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BlaZeQuietly
11-26-2012, 08:57 PM
Winning Team - Starting Quarter Back = Losing Team

Patriots- Brady=losers
Saints- Brees=losers
Packers- Rogers= Probably losers
Broncos - Manning= Probably losers
Steelers - Ben = Losers

This Proves Ben is Elite to his Team, the last couple weeks has shown how good he really makes this offense look!

Darkstorm05
11-26-2012, 09:03 PM
The Pats went 11-5 with Cassel when Brady went out for an MCL in game 1. The Broncos kicked our asses last year...in the playoffs...with Tim Tebow, of all people. And the Packers were 13-3 when Rodgers was last a backup. And the Saints...well, they're 5-6, and Brees is healthy.

desertsteel
11-26-2012, 09:10 PM
Why don't you use real case studies to prove your point? Like the Colts without Manning.

zcoop
11-26-2012, 09:14 PM
The Pats went 11-5 with Cassel when Brady went out for an MCL in game 1. The Broncos kicked our asses last year...in the playoffs...with Tim Tebow, of all people. And the Packers were 13-3 when Rodgers was last a backup. And the Saints...well, they're 5-6, and Brees is healthy.

Good point. I don't think there's a question about Ben being elite but the rationale used here doesn't fit. Teams and their systems wins games.

A serviceable back up can win a few crucial games in the NFL when the starter goes down. If you have back up batteries in pitch black and they don't work, they'll do you no damn good. You wont be able to see a damn thing.

tony hipchest
11-26-2012, 09:26 PM
we were 1st in the league in 3rd down conversions w/ ben. something like an astronomical 60%.

w/o ben we are near the bottom at 23%.

that sucks and you cant win games if you convert 3rd down 1 outta 4 times.

anyways, i only need to watch ben play to know he is elite relative to the others. yeah, some may throw a prettier, tighter, more accurate spiral, but those guys usually need all day to make those throws.

teegre
11-26-2012, 10:30 PM
My formula goes something like this:

BB is awesome + Steelers are 0-5 against the Ravens when BB is out - the media talking heads can suck it = elite

White_Steel_Wolfe
11-28-2012, 12:53 PM
Why don't you use real case studies to prove your point? Like the Colts without Manning.

Amen

BlaZeQuietly
11-28-2012, 12:57 PM
I concede some of my examples were inaccurate, point is , with out ben the steelers can't win therefore he is elite, like someone else said, like the colts with out manning.

Fire Arians
11-28-2012, 12:59 PM
we don't need no stinkin formula

Darkstorm05
11-28-2012, 01:01 PM
I concede some of my examples were inaccurate, point is , with out ben the steelers can't win therefore he is elite, like someone else said, like the colts with out manning.

That doesn't come off sounding much better, though. Any minute now a Ravens fan will be in here pointing out that you just said that the Steeler's are shit unless they have a top 5 QB. Clearly the Colts were.

Fire Arians
11-28-2012, 01:03 PM
That doesn't come off sounding much better, though. Any minute now a Ravens fan will be in here pointing out that you just said that the Steeler's are shit unless they have a top 5 QB. Clearly the Colts were.

I don't know, the colts were crap with a crap qb. kerry collins? They don't have a top 5 QB right now. I know luck is going to be great, but he's a good, not top 5 qb right now.

Darkstorm05
11-28-2012, 01:08 PM
I don't know, the colts were crap with a crap qb. kerry collins? They don't have a top 5 QB right now. I know luck is going to be great, but he's a good, not top 5 qb right now.

Tricky wording there. The underlying theme is that the Colts needed Manning, and were shit without him. Luck has elevated them somewhat, but if he left I expect they'd be shit again.

The Steelers, however, have shown in the past we can do ok without Ben. Not terribly dominant, perhaps, but certainly not shit. Batch and Lefty had shit games, but we assuredly are not shit without Ben.

Fire Arians
11-28-2012, 01:12 PM
Tricky wording there. The underlying theme is that the Colts needed Manning, and were shit without him. Luck has elevated them somewhat, but if he left I expect they'd be shit again.

The Steelers, however, have shown in the past we can do ok without Ben. Not terribly dominant, perhaps, but certainly not shit. Batch and Lefty had shit games, but we assuredly are not shit without Ben.

losing our starting qb probably hurts us more than before because we're more of a passing team. back in the day when we had the bus and fast willie (in his prime), we were primarily a running team, so the qb was just a game manager.

now the qb is asked to win the game for us in the current system. if there's a huge dropoff in qb skill/ability in our system, then there's a huge drop off in overall offensive production. same case with indy where peyton was THE guy the offense was centered around.

MDSteel15
11-28-2012, 01:44 PM
Why don't you use real case studies to prove your point? Like the Colts without Manning.

Colts without Manning are winning! Maybe not last year but they are this year... Pats without Brady were 11-5... Rogers only missed 1 game and the back up broke all kinds of records!!! Ben is definitely top of the line....

JeromeBetties63
11-28-2012, 03:52 PM
4DT + P.O.(10-4) + 3AFFC + 2SBR = Elite

Dino 6 Rings
11-28-2012, 04:51 PM
Steelers with Terry = 4 Rings
Steelers without Terry = 0 Rings
Steelers with Ben = 2 Rings

Ben = Elite enough to Win Rings.