you want us to feel sorry for them? Sorry, they're the definition of scum.

There is an argument to be made if Israel is being too aggressive, but I don't blame them. They have to put up with all this bullshit being apart of the middle east, but they're the only civilized country that respects human rights. I mean, people are supporting a country where it's legal to stone a woman to death after being raped and charged for adultery and hanging homosexuals for being homosexual.

Sorry, my sympathy for those in Palestine has run out. This better be the final straw to all countries in the region to stop fucking around with Israel and maybe we can start to build peace over there. But I doubt it.

SteelCityMom
11-17-2012, 10:30 PM
Israel has engaged in its current, escalating military campaign not to protect Israelis from a militant Hamas, but in order to ensure that Hamas in Gaza remains militant.
Why? The answer is simple and twofold: a) Netanyahu's government wants a militant Hamas in Gaza; it wants a situation in which Gaza becomes isolated from the West Bank, hoping eventually Greater Israel will be obtained with Gaza becoming a separate entity, and b) with Israeli elections set for January, electoral motivations are undeniably in play with regard to this sudden military barrage.

.........

To be sure, Israel will once again achieve many of its short-term tactical goals, assassinating a handful of Hamas leaders, leveling militant safe houses, and eliminating scores of Hamas military installations or weapon depots. And, in the end, Israel will be no safer, although it will surely be more alone in the world and living in a neighborhood that is less tolerant of its aggressive countermeasures.
It’s time to declare Israel’s policy toward Gaza and Hamas a failure.
This is not an anti-Israel statement. Rather, it is an honest acknowledgment of the facts, which are simply too numerous to avoid.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/17/1162663/-Israeli-Minister-The-goal-is-to-send-Gaza-back-to-the-Middle-Ages

Israel is, what, the 10th (or at least in the top 10) in military power, and they are drone bombing a country with NO real military, that shoots rockets at them because they are starving their people? Ummmm...yeah.

This is not an anti-semitic statement, and yes, Israel has the right to defend themselves from legitimate threats. But this is nothing more than political power play from Netenyahu. There's more to this than what you hear on FoxNews people.

MACH1
11-17-2012, 10:35 PM
Irans fighting a proxy war through hamas. Where do you think all those rockets come from?

SteelCityMom
11-17-2012, 10:48 PM
"We lock them there in a big ghetto...we treat them as animals, and this is the result"

yL4D7NSFN5M

ricardisimo
11-17-2012, 11:29 PM
Irans fighting a proxy war through hamas. Where do you think all those rockets come from?
Well, let's look at that:


The Qassam rocket (Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): صاروخ القسام‎ Ṣārūkh al-Qassām; also Kassam) is a simple steel artillery rocket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_rocket) developed and deployed by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades), the military arm of Hamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas). Three models have been produced and used, with the first introduced in 2001.
The al-Quds 101 Rocket is a homemade rocket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket) made and used by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Islamic_Jihad) for use in attacks against Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel).
Katyusha multiple rocket launchers (Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language): Катю́ша; IPA: [kɐˈtʲʉʂə] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Russian) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Speaker_Icon.svg/13px-Speaker_Icon.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ru-%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8E%D1%88%D0%B0.ogg) listen (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Ru-%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8E%D1%88%D0%B0.ogg))) are a type of rocket artillery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_artillery) first built and fielded by the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union) in World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II).
The BM-21 launch vehicle (Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language): БМ-21 "Град"), a Soviet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet) truck-mounted 122 mm multiple rocket launcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_rocket_launcher),[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad#cite_note-1) and a M-21OF rocket[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad#cite_note-2) were developed in the early 1960s.

So, the answer to your question is: They're making it themselves, or buying Soviet surplus on the black market, which is exactly what the CIA reports would tell anyone who bothers to read them.

Why would you jump to Iran's proxy war on not a lot of evidence, and not discuss the US' proxy war. Should we look at Israel's weapons and where they came from?

ricardisimo
11-17-2012, 11:34 PM
I don't understand how anyone can be pro Palestine. They've launched 12 000 rockets over the last 12 years at Israel. Suddenly, Palestine is bitching and complaining that Israel eventually had enough of their bullshit and fought back. Now, they're begging for a cease fire because Israel brought out their 'big guns'.

Palestine brought this on themselves. Now, you see signs like "Finish what Hitler started" and "A world without Israel = Peace". Ignoring the sheer ridiculousness and ignorance of praising Hitler in the middle east, Hamas' 'slogan' is "No recognition. No negotiations. No peace.". They're using women and children as human shields on the frontlines and you want us to feel sorry for them? Sorry, they're the definition of scum.

There is an argument to be made if Israel is being too aggressive, but I don't blame them. They have to put up with all this bullshit being apart of the middle east, but they're the only civilized country that respects human rights. I mean, people are supporting a country where it's legal to stone a woman to death after being raped and charged for adultery and hanging homosexuals for being homosexual.

Sorry, my sympathy for those in Palestine has run out. This better be the final straw to all countries in the region to stop fucking around with Israel and maybe we can start to build peace over there. But I doubt it.
I'm pro-peace. I'm not pro-Palestinian or pro-Israeli. And I wouldn't start waving numbers around when discussing this particular conflict if I were you. Every meaningful statistic... hell, every statistic meaningful or not - points to Israeli aggression, over-reaction, atrocity and war crimes. Mom suggested a few, but there are lots of others, easily obtainable from US or Israeli sources. You don't need to believe Swedish tree-huggers.

Fire Haley
11-18-2012, 07:58 AM
I don't understand how anyone can be pro Palestine..


Israel made the biggest mistake ever by unilaterally giving up Gaza thinking they would have peace. You can't make peace with feral dogs.

Without "Palestinians", Gaza could become a beach-front tourist destination with hotels and golf courses.

Kick them all out and send them back to Jordan and Syria and Egypt where they came from. Nothing but a bunch of terrorists that live to kill Jews anyway.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/rawcatslyentist/ashura2.jpghttp://oi42.tinypic.com/11j2a0g.jpg

Fire Haley
11-18-2012, 08:52 AM
Go Jews? :huh: Not sure what that has to do with anything

I'm rooting for my girls

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Cpk12lNjG38/UEEgQ1nfTeI/AAAAAAAAAE0/1sbCwfIukTo/s1600/3998862669_a2a8591b2e_o.jpg


Hamas' objectives have always been straightforward. Its commanders and suicide bombers know what they are fighting for.

"Our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave," the Hamas charter says. "Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims."

why do you hate the Jews?

Vis
11-18-2012, 09:48 AM
Rupert Murdoch @rupertmurdoch
Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
about 13 hours ago

Fire Haley
11-18-2012, 12:09 PM
self-hating Jews are nothing new



hey, that rhymed

ricardisimo
11-18-2012, 06:54 PM
Israel made the biggest mistake ever by unilaterally giving up Gaza thinking they would have peace. You can't make peace with feral dogs.

Without "Palestinians", Gaza could become a beach-front tourist destination with hotels and golf courses.

Kick them all out and send them back to Jordan and Syria and Egypt where they came from. Nothing but a bunch of terrorists that live to kill Jews anyway.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e62/rawcatslyentist/ashura2.jpghttp://oi42.tinypic.com/11j2a0g.jpg
Where does one even begin?

MACH1
11-18-2012, 08:12 PM
Well, let's look at that:


The Qassam rocket (Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): صاروخ القسام‎ Ṣārūkh al-Qassām; also Kassam) is a simple steel artillery rocket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery_rocket) developed and deployed by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izz_ad-Din_al-Qassam_Brigades), the military arm of Hamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas). Three models have been produced and used, with the first introduced in 2001.
The al-Quds 101 Rocket is a homemade rocket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket) made and used by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Islamic_Jihad) for use in attacks against Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel).
Katyusha multiple rocket launchers (Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language): Катю́ша; IPA: [kɐˈtʲʉʂə] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Russian) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Speaker_Icon.svg/13px-Speaker_Icon.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ru-%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8E%D1%88%D0%B0.ogg) listen (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Ru-%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8E%D1%88%D0%B0.ogg))) are a type of rocket artillery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_artillery) first built and fielded by the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union) in World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II).
The BM-21 launch vehicle (Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language): БМ-21 "Град"), a Soviet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet) truck-mounted 122 mm multiple rocket launcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_rocket_launcher),[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad#cite_note-1) and a M-21OF rocket[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad#cite_note-2) were developed in the early 1960s.

So, the answer to your question is: They're making it themselves, or buying Soviet surplus on the black market, which is exactly what the CIA reports would tell anyone who bothers to read them.

Why would you jump to Iran's proxy war on not a lot of evidence, and not discuss the US' proxy war. Should we look at Israel's weapons and where they came from?


Not quite.

TEL AVIV — When Israel assassinated the top Hamas military commander in Gaza on Wednesday, setting off the current round of fierce fighting, it was aiming not just at a Palestinian leader but at a supply line of rockets from Iran that have for the first time given Hamas the ability to strike as far as Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

The commander, Ahmed al-Jabari, had shifted Hamas’s low-grade militia into a disciplined force with sophisticated weapons like Fajr-5 rockets, which are named after the Persian word for dawn and have significantly increased the danger to Israel’s major cities. They have a range of about 45 miles and are fired by trained crews from underground launching pads.

Hamas had perhaps 100 of them until the Israeli attacks last week, which appear to have destroyed most of the stockpile. The rockets are assembled locally after being shipped from Iran to Sudan, trucked across the desert through Egypt, broken down into parts and moved through Sinai tunnels into Gaza

The smuggling route involves salaried employees from Hamas along the way, Iranian technical experts traveling on forged passports and government approval in Sudan, Israeli officials said.

“Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad are building weapons with experts from Iran,” one top security official said Saturday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/world/middleeast/arms-with-long-reach-bolster-hamas.html

Fire Haley
11-19-2012, 03:22 PM
Obama to the rescue! - sending your tax dollars to his Arab terrorist jihad brothers...



Obama Sends $147 Million to Hamas

Against GOP objections, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has announced that the Obama administration is sending $147 million in funding to the West Bank and Hamas-run Gaza.

Despite a “hold by House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla.,” the administration is arguing the money needs to be sent on humanitarian grounds.

They did not, however, explain how they plan to force Hamas to use the money for humanitarian purposes.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/04/13/obama-sends-147-million-to-hamas-run-gaza

ricardisimo
11-19-2012, 11:54 PM
Unless I'm very much mistaken, this aid package is annual, and predates Obama's tenure. It has been frozen, however, by Congress for years with the hostilities as an excuse. Even so, let's review:

Palestine: $147,000,000
Israel: $3,000,000,000 (not counting about $2,000,000,000 in loan guarantees).

:scratchchin:

By the way, $1.2B of that is classified as "economic aid". Why are we giving economic aid (especially that much) to one of the wealthier countries on the planet?

tony hipchest
11-20-2012, 02:17 AM
Unless I'm very much mistaken, this aid package is annual, and predates Obama's tenure. It has been frozen, however, by Congress for years with the hostilities as an excuse. Even so, let's review:

Palestine: $147,000,000
Israel: $3,000,000,000 (not counting about $2,000,000,000 in loan guarantees).

:scratchchin:

By the way, $1.2B of that is classified as "economic aid". Why are we giving economic aid (especially that much) to one of the wealthier countries on the planet?

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/ono_whap.gif

more republican rhetoric and propaganda fail.-



Obama to the rescue! - sending your tax dollars to his Arab terrorist jihad brothers...

:chuckle: i sure wish we could shut down the majority of ALL foreign aid until we get our shit together financially. i guess thats the price we pay being the most powerful nation on earth.

Fire Haley
11-20-2012, 10:07 AM
Israel Sends Hamas 36-Hour Ultimatum

Diplomatic message to Egypt: Hamas terrorism must cease by Tuesday evening or we step up attack.

Israel has delivered an ultimatum to Hamas through Egypt, according to which the IDF will widen its offensive in Gaza in 36 hours unless Hamas ceases firing rockets and smuggling arms into Gaza, IDF Radio reported Monday morning.

Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz told the station that the time left before Israel steps up its attack can be measured in "hours, not days."

According to reports in Cairo, Hamas demands a complete removal of the blockade on Gaza, an IDF commitment to stop crossing the security fence into Gaza and a cessation of targeted killings.

Israel, for its part, demands that Hamas cease firing rockets into Israel for a period of "several years" and a cessation of arms smuggling into Gaza. Israel agrees to Hamas's demand that the Rafiah crossing into Egypt be opened, but refuses to open crossings into Israel.

Hamas official Moussa Abu Marzuk said that Hamas will not agree to Israel's demands for a "security belt" on Gaza's eastern side, and a cessation of smuggling through the tunnels.
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162236

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they are being too kind

Tell Hamas they have 24 hours to evacuate Gaza, then send in the flamethrower tanks and burn it all to the ground.

then bulldoze the rubble into the sea

MACH1
11-20-2012, 01:07 PM
What hamas needs is more sympathizers.

Hamas Publicly Executes Six ‘Suspected Collaborators’ With Israel

Witnesses say masked gunmen have publicly executed six “suspected collaborators” with Israel at a busy Gaza City intersection.

The Hamas military wing claimed responsibility.

Witnesses said the six men were pulled out of a van Tuesday, then forced to lie face down on the street and shot dead.

The bodies then laid in a pile as a mob stomped and spit on them. A sixth body was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, “Spy! Spy!”

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Screen-Shot-2012-11-20-at-10.41.09-AM-570x620.png
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/spy-spy-hamas-publicly-executes-six-suspected-collaborators-with-israel-graphic-photos/

Fire Haley
11-21-2012, 03:38 PM
Terrorist Attack on Bus in Tel Aviv; Hamas Celebrates

The blast took place as US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was in Israel for talks with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on ways to end a deadly spike in bloodshed in and around Gaza over the past week.

Netanyahu's spokesman said it was "a terrorist attack."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8N8nGYCUAACl82.jpg:large


No terrorist group has yet taken responsibility for the attack, but Islamic Jihad and Hamas have threatened to strike anywhere in Israel.

TV images showed the bus with its windows blown out and its metal frame contorted from the force of the blast, in images reminiscent of scenes from previous terrorist bombings in the Second Intifada, also known as the Oslo War.

Gaza Arabs celebrated the attack, and Hamas officials said it was carried out in revenge for Israeli aerial bombings in Gaza that killed several members of one family

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162356#.UKy5OWfxH_k

Fire Haley
11-21-2012, 04:37 PM
Hamas, Egypt, Hillary/Obama.

sorry Jews, you lose


Hamas Declares Victory, Gaza Celebrates

'Israel has failed in all its goals.' Gazans fire into the air and chant victory slogans.

Hamas chief Khaled Mashaal announced in a press conference Wednesday evening that Israel "has failed in all its goals" in Operation Defensive Pillar, following the cease fire announcement.

"After eight days, God stayed their hand from the people of Gaza, and they were compelled to submit to the conditions of the resistance," Mashaal said. "Israel has failed in all its goals," he told reporters in a Cairo hotel.

Mashaal also thanked ceasefire mediator Egypt, as well as Iran, which he said "had a role in arming" Hamas during the conflict.

Arabs in Gaza took to the streets to celebrate the start of the truce deal, firing into the air and chanting victory slogans, AFP reported.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/Resizer.ashx/news/250/168/384963.jpg


Heavy celebratory gunfire could be heard throughout Gaza, and residents also released fireworks into the night sky, where Israeli drones could still be buzzing heard overhead.

"The resistance has triumphed," some shouted, alongside chants of "God is greatest. ("Allahu Akbar")


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162377

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Gaza reloads.

MasterOfPuppets
11-21-2012, 10:49 PM
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:scratchchin:

By the way, $1.2B of that is classified as "economic aid". Why are we giving economic aid (especially that much) to one of the wealthier countries on the planet?
because god told congress to do so ...stupid heathen gentiles ....:rolleyes: ...always questioning gods motives towards his chosen peeps....:doh:

Fire Haley
11-22-2012, 05:30 AM
One hour ceasefire?

Way to go Hillary!



Hamas Fires 20 Missiles Into Israel an Hour After Ceasefire

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/ceasefire-lasts-about-three-hours-before-hamas-fires-missile-into-israel/

ricardisimo
11-22-2012, 08:04 PM
One hour ceasefire?

Way to go Hillary!



Hamas Fires 20 Missiles Into Israel an Hour After Ceasefire

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/ceasefire-lasts-about-three-hours-before-hamas-fires-missile-into-israel/
You really have to choose better news sources. Try the Weekly World News or something. The Israeli military itself (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20444499) said that three rockets were fired shortly after the ceasefire went into effect. And knowing how military PR systems work, even that is probably a lie.

Fire Haley
11-23-2012, 09:08 AM
KILL ALL THE JEWS!

It's your Holy Destiny!



your Muslim Brotherhood says kill all the Jews

yeah, you can read about that in your USA fucking Today

top cleric from Egypt's fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood has denounced peace efforts with Israel, urging holy war to liberate Palestinian territories



Egypt Brotherhood leader blasts peace with Israel


CAIRO (AP) — The top leader of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood denounced peace efforts with Israel and urged holy war to liberate Palestinian territories on Thursday — one day after the country's president, who hails from the movement, mediated a cease-fire between Israelis and Palestinians to end eight days of fierce fighting.

"The enemy knows nothing but the language of force," said Mohammed Badie. "Be aware of the game of grand deception with which they depict peace accords"

Badei says "jihad is obligatory" for Muslims and that peace deals with Israel are a "game of grand deception."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/11/22/egypt-gaza/1721501/
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MasterOfPuppets
11-23-2012, 03:56 PM
http://sabbah.biz/mt/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/shrinking-map-of-palestine.png

MACH1
11-23-2012, 05:42 PM
http://www.in.gov/history/images/usmap1783.gif

MasterOfPuppets
11-23-2012, 08:43 PM
http://www.in.gov/history/images/usmap1783.gif

http://lrd.buffalohair-jage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/new_map.jpg

ricardisimo
11-23-2012, 10:17 PM
KILL ALL THE JEWS!

It's your Holy Destiny!



your Muslim Brotherhood says kill all the Jews

yeah, you can read about that in your USA fucking Today

top cleric from Egypt's fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood has denounced peace efforts with Israel, urging holy war to liberate Palestinian territories



Egypt Brotherhood leader blasts peace with Israel


CAIRO (AP) — The top leader of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood denounced peace efforts with Israel and urged holy war to liberate Palestinian territories on Thursday — one day after the country's president, who hails from the movement, mediated a cease-fire between Israelis and Palestinians to end eight days of fierce fighting.

"The enemy knows nothing but the language of force," said Mohammed Badie. "Be aware of the game of grand deception with which they depict peace accords"

Badei says "jihad is obligatory" for Muslims and that peace deals with Israel are a "game of grand deception."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/11/22/egypt-gaza/1721501/
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I'm missing something. Where does anyone say "kill all the Jews"? It reads like a standard call to arms. His claim that peace deals with Israel are pointless and fruitless is a critique that you are just as likely to hear from Israeli peace activists as from Muslims. That was precisely the point from the article I posted earlier, written by a former Knesset member, hardly someone who wants to kill all the Jews.

Also, just clear something up for me: do you think USA Today is left-wing propaganda?

ricardisimo
11-23-2012, 10:33 PM
http://www.in.gov/history/images/usmap1783.gif

http://lrd.buffalohair-jage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/new_map.jpg
You and Mach are probably onto something. Adolf Hitler cited the US' dealings with the Native American nations as his model for dealing with the Jews. That's not empty talk; steadily driving an entire nation off their land, corralling their people into concentration camps and starving them to death has it's precedents, and it's not in Auschwitz.

It's no mistake that the zionist movement was headquartered in Berlin. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if there's a problem with Israel, it's not that they're Jews. It's that they're Germans.

MACH1
11-24-2012, 12:39 AM
http://lrd.buffalohair-jage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/new_map.jpg

Should we go back to pre-american borders?

But yes we can't point fingers at another country's expansion without looking at our own and what comes/goes with it.

This is where obama apologizes for America.

tony hipchest
11-24-2012, 03:11 AM
your Muslim Brotherhood says kill all the Jews



are you talking to the air or to yourself again? :rolleyes:

GTFO with this bullshit.

:jerkit:

your time might be better spent working on the next failed GOP "all bark, no bite" campaign for the next 4 years.

get crackin... :chuckle:

Fire Haley
11-24-2012, 12:12 PM
Hamas has only one mission and that is to destroy Israel.


Your Muslim Brotherhood President agrees and is OK with that.

ricardisimo
11-24-2012, 02:52 PM
Hamas has only one mission and that is to destroy Israel.


Your Muslim Brotherhood President agrees and is OK with that.
Based on what? I don't get the point of this sort of rhetoric. What does it benefit you or anyone else to paint the Palestinians like this, or to entertain these fantasies about Obama? I just don't get it.

Fire Haley
11-24-2012, 05:34 PM
Mufti: Muslims' destiny is to kill Jews

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kDoV8ZL9Xkc

ricardisimo
11-24-2012, 09:15 PM
First, of all, I don't speak or understand Arabic, so who knows what the dude is saying. Secondly, you posted a subtitled video. Really? Yeah, I'm sure the translation is absolutely perfect. Here's some more subtitles for you:

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/73671/80739998.jpg

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/73671/80740004.jpg

Thirdly, the question remains: how does that sort of rhetoric help anyone? That includes this speaker in the video as well as you.

ricardisimo
11-24-2012, 10:20 PM
This from yet another who clearly wants to kill all the Jews:

Gaza 2012: On the Use and Abuse of Hatred and Violence
Why Israel Desires to be Hated by Palestinians

by OREN BEN-DOR
Yet another massacre is unfolding in Gaza, the largest prison in the world. We are surrounded by familiar chatter: ‘Israel’s right to defend itself’; ‘Palestinians’ legitimate resistance to (the 1967) occupation’; ‘who started it this time?’ Most insidious, however, is the stale refrain, sung by a chorus which includes President Obama, that the violence is disastrous for the ‘peace process’ aimed at a ‘two-state solution’.

While it has been noted that one motivation for the Israeli government, in the run-up to elections in January, is to unite voters behind a ‘no choice’ rhetoric, there is a deeper motivation at stake here – to restrict the horizons of political debate, to control what should be regarded as a litmus test for ‘realistic’, ‘moderate’ and ‘reasonable’ voices.

War is useful because the passion it arouses prevents people from asking two basic questions that must be addressed if the core of silencing and violence that we are witnessing is to be grasped and, in turn, if progress is ever to be made towards justice and enduring peace. First, what kind of state is Israel? Second, who are the Palestinians that this state is in conflict with?

Israel was established to be a Jewish state. Its institutions have always been shaped and constrained so as to ensure the continued existence of a Jewish majority and character. Passing a test of Jewishness entitles someone to Israeli citizenship regardless of where in the world she lives. Furthermore, her citizenship comes with a bundle of political, social and economic rights which are preferential to that of citizens who do not qualify as Jewish. This inbuilt discriminatory premise highlights the apartheid nature of the state. But apartheid is not an accidental feature of Israel. Its very creation involved immense injustice and suffering. Shielding and rationalizing this inbuilt premise prevents the address of past injustices and ensures their continuity into the future. It is a premise that, in matters of constitutional interpretation, takes precedence over, and thus involves the imposition of ‘reasonable’ limitations on, equality of citizenship.

The Palestinians, we are told, are a people who live in the West Bank and Gaza. The impression forced on us is that the conflict concerns a compromise to be made the correct border between Israel and a Palestinian state. We are led to believe that a partition into two-states would satisfy both genuine and realistic aspirations for justice and peace. In this view, the violence in Gaza is just an unreasonable aberration from an otherwise noble peace process.

But Palestinians actually comprise three groups. First, those whose families originate in the territories that were occupied by Israel in 1967 (Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem). Second, the descendants of the approximately 750,000 non-Jews who were ethnically cleansed in 1947-9 in order to ensure a Jewish majority in the new Jewish state. This group is dispersed around the world, mostly in refugee camps in the territories occupied in 1967 and the neighbouring states. Israel has persistently denied them their internationally recognized legal right to return. The majority in Gaza consists of refugees from villages which are now buried under Israeli towns and cities that were created explicitly for Jewish citizens, places which include Ashkelon and Tel Aviv that were hit by rockets in the current conflict. The third group of Palestinians, which Israel insists on calling by the euphemism ‘Israeli Arabs’, are the non-Jews who managed to evade ethnic cleansing in 1947-49 and who now live as second-class citizens of Israel, the state which likes to claim that it is ‘Jewish and democratic’.

Until 1948, the territory of Palestine stretched from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean. The violence that has afflicted the area ever since is the direct result of an event whose true nature our society seems determined to deny. Violence keeps erupting because of the silencing and marginalization of a simple truth surrounding any partition policy: that the injustice that afflicts Palestine can not be partitioned. It is because of the desire to preserve a Jewish state that first, the legal dualism that exists in the 1967 Occupied Territories as well as the horror at the ‘Separation Wall’ have become the dominant political discourses of apartheid, second, that the refugees are remained dispossessed and, thirdly, that both actual and potential non-Jew Arab citizens do, and would, suffer discrimination. The two-state vision means that the inbuilt apartheid within Israel, and in turn the injustice to two groups of Palestinians, does never become the central political problem.

The range of reactions to the current carnage shows just how successful violence has been in sustaining the legitimacy of Israel by entrenching the political focus merely on its actions rather than on its nature. These reactions keep the discourse that calls for criticizing Israel rather than for replacing it with an egalitarian polity over the whole of historical Palestine.

Israel desires to be hated by Palestinians. By provoking violence Israel has not merely managed to divert the limelight from its apartheid nature. It has also managed to convince that, as Joseph Massad of Columbia University once captured, it has the right to occupy, to dispossess and to discriminate, namely the claim that the apartheid premise which founds it should be put up with and rationalized as reasonable. Would anybody allow such a right-claim to hold sway in apartheid South Africa? How come that the anti-apartheid and egalitarian calls for the non-recognition of Israel right to exist are being marginalized as extreme and unrealizable? What kind of existential fetters cause the world to exhibit such blindness and a drop of compassion? Is there no unfolding tragedy that anticipates violence against Jews precisely because past violence against them in Europe is being allowed to serve as a rationalizing device of an apartheid state?

Israel has already created a de facto single state between the river and the sea, albeit one which suffers from several apartheid systems, one within Israel and another in the occupied territories. We must not let Israeli aggression prevent us from treating as moderate and realistic proposals to turn this single state into one where all would have equal rights.

Oren Ben-Dor grew up in the State of Israel. He is a Professor of Law and Philosophy in the Law School, University of Southampton, UK. He can be reached at: okbendor@yahoo.com.

Fire Haley
11-25-2012, 10:31 AM
jibber jabber


Like I said, a "ceasefire" is just more time to reload for the jihadists


'Satellites show Iran moving quickly to rearm Hamas'

http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?ID=208185

Israeli intelligence satellites have spied the loading of rockets and other materiel believed to be destined for the Gaza Strip, The Sunday Times reported citing Israeli officials.

According to the report, Iran began preparing the weapons shipment around the same time Israel and Hamas negotiated cease-fire understandings late last week.

The shipment is said to include Iranian-made Fajr-5 medium-range rockets, the same model that was fired into the Tel Aviv and Jerusalem areas during Operation Pillar of Defense

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=293324

ricardisimo
11-25-2012, 02:44 PM
What planet are you on? If you are going to talk about weapons, weaponry, number of missiles, sophistication of tech, etc., etc., blahblahblah, Palestine pales in comparison to Israel. Who's reloading? The only difference is that we reload Israel for them. Even if we assume that the Palestinians are being armed by the mighty Iranian armed forces, which is at best an inflated argument, it's slingshots vs. nuclear weapons.

Your blatant racism or ethnicism or whatever you want to call it is blinding you to two facts:


Israel is imposing an unjust apartheid system that will never be accepted by Palestinians nor the rest of the world;
Israel is a military and economic juggernaut in the region with a sociopathic willingness to flex its bloody power.

We support Israel for all sorts of reasons, but don't fool yourself that any of them are humanitarian or benevolent.

Fire Haley
11-25-2012, 09:26 PM
Israel is now South Africa? hahahaha

Send all the Pali's packing back to Jordan - their home country....oh right, they don't want them either, in fact none of their Arab brothers want Hamas and their jihad suicide bombers in their midst

You'd think with all them missles flying through the air at least one couldn't "accidently" fall on that abomination on the Temple Mount.

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/israel/images/jerusalem/dome-of-rock/album/view-from-tower-of-david-cc-jungle-boy-350.jpg

Blow up the Dome of the Rock and build the 3rd Jewish Temple there and let's get this Armageddon thing going.

ricardisimo
11-25-2012, 10:59 PM
So, just to be clear, you have no interest in peace in the Middle East, let alone any justice or democracy. You're just another religious kook who hates life and wants to end it all?

SteelerEmpire
11-26-2012, 12:49 AM
Israel is gonna win in the end... I'll put money on it .....; )

ricardisimo
11-26-2012, 02:35 AM
Israel is gonna win in the end... I'll put money on it .....; )
Mr. Olmert would seem to disagree (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/nov/30/israel). And for good reason.

Fire Haley
11-26-2012, 07:42 AM
So, just to be clear, you have no interest in peace in the Middle East, let alone any justice or democracy. You're just another religious kook who hates life and wants to end it all?

I pledge allegiance to any god that lets me win the lottery, yea verily.

Jews, Christians and Muslims are all the same to me. Same book of characters from the same land, same god, same 2000 years of Holy Wars.

I say it's time to bring back the olde gods and start throwing virgins into volcanos, now that's entertainment..

ricardisimo
11-30-2012, 07:05 AM
November 29, 2012
Sasha, Malia: Tell Your Parents About Sara al-Dalou!
Gaza: What Would Lincoln Do?
by ROBIN D. G. KELLEY
Most American media have praised President Obama’s handling of the Gaza crisis. It is certainly a relief that Operation Pillar of Defense produced about one-tenth the casualties of Operation Cast Lead four years earlier, though it is small comfort to the 168 Palestinians and 6 Israelis who died, or the nearly 1,600 injured, or the thousands left homeless. Palestinian civilians, about one-fifth of whom were children, were the war’s main victims. Careful observers know that the Egyptian brokered cease-fire is but a stop-gap measure. If anything, the war heightened insecurity in the region, strengthened Hamas’s legitimacy among Palestinians, and, as Israeli journalist Amira Hass recently put it, cemented Israel’s self-image as the victim.


The conflict did not begin with indiscriminate rocket fire from Hamas militants, or the assassination of Ahmed Jabari, or the IDF killing of 13-year-old Ahmad Abu Daqqa. It dates back to 1967 and the occupation—and even that’s not the whole story. A permanent solution will require nothing short of ending the occupation and securing real Palestinian sovereignty or extending full citizenship rights in a single, democratic state.


President Obama knows this, but his decision to unconditionally support Israel’s latest siege reveals a lack of political will and imagination. “There is no country on earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders,” the President announced during his Asia tour (ignoring U.S. drones strikes on other countries). Even if one believes these principles apply to Gaza, the analogy masks the fact that Gaza is not a sovereign state but under occupation since Israel controls its borders, air space, and sea-lanes—a fact confirmed by our own State Department. He knows that Israel’s blockade of Gaza, the source of the region’s immense poverty, is a clear violation of Articles 33, 55, and 56 of the 4th Geneva Convention prohibiting the collective punishment of civilians and requiring an occupying power to ensure access to food, medical supplies, hospitals and public health facilities.


Although President Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu insist that the bombing of Gaza was merely a necessary security measure, Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai was more forthright when he declared that the “goal of [Operation Pillar of Defense] is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages.” Obama also knows that these intermittent wars, not to mention IDF attacks and home demolitions in the West Bank, violate our own Arms Export Control Act, which prohibits the use of U.S. weapons against civilians. And as Richard Falk, UN Special Rapporteur on Palestinian Human Rights has argued, civilians in Gaza are denied the fundamental right to flee the conflict and become refugees. They end up like sitting ducks crowded into one of the most densely populated regions on earth, or as some critics described Gaza, the largest open-air prison in the world.


As the crisis in Gaza unfolded, Abraham Lincoln’s looming presence was unavoidable, especially as Daniel Day-Lewis’s bearded, contemplative profile dominates billboards everywhere, and President Obama continues to fashion himself in the mold of the Great Emancipator—an intelligent and fair-minded executive who believes in the rule of law, willing to reach across the aisle, and committed to a “smart” realpolitik guided by a moral compass.


The point of invoking Lincoln is not to guess what he might do in Obama’s shoes, but to reflect on what he did when forced to balance political calculus, the rule of law, and moral and humanitarian considerations. Lincoln was our first anti-slavery president, but at the onset of the war he thought complete abolition was unimaginable and a multiracial America based on full citizenship rights for all was unthinkable. He first hoped to contain slavery in the South, backed targeted emancipation as a military strategy to win the war, and supported deporting free black people to Africa or South America—a “humane” strategy of ethnic cleansing. Then unexpected things began to happen. The “property” over which Southerners waged war began to flee to Union lines, emancipating themselves, undermining the Confederacy, and forcing the nation—the president included—to reckon with their humanity. The gross stereotypes of black indolence, ignorance, and violence did not disappear, but they were dealt a mighty blow, especially after 186,000 black men joined the Union Army and 40,000 gave their lives for a “new birth of freedom.”


Midway into the war, Lincoln proposed gradual, compensated emancipation (though it was the slaveholders, not the enslaved, who were to be compensated) and continued to support deportation schemes, but black abolitionists such as Frederick Douglass persuaded him that one multiracial democracy is not only possible, but the only viable path forward. By the war’s end (and by the time Spielberg’s hero enters the frame) black struggles for freedom, the exigencies of war, and a burgeoning, militant abolitionist movement had transformed A. Lincoln. Indeed, abolitionism had grown from a radical fringe movement in the 1840s and ‘50s to a legitimate, powerful force during the war. This gale force gave Lincoln strength to stand up to pro-slavery Democrats, even as he sought compromise and reconciliation. In his second inaugural, he acknowledged that the men and women once thought of as chattel were on the road to citizenship, and that the men who had taken up arms against the nation were to be welcomed back with dignity and respect.


President Obama has the same capacity for growth as our 16th president, and he has shown some mettle in the past, particularly when pressured by movements. In 2010, he supported easing the blockade following the international condemnation of the IDF’s attack on the Mavi Marmara (part of the Free Gaza flotilla), and his short-lived stand against the expansion of West Bank settlements earned him the ire of Israeli officials—forcing him to retreat. Arguably, the Islamophobic attacks on President Obama accusing him of being a closeted Muslim harboring plans to impose Shari’ah law has compelled him to work harder to demonstrate his support for Israel and fealty to the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).


Then again, Lincoln had to fend off accusations of “favoring Negro equality” and being part Negro, often arguing—as he had in his famous debates with Stephen Douglass—that blacks were morally and intellectually inferior and ought not be granted social and political equality. I do believe both men were sincere—Obama in his unwavering support for Israel, and Lincoln’s initial belief in black inferiority. However, on the question of slavery, Lincoln revealed a level of consistent moral courage that Obama has not shown in his advocacy of human rights. In those same debates with Stephen Douglass, he declared, “I hate [slavery] because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world—enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites—causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty—criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest.” President Obama, on the other hand, has been accused of hypocrisy by speaking out against the Assad regime’s murderous attacks on the Syrian opposition, and acting on behalf of Libyans struggling against Muammar Gadaffi, but doing nothing on behalf of Palestinian human rights.


And yet, I am hopeful that President Obama may have his Lincolnesque moment, when the inexorable force of history will push him beyond political expediency into the realm of moral courage. Only then will he be able to imagine a truly democratic, just solution to the question of Palestine. For Lincoln, that inexorable force was the movement—the abolitionists and their allies demanding freedom, the ex-slaves demanding justice, the changing course of world opinion. Absent a powerful movement to end the occupation, for broad-based support for Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions, to counter the media whitewash of Israel’s war crimes and human rights violations, it is unlikely Obama will make that Lincolnesque leap. Like Lincoln, Obama requires more than political pressure. He needs to come face to face with Palestinian activists, critics, and intellectuals; he needs to visit a West Bank refugee camp or walk the streets of Gaza City and talk to the children. By opening up to other perspectives and discovering what is already happening on the ground, Obama will discover what Lincoln recognized: emancipation had already begun without him, in the development of a rich civil society forged in a bloody war. Palestinians do not need a US- imposed peace process. What they do need is a US willing to stand up to Israel and enforce international law, defend human rights for all, and recognize that the status quo is unsustainable and the source of violence and instability in the region. And that takes enormous courage.


I wonder if things would be different if Sasha was obsessed with photos of Palestinian children, or if Malia begged her mom and dad to spend the summer working in a refugee camp in the West Bank. But that’s just a Hollywood fantasy.

ricardisimo
11-30-2012, 07:11 AM
I'll just say it now: Obama will have no such "Lincolnesque moment". Today's politicians are beyond self-doubt or reassessment. Obama is who he always will be. Gaza is doomed.