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wootawnee
12-10-2012, 02:11 PM
How do you change a line that dominated and had perfect chemistry against the Ravens,stick in Colon and blow it against the chargers?.......Soon as Legursky came in we out scored the Chargers 21-7.....

Also, who were all these new numbers in the secondary getting burnt that I did not recognize, and why were they in there?.....Were last weeks players hurt(besides Ike)?.......

Why does Colon keep getting hurt?......Does he not train like a champion trains?.....Does he not spend time on his body like A true athelete does?....

On a side note....The Chargers had one stolen from them against the Ravens the other week at home......They have been playing much better the last few weeks aside from the picks......

Darkstorm05
12-10-2012, 02:23 PM
How do you change a line that dominated and had perfect chemistry against the Ravens,stick in Colon and blow it against the chargers?.......Soon as Legursky came in we out scored the Chargers 21-7.....

Also, who were all these new numbers in the secondary getting burnt that I did not recognize, and why were they in there?.....Were last weeks players hurt(besides Ike)?.......

Why does Colon keep getting hurt?......Does he not train like a champion trains?.....Does he not spend time on his body like A true athelete does?....

On a side note....The Chargers had one stolen from them against the Ravens the other week at home......They have been playing much better the last few weeks aside from the picks......

Think you'd be referring to Curtis Brown in the secondary. he was in because Ike is out. He stunk it up so bad he got benched for Victorian, who just came up from the practice squad.

Steel_Bus_24
12-10-2012, 02:34 PM
Brown was getting consistently toasted by backups in the Pre-Season.......not much progress since

We need these things to happen if we want any chance at getting to the bowl

*Ike to come back locked and loaded...

or...

*Our Pass has to start generating some pressure and getting sacks and turnovers.....

or....

*Ben and the Offense just explode an start putting up 30+


I tend to think even if Ike comes back in the best shape ever, we're still going to need that pass rush cranked up big time from where it is now.....to do any real damage

Smiley Faced Assassin86
12-10-2012, 02:42 PM
I dont get this team....its been a minute since I have been this bothered by a loss. At least in Cleveland it was self inflicted injuries to blame. The Steelers were punked yesterday and I hope they can recover.

Curtis Brown wasn't ready to play and to be honest this whole team wasn't ready to play and the outcome showed it. Thats a Tomlin issue. His track record to losing to terrible teams speaks for itself. I still haven't forgotten the playoff loss last year to Tebow. That dude needs to take a look in the mirror and lead this team. I am quickly losing faith in him and this comes from a Tomlin supporter believe it or not.

Anyway it goes, its been a crazy year and this team is good enough, to win it all, I just don't know if the coaching is good enough. :noidea:

AndyWitmyer
12-10-2012, 03:14 PM
I know I'll take some flack for saying this, because as the mantra goes "Great teams win...no excuses" - but I do think the lockout had a very negative effect on the Steelers (as well as other good teams) and created a parity that would not have ordinarily existed. It doesn't help that as soon as the "real" refs get back, they appear to be just as clueless and awful as the previous ones.

It has been a strange season, indeed. Not just for the Steelers, but for much of the league. I can't help but to notice how many games have either ended in OT, or were decided in the 4th quarter by 3 points of less. Hell, half of the Ravens victories might have very easily gone the other way. It's as if the NFL is doing its very best to control the game...in an effort to keep games as close as possible...for better ratings. At the expense of the fans and the players. I hate sounding conspiratorial...but this year has been too f-ing weird not to at least point it out.

steeltheone
12-10-2012, 03:38 PM
How do you change a line that dominated and had perfect chemistry against the Ravens,stick in Colon and blow it against the chargers?.......Soon as Legursky came in we out scored the Chargers 21-7.....

Also, who were all these new numbers in the secondary getting burnt that I did not recognize, and why were they in there?.....Were last weeks players hurt(besides Ike)?.......

Why does Colon keep getting hurt?......Does he not train like a champion trains?.....Does he not spend time on his body like A true athelete does?....

On a side note....The Chargers had one stolen from them against the Ravens the other week at home......They have been playing much better the last few weeks aside from the picks......Don't make excuses...The Chargers had ZERO to play for, on the road in the cold against a team that had everything to play for!

Darkstorm05
12-10-2012, 03:43 PM
Don't make excuses...The Chargers had ZERO to play for, on the road in the cold against a team that had everything to play for!

The Chargers have everything to play for. Winning out can still squeak them by to the WC.

WVABE
12-10-2012, 05:23 PM
There are no excuses for the first half except for the Bolts just flat out punched our offence in the face. They came ready to play and our O just flat out sucked because of their D. Bolts got an A+ in the first half and they should be proud.
I'm predicting a 14 point win in Dallas, maybe more.

FrancoLambert
12-10-2012, 05:47 PM
Don't be too hard on Colon this time. I'm thinking his "new" injury is related to the devastating hit Suggs laid on him last week, taking his legs out real hard.

But, there's alot that's broke or in disrepair.
Beachum had a very good game vs. the Rats, seems like he dropped off yesterday.
Pouncey's multiple bad snaps surprised me.
O-line back to being unsettled and inconsistent.

Defense played like shit.

Secondary played like shit.

Team Discipline? How about 2 consecutive penalties on 3rd and 10 to gift them a first down.

Special Teams? Enough said.
Coaching decisions?

There's a lot of fixing to do.

TRH
12-10-2012, 06:19 PM
it was extremely frustrating to watch Rivers have ALL DAY back there to throw and then some : meanwhile Ben barely had 1.5 seconds and the pocket was swarmed all over.
I can't understand why we can't generate pass rush anymore.

Curtain_of_Steel
12-10-2012, 06:52 PM
Chargers were in prevent Def when the tide changed. Those stats are meanlingless. This was not a 10 point loss.

Every year there are several plays where we fall asleep and do not pick up a fumble, or get caught napping.Its continuing. they like getting caught with their pants down I guess.

If Tomlin doesn;t make them accountable that it will continue. It started the first game with IKE's horrible play for 6 games, and it continues with others doing the same shit.

Fire Haley
12-10-2012, 11:17 PM
How do you change a line that dominated and had perfect chemistry against the Ravens,stick in Colon and blow it against the chargers?.......Soon as Legursky came in we out scored the Chargers 21-7...........

I agree with everything you say


Better, faster, more athletic line with Colon out

ETL
12-10-2012, 11:30 PM
it was extremely frustrating to watch Rivers have ALL DAY back there to throw and then some : meanwhile Ben barely had 1.5 seconds and the pocket was swarmed all over.
I can't understand why we can't generate pass rush anymore.

For a while we were known as Blitzburgh and writing the book on rushing the passer. Then QBs like Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers would carve up the defense. They would pass the ball before rush got to the QB.

The smarter QBs would see where the blitz was coming and find the hot reads quickly. LeBeau had to adjust and send less guys on blitzes and more guys in pass protection. This exposed our DL. They were not designed to be pass rushers. They were guys who were to occupy the OL while the LBs were blitzing and rushing.

Now, should be change back to Blitzburgh? Probably not - because we still have the #1 or #2 defense in the NFL. Its does not have the panache and our blitz happy past but still very effective

austinfrench76
12-11-2012, 12:08 AM
ALOT of problems with this team yesterday but teh biggest exposed their teammates and that's the lack of pass rush. No pressure=DB's getting smoked! Nothing we can do, in this type of defense, if we don't get pressure. It's really that simple.

desertsteel
12-11-2012, 01:14 AM
I can't understand why we can't generate pass rush anymore.

Ding ding ding... this is the biggest problem with this team.

Question is: is it the personnel or the scheme?

torpedoshell31
12-11-2012, 07:53 AM
The worst part of not getting any pressure on Rivers was that they only had one starting O lineman in the game. In fact 3 of them were literally off the street and weren't playing in the NFL 6 days earlier.

Terminator
12-11-2012, 08:03 AM
The worst part of not getting any pressure on Rivers was that they only had one starting O lineman in the game. In fact 3 of them were literally off the street and weren't playing in the NFL 6 days earlier.


Our D-Line consists of the out-of-shape fossils known as Brett Kiesel and Casey Hampton, and the 1st Round Draft Bust Ziggy Hood. I doubt they would get much penetration through a college line.

wootawnee
12-11-2012, 12:55 PM
I agree with everything you say


Better, faster, more athletic line with Colon out

Dont get me wrong....I think WIllie has potential,but I think he doesnt work on his game and his body enough..... ....The Chemistry we had with that certain line-up was awesome.....Plus I like Legursky's Spirit.....Like I like Max Starks....I stood behind Starks for years while almost this whole board called him out and said he sucked......Max is a champion and a leader and says the right things for our youth to follow........

Fire Haley
12-11-2012, 01:02 PM
....I stood behind Starks for years while almost this whole board called him out and said he sucked......



I musta been the only other Max lover, I said we needed him back when we first had the chance to sign him.

Don't pay attention to all the little junior Madden GM wannabees around here, just kick sand in their faces like I do.

steelfury02
12-11-2012, 01:09 PM
I musta been the only other Max lover, I said we needed him back when we first had the chance to sign him.

Don't pay attention to all the little junior Madden GM wannabees around here, just kick sand in their faces like I do.

yea, you think we have problems protecting Ben right now? We must be the only team in the league who cannot protect their QB from the right side. Imagine if Starks wasn't there. He'd get squished from both sides.

Kudos to Starks for being a classy guy in the face of the Steelers shitting on him constantly, dangling the vet min and then they finally decide, yet again, he is their best option. We as fans should consider ourselves lucky that no one has picked him up for even slightly more.

wootawnee
12-11-2012, 01:14 PM
yea, you think we have problems protecting Ben right now? We must be the only team in the league who cannot protect their QB from the right side. Imagine if Starks wasn't there. He'd get squished from both sides.

Kudos to Starks for being a classy guy in the face of the Steelers shitting on him constantly, dangling the vet min and then they finally decide, yet again, he is their best option. We as fans should consider ourselves lucky that no one has picked him up for even slightly more.

Max is a Stand Up Guy.......

steeltheone
12-11-2012, 01:30 PM
Max is a Stand Up Guy.......

The Steelers have pumped well over 30 million in his pocket....He should be a stand up guy!

steeltheone
12-11-2012, 01:33 PM
Ding ding ding... this is the biggest problem with this team.

Question is: is it the personnel or the scheme?
Other than outside linebacker pressure, we have not had a good pass rush for years!

wootawnee
12-11-2012, 02:41 PM
Other than outside linebacker pressure, we have not had a good pass rush for years!

I miss Hokey Pokey.....He used to rush the passer hard..... Big Snack doesnt......He isn't as explosive, but against the run is one of the best.....H.P. was severely underrated......

Fire Haley
12-11-2012, 04:26 PM
Outside linebacker LaMarr Woodley is expected to return after missing the past two games, Tomlin said

so we have that going for us

steelfury02
12-11-2012, 04:27 PM
Outside linebacker LaMarr Woodley is expected to return after missing the past two games, Tomlin said

so we have that going for us

Announcer, right before defense takes the field:
"Woodley makes his return to the field."

Announcer right before defenses takes the field for the second time:
"We're told Jason Worilds is coming in for an injured Woodley."

TRH
12-11-2012, 04:31 PM
Announcer, right before defense takes the field:
"Woodley makes his return to the field."

Announcer right before defenses takes the field for the second time:
"We're told Jason Worilds is coming in for an injured Woodley."

Woodley's becoming "the new Troy".

I fully EXPECT him to reinjure something this week (or any week he actually plays)

steelfury02
12-11-2012, 04:46 PM
Woodley's becoming "the new Troy".

I fully EXPECT him to reinjure something this week (or any week he actually plays)

spot on.

or, he'll be fine, but Troy will be out again

steeltheone
12-11-2012, 06:51 PM
I miss Hokey Pokey.....He used to rush the passer hard..... Big Snack doesnt......He isn't as explosive, but against the run is one of the best.....H.P. was severely underrated......

Hampton was a stud in the day!