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JewniorGong
12-11-2012, 01:25 PM
https://twitter.com/adbrandt/status/278565090687586305

Being tweeted all over

Huge "F U" to Roger here... Embarrassment to the league...

Vis
12-11-2012, 01:46 PM
NEW ORLEANS -- Former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue has overturned the suspensions of four current and former New Orleans Saints players in the league's bounty investigation of the club.

Tagliabue, however, found that the players' conduct was detrimental to the league. He says they participated in a performance pool that rewarded key plays -- including hard tackles -- that could justify fines.

But the former commissioner said Tuesday that "this entire case has been contaminated by the coaches and others in the Saints' organization."

Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma initially had been suspended the whole season, while Saints defensive end Will Smith, Cleveland linebacker Scott Fujita and free agent defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove received shorter suspensions.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8736662/paul-tagliabue-vacates-new-orleans-players-bounty-penalties

Vis
12-11-2012, 01:48 PM
Using the wisdom of Solomon and/or the eyesight of Magoo, former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue has taken a case in which there was no middle ground and created it.

In a confusing announcement that NFL spokesman Greg Aiello has posted piecemeal on Twitter (which only made it more confusing), Tagliabue has both agreed with Commissioner Roger Goodell that there was a bounty program in New Orleans and disagreed that the players involved should be punished in any way.

It’s an extraordinary outcome, vacating the player suspensions while also insulating Goodell from scrutiny for any of the failings of the investigation or prosecution of the players. Most importantly, the decision avoids making Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma’s defamation case against Goodell stronger, by pointing out that Tagliabue believes there was a bounty on Vikings quarterback Brett Favre in the 2009 NFC title game.

So why weren’t the players punished? Tagliabue seems to appreciate the biggest reality that Goodell did not: Football players don’t question the authority of their coaches. And so the blame rightly was placed on the people who ran the operation, and not on players who were merely applying clean, legal hits and hoping to receive the equivalent of a helmet sticker for doing their jobs so well that it helped the team win games via attrition.

Look for both sides to declare victory on this one. The fact that the league, which always seems to get to do whatever it wants to do, ultimately didn’t enforce a suspension of any kind on any player means that the players won in blowout fashion.

Tagliabue, meanwhile, did the right thing while also doing the smart thing. He has concluded that the players should not be punished while helping to shield a client of his law firm from significant civil liability.

In the end, Tagliabue’s commentary may not matter in a court of law. But at least he tried to avoid making Vilma’s defamation case strong, while also essentially declaring that Goodell got it wrong when he suspended the players.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/tagliabue-walks-tightrope-to-exonerate-players-goodell/

Vis
12-11-2012, 01:50 PM
The saga involving four players linked to the New Orleans Saints bounty investigation is now effectively over.

Former NFL commisioner Paul Tagliabue has decided that Jonathan Vilma, Will Smith, Scott Fujita and Anthony Hargrove will not serve suspensions for their alleged wrongdoing in the league's case against the Saints organization for actions between 2009-11.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello (@gregaiello on Twitter) confirmed Tuesday the decision of Tagliabue, who heard the appeals in place of league commissioner Roger Goodell, in the following series of tweets:

Tagliabue affirms factual findings of Commissioner Goodell...concludes Hargrove, Smith, Vilma "engaged in conduct detrimental" and vacates all player discipline. "Unlike Saints' broad organizational misconduct, player appeals involve sharply focused issues of alleged individual player misconduct in several different aspects. My affirmation of Commissioner Goodell's findings could certainly justify...the issuance of fines. However, this entire case has been contaminated by the coaches and others in the Saints' organization."

"Having reviewed the testimony very carefully, including documentary evidence that is at the center of the conflict, and having assessed...the credibility of the four central witnesses on these matters, I find there is more than enough evidence to support...Commissioner Goodell's findings that Mr. Vilma offered such a bounty (on Brett Favre)."

Aiello also gave the NFL's official statement on Tagliabue's findings:

"We respect Mr. Tagliabue’s decision, which underscores the due process afforded players in NFL disciplinary matters. This matter has now been reviewed by Commissioner Goodell, two CBA grievance arbitrators, the CBA Appeals Panel, and Mr. Tag...as Commissioner Goodell’s designated appeals officer. The decisions have made clear that the Saints operated a bounty program...in violation of league rules for three years, that the program endangered player safety, and that the commissioner has the authority...under the CBA to impose discipline for those actions as conduct detrimental to the league. Strong action was taken in this matter...to protect player safety and ensure that bounties would be eliminated from football."

Fire Haley
12-11-2012, 01:55 PM
who

gives

a

shit

(other than Saints fans)


so fire Goodell and make all the rest of the teams happy

Vis
12-11-2012, 02:12 PM
who

gives

a

shit

(other than Saints fans)


so fire Goodell and make all the rest of the teams happy


Every team should care if Goodell has limits on his power. He had planned a meeting with China to begin the New World Order. This might thwart them.

Fire Haley
12-11-2012, 04:00 PM
still don't care

I got bigger team issues to deal with