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RuHappy69
12-09-2012, 07:24 AM
Yes, he is a started but it's almost by default since Smith retired. His production as a #1 pick has been abysmal and I never see anything out of him when I watch every game. Why not give Al Woods the shot and maybe send a message to the rest of the team.

harrison'samonster
12-09-2012, 07:41 AM
i don't think he's a bust, he looks pretty good out there at times. Early in the season, the whole D-line was looking pretty weak, but they have come on in the last few games.

Stairway to 7
12-09-2012, 07:45 AM
I think he's improved a bit, her's a starter on the #1 ranked defense, he doesn't make splash plays, but he must be pretty solid to keep his job.

wera176
12-09-2012, 08:04 AM
Why is there also such a rush or desire to call players "busts" on this forum? :doh:

So far this season we've had to endure threads/posts calling LeBeau a fraud, Timmons a bust, some unknown backup QB our best backup, old backups better than our starter, our top CB a waste, our #1 defense smoke and mirrors, our coaches and front offices idiots, and I guess just about every player we have has been called a bust on here.

I get sometimes it's venting and that's cool, but really? :noidea:

As far as Ziggy or the rest of our DL: DL don't make many splash plays in Dick's defense. Sure, he's not Smith, but Smith is likely the best ever at that position so NO ONE is Smith. But there were still many, many games where Smith was a key to the defenses success and his name was never called by the talking heads. Without watching film, it's hard to tell how well he is actually doing...

SteeleReign
12-09-2012, 08:13 AM
Why is there also such a rush or desire to call players "busts" on this forum? :doh:

So far this season we've had to endure threads/posts calling LeBeau a fraud, Timmons a bust, some unknown backup QB our best backup, old backups better than our starter, our top CB a waste, our #1 defense smoke and mirrors, our coaches and front offices idiots, and I guess just about every player we have has been called a bust on here.

I get sometimes it's venting and that's cool, but really? :noidea:

As far as Ziggy or the rest of our DL: DL don't make many splash plays in Dick's defense. Sure, he's not Smith, but Smith is likely the best ever at that position so NO ONE is Smith. But there were still many, many games where Smith was a key to the defenses success and his name was never called by the talking heads. Without watching film, it's hard to tell how well he is actually doing...

And, it's equally as likely that Ziggy HAS been a bust to this point. He's a first round pick with a ton of experience in LeBeau's complicated defense. As far as I'm concerned, these last 4 games & playoffs are his chance to change his "bust" status.

harrison'samonster
12-09-2012, 08:17 AM
And, it's equally as likely that Ziggy HAS been a bust to this point. He's a first round pick with a ton of experience in LeBeau's complicated defense. As far as I'm concerned, these last 4 games & playoffs are his chance to change his "bust" status.

what does Ziggy need to show in the next few games to show you that he deserves his spot and is not a bust?

SteelersCanada
12-09-2012, 08:34 AM
People want our DE's to play like Watt and Justin Smith but don't realize that in our scheme, Ziggy is doing exactly what is being asked of him. He's not going to get 15+ sacks, but he's getting consistent pressure on the left side. Is he playing at an elite level? No, but as others have said, he's playing well enough to keep his job right now on an elite defense.

Did he warrant a first round pick? Probably not, but I don't think "bust" is the right label here. Even underachiever seems a little harsh.

El-Gonzo Jackson
12-09-2012, 08:39 AM
The guy was a late 1st round pick. He plays a position on this team that is designed to eat up 2 blockers so that the LB's can make plays. He looked pretty good in beating Osemele last weekend for a sack and is relentless in pusuit.

For you posters out there with a need to call him a bust, go ahead. I dont think he is playing any better or worse than Keisel, Heyward are and I think he is doing what a 5-technique should on the #1 defense in the NFL.

Tyson Jackson, Glenn Dorsey......you can chalk up as busts.

Stairway to 7
12-09-2012, 09:05 AM
The guy was a late 1st round pick. He plays a position on this team that is designed to eat up 2 blockers so that the LB's can make plays. He looked pretty good in beating Osemele last weekend for a sack and is relentless in pusuit.

For you posters out there with a need to call him a bust, go ahead. I dont think he is playing any better or worse than Keisel, Heyward are and I think he is doing what a 5-technique should on the #1 defense in the NFL.

Tyson Jackson, Glenn Dorsey......you can chalk up as busts.

Defintely, add that Amobi Okoye too, big hyped workout warrior, has done absolutely nothing.

FrancoLambert
12-09-2012, 09:49 AM
If he was a bust he wouldn't be a starter and get so much playing time.
A "bit of a disappointment" for a 1st rounder sounds more accurate.

dcsteel5804
12-09-2012, 10:12 AM
I would say that he isn't the definition of a "BUST", but he's more of a dissapointment. He was taken in the first round to replace a Steeler Legend, and he just hasn't produced.

Many times, I see him laid out on his back because he just doesn't seem to be strong enough at the point of attack. He also doesn't seem to push the pocket very well. I've also found that teams have the most success running to his side.

I would say that the team should keep him, but not at a top player money, just an average contract. I wouldn't even be opposed to brining in some younger blood who could produce on a similar level for less money.

AgentGold007
12-09-2012, 10:14 AM
In order for him to be considered a bust, you would first have to have inflated expectations of him when he was drafted. Personally, I knew very little about Ziggy when the Steelers drafted him, and felt there were other people I would have liked to see them draft at that position in the first place. So for me he's not a "bust" because I wasn't expecting much from him to begin with other than for him to be a starter some day, which he is.

El-Gonzo Jackson
12-09-2012, 10:45 AM
In order for him to be considered a bust, you would first have to have inflated expectations of him when he was drafted. Personally, I knew very little about Ziggy when the Steelers drafted him, and felt there were other people I would have liked to see them draft at that position in the first place. So for me he's not a "bust" because I wasn't expecting much from him to begin with other than for him to be a starter some day, which he is.

He was a college DT at Mizzou, with good enough size to convert to a DE in the 3-4. I didnt have expectations that he would be a pro bowler, but rather that he was likely the best DE prospect on the board at that time and we had aging guys in Smith, Keisel.

So by your criteria he is not a bust, but a serviceable starter and likely the best guy on the draft board at the time in a position of need for the Steelers. but..........Haters Hate.

austinfrench76
12-09-2012, 11:01 AM
I would just like someone to tell me what the expectations are for him? Meaning, what constitutes a bust as a DL in a 3-4 defense? I'm not being sarcastic I really want someone to tell me. I have seen at least 4 of these types of Ziggy bust threads and would like to know the criteria. I feel there are bloated expectations based on him replacing one of the best to ever play his position in Aaron Smith. But, statistically speaking, Smith was not a stat stuffer so what's the criteria?

Steelerindc
12-09-2012, 01:48 PM
We have to take into consideration that DL in this scheme don't make a lot of big splash plays. As long as he is stout at the point of attack and not getting mowed down then he's doing his job.

Remember Smith didn't make a lot splash plays, but he was solid and allowed the LB"s to do there job.

AgentGold007
12-09-2012, 04:10 PM
He was a college DT at Mizzou, with good enough size to convert to a DE in the 3-4. I didnt have expectations that he would be a pro bowler, but rather that he was likely the best DE prospect on the board at that time and we had aging guys in Smith, Keisel.

So by your criteria he is not a bust, but a serviceable starter and likely the best guy on the draft board at the time in a position of need for the Steelers. but..........Haters Hate.

Well I guess we both got what we expected out of Ziggy, hence he's not a "bust".

Terminator
12-10-2012, 05:59 AM
He wasn't worth a #1 Round draft pick, that's for damn sure.

JeromeBetties63
12-10-2012, 08:33 AM
No. He's not a star but he's not a bust either.

El-Gonzo Jackson
12-10-2012, 08:44 AM
He wasn't worth a #1 Round draft pick, that's for damn sure.

He was the #32 pick taken. The last player in the 1st round and the Steelers needed D linemen and O linemen.

Other players taken in the 2nd round were:
Ron Brace DT
Eben Britton OT
Andy Levitre OG
Phil Loadholt OT
Fili Moala DT
Max Unger C
Sebastian Vollmer OT
Brian Robiske WR
Pat White QB
Everette Brown DE
Connor Barwin DE
Darius Butler CB
Jarius Byrd CB

All you whiners that like to hate on a guy for being drafted, when he was likely the best pick availabe are either just habitual complainers or have no idea of how the NFL draft works.

Anybody can complain, but seemingly nobody can offer alternative solutions. Its a major problem in society and apparently here on this board.

Terminator
12-10-2012, 08:46 AM
Its a major problem in society and apparently here on this board.

:blah:

mikegrimey
12-10-2012, 10:19 AM
:blah:

He's right though, the majority of complainers just want to be capt hindsight geniuses, acting like they're so brilliant for saying who should have been picked where... 4 years after the fact...

El-Gonzo Jackson
12-10-2012, 10:28 AM
He's right though, the majority of complainers just want to be capt hindsight geniuses, acting like they're so brilliant for saying who should have been picked where... 4 years after the fact...

Thanks Mike. There were a few posters here back in that draft year that advocated guys like William Beatty, Phil Loadholt, James Laurinatis, Darius Butler, Fili Moala....BEFORE the draft.

Arguements can be made that Loadholt or Laurinatis would have been better picks, but the aging D line was an area of need and Hood seems to have addressed that as a 5 technique.

The hindsight haters will always hate.

ricardisimo
12-10-2012, 11:16 AM
:blah:
Such witty retorts. Keep it up. I'm sure Gonzo's going to crumble under the weight of your arguments.

Fire Arians
12-10-2012, 11:32 AM
bust? no, he's been pretty decent to good.

is he aaron smith? hell no. but if you expect him to be aaron smith, you will be disappointed.

just like expecting our next starting SS to be troy polamalu, or our next OLB to be harrison or porter. Smith was one of the best 3-4 DE's of all time, maybe the best in his prime, there won't be another like that for a long time.

Terminator
12-10-2012, 01:37 PM
bust? no, he's been pretty decent to good.

is he aaron smith? hell no. but if you expect him to be aaron smith, you will be disappointed.

just like expecting our next starting SS to be troy polamalu, or our next OLB to be harrison or porter. Smith was one of the best 3-4 DE's of all time, maybe the best in his prime, there won't be another like that for a long time.

I'm sure JJ Watt would like to have a word with Aaron Smith

Steel_Bus_24
12-10-2012, 01:46 PM
Losing the Prime Smith is why our D isn't legendary anymore

We have a good D....borderline "Elite" when healthy

but when we had a Prime Smith in there it was at another level.....He let our OLBs eat on some QB because he commanded a Double Team.....which often he still drove back an collapsed the inside of the pocket

He pretty much was the reason we could get away with the Cushion-Era