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MDSteel15
11-23-2012, 01:48 PM
If we don't draft safety Eric Reid of LSU in the 1st round, there are a couple of guys that look good and could come a bit cheaper than some high priced safeties out there:

Seahawks S Kam Chancellor: Chancellor might be the best shutdown safety in the game, one of the hardest-hitting players in the league.

Bills S Jairus Byrd: Buffalo invested a ton of money in its defense, but it didn't take care of its biggest defensive playmaker. After a rookie season littered with fortunate passes thrown directly his way, Byrd's interception totals have normalized. Whereas the interceptions are no longer coming in bunches, Byrd has improved his game in other areas to become one of the league's better safeties. With great range and anticipatory skills in center field, Byrd is reliable free safety capable of forcing quarterbacks to hold the ball and double check his position on the field before throwing the deep ball. In a pass-heavy league, one of the best young safeties in the game should be high on the Bills' priority list this season.

Quarterback is REALLY thin! Especially for backups.

Colts QB Drew Stanton: In limited playing time, Stanton displayed leadership and enough playmaking skills to warrant serious looks as a back-up. With mobility and the arm talent to make NFL-level throws, he can lead an offense to points. There is definite interest in Stanton around the league after initially signing with the Jets and being traded to the Colts only after their move for Tim Tebow.

cbrunn
11-24-2012, 12:32 PM
Jarius Byrd would be a STEAL ... but there is no way Buffalo lets him walk, unless he wants out

Chancellor no way Seahawks let him go

these are 2 of the best safeties in the game and young no way there teams would let them go

Backup QB is a need as I don't think this QB class is good enough to get a decent backup in the 6 or 7th ...and D needs to much work to spend a higher round pick on a QB

anyway I'm not sure about if he'll be available or not but I really like Chad Henne as a backup...

tarasovic2
11-25-2012, 05:41 PM
A better backup QB for sure -- whomever that might be. Henne would certainly fit the bill.

MDSteel15
11-26-2012, 12:36 PM
Jarius Byrd would be a STEAL ... but there is no way Buffalo lets him walk, unless he wants out

Chancellor no way Seahawks let him go

these are 2 of the best safeties in the game and young no way there teams would let them go

Backup QB is a need as I don't think this QB class is good enough to get a decent backup in the 6 or 7th ...and D needs to much work to spend a higher round pick on a QB

anyway I'm not sure about if he'll be available or not but I really like Chad Henne as a backup...


We need safeties and backup D-lineman! We can afford a mid-round QB if it's the right one!

67 calsteel
12-04-2012, 06:47 PM
What about Louis Delmas from detroit?

teegre
12-05-2012, 11:13 AM
I truly think that they get a safety (or two) in the draft. This is going to be the "draft of the safety" (much like 1983 & 2012 were the "drafts of the QB").


Eric Reid
Robert Lester
TJ McDonald
Matt Elam
Tony Jeffseron
Bacarri Rambo
Kenny Vaccaro
Tyrann Mathieu... uh...

SteelersCanada
12-05-2012, 12:35 PM
I think if they address Safety in round 2 by grabbing a guy like Jefferson or Lester, our problems are solved in the short term. But, this means drafting another safety high up in the 2014 draft, too. One draft isn't going to fix our situation with Clark and Polamalu. If we're serious about drafting their "replacements" (using that word kind of fast and loose here) our draft has to look something like this:

RD 2 - TJ Jefferson
RD 3 - Baccari Rambo / Robert Lester

teegre
12-05-2012, 11:43 PM
I think if they address Safety in round 2 by grabbing a guy like Jefferson or Lester, our problems are solved in the short term. But, this means drafting another safety high up in the 2014 draft, too. One draft isn't going to fix our situation with Clark and Polamalu. If we're serious about drafting their "replacements" (using that word kind of fast and loose here) our draft has to look something like this:

RD 2 - TJ Jefferson
RD 3 - Baccari Rambo / Robert Lester

I hear you, and wouldn't mind that... but, I see this:

R1 - NT
Casey is getting older (& fatter). McClendon seems decent. And, Ta'amu... well... who knows what will happen with Ta'amu. (John Jenkins seems like a possibility... or, if he is gone by 32, Jesse Williams).

R2 - S
Some safety (my hope would be Elam).

Those two rounds are pretty solid in my mind. Then, in R3 & R4, it gets a little tricky.

R3 - ILB or OLB
Depth, youth, competition. Harrison is aging fast; Woodley can't stay healthy; Worilds seems decent... and that's it. Timmons is a rock, Spence showed promise, and Foote is old. I see both positions being strengthened. (Shayne Skov would be my choice.)

R4 - OLB or ILB
See round 3. (Nico Johnson)

A SECOND SAFETY in R3 or R4
I see your point, but I think that they will go with Troy for at least one more season, and thus, Yes, safety would need to be addressed again in the 2014 draft. Then again, either of the LB positions "could" be used on a second safety. Make sense?

SteelersCanada
12-06-2012, 11:13 AM
I hear you, and wouldn't mind that... but, I see this:

R1 - NT
Casey is getting older (& fatter). McClendon seems decent. And, Ta'amu... well... who knows what will happen with Ta'amu. (John Jenkins seems like a possibility... or, if he is gone by 32, Jesse Williams).

R2 - S
Some safety (my hope would be Elam).

A SECOND SAFETY in R3 or R4
I see your point, but I think that they will go with Troy for at least one more season, and thus, Yes, safety would need to be addressed again in the 2014 draft. Then again, either of the LB positions "could" be used on a second safety. Make sense?

I would bet my life on the fact the Steelers don't go NT in the first round. I'd also be willing to bet very large sums of money they don't go NT at all. Why? They wouldn't have kept around Ta'amu if they felt they could just replace him in the next draft - they think they have something with him. You also mentioned McClendon - and if he's able to play with any consistency from the flashes of brilliance he's shown, we'll be good at NT for a long, long time.

I love Matt Elam in the second round. That being said, he's a top 40 pick and we'd have to trade up to grab him. He plays a lot like Polamalu and I think other teams are seeing this fact, sadly.

While I disagree that we should keep Troy around, I think you're absolutely right in the fact that they keep him. However, even if they do, I'm not sold - and neither is Pittsburgh - on Will Allen being anything more than a spot-starter. We absolutely need to address Safety in the first two rounds - preferably the second. Grabbing an OLB in the first with all the talent in this draft to replace a guy like Harrison just makes sense at this point.

In this mock, we're picking at 21 based on Power Rankings. I know, Power Rankings mean absolute dick - I'd have us going at 32 which completely changes the dynamic of the draft. Anyway, here we go.

RD 1 - Dion Jordan / DE (ROLB for us) - Oregon

RD 2 - TJ McDonald / FS - USC

RD 3 - Robert Lester / SS - 'Bama

RD 4 - Nico Johnson / ILB - 'Bama

... and I haven't decided on the later rounds yet. Grabbing an OLB to me in the first round has to be priority. Worilds hasn't shown he can do anything as the weak side linebacker and we need to address it before it becomes a glaring hole. Woodley has had to fight through double - sometimes triple - teams this year and grabbing Jordan would ensure Woodley gets to the quarterback.

Other than our differing opinions on the first round, I think we're mostly together on what we need to address. I really like the Nico Johnson pick, too in the fourth round. If we end up with this kind of draft - look out. All of these kids could start week 1 next year, and we'd have one of the youngest defenses in the NFL from one draft.

cbrunn
12-06-2012, 03:35 PM
I would bet my life on the fact the Steelers don't go NT in the first round. I'd also be willing to bet very large sums of money they don't go NT at all. Why? They wouldn't have kept around Ta'amu if they felt they could just replace him in the next draft - they think they have something with him. You also mentioned McClendon - and if he's able to play with any consistency from the flashes of brilliance he's shown, we'll be good at NT for a long, long time.

I love Matt Elam in the second round. That being said, he's a top 40 pick and we'd have to trade up to grab him. He plays a lot like Polamalu and I think other teams are seeing this fact, sadly.

While I disagree that we should keep Troy around, I think you're absolutely right in the fact that they keep him. However, even if they do, I'm not sold - and neither is Pittsburgh - on Will Allen being anything more than a spot-starter. We absolutely need to address Safety in the first two rounds - preferably the second. Grabbing an OLB in the first with all the talent in this draft to replace a guy like Harrison just makes sense at this point.

In this mock, we're picking at 21 based on Power Rankings. I know, Power Rankings mean absolute dick - I'd have us going at 32 which completely changes the dynamic of the draft. Anyway, here we go.

RD 1 - Dion Jordan / DE (ROLB for us) - Oregon

RD 2 - TJ McDonald / FS - USC

RD 3 - Robert Lester / SS - 'Bama

RD 4 - Nico Johnson / ILB - 'Bama

... and I haven't decided on the later rounds yet. Grabbing an OLB to me in the first round has to be priority. Worilds hasn't shown he can do anything as the weak side linebacker and we need to address it before it becomes a glaring hole. Woodley has had to fight through double - sometimes triple - teams this year and grabbing Jordan would ensure Woodley gets to the quarterback.

Other than our differing opinions on the first round, I think we're mostly together on what we need to address. I really like the Nico Johnson pick, too in the fourth round. If we end up with this kind of draft - look out. All of these kids could start week 1 next year, and we'd have one of the youngest defenses in the NFL from one draft.

I just don't see us taking Dion Jordan ... and please no TJ Mcdonald ... I could see them taking Anthony Barr OLB -UCLA or Brandon Jenkins OLB- FSU in the 2nd...

right now I could see it gone ...

Matt Elam - FS - Flordia/ Eric Reid - FS - LSU
Anthony Barr - OLB- UCLA / Brandon Jenkins - OLB - FSU
Phillip Thomas - SS - Fresno State / Duke Williams - SS - Nevada
Kevin Reddick , ILB, North Carolina / Omoregie Uzzi - OG - Georgia Tech

by the way I would put Rambo at 3rd but I just don't think he's there

SteelersCanada
12-06-2012, 04:46 PM
I just don't see us taking Dion Jordan ... and please no TJ Mcdonald ... I could see them taking Anthony Barr OLB -UCLA or Brandon Jenkins OLB- FSU in the 2nd...

If you're saying they won't take Jordan because of his height and Barr better fits their scheme - you're off. Again, Jordan has the speed and agility which is something Harrison is lacking. There's a reason why those guys aren't first round picks and Jordan is.

What's your issue with McDonald?

cbrunn
12-06-2012, 07:48 PM
If you're saying they won't take Jordan because of his height and Barr better fits their scheme - you're off. Again, Jordan has the speed and agility which is something Harrison is lacking. There's a reason why those guys aren't first round picks and Jordan is.

What's your issue with McDonald?

I like Brandon Jenkins better then Barr but Barr has had the season this year... and Jordan is a first round pick for a 4-3 End ... JPP style ... not to sure about a 3-4 team, you seem to be sold though, i'll admit I haven't watched much of him to know how he does standing up

I also like Sean Porter from Texas A&M
and Jamie Collins from Southern Missouri ... both can probably be had in the 3rd and maybe Jenkins also

So I wouldn't be mad with safety 1st and 2nd... if say Reid and Elam / Rambo fell to where we could grab both

And McDonald is Taylor Mayes 2.0 ,,, big and fast but nothing else ... I just don't see instincts or knowledge with him, and at safety that's the most important thing... see Ryan Clark

Now I haven't watched any USC games... but I've watched clips of him on Youtube and not real impressed

SteelersCanada
12-06-2012, 08:18 PM
Jordan is a first round pick for a 4-3 End ... JPP style ... not to sure about a 3-4 team, you seem to be sold though, i'll admit I haven't watched much of him to know how he does standing up

And McDonald is Taylor Mayes 2.0 ,,, big and fast but nothing else ... I just don't see instincts or knowledge with him, and at safety that's the most important thing... see Ryan Clark

Now I haven't watched any USC games... but I've watched clips of him on Youtube and not real impressed

Jordan isn't big enough to play DE in the NFL. He's 240 pounds and very lean. I can't see him putting on enough muscle to play DE. He does share very similar qualities to JPP in terms of speed and athleticism. However, he's more comparable to Aldon Smith in terms of his production, strength and potential. He'll be an OLB in a 3-4 defense where he fits best and I think the Steelers can get him if rushers fall again this year which I think is very likely. If the Power Rankings told true and the Steelers are picking at 21 (which I very much doubt) Jordan will be sitting on the board for them.

I haven't really watched a lot of USC games either, but I did watch the UCLA - USC game and I'll tell you that McDonald was the only thing that stood out to me on their defense. He showed great instincts and ball ability and forced UCLA to throw away from him and at their weak corners. I mean, he's raw - you're right - but I see something in him that actually does remind me a lot of Clark. I think he's worth the pick in the second / third round.

teegre
12-08-2012, 12:52 AM
I would bet my life on the fact the Steelers don't go NT in the first round. I'd also be willing to bet very large sums of money they don't go NT at all. Why? They wouldn't have kept around Ta'amu if they felt they could just replace him in the next draft - they think they have something with him. You also mentioned McClendon - and if he's able to play with any consistency from the flashes of brilliance he's shown, we'll be good at NT for a long, long time.

I love Matt Elam in the second round. That being said, he's a top 40 pick and we'd have to trade up to grab him. He plays a lot like Polamalu and I think other teams are seeing this fact, sadly.

While I disagree that we should keep Troy around, I think you're absolutely right in the fact that they keep him. However, even if they do, I'm not sold - and neither is Pittsburgh - on Will Allen being anything more than a spot-starter. We absolutely need to address Safety in the first two rounds - preferably the second. Grabbing an OLB in the first with all the talent in this draft to replace a guy like Harrison just makes sense at this point.

In this mock, we're picking at 21 based on Power Rankings. I know, Power Rankings mean absolute dick - I'd have us going at 32 which completely changes the dynamic of the draft. Anyway, here we go.

RD 1 - Dion Jordan / DE (ROLB for us) - Oregon

RD 2 - TJ McDonald / FS - USC

RD 3 - Robert Lester / SS - 'Bama

RD 4 - Nico Johnson / ILB - 'Bama

... and I haven't decided on the later rounds yet. Grabbing an OLB to me in the first round has to be priority. Worilds hasn't shown he can do anything as the weak side linebacker and we need to address it before it becomes a glaring hole. Woodley has had to fight through double - sometimes triple - teams this year and grabbing Jordan would ensure Woodley gets to the quarterback.

Other than our differing opinions on the first round, I think we're mostly together on what we need to address. I really like the Nico Johnson pick, too in the fourth round. If we end up with this kind of draft - look out. All of these kids could start week 1 next year, and we'd have one of the youngest defenses in the NFL from one draft.

I thought that they had waived Ta'amu last week... They kept him, even after the suspension, and then, I thought that they cut him.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-release-taamu-sign-wr-from-practice-squad-661764/

Assuming it's not a NT (we can debate that later), I like Elam. I really like Elam. I had hoped that he would slip to the end of R2, but daggnabbit, he had to go & have a great season. LOL

Wiil Dion Jordan be there at 32?

If not, I am leaning towards Elam at 32.

SteelersCanada
12-08-2012, 02:51 PM
I thought that they had waived Ta'amu last week... They kept him, even after the suspension, and then, I thought that they cut him.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-release-taamu-sign-wr-from-practice-squad-661764/

Assuming it's not a NT (we can debate that later), I like Elam. I really like Elam. I had hoped that he would slip to the end of R2, but daggnabbit, he had to go & have a great season. LOL

Wiil Dion Jordan be there at 32?

If not, I am leaning towards Elam at 32.

He was resigned to the practice squad after that, though.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-re-sign-taamu-to-practice-squad-662022/

Anyway, I do like Elam. I think he's definitely worth a first round pick, and assuming we're picking at 32, we can't miss with him. I was hoping he'd have a terrible year too and he'd just be sitting there in the second round waiting for us to pick him, but nooooo - he had to go off and play well and catch everyone's eye.

Dion won't be there at 32. He's probably a top 15 pick based on his potential and upside, but pass rushers slid last year and I think they will this year. If we are picking at 21, I think we can have a choice of who to take in terms of OLB. Montgomery, Mosley, Ogletree and Jordan will be on the board. I mean, any of those guys would be worth that pick which is why I wasn't jumping off any buildings when we struggled early in the year.

If we're at 32, it's gotta be Elam, barring something really unexpected happens. If they're not happy with Elam, trade up and get Mosley / Montgomery / Jordan and solidify our OLB for the next decade with Woodley and whomever on the other side.

teegre
12-08-2012, 08:19 PM
He was resigned to the practice squad after that, though.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-re-sign-taamu-to-practice-squad-662022/

Anyway, I do like Elam. I think he's definitely worth a first round pick, and assuming we're picking at 32, we can't miss with him. I was hoping he'd have a terrible year too and he'd just be sitting there in the second round waiting for us to pick him, but nooooo - he had to go off and play well and catch everyone's eye.

Dion won't be there at 32. He's probably a top 15 pick based on his potential and upside, but pass rushers slid last year and I think they will this year. If we are picking at 21, I think we can have a choice of who to take in terms of OLB. Montgomery, Mosley, Ogletree and Jordan will be on the board. I mean, any of those guys would be worth that pick which is why I wasn't jumping off any buildings when we struggled early in the year.

If we're at 32, it's gotta be Elam, barring something really unexpected happens. If they're not happy with Elam, trade up and get Mosley / Montgomery / Jordan and solidify our OLB for the next decade with Woodley and whomever on the other side.

TA'AMU: That's great news, because I really liked that guy. I remember sitting in a sports bar with my brother-in-law, and he was (& still is) saying that Casey the Hutt is still awesome... and I pointed to the screen, where Ta'amu was blowing up a run play, 5 yards deep in the backfield, and I said, "I want him."

Then, he got injured. Then he dropped in the draft. And, the Steelers got a steal in R4. [Brian Baldinger, on NFL Network, called him the steal if the draft.]

Anyway, it makes me happy that they brought him back.

ELAM: How selfish of him to have a great season, & rise in the draft. Next time, Mr. Elam, why don't you think about someone else besides yourself... (namely: me).

All joking aside, if NT is solid (which it should be with McClendon and/or Ta'amu), then I'm leaning towards "reaching" (if one can really call it that) for Elam at 32.

OLB: I agree that a pass rush is needed. I long for the days of Greg Lloyd, Joey Porter, and James Harrison (circa 2008). Mosley, Jordan, or Ogletree would be great additions... but, I don't want to trade up too far. Maybe from 32 to 25, for a R4 pick... eh... hmmm... let me think about that one.. [I think Montgomery goes way higher/too high to realistically draft up for.]

SteelersCanada
12-08-2012, 09:54 PM
TA'AMU: That's great news, because I really liked that guy. I remember sitting in a sports bar with my brother-in-law, and he was (& still is) saying that Casey the Hutt is still awesome... and I pointed to the screen, where Ta'amu was blowing up a run play, 5 yards deep in the backfield, and I said, "I want him."

Then, he got injured. Then he dropped in the draft. And, the Steelers got a steal in R4. [Brian Baldinger, on NFL Network, called him the steal if the draft.]

Anyway, it makes me happy that they brought him back.

ELAM: How selfish of him to have a great season, & rise in the draft. Next time, Mr. Elam, why don't you think about someone else besides yourself... (namely: me).

All joking aside, if NT is solid (which it should be with McClendon and/or Ta'amu), then I'm leaning towards "reaching" (if one can really call it that) for Elam at 32.

OLB: I agree that a pass rush is needed. I long for the days of Greg Lloyd, Joey Porter, and James Harrison (circa 2008). Mosley, Jordan, or Ogletree would be great additions... but, I don't want to trade up too far. Maybe from 32 to 25, for a R4 pick... eh... hmmm... let me think about that one.. [I think Montgomery goes way higher/too high to realistically draft up for.]

There's going to be a change in philosophy when it comes to the defensive line. When we have guys like Ta'amu and McClendon that are capable of blowing up an offensive line like these two are - wow. Our philosophy should be less "eat blockers" and more "get in the backfield. now." and these guys are the real deal. He disappointed in the preseason, but another offseason for Alameda will be great. Under the veteran leadership of our guys and his dedication to improve, he'll be our guy soon.

Elam at 32 would be terrific, despite his selfish qualities. :chuckle:

Montgomery has been plummeting down the boards since early in the season. He won't be there at 32 - not even close, but I would be very confident in saying he'd be there at 21. His criticism (often unwarranted and completely misplaced) has caused him to drop. If he's there at 21, he's the only guy I take over Jordan at that point.

Montgomery / Jordan (ROLB) - Johnson / Timmons (ILB) - Woodley (LOLB)

... Those guys get me as excited as Lloyd, Joey and James did.