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3rdandlong
11-25-2012, 03:04 PM
For the amount of playing time Rainey has had he fumbles way too often. He fumbled twice today. He fumbled against the Giants. All this for a man who is in less than 10% of the offensive snaps. If he can't correct his fumbling problem, then he can't play. Its a shame cause he has a lot of talent.

ZoneBlitzer
11-25-2012, 03:15 PM
Loved his TD run today, but honestly he looks way too small to be playing in the NFL.

casteeler
11-25-2012, 03:16 PM
No, neither can Batch

Darkstorm05
11-25-2012, 03:29 PM
We forced Rainey to try and be the main guy today, and the result was predictable, IMO. He's great when used properly, but he's way too small to take big hits.

Fire Haley
11-25-2012, 03:30 PM
All these fucking backs fumbled and you pick on Rainey? At least he scored a TD, something these fumbling fatbacks can't say.

Mendy is finished, he'll never play again for the Steelers.

Atlanta Dan
11-25-2012, 03:32 PM
Mendy is finished, he'll never play again for the Steelers.

Agreed - IMO that second fumble was it for him - he will not be back next season and may not see the ball again this year

FrancoLambert
11-25-2012, 03:35 PM
Agreed - IMO that second fumble was it for him - he will not be back next season and may not see the ball again this year

Me too.
I've always supported him on this board....no more....he needs to go.

Jahodac
11-25-2012, 03:37 PM
Only the second fumble is being counted but you have a good point. I think he has a ways to go but he could be a very good player with some experience. He also needs to gain a few pounds. Sproles is also small but he is very good.

All of our running backs sucked today but he was the best one and even got our only offensive touchdown.

Edit: Mendenhall is not going to be dropped in favor of Dwyer or Redman. Not that Mendenhall is starter material but he's a lot closer than either of the other three backs.

stb_steeler
11-25-2012, 03:44 PM
They still put mendy in after the 2 fumbles....Tomlin wont cut him.

Darkstorm05
11-25-2012, 03:45 PM
All these fucking backs fumbled and you pick on Rainey? At least he scored a TD, something these fumbling fatbacks can't say.

Mendy is finished, he'll never play again for the Steelers.

Nobodys picking on him. He's just too small to take too many carries. If we were picking, we'd point out that he fumbled twice, including the deal sealer at the end.

Jpeezyiseternal
11-25-2012, 03:47 PM
people make mistakes

even professionals

he's a brand new rookie making mistakes that even hall of famers made

Steel Peon
11-25-2012, 03:54 PM
Why Rainey is in our game plan, or on the team for that matter, is unexplainable to me. He's too small, and too weak for his position, and he'll continue to be molested as long as he is on our roster.

cubanstogie
11-25-2012, 04:14 PM
There has got to be a hungry RB out there without a job. Hightower comes to mind. I now I am desperate but desperate times. When Dwyer went down on his own I realized his conditioning or lack of is because he is mentally week. He is not a Steelers RB. All Bettis comparisons should be erased and never be used again. Pathetic. Rainey is a return man and 3rd down back. A poor mans Reggie Bush.

TRH
11-25-2012, 04:23 PM
Loved his TD run today, but honestly he looks way too small to be playing in the NFL.



I agree.
Some won't want to accept the truth here - but the fact is - he's too small to play as a back. Period. When he got tackled and pretty near threw up into the air today he looked like a 12-year old boy.
I wouldn't write him off completely though.
He could be a great kick-off and punt returner. That may work out (barring he doesn't get injured....again). But a back? NO way.

harrison'samonster
11-25-2012, 04:28 PM
There has got to be a hungry RB out there without a job. Hightower comes to mind. I now I am desperate but desperate times. When Dwyer went down on his own I realized his conditioning or lack of is because he is mentally week. He is not a Steelers RB. All Bettis comparisons should be erased and never be used again. Pathetic. Rainey is a return man and 3rd down back. A poor mans Reggie Bush.

At this point i've got to agree completely. Bettis hit harder and harder as the game went on. He lived for punishing defensive players.

VA_steeelrs
11-25-2012, 04:35 PM
For the amount of playing time Rainey has had he fumbles way too often. He fumbled twice today. He fumbled against the Giants. All this for a man who is in less than 10% of the offensive snaps. If he can't correct his fumbling problem, then he can't play. Its a shame cause he has a lot of talent.

in a day all backs funble, WRs drop, and QB throw interceptions, Rainey at least socred a TD. don't bark at this wrong tree.

jiminpa
11-25-2012, 05:19 PM
When every back on the roster fumbles, and some twice in one game there is something bigger going on. Either a defense that is exceptional at forcing fumbles, and two fumbles were forced, or a system breakdown at the team level, or both. I think it is some of both. I've never noticed Tomlin address any glaring issues with this team. He inherited Lebeau, and was forced to upgrade the OC. Special teams have been a glaring problem his whole tenure, and only the defense ever shows any grasp of the fundamentals.

FrancoLambert
11-25-2012, 05:35 PM
I agree.
Some won't want to accept the truth here - but the fact is - he's too small to play as a back. Period. When he got tackled and pretty near threw up into the air today he looked like a 12-year old boy.
I wouldn't write him off completely though.
He could be a great kick-off and punt returner. That may work out (barring he doesn't get injured....again). But a back? NO way.

All of the above.
I hoped by now to see more plays designed to isolate him 1 on 1 with a LB in space.
It seems like more inside and off tackle runs have been called for him which is surprising given his stature and skill set.

defence
11-25-2012, 08:23 PM
Guys. He's not a feature back. He's a 3rd down back with special speed. And he's a rookie. All those little shit dump passes were setting him up to get killed as the browns sat back and waited. Honestly; I don't think we can really assess our rb's after today. We have no qb and Haley was ridiculous with his play calling. The Browns new they would run on the first 2 downs and then tee up. a bad day for all of our backs. Should we look to improve that position?? Absolutely!! But to question Rainey. Not fair under todays circumstances.

tanda10506
11-25-2012, 08:30 PM
Plenty of people have been to small to play their position, Ray Lewis is the first that comes to mind. Rainey has played well up until today and he still scored a TD. The problem is we were in an AFC North game vs a large (and good) running defense, and he didn't hold up. Anybody who ever expected Rainey to "pound the rock" like they attempted to today shouldn't be disappointed in Rainey, they should be disappointed in themselves. Rainey is a scat/3rd down type back who can be used as a WR and can/will dominate on ST. Some teams are lucky enough to have players like that, like the Saints have with Sprolles, we're lucky to have picked one up in the 5th round.

If he is misused like today then no he can not play in the NFL, his body won't hold up long and his fumble tally will be extremely high, but if used properly he will end up being a large part of this offense.

As for Mendy being gone, yes he will be, he has shown zero reason for us to give him a contract. IMO Dwyer is our only true RB right now and should be allowed to "get in a rhythm" instead of being benched for Redman and Mendenhall. I think there are a few young under achievers that won't be getting any big contracts in Pittsburgh next off season, luckily there are some over achievers too.

AndyWitmyer
11-25-2012, 08:38 PM
We literally fumbled that game away - watching all of our backs fumble in the same game was a disgrace and a total embarrassment. I don't know who's conditioning our running backs, but whoever it is - he's not doing a very good job. Still, it comes down to player execution. Batch played as well as could with one week of training (for some reason, Tomlin is one of the few coaches who doesn't involve his backup QBs during weekly regular season practices - not even for a few reps - with Leftwich and now Batch, you can see the result of that.)

I was sadly nervous when we were up by 7 within the first minute of play - it seems like anytime we score and lead early these days, we end up falling apart not long after.

And as others pointed out, Rainey is hardly to blame - he at least put points on the board. All of the backs screwed the pooch. Batch played well in fits, but given his age and how rusty he was coming in, the offensive line and the backs needed to step it up a notch or three..not play like a second string high school football squad.

AndyWitmyer
11-25-2012, 08:42 PM
And even though Dwyer fumbled today - the fact that everyone else did sort of nullifies the argument that he somehow sucks more than anyone else. At this point, I'd take Dwyer any day of the week over Mendy. And as for Redman and, again, Rainy - they could be assets to this team - if they were, I dunno, played correctly and more strategically - you know, in ways that play to their strengths.

I feel like sometimes the Steelers this year are just playing it by ear (with all the injuries, maybe they are) - but that doesn't mean you just throw people in certain positions of play just to "see what happens". Well, we've seen the results. With or without Ben, there was no reason why we should have lost this game. And yet...here we are.

Terminator
11-25-2012, 09:19 PM
I don't blame Rainey as much for his fumble. He took a BIG hit and got injured on that play. The fact that he is so small doesn't help with those hits either.

His touchdown though was a beauty.

AndyWitmyer
11-25-2012, 09:24 PM
His touchdown though was a beauty.

That was actually one of the most impressive rushing TDs I've seen in some time. He might be small - but with that play, I saw a hell of a lot of promise and potential. We just need to learn how to use the players we have more effectively.

Terminator
11-25-2012, 09:26 PM
That was actually one of the most impressive rushing TDs I've seen in some time. He might be small - but with that play, I saw a hell of a lot of promise and potential. We just need to learn how to use the players we have more effectively.

He needs to put on some weight. If he can get bigger while maintaining his level of speed, he would be something.

bornaSteelersfan
11-26-2012, 06:00 AM
I agree that Rainey could be effective if used properly. As I have stated in another post, he looks like a "puny human" on a field filled with Hulks. He probably will be out for a while after that last hit. I think he may have a very bad injury. Look for The Steelers to put him on IR this week and bring up some other player from the practice squad (possibly Baron Batch or some other Offensive Lineman)

Terminator
11-26-2012, 06:39 AM
I agree that Rainey could be effective if used properly. As I have stated in another post, he looks like a "puny human" on a field filled with Hulks. He probably will be out for a while after that last hit. I think he may have a very bad injury. Look for The Steelers to put him on IR this week and bring up some other player from the practice squad (possibly Baron Batch or some other Offensive Lineman)

Have they stated what injury he suffered exactly? My first thought was a deep thigh bruise, which I have had and I know how bad it hurts. Hoping he didn't break his freaking leg.

steeltheone
11-26-2012, 06:50 AM
He has already proved he can't take the beating you get in the NFL....

Fire Haley
11-26-2012, 07:00 AM
I predict we'll see a whole new starting backfield next year.

Mendy UFA - GONE!

Redman and Dwyer are both RFA's next year - GONE!

Rainey will be the only one coming back. Write it down.

steeltheone
11-26-2012, 07:15 AM
I predict we'll see a whole new starting backfield next year.

Mendy UFA - GONE!

Redman and Dwyer are both RFA's next year - GONE!

Rainey will be the only one coming back. Write it down.just how many 20 carry games do you think Rainey would make before injured? Maybe not even 20 carries total .

Fire Haley
11-26-2012, 07:17 AM
I didn't mean he'll be the starting RB, I said he'll be on the team.

defence
11-26-2012, 07:28 AM
I predict we'll see a whole new starting backfield next year.

Mendy UFA - GONE!

Redman and Dwyer are both RFA's next year - GONE!

Rainey will be the only one coming back. Write it down.

I agree. But I would keep Redman as a backup. The other 2; ship them out asap!!

nj1923steelgirl
11-26-2012, 07:38 AM
I agree he will BE on the team......

TRH
11-26-2012, 08:33 AM
Rainey will never make it as a back in this league. You think yesterday was bad when he got hit? Wait until next time when someone really lays a hit on him. They'll completely break him in half.
Kickoff and punt returns only.

steeltheone
11-26-2012, 08:51 AM
Rainey will never make it as a back in this league. You think yesterday was bad when he got hit? Wait until next time when someone really lays a hit on him. They'll completely break him in half.
Kickoff and punt returns only.

I have to agree...Their are probably thousands of small speedy college players that would be NFL players if not for their size. I

3rdandlong
11-26-2012, 02:03 PM
Rainey will never make it as a back in this league. You think yesterday was bad when he got hit? Wait until next time when someone really lays a hit on him. They'll completely break him in half.
Kickoff and punt returns only.

I don't know if he can even take punts and kick offs. He seems too brittle. Plus, he looks to be a liability when it comes to turning the ball over.

Fire Arians
11-26-2012, 02:10 PM
i think it's more technique, the guy runs too high and tries to make things happen everytime he has the ball, he doesn't do a good job protecting himself. as a small player in the NFL, he needs to develop that skill or his tenure will be extremely short.

feed him some HGH and put about 10 lbs on him will also help lol

Darkstorm05
11-26-2012, 02:11 PM
I don't know if he can even take punts and kick offs. He seems too brittle. Plus, he looks to be a liability when it comes to turning the ball over.

Anyone remember what happened to Stephan Logan? When he began establishing himself as a return threat with us, other teams simply started grabbing him and holding him in place while hammering at the ball until a ref got around to blowing the whistle. I expect the same will be done with Rainey eventually.

SteelBlaze1
11-26-2012, 02:22 PM
I think Stephan Logan returns kicks for Detroit.

torpedoshell31
11-26-2012, 02:23 PM
On Rainey's and Dwyer's fumbles they were at least spinning and trying to get extra yards. Mendenhall just simply gave up the ball without much of a fight both times and I'm not sure what happened on Redman's fumble, he didn't seem to be hit very hard on the play.

AndyWitmyer
11-26-2012, 02:27 PM
He has already proved he can't take the beating you get in the NFL....

He's young, a 5th round draft, and a rookie. There are plenty of veterans that get injured enough to miss entire games, or even seasons (Tom Brady, Payton Manning, Ben, Troy, Mendy, Brown, etc) and you're willing to boldly disavow him over a bad game and an injury? Hell, half our team is injured - it's become such a problem that fans here are now asking themselves if we have a serious player conditioning problem.

If you're going to call out Rainey on his injury as some kind of evidence that Rainey isn't ready for the big leagues, well...then I guess half of our team should probably pack up their bags and quit while the gettin's good. Ben should just stay home and spend time with his wife and child - I mean, he it's obvious that he's proven that he can't take the kind of "beating you get in the NFL". Give me a break (no pun intended)

AndyWitmyer
11-26-2012, 02:33 PM
And...one more thing... I alluded to this in another comment, but I'd like to add a little more to my thoughts on Mr. Rainey: He's getting a lot of shit (some perhaps deserved), but of the all the bumbling and fumbling running backs that are paid a lot of money to win, it was the "wimpy little rookie running back" (who's "obviously not-ready-for-the-NFL") who fought tooth and nail for a much needed TD. And I'm honestly not convinced our other backs would have scored had they been handed the same play. In an attempt to impose their will on the Brown's D, it seems as though Rainey was tasked with running straight up the middle and, you know, hope for the best.

This wasn't going to work - the Browns weren't budging - at all. Rainey probably should have been tackled far short of the goal...but he wasn't. Evidently sensing the doomed nature of the route he was given, Rainey basically said "Uh, yeah...screw this..." and instead of getting tackled, he seemingly retreated from the line - a move which must have confounded the Browns linemen (it certainly confounded me!). Rainey showed his potential when he capitalized on this confusion, and against all odds, there was a mad dash to the left...and the next thing I knew, we had a touchdown. He literally made something from what should have been absolutely squat: proof that the kid has definitely been blessed with, if nothing else, a natural ability to think very quickly on his feet.

Not bad for an undersized rookie. I say give him time to grow. Let's see what the kid is made of - where his strengths lie. Rainey appears to be very sharp, mentally...he's reasonably fast...and is capable of improvising: all attributes that could (if properly developed and used in the right context) make him a legitimate threat.

steelersfan77
11-26-2012, 04:03 PM
Rainey is a third down back/kick return specialist. Our so called battering rams couldn't get it done on early downs. At least rainey found a way to get the ball across the goal line. This teams first pick or free agent needs to be a top running back.

mikegrimey
11-26-2012, 04:07 PM
Rainey is a third down back/kick return specialist. Our so called battering rams couldn't get it done on early downs. At least rainey found a way to get the ball across the goal line. This teams first pick or free agent needs to be a top running back.

I think we need an upgrade at RB, but 1st round? Why? There's no end of dynamic RBs outside of the 1st round. Unless there's the next Adrian Peterson just hanging around waiting to get drafted...

TRH
11-26-2012, 04:38 PM
And...one more thing... I alluded to this in another comment, but I'd like to add a little more to my thoughts on Mr. Rainey: He's getting a lot of shit (some perhaps deserved), but of the all the bumbling and fumbling running backs that are paid a lot of money to win, it was the "wimpy little rookie running back" (who's "obviously not-ready-for-the-NFL") who fought tooth and nail for a much needed TD. And I'm honestly not convinced our other backs would have scored had they been handed the same play. In an attempt to impose their will on the Brown's D, it seems as though Rainey was tasked with running straight up the middle and, you know, hope for the best.

This wasn't going to work - the Bears weren't budging - at all. Rainey probably should have been tackled far short of the goal...but he wasn't. Evidently sensing the doomed nature of the route he was given, Rainey basically said "Uh, yeah...screw this..." and instead of getting tackled, he seemingly retreated from the line - a move which must have confounded the Bears linemen (it certainly confounded me!). Rainey showed his potential when he capitalized on this confusion, and against all odds, there was a mad dash to the left...and the next thing I knew, we had a touchdown. He literally made something from what should have been absolutely squat: proof that the kid has definitely been blessed with, if nothing else, a natural ability to think very quickly on his feet.

Not bad for an undersized rookie. I say give him time to grow. Let's see what the kid is made of - where his strengths lie. Rainey appears to be very sharp, mentally...he's reasonably fast...and is capable of improvising: all attributes that could (if properly developed and used in the right context) make him a legitimate threat.


i absolutely don't question his desire and attitude. It's phenomenal. But the question was - is he too small? And i think thats clear. Crystal clear. Yes, unfortunately. The guy's going to get broken in half.
I can only see him as a return man in this league. He could possibly make a career out of that.