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tony hipchest
11-26-2012, 01:53 AM
their assholes are puckered tighter than a snare drum. i think tomlin is using fear as motivation with this unit and it obviously isnt working.

they all seem to be out there running and fighting for their jobs and careers, rather than for their teammates and wins.

honestly, none of them seem to be the personality types to respond to that except for maybe redman and rainey.

either way, they are all pressing.


tomlins philosophy is smashmouth and to "run the wheels off" RB's. just ask fast willie parker, whos wheels came off as an small, overused RB w/o the benefit of a FB or top 10 OL talent as he tried to ride out his career in Pgh.

he strikes me as a hard ass. others think he is too friendly, but must not remember "camp tomlin".

mike wallace was one of the leagues budding superstars, but i cant remember any productive young player who had their ass ridden harder than his. meanwhile dez bryant is living in the lap of luxory in dallas.

tomlin obviously seems to favor veterans he feels he can trust.

TRH
11-26-2012, 09:44 AM
Mendenhall, in particular, appears to be in Tomlin's doghouse.

steelfury02
11-26-2012, 09:56 AM
Mendenhall, in particular, appears to be in Tomlin's doghouse.

after his 2nd fumble, as the announcer said, he knew to immediately go to the sideline, without even looking at Tomlin

We need another leader on offense outside of Ben - one that WANTS the ball, and WANTS to be the guy to help carry the team. We have one in AB, but we need someone with that fire at the RB position.

lardlad
11-26-2012, 10:09 AM
after his 2nd fumble, as the announcer said, he knew to immediately go to the sideline, without even looking at Tomlin

We need another leader on offense outside of Ben - one that WANTS the ball, and WANTS to be the guy to help carry the team. We have one in AB, but we need someone with that fire at the RB position.

You know I wanted to mention this only on suspicion. I have nothing else to go by other than that. None of these running backs seem like they WANT the ball. I remember being disappointed when Runthenfall was hurt and Dwyer seemed to shy away from being the starting RB. I don't remember what he said exactly but something to the effect he was ready to give the job back to Runthenfall when he was healthy. I thought Dwyer was going to seize his opportunity, but it doesn't seem that way. Plus the controversy of him coming out after two plays.

Everyone has been concerned with the QB situation, now RB is in that mix.

Speaking of WANTING the ball, Wallace needs to step up and be a difference maker when his O is struggling.

Darkstorm05
11-26-2012, 10:12 AM
You know I wanted to mention this only on suspicion. I have nothing else to go by other than that. None of these running backs seem like they WANT the ball. I remember being disappointed when Runthenfall was hurt and Dwyer seemed to shy away from being the starting RB. I don't remember what he said exactly but something to the effect he was ready to give the job back to Runthenfall when he was healthy. I thought Dwyer was going to seize his opportunity, but it doesn't seem that way. Plus the controversy of him coming out after two plays.

Everyone has been concerned with the QB situation, now RB is in that mix.

Speaking of WANTING the ball, Wallace needs to step up and be a difference maker when his O is struggling.

Wallace made a difference, just not in a positive way. He came to play for a couple weeks, then seemed to pack it in again. At least Plaxico got us a massive chunk of yards just by being a giant WR.

steelfury02
11-26-2012, 10:21 AM
Wallace made a difference, just not in a positive way. He came to play for a couple weeks, then seemed to pack it in again. At least Plaxico got us a massive chunk of yards just by being a giant WR.

yea, the conditioning has a little to do with Dwyer - he is huffing and puffin pretty heavily after a first down gainer. Bettis took pride in his skills and LOVED to humiliate and punish defenses. I'm not saying we need another Bettis - but we need someone with a little more spirit - an RB that will do everything they can to take the pressure off of Ben, and become a voice in the locker room - not just someone to plug in to send right into the mud pit with only a chance of 1-2 yards. Hell, even Willie Parker had that energy and his career with Steelers is looking better and better the longer Mendy has been around.

No one seems hungry on that offense outside of Ben, Miller, Brown, Sanders and the O-linemen - who just can't stay healthy.

madtowndrunkard
11-26-2012, 10:28 AM
You know I wanted to mention this only on suspicion. I have nothing else to go by other than that. None of these running backs seem like they WANT the ball. I remember being disappointed when Runthenfall was hurt and Dwyer seemed to shy away from being the starting RB. I don't remember what he said exactly but something to the effect he was ready to give the job back to Runthenfall when he was healthy. I thought Dwyer was going to seize his opportunity, but it doesn't seem that way. Plus the controversy of him coming out after two plays.

Everyone has been concerned with the QB situation, now RB is in that mix.

Speaking of WANTING the ball, Wallace needs to step up and be a difference maker when his O is struggling.

Wallace is a fraud... he's a one trick pony. Once the league learned how to defend his deep speed he had nothing else to offer....either that or he lost a step? It all means he's no longer relevant in the world of NFL WR's. Thank goodness we did not give him a contract extension. He's playing for a contract right now and that's not enough for him to take it up a notch... also consider the fact he has terrible hands. IMO it appears that he's not putting in the work. Unless he's injured why else would his production drop off a cliff like it has? (since last season)

As for Tomlin being a hard ass... I'm not buying it... sure he's tough on guys for fumbling... he pulls them out of games & might even bench them for a few - no matter if it's bad for the TEAM or not. ... how tough is he in practice? How hard does he make them work to get better? How hard to the players have to work to sharpen their ability to run plays? Watching the way we ran screens for the last several years I can't believe they work that hard...at least not on screens. it was painful to watch for many years...yet we'd still run them. This year seems to be better...but sloppiness is showing up in different ways.

I've heard that the practices are much easier then the Bill Cowher days... but someone else is saying his training camp is tough? I don't know... but I've watched Tomlin enough to think he is in fact a players coach. I think most people believe that.

If Tomlin is tough maybe he needs to take the mussel off Coach Haley and let him coach like he wants to.... you know damn well Haley wanted to tear the asshole right out of his players for that display yesterday.

This season is yet another epic fail by coach Tomlin. How does a team with Superbowl aspirations come up this short? Just like 2009... we can't beat the worst of teams due to lack of focus or preparation by the coaching staff and the players. I seriously think Tomlin will be coaching to keep his job next year. I can't believe the Rooney's will tolerate anything less after this debacle of a season.

steelfury02
11-26-2012, 10:50 AM
Wallace is a fraud... he's a one trick pony. Once the league learned how to defend his deep speed he had nothing else to offer....either that or he lost a step? It all means he's no longer relevant in the world of NFL WR's. Thank goodness we did not give him a contract extension. He's playing for a contract right now and that's not enough for him to take it up a notch... also consider the fact he has terrible hands. IMO it appears that he's not putting in the work. Unless he's injured why else would his production drop off a cliff like it has? (since last season)

As for Tomlin being a hard ass... I'm not buying it... sure he's tough on guys for fumbling... he pulls them out of games & might even bench them for a few - no matter if it's bad for the TEAM or not. ... how tough is he in practice? How hard does he make them work to get better? How hard to the players have to work to sharpen their ability to run plays? Watching the way we ran screens for the last several years I can't believe they work that hard...at least not on screens. it was painful to watch for many years...yet we'd still run them. This year seems to be better...but sloppiness is showing up in different ways.

I've heard that the practices are much easier then the Bill Cowher days... but someone else is saying his training camp is tough? I don't know... but I've watched Tomlin enough to think he is in fact a players coach. I think most people believe that.

If Tomlin is tough maybe he needs to take the mussel off Coach Haley and let him coach like he wants to.... you know damn well Haley wanted to tear the asshole right out of his players for that display yesterday.

This season is yet another epic fail by coach Tomlin. How does a team with Superbowl aspirations come up this short? Just like 2009... we can't beat the worst of teams due to lack of focus or preparation by the coaching staff and the players. I seriously think Tomlin will be coaching to keep his job next year. I can't believe the Rooney's will tolerate anything less after this debacle of a season.

If we don't make it to 8-8 or 9-7, and then you see a repeat next season - then I'll start saying Tomlin needs to do something ASAP do get out of the Rooney doghouse. If it gets 1999 bad for a few seasons - then yes, some shit needs to be re-evaluated - but we're not near that point at all. Cowher had some bad ones, and they didn't pull the trigger.

I do think though, what is unique about this situation - is that they have about a 5 or 6 season window to win another championship or two. Cowher was trying to get by without the luxury of a franchise QB. This team has been loaded with talent - but some of the talent is falling by the wayside (and some of it happening a lot earlier than expected - Mendenhall will go down as a huge bust and Wallace will be nothing more than a flash in the pan)

Terminator
11-26-2012, 10:50 AM
I miss the Mike Wallace from 2010, when we went to the SuperBowl. He had so many big plays. God he was awesome to watch.

steelfury02
11-26-2012, 10:53 AM
I miss the Mike Wallace from 2010, when we went to the SuperBowl. He had so many big plays. God he was awesome to watch.

the Wallace from the first half of that season. I haven't seen him since.

Terminator
11-26-2012, 10:58 AM
the Wallace from the first half of that season. I haven't seen him since.

His touchdown against the Titans was sick. He burned that entire defense.

madtowndrunkard
11-26-2012, 11:02 AM
If we don't make it to 8-8 or 9-7, and then you see a repeat next season - then I'll start saying Tomlin needs to do something ASAP do get out of the Rooney doghouse. If it gets 1999 bad for a few seasons - then yes, some shit needs to be re-evaluated - but we're not near that point at all. Cowher had some bad ones, and they didn't pull the trigger.

I do think though, what is unique about this situation - is that they have about a 5 or 6 season window to win another championship or two. Cowher was trying to get by without the luxury of a franchise QB. This team has been loaded with talent - but some of the talent is falling by the wayside (and some of it happening a lot earlier than expected - Mendenhall will go down as a huge bust and Wallace will be nothing more than a flash in the pan)


You really think the Rooney's would give Tomlin 3 failing seasons in a row with this roster?...with a HOF QB? God I hope not. I hope we don't have to find that out.

HUGE difference between Cowher and now...you pointed out the most obvious fact. Also worth mentioning... In Cowher's first 6 years..he won the division 5 X, 3 AFCC appearances, and a SB. What makes it impressive is the situation he took on. VERY different then what Tomlin took over... with the QB situation...I think Cowher earned the right to have a few bad seasons... everyone knew the talent he had wasn't good. Tomlin's situation is completely different. No way has he earned the right to deliver 3 bad seasons in a row... 2011 was a fail... 2012 is not looking good...if we don't win a playoff game this year..and next year..he's gotta be gone.

Frankly I don't see it happening... this is a QB league..and with Ben on the roster and a good defense...it would take some seriously bad coaching to not win with that. Even if this season is a failure..I don't think it happens 3 years in a row.

steelfury02
11-26-2012, 11:30 AM
You really think the Rooney's would give Tomlin 3 failing seasons in a row with this roster?...with a HOF QB? God I hope not. I hope we don't have to find that out.

HUGE difference between Cowher and now...you pointed out the most obvious fact. Also worth mentioning... In Cowher's first 6 years..he won the division 5 X, 3 AFCC appearances, and a SB. What makes it impressive is the situation he took on. VERY different then what Tomlin took over... with the QB situation...I think Cowher earned the right to have a few bad seasons... everyone knew the talent he had wasn't good. Tomlin's situation is completely different. No way has he earned the right to deliver 3 bad seasons in a row... 2011 was a fail... 2012 is not looking good...if we don't win a playoff game this year..and next year..he's gotta be gone.

Frankly I don't see it happening... this is a QB league..and with Ben on the roster and a good defense...it would take some seriously bad coaching to not win with that. Even if this season is a failure..I don't think it happens 3 years in a row.

Somehow, Tomlin is having to deal with a LOT more injuries - I think that is the equalizer. I think you might agree with me that Steeler Nation would be expecting wins if Ben is in there, regardless of who else is out. Green Bay proved you can win with a decimated roster.

jtbsteeler
11-26-2012, 01:54 PM
Tomlin seems like an idiot sometimes.

Riddle_Of_Steel
11-26-2012, 01:55 PM
This season is yet another epic fail by coach Tomlin. How does a team with Superbowl aspirations come up this short? Just like 2009... we can't beat the worst of teams due to lack of focus or preparation by the coaching staff and the players. I seriously think Tomlin will be coaching to keep his job next year. I can't believe the Rooney's will tolerate anything less after this debacle of a season.

Jeebus, can't we keep things in perspective? One bad season, and few rough games, and we are back on the "Tomlin fighting for his job" train?

2007: 10-6, DIV title, playoffs

2008: 12-4, SB Ring #6, DIV title, epic defense

2009: 9-7, no playoffs (uh-oh, Cowher NEVER had that happen to him after winning a SB)

2010: 12-4, SB loss, DIV title

2011: 12-4, playoffs

2012: 6-5 and still counting...

Tomlin's not going anywhere.....

steeltheone
11-26-2012, 02:08 PM
2011 ....12-4 and a loss to Tim Tebow in the Wildcard game!

jtbsteeler
11-26-2012, 02:09 PM
This season is yet another epic fail by coach Tomlin. How does a team with Superbowl aspirations come up this short? Just like 2009... we can't beat the worst of teams due to lack of focus or preparation by the coaching staff and the players. I seriously think Tomlin will be coaching to keep his job next year. I can't believe the Rooney's will tolerate anything less after this debacle of a season.

Jeebus, can't we keep things in perspective? One bad season, and few rough games, and we are back on the "Tomlin fighting for his job" train?

2007: 10-6, DIV title, playoffs

2008: 12-4, SB Ring #6, DIV title, epic defense

2009: 9-7, no playoffs (uh-oh, Cowher NEVER had that happen to him after winning a SB)

2010: 12-4, SB loss, DIV title

2011: 12-4, playoffs

2012: 6-5 and still counting...

Tomlin's not going anywhere.....

Tomlin, plays a bright man in the movies. During the games are his reality. He looks clueless EVEN when the team is winning. Ala, the time management etc.

steelfury02
11-26-2012, 02:18 PM
Mike Tomlin is "The Time Manager" and for Mike Tomlin, he's gonna' find out that being a Time Manager is harder than it looks!
http://benmaller.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/miketomlincartoon.jpg

Fire Arians
11-26-2012, 02:20 PM
the problem is we don't have a starting running back, they're all equally bad.

I do like redman though, but he's primarily a short yardage back, he's not starter caliber

steelfury02
11-26-2012, 02:27 PM
the problem is we don't have a starting running back, they're all equally bad.

I do like redman though, but he's primarily a short yardage back, he's not starter caliber

Keep Redman and Dwyer I say. Go Corner or Safety in 1st and 2nd, RB in third IMO

ZoneBlitzer
11-26-2012, 04:42 PM
Tomlin seems like an idiot sometimes.

Yup. The silly mind games of pulling each RB for the fumbles was juvenile. It sends the wrong message and undermines a players confidence.

AndyWitmyer
11-26-2012, 05:07 PM
Yup. The silly mind games of pulling each RB for the fumbles was juvenile. It sends the wrong message and undermines a players confidence.

It's definitely going to have a negative impact on morale - maybe if Tomlin had benched of the backs, as a statement, that might been acceptable. Benching multiple backs sends players the message that they suck, and they're not worthy of playing this game and they're certainly not worthy of donning a Steelers jersey. When multiple players begin to feel resentful, you run the risk of pissing off the rest of the team in general. A sustained atmosphere of negativity in the Steelers locker room would be disastrous and should be avoided at all costs.

Fire Arians
11-26-2012, 05:27 PM
It's definitely going to have a negative impact on morale - maybe if Tomlin had benched of the backs, as a statement, that might been acceptable. Benching multiple backs sends players the message that they suck, and they're not worthy of playing this game and they're certainly not worthy of donning a Steelers jersey. When multiple players begin to feel resentful, you run the risk of pissing off the rest of the team in general. A sustained atmosphere of negativity in the Steelers locker room would be disastrous and should be avoided at all costs.

It is what it is, maybe that is the case

AndyWitmyer
11-26-2012, 05:38 PM
It is what it is, maybe that is the case

You know, when I re-read what I wrote, I kinda thought the same thing. :banging: lol

harrison'samonster
11-26-2012, 05:48 PM
when Tomlin first sat Mendenhall, he wasn't anticipating a Redman fumble.

and you know when he put Redman out of the game, he wasn't anticipating a Dwyer fumble.

What was he suppose to do? Then Mendenhall gets another chance and fumbles again! What was he suppose to do then? "Well, if you're going to keep fumbling then there's nothing I can do about it, just go out and have fun!"

FrancoLambert
11-26-2012, 06:09 PM
I like how Tomlin "rotated" his running backs.
It was harsh but necessary. Forget the feelings, in the NFL performance counts.
Questions at QB, questions at RB, questions at OL........we need answers.

JeromeBetties63
11-26-2012, 06:13 PM
It was just a fluke.

jjpro11
11-26-2012, 07:55 PM
Funny.. A couple weeks ago we were loaded at RB. Now all of a sudden we have nobody capable of running the ball. I think everyone is overreacting a bit too much. Yesterday was the fluke of all flukes.

How many times in your lifetime have you ever seen four different running backs lose fumbles? I don't know that it has ever happened in the NFL before. Cleveland was basically able to stack the box and beg us to throw. When you have a QB who is not capable of going deep, everything becomes crowded up front. Couple that with the fact that we had two linemen go down, and it was just a complete disaster up and down.

I am not going to write off the RBs until I see them all fail with a healthy oline and Ben on the field. They've all shown the ability to get it done in the past. They didn't all of a sudden forget how to run with the football.

Terminator
11-26-2012, 08:22 PM
Funny.. A couple weeks ago we were loaded at RB. Now all of a sudden we have nobody capable of running the ball. I think everyone is overreacting a bit too much. Yesterday was the fluke of all flukes.

How many times in your lifetime have you ever seen four different running backs lose fumbles? I don't know that it has ever happened in the NFL before. Cleveland was basically able to stack the box and beg us to throw. When you have a QB who is not capable of going deep, everything becomes crowded up front. Couple that with the fact that we had two linemen go down, and it was just a complete disaster up and down.

I am not going to write off the RBs until I see them all fail with a healthy oline and Ben on the field. They've all shown the ability to get it done in the past. They didn't all of a sudden forget how to run with the football.


If Charlie Batch is physically incapable of throwing a proper football pass, then he has no fucking business being in this sport anymore and I blame Tomlin for playing him.

I don't give 2 shits if Hoyer shits the bed. If he can throw the ball (which he can, I've seen his work), then start him.

Atlanta Dan
11-26-2012, 08:34 PM
tomlin obviously seems to favor veterans he feels he can trust.

That and being stubborn (e.g. - going for 2 from the 12 yard line after a holding penalty in the Jax playoff game his first year) are his greatest weaknesses as a coach. Art Rooney has been bitching about yoiunger players not getting opportunities and the Batch/Leftwich combo platter as backups is the latest problem with that practice

Leftwich did not make it out of preseason in 2010 and 2011 but Tomlin kept Batch & Leftwich as the backups - now the Steelers have an injured Lefwtich and a 38 year old Tomlin has never liked who cannot throw a deep ball or an out pattern

Once he yanked Mendnhall after the fumble (after Mendenhall got the start over Dwyer as the vet rather than as the better performer) Tomlin was locked into pulling whomever fumbled - he lucked out with Rainey scoring on short yardage to end the half but Redman should have been in for that play up the middle

I guess Byron Batch starts this weekend since all 4 RBs fumbled

But it is a journeymen group of RBs - the only player Tomlin needs to satisfy on offense is Ben (which is why Tomlin had to be forced to ax Arians)

Terminator
11-26-2012, 08:48 PM
That and being stubborn (e.g. - going for 2 from the 12 yard line after a holding penalty in the Jax playoff game his first year) are his greatest weaknesses as a coach. Art Rooney has been bitching about yoiunger players not getting opportunities and the Batch/Leftwich combo platter as backups is the latest problem with that practice

Leftwich did not make it out of preseason in 2010 and 2011 but Tomlin kept Batch & Leftwich as the backups - now the Steelers have an injured Lefwtich and a 38 year old Tomlin has never liked who cannot throw a deep ball or an out pattern

Once he yanked Mendnhall after the fumble (after Mendenhall got the start over Dwyer as the vet rather than as the better performer) Tomlin was locked into pulling whomever fumbled - he lucked out with Rainey scoring on short yardage to end the half but Redman should have been in for that play up the middle

I guess Byron Batch starts this weekend since all 4 RBs fumbled

But it is a journeymen group of RBs - the only player Tomlin needs to satisfy on offense is Ben (which is why Tomlin had to be forced to ax Arians)

Baron Batch was released to make room for Burress. He sucks ass anyway and is ALWAYS injured.

Atlanta Dan
11-26-2012, 08:51 PM
Baron Batch was released to make room for Burress. He sucks ass anyway and is ALWAYS injured.

I was joking:chuckle:

Terminator
11-26-2012, 08:54 PM
I was joking:chuckle:


:hatsoff: my bad

FanSince72
11-26-2012, 09:15 PM
their assholes are puckered tighter than a snare drum. i think tomlin is using fear as motivation with this unit and it obviously isnt working.

they all seem to be out there running and fighting for their jobs and careers, rather than for their teammates and wins.

honestly, none of them seem to be the personality types to respond to that except for maybe redman and rainey.

either way, they are all pressing.


tomlins philosophy is smashmouth and to "run the wheels off" RB's. just ask fast willie parker, whos wheels came off as an small, overused RB w/o the benefit of a FB or top 10 OL talent as he tried to ride out his career in Pgh.

he strikes me as a hard ass. others think he is too friendly, but must not remember "camp tomlin".

mike wallace was one of the leagues budding superstars, but i cant remember any productive young player who had their ass ridden harder than his. meanwhile dez bryant is living in the lap of luxory in dallas.

tomlin obviously seems to favor veterans he feels he can trust.

Holy shit!

I never thought I'd say this, but I actually AGREE with you! :hatsoff:




(OK now I have to lay down for a while...)

NoFieldFive
11-26-2012, 09:49 PM
being a rather young head coach Tomlin probably feels more comfortable riding the youngster than the other guys closer to his age.