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maddog78
12-12-2012, 09:52 AM
Not a good year so far. Started with the endorsement/firing of Arians, the hiring of Haley and perceived bristling with Ben, followed by Wallace's holdout and subsequent pouting and even going as far to say he "loses focus", the RB fiasco, Mendy suspension, and most damning, several veteran players saying that the team isn't prepared for games against bad teams.

This thing could turn around with a 3-game streak and some noise in the playoffs, or it could completely unravel if the losing continues. In that case, it could resemble the 1999 team that Cowher appeared to have lost.

Terminator
12-12-2012, 11:01 AM
In my opinion, it's already lost, or very close to that point.

Despite our record, and some of the opponents we beat, I think this team looks worse than both the 2006 and 2009 teams.

steelfury02
12-12-2012, 11:03 AM
In my opinion, it's already lost, or very close to that point.

Despite our record, and some of the opponents we beat, I think this team looks worse than both the 2006 and 2009 teams.

I'd say better than the 06 team, but just about on par with the 09 team - SB quality talent, simply lack of discipline and desire

plenewken
12-12-2012, 11:12 AM
Let's not forget that this team hasn't really shown any kind of steady improvement since the beginning of the season, except on D, where Lebeau straightened things after 3 games.
So that's 13 games of overall lousiness with inexcusable L or lucky W against bottom feeders, poor discipline, poor readiness etc...

Terminator
12-12-2012, 11:31 AM
Let's not forget that this team hasn't really shown any kind of steady improvement since the beginning of the season, except on D, where Lebeau straightened things after 3 games.
So that's 13 games of overall lousiness with inexcusable L or lucky W against bottom feeders, poor discipline, poor readiness etc...


Our D shit the bed bad against the Chargers. 34 points and 13 3rd down conversions allowed? That is shit-tier.

SteelersCanada
12-12-2012, 11:33 AM
Let's not forget that this team hasn't really shown any kind of steady improvement since the beginning of the season, except on D, where Lebeau straightened things after 3 games.
So that's 13 games of overall lousiness with inexcusable L or lucky W against bottom feeders, poor discipline, poor readiness etc...

It has nothing to do with the fact that the franchise quarterback went down. Or the fact that the second string went down as well. Oh, and before that, our defensive playmaker and best Safety in the NFL went down, as well as rotating in and out our Pro Bowl OLB's.

When this team was 6 - 3, we were absolutely rolling. You're sitting there with a straight face and telling me that the offense hasn't made drastic strides since week 1 playing in Denver? We had the number one offense on third downs until Roethlisberger went down. We had the ball for an average of 35 minutes a game - tied for second in the NFL - when he had Big Ben at the helm. After we beat the Giants, we had one of the best teams in the NFL - no question. Inexcusable losses to Tennessee and Oakland early in the season are beginning to come back and haunt us, but by midseason, we had one of the best teams in the league.

When Ben went down, things went down the tubes. Not having your franchise guy and instead, a third string quarterback, is a good way to derail any teams season. The fact that we're still in the conversation for a playoff spot shows the resilience of this team and the ability to fight through adversity.

This team has made significant strides since early in the season but shockingly, when Ben went down, it went off the rails. How about we keep the doomsday talk to a minimum until we've actually been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Maybe that's asking too much.

NoFieldFive
12-12-2012, 11:39 AM
hopefully after this Sunday's game we are not hearing Tomlin's 'playing on the road in the NFL in a hostile environment' speech.

maddog78
12-12-2012, 11:44 AM
I'd say better than the 06 team, but just about on par with the 09 team - SB quality talent, simply lack of discipline and desire

Harrison has only been getting right the past 3-4 weeks. Woodley's missed several games, Troy even more. The next time Harrison-Woodley-Clark-Polamalu take the field together will be the first since 2004 of last year.

Foote for Farrior, Hood for Smith, Keis and Hamp three years older and slower - sorry, I don't see the SB talent.

Forget the rankings. They don't sack QBs or get turnovers and patient teams can run on them.

SoCalFan
12-12-2012, 11:48 AM
I think the injury bug has been too overwhealming. Now that players are getting healthy and coming back the chemistry is a bit off! For some reason, the motivation during the charger game was simply not there and that not only falls on the coaching staff but more so the players in my opinion!!!

Come on, these players are grown ass men, professional athletes at that and need to act like it! They Should not need a babysitter! Coming out playing flat like they did one would think they do! Come on kiddies, lets give it all you got!

maddog78
12-12-2012, 11:50 AM
It has nothing to do with the fact that the franchise quarterback went down. Or the fact that the second string went down as well. Oh, and before that, our defensive playmaker and best Safety in the NFL went down, as well as rotating in and out our Pro Bowl OLB's.

When this team was 6 - 3, we were absolutely rolling. You're sitting there with a straight face and telling me that the offense hasn't made drastic strides since week 1 playing in Denver? We had the number one offense on third downs until Roethlisberger went down. We had the ball for an average of 35 minutes a game - tied for second in the NFL - when he had Big Ben at the helm. After we beat the Giants, we had one of the best teams in the NFL - no question. Inexcusable losses to Tennessee and Oakland early in the season are beginning to come back and haunt us, but by midseason, we had one of the best teams in the league.

When Ben went down, things went down the tubes. Not having your franchise guy and instead, a third string quarterback, is a good way to derail any teams season. The fact that we're still in the conversation for a playoff spot shows the resilience of this team and the ability to fight through adversity.

This team has made significant strides since early in the season but shockingly, when Ben went down, it went off the rails. How about we keep the doomsday talk to a minimum until we've actually been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Maybe that's asking too much.

You make good points, but you're forgetting perhaps that we lost to Oakland and Tennessee with Ben, were down 10-0 to KC at home with Ben, and lost to Cleveland in the biggest shitstorm since we lost to them last time, and now have lost to a team that couldn't buy points or a win.

When several players say that they team isn't ready to play on a semi-regular basis, that's a huge red flag. A loss in Dallas could be the kill shot.

Fire Arians
12-12-2012, 11:52 AM
You make good points, but you're forgetting perhaps that we lost to Oakland and Tennessee with Ben, were down 10-0 to KC at home with Ben, and lost to Cleveland in the biggest shitstorm since we lost to them last time, and now have lost to a team that couldn't buy points or a win.

When several players say that they team isn't ready to play on a semi-regular basis, that's a huge red flag. A loss in Dallas could be the kill shot.

I like tomlin, but that responsibility to get the team ready to play falls on his shoulders. He's paid to be the leader of that team.

Edman
12-12-2012, 12:09 PM
Steelers fans' short-term memory is quite laughable at times. 2012 is NOWHERE near comparable to 2009.

2009 was a veteran team with longtime players who collapsed down the stretch. THAT season was THE NIGHTMARE of the ages. What happened in 2009 was NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER. Troy went down and the D completely FELL TO SHIT.

2012 is a young team in transition that have lost longtime core vets, is going to lose some more vets next offseason, and missing their best player (Ben) for a good portion of the season. This team has been through so much crap this season that it's a miracle they still hold on to the final Wildcard Spot. Injuries have decimated this team, but they're still hanging in there and are still in control of their own destiny.

Let's be honest with ourselves. This isn't the same Steelers we've seen during 2004-2010. There are a lot of new young faces. No more Deshea Townsend, Hines Ward, Aaron Smith, or James Farrior. There is obviously going to be some kind of void and chemistry missing. This is a significantly younger and different Steelers team, and with youth comes mistakes. The void is something Tomlin needs to fill with his coaching.

Rotorhead
12-12-2012, 12:16 PM
All I have to say is, "sniffle sniffle cry cry f'n cry". We cant have a SB team every year, and most franchises dont even have a playoff team year in and year out. To have a chance to make the playoffs when the team is basically rebuilding is something only 2-3 franchises can do. We have an almost completely new Oline that should start for years, young and talented rvcing corps, a def getting younger. We are lacking a couple pieces really. We need to replace our safeties, Harrison and find a new NT (stupid Taamu). Our LB except for Harrison and Foote (who we have a replacement for as long as his knee heals) are all young. We need a better RB and maybe another TE. We have been replenishing and our down year we still will most likely make the plaoyffs. Stop crying and realize all teams need to rebuild at some point and we a lucky enough to not have to worry about being terrible while doing it.

jtbsteeler
12-12-2012, 12:25 PM
We're squandering an opportunity, that's the issue. And Tomlin makes himself look like an idiot too much for my taste. Your team's preparation has a direct relation to your HC's ability IMHO.

I'm sick of the cliche's and quip's too. The calls for his head will be deafening if they continue like this...

maddog78
12-12-2012, 01:06 PM
We have an almost completely new Oline that should start for years,

You mean on the roster or in the lineup? The only guy in the lineup that should be starting for years is Pouncey.

Adams--???--Pouncey--DD--Gilbert should be the future of this team at OL. Maybe DD on the left.

pete74
12-12-2012, 01:18 PM
As long as Ben is our QB we can compete so I dont want to hear shit about rebuilding. If you think we are rebuilding then were screwed. By the time the players learn the new definsive system Ben will be retired or way past his prime. Everyone says it takes a few years to learn our defense correct? Pointless

With that said you wont hear me complain unless were eliminated from the playoffs. The steelers can surprise us all and really play like shit against some of the worst teams in the NFL but can also hang with the best of them. Some of you seem to think the season is over but as long as we have Ben and the best definsive coach in football we can winu the super bowl any season and I wouldnt be surprised to see us there again this year.

Once we totally crush Dallas im sure a lot of people will jump back on the wagon were they belong. Yes we have flaws like every other team out there but we have always played best when our backs are against the wall and everyone has counted us out. Come January were going to look at the Chargers game as our turning point. Were we hit bottom and and started swinging.

torpedoshell31
12-12-2012, 01:28 PM
Just as we were flat following an emotional win over the Ravens, I look for the Cowboys to be flat after their emotional win over the Bengals following the aftermath of losing a teammate in a car crash. Look what the Chiefs did after their tragedy, they played their best game of the year and then last week against the Browns, they barely showed up.

Rotorhead
12-12-2012, 02:47 PM
DD, Pouncey, Starks, Foster, Adams (all Gilbert does is injure our players so until he can learn to keep his feet i dont want his butt on the line). Colon and Foster are interchangable IMO unless Colon can stay healthy. Looks pretty solid to me, and better than we've had in a long time.

And that was my point, we are rebuilding with a younger team and still are talking playoffs. I dont by into this 3 year because our rookie ILB was projected to start before his injury (long day cant remember his name).

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-12-2012, 03:10 PM
All I have to say is, "sniffle sniffle cry cry f'n cry". We cant have a SB team every year, and most franchises dont even have a playoff team year in and year out. To have a chance to make the playoffs when the team is basically rebuilding is something only 2-3 franchises can do. We have an almost completely new Oline that should start for years, young and talented rvcing corps, a def getting younger. We are lacking a couple pieces really. We need to replace our safeties, Harrison and find a new NT (stupid Taamu). Our LB except for Harrison and Foote (who we have a replacement for as long as his knee heals) are all young. We need a better RB and maybe another TE. We have been replenishing and our down year we still will most likely make the plaoyffs. Stop crying and realize all teams need to rebuild at some point and we a lucky enough to not have to worry about being terrible while doing it.

You are right, dude. We are not allowed to criticize our team when they lose repeatedly to sub-par, bottom-feeding franchises.

Those silly fair-weather fans....

Rotorhead
12-12-2012, 03:58 PM
Yep

LayingTheWoodley56
12-12-2012, 04:10 PM
You make good points, but you're forgetting perhaps that we lost to Oakland and Tennessee with Ben, were down 10-0 to KC at home with Ben, and lost to Cleveland in the biggest shitstorm since we lost to them last time, and now have lost to a team that couldn't buy points or a win.

When several players say that they team isn't ready to play on a semi-regular basis, that's a huge red flag. A loss in Dallas could be the kill shot.

Even though I agree that it is important to win this game, a loss would be far from a kill shot. No matter what happens Sunday, if we win our final two games against Cincy and Cleveland we are in at the #6 seed.

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-12-2012, 04:14 PM
Yep

Dwelling on your past successes is a good way to never improve in any area and to make excuses for yourself.

The Steelers are playing sub-par ball right now. Trying to sugar-coat it by living in the past does nothing for improving the team's needs in the future.

The Steelers, their staff, and their players are not a sacred cow-- they are not above criticism by the fans. If they are stinking the joint up-- we should call it like it is. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Rotorhead
12-12-2012, 04:25 PM
Hhmm, show where i was living in the past? Yep, i can see what is going on, but me crying about it all day is not doing much, in fact i am looking to the future actually, i can still see us winning the division, i called the skins beating the rats and so will denver and NY and hopefully cincy, all you see is we suck everyone sucks we are never going to win again ever waaahhhhh

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-12-2012, 04:32 PM
Hhmm, show where i was living in the past?

I quote your post:

"We cant have a SB team every year, and most franchises dont even have a playoff team year in and year out. To have a chance to make the playoffs when the team is basically rebuilding is something only 2-3 franchises can do."

You strongly imply that we are spoiled and that we should be happy with our SB victories thus far. Ergo, you are dwelling on past successes and depending on them to wipe away the stink of losing to the league's 4 worst teams THIS YEAR.

Yep, i can see what is going on, but me crying about it all day is not doing much, in fact i am looking to the future

Who's the one that is "crying". I am being realistic and discussing areaas that need improvement, and you are the one who got butthurt about it. Apparently, we are only allowed to discuss "happy things" so we don't push you over the edge.


actually, i can still see us winning the division, i called the skins beating the rats and so will denver and NY and hopefully cincy, all you see is we suck everyone sucks we are never going to win again ever waaahhhhh

So.....you are optimistic because we have to depend on other teams to lose for us to make the postseason?

So far, the only thing I see that sucks, is your message board rantings.

Rotorhead
12-12-2012, 04:43 PM
Actually i wasnt implying anything, dont assume what you clearly dont know. Stating we cant win the SB every year is not implying we should be happy about last year, it is just stating the obvious, and letting all you cry babies know it isnt going to happen every so be happy with the fact a rebuilding year or 2 for our team still means we can possibly win the SB. I actually dont think we need to rely on ppl losing to make the play offs because the fact is we control our own destiny. Something i know, so stop incinuating i dont know what i am talking about by stating assumptions (again) you clearly have no clue about. What you are doing is crying about the past games where we lost to crappy team so maybe you should atop dwellng on the past. And finally, nothing you "criticize" (or cry about) on this message board is going to make a difference to what the team does on sunday, sorry you seem to think it will (that is an assumption).

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-12-2012, 04:55 PM
Actually i wasnt implying anything, dont assume what you clearly dont know.

I can only quote what YOU said and draw reasonable conclusions from it.

When you say we should pipe down because we can't win a SB every year, you are clearly implying that we should be happy with what we did in the past.

No assumptions, just the English language 101.

Stating we cant win the SB every year is not implying we should be happy about last year

Why would we be happy about the Steelers being bounced out of the postseason by Tim Tebow?

it is just stating the obvious, and letting all you cry babies know it isnt going to happen every so be happy

Yeah, see my "assumption" above. You are telling us to be happy with past championships-- just like YOU said and I called you on.

with the fact a rebuilding year or 2 for our team still means we can possibly win the SB.

That's the problem-- this isn't a "rebuilding year". The Steelers were supposed to be a SB-ready team with a few kinks that needed to get worked out this last offseason.

Replacing two Olinemen, 1 WR, and 1 CB does not define a "rebuilding year".

I actually dont think we need to rely on ppl losing to make the play offs because the fact is we control our own destiny.

Yes, THE STEELERS do control their own destiny right now. Lose one more game though and that is not the case (depending on the results of the other games).

Something i know, so stop incinuating i dont know what i am talking about by stating assumptions (again) you clearly have no clue about.

Zzzzzzzzz.....

What you are doing is crying about the past games where we lost to crappy team so maybe you should atop dwellng on the past.

Those "past games" have a direct impact on what is happening right now. Your past championships have no bearing on where the Steelers are today.

And finally, nothing you "criticize" (or cry about) on this message board is going to make a difference to what the team does on sunday, sorry you seem to think it will (that is an assumption).

Sorry to point this out to you, professor, but nothing you say has anything to do with how they do this weekend either.

Given the two options, I prefer to remain realistic and objective about our chances and situation.

Ricco Suavez
12-12-2012, 05:02 PM
You are right, dude. We are not allowed to criticize our team when they lose repeatedly to sub-par, bottom-feeding franchises.

Those silly fair-weather fans....

You said it not I. Be serious for one minute, did anyone actually believe it would be a smooth transition from Arian to Haley and the offense. I am on here several times pointing just that fact out, and this was before the season began. We lost to Oakland on the west coast, something we have made a habit of for years not just Tomlin or just recently. We lost to Tenn at Nashville, another place that has given us fits. We lost both early and the running game and offense were not clicking. The only thing we had going was Ben playing great on third down. We lost to Denver at their place and thats another nightmare, you lose RC right off the bat and plus they are looking like an AFC contender right now.

So early on we are 6-3 and starting to click and I for one am feeling good. Now your QB gets hurt, our backup QB gets hurt and we were fortunate to win 1 of 3 they were out. Now Ben is back but rusty and basically the Defense took this game off. Face it things do not go as planned, injuries happen, bad calls happen, bad decisions happen when at the time it seems right. I love how everyone remembers Cowher in such a "fond" way but I was a reader of Steeler boards then and now, and it was just like today. The Bi-Polars were super high with the wins and ready to fire everyone and start over when we lose. I do not mind questioning decisions or gameplans but constant bellyaching turns me away from these boards until things have settled down. As far as Tomlin making or breaking the rest of the year, unless Tomlin wants to leave he will be here for some time.

Rotorhead
12-12-2012, 05:18 PM
Agaim you are assuming everything, mr english 101. I never atated anything, nor implied anything about past championships, so stop trying to put words in my mouth. I guess you stopped at english 101 and didnt go to critical reading as you have no readin comprehension skills. My POINT was this is as much of a rebuilding year you will see from the Steelers. Sorry youe english 101 class couldnt help you figure that out. So instead of assuming what you think to be true, try reading the post and understanding what is there. Plain and simple for you to understand, without adding assumptions, i dont care what happened last year, week month, etc. this team has a game to play this upcoming weekend and i hope they win. I think they will win it as well as the next 2. I also think the ravens will lose the next 3 which will win us the division. I am a fan of our team and always root and hope for our team to win. Sorry if that makes you upset because you cant root for them to do well, you cant see any good from any games, only the bad. That is a crappy way to live life.

Ricco Suavez
12-12-2012, 05:18 PM
I am not going to single out anyone but there are fans for every team who can do a better job of coaching, drafting, motivating, budgeting, and in general run their team than the PROFESSIONALS actually doing it. Nearly everyone wanted Arians gone, such an idiot, such a dumazz, completely ignorant of football knowledge, Well he is gone and it took him all of less than one week to have another job in the NFL,(BTW the Colts are doing pretty well with him whether you want to credit him or not, bet he gets rehired). Haley comes in and nearly everyone assumes our offense will produce 100 yard rushers every game not to mention 30+ points per game, I tried to caution that it would take time, just like all these new faces on the OL. We have had injuries like I for one have never seen, we get one back another drops, we have been playing 3rd level type players against NFL caliber teams. Now ya'll can downgrade Cleveland if you want but I see a team on the rise and they are going to be a force soon. Cincy has improved and could very well be good for years to come. The Ravens and us could lose our hold over the division sooner than we think. And as far as all of these "cellar dwellars" these teams do not just beat the Steelers occasionally, they also beat the Patriots (Cardinals) Giants (Eagles) and even the Texans went OT at home to the Jags. This is the NFL it happens, we may not even make the playoffs but I believe the Steeler organization will make changes that hopefullly puts them back on track.

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-12-2012, 05:36 PM
Agaim you are assuming everything, mr english 101. I never atated anything, nor implied anything about past championships, so stop trying to put words in my mouth.

You most certainly did. Be a man and own your statements.

When you tell someone they are being a crybaby because the team cant be a SB winner every year-- it is clearly implicit that you are depending on past victories and successes to justify or erase the failings of today.

I understand that we cannot be a SB team every season. But I am not willing to just shrug my shoulders and say "who cares?" about obvious issues on this team just becasue we won a bunch of championships in the past.

I guess you stopped at english 101 and didnt go to critical reading as you have no readin comprehension skills. My POINT was this is as much of a rebuilding year you will see from the Steelers.

If you don't mind my asking-- how long have you been watching the Steelers?

I certainly recall some 6-10 stinkers under Cowher during actual rebuilding years.

Replacing an offensive coordinator, 1 RB, 1 CB, and one or two Olinemen does not count as a rebuilding year for any team that I know of. Like I said, this was supposed to be a SB-ready team this year that just needed to improve in a few areas, not a team in rebuilding mode.


this team has a game to play this upcoming weekend and i hope they win. I think they will win it as well as the next 2.

I agree.

I also think the ravens will lose the next 3 which will win us the division.

I do not see the Ravens losing out to end the season, although I wouldn't shed too many tears if they did.

I am a fan of our team and always root and hope for our team to win. Sorry if that makes you upset because you cant root for them to do well, you cant see any good from any games, only the bad. That is a crappy way to live life.

You're the one putting words into others' mouths.

Being objective about my team, doesn't mean I am not cheering them on. I know you can do better than this....

Rotorhead
12-12-2012, 05:58 PM
Thats odd, all your quotes say steelers canada?

teegre
12-12-2012, 06:02 PM
Thats odd, all your quotes say steelers canada?

OMG!!! :toofunny:

Sorry, Riddle... but, that is pretty damn funny.

Rotorhead
12-12-2012, 06:05 PM
To set the record straight i was not trying to imply what you are saying. I am simply stating we cant win the SB every year, regardless of past performances. We have not played as well as i would have hoped on some occasions but we are in the process of moving to a younger team so in my eyes we are in transition or rebuilding. We have lost alot of our last SB team core and next year we will most likely lose more. Fortunatley for us, we wont dwell in the cellar for years at a time rebuilding as some teams do.

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-12-2012, 06:08 PM
Thats odd, all your quotes say steelers canada?

LOL. I was replying to SteelersCanada in another window, got some cross-chatter.

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-12-2012, 06:12 PM
To set the record straight i was not trying to imply what you are saying. I am simply stating we cant win the SB every year, regardless of past performances.

I know that. I read too deep into everything.

We have not played as well as i would have hoped on some occasions but we are in the process of moving to a younger team so in my eyes we are in transition or rebuilding. We have lost alot of our last SB team core and next year we will most likely lose more. Fortunatley for us, we wont dwell in the cellar for years at a time rebuilding as some teams do.

Thank you for being reasonable and not argumentative like me.

I actually agree with everything you have said here, I think we just ran into each other the wrong way initially.

Glad to put this stupid argument to rest-- not even sure what the topic originally was anymore 10 posts into this thing.

Edman
12-12-2012, 09:06 PM
Bill Cowher had three consecutive playoff-less seasons and two consecutive losing seasons to close out the 90's.

Mike T. has yet to have a losing season. Not saying the criticism is unwarranted, I don't like the guy's decisions sometimes either, but at the rate he's going it's going to be a mighty LONG time before he's shitcanned.

ChristianKustomz
12-12-2012, 09:57 PM
Our team has no discipline this year. However it has always been Pittsburgh M.O. to saddle down to horrible lousy teams. We play hard and win against significant difficult and hard teams with skill but flop when it comes to teams that are below us. I never understood it and never will.

I think the coaches are part to blame and the other part is on the half prepared, non flare, no passion and lazy undisciplined offense and players. Special teams is weak at best and they have not gone bact to Basics as Tomlin so predictably and repeatedly recoups every post game interview.

I am sick of Tomlin and the same excuses and same responses. I think he is part of the problem along with Todd Haley. There's no fire from the coaches. Just blow off excuses. "we take responsibility and we own this one" and "the standard is the standard" etc. you know...the Tomlin catch phrases.

We have Wallace who is an over paid track runner who couldn't even catch a cold if his life depended on it let alone when the game is on the line. Mendenhall who is equally bad. Leftwich and Batch...everyone over paid and useless. This whole season has proved that and there has been no improvement in my opinion from any of them. They all prove to be unprepared for the games they face and they are waaaayyyy to unpredictable. Championship teams don't play like this.

I am disgusted as a fan and I have more to say but its breaking my heart thinking of how bad we are playing and knowing the potential being thrown away and the talent that is just being wasted....

zcoop
12-12-2012, 10:09 PM
As long as Ben is our QB we can compete so I dont want to hear shit about rebuilding. If you think we are rebuilding then were screwed. By the time the players learn the new definsive system Ben will be retired or way past his prime. Everyone says it takes a few years to learn our defense correct? Pointless

With that said you wont hear me complain unless were eliminated from the playoffs. The steelers can surprise us all and really play like shit against some of the worst teams in the NFL but can also hang with the best of them. Some of you seem to think the season is over but as long as we have Ben and the best definsive coach in football we can winu the super bowl any season and I wouldnt be surprised to see us there again this year.

Once we totally crush Dallas im sure a lot of people will jump back on the wagon were they belong. Yes we have flaws like every other team out there but we have always played best when our backs are against the wall and everyone has counted us out. Come January were going to look at the Chargers game as our turning point. Were we hit bottom and and started swinging.

??? What happens when Ben leaves? Will that be the end of the franchise? I think not. Ben is good for the team but damn man, there will be QBs after him. You sound as if no one else can fill the QB slot. We're not and never will be a one trick pony.

Ben has done well for us and has a few more years, but there will be life after Ben.

jiminpa
12-13-2012, 07:28 AM
??? What happens when Ben leaves? Will that be the end of the franchise? I think not. Ben is good for the team but damn man, there will be QBs after him. You sound as if no one else can fill the QB slot. We're not and never will be a one trick pony.

Ben has done well for us and has a few more years, but there will be life after Ben.This^. My contention with Ben for years has been that he used to act like he was the team, and that when he retired there would be no more Steelers. Sorry, but he is just now good enough to be Bradshaw's towel boy, and the Steelers rolled on without Bradshaw. They will continue without BR.

SteeleReign
12-13-2012, 09:22 AM
It has nothing to do with the fact that the franchise quarterback went down. Or the fact that the second string went down as well. Oh, and before that, our defensive playmaker and best Safety in the NFL went down, as well as rotating in and out our Pro Bowl OLB's.

When this team was 6 - 3, we were absolutely rolling. You're sitting there with a straight face and telling me that the offense hasn't made drastic strides since week 1 playing in Denver? We had the number one offense on third downs until Roethlisberger went down. We had the ball for an average of 35 minutes a game - tied for second in the NFL - when he had Big Ben at the helm. After we beat the Giants, we had one of the best teams in the NFL - no question. Inexcusable losses to Tennessee and Oakland early in the season are beginning to come back and haunt us, but by midseason, we had one of the best teams in the league.

When Ben went down, things went down the tubes. Not having your franchise guy and instead, a third string quarterback, is a good way to derail any teams season. The fact that we're still in the conversation for a playoff spot shows the resilience of this team and the ability to fight through adversity.

This team has made significant strides since early in the season but shockingly, when Ben went down, it went off the rails. How about we keep the doomsday talk to a minimum until we've actually been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Maybe that's asking too much.

I can appreciate your points. But, lost in this is the fact that those "inexcusable losses" happened with BB at the helm. The big win at the Giants too. The big win at Baltimore with Batch. So, there is no CLEAR understanding to take from all of this, except that the team is neither prepared to be, and not built to be able to live up to Tomlin's "the standard is the standard" BS.

If Tomlin is going to make those statements after EVERY game, then he needs to make sure that the players are in place to live up to it. He and KC haven't done that. It's gotten to the point where the fans no longer buy that crap. So, you KNOW the players don't believe it either.

So, what I take from this rollercoaster season? The HC and the Front Office have failed to prepare this team either through the draft or free agency, or through training camp and game prep, to handle adversity - whether it's injuries or otherwise.

maddog78
12-13-2012, 09:58 AM
This^. My contention with Ben for years has been that he used to act like he was the team, and that when he retired there would be no more Steelers. Sorry, but he is just now good enough to be Bradshaw's towel boy, and the Steelers rolled on without Bradshaw. They will continue without BR.

Oh my, where to start. Just now good enough to be Bradshaw's towel boy? Did you watch the first five years of TB's career?

And exactly how did the Steelers roll on without TB? They rolled to a bunch of bad to mediocre seasons in the 80s, followed by some good teams that were always shy a franchise QB the next fifteen years.

SteelersCanada
12-13-2012, 10:54 AM
This^. My contention with Ben for years has been that he used to act like he was the team, and that when he retired there would be no more Steelers. Sorry, but he is just now good enough to be Bradshaw's towel boy, and the Steelers rolled on without Bradshaw. They will continue without BR.

Well, I think congratulations are in order. This might possibly be the dumbest thing ever written in English. I mean, that's a pretty impressive achievement.

Rotorhead
12-13-2012, 12:39 PM
Unforunately its not the dumbest, i mesn we did have a Ravens fan state Flacco was good, just sayin

Steel95
12-14-2012, 04:36 PM
It has nothing to do with the fact that the franchise quarterback went down. Or the fact that the second string went down as well. Oh, and before that, our defensive playmaker and best Safety in the NFL went down, as well as rotating in and out our Pro Bowl OLB's.

When this team was 6 - 3, we were absolutely rolling. You're sitting there with a straight face and telling me that the offense hasn't made drastic strides since week 1 playing in Denver? We had the number one offense on third downs until Roethlisberger went down. We had the ball for an average of 35 minutes a game - tied for second in the NFL - when he had Big Ben at the helm. After we beat the Giants, we had one of the best teams in the NFL - no question. Inexcusable losses to Tennessee and Oakland early in the season are beginning to come back and haunt us, but by midseason, we had one of the best teams in the league.

When Ben went down, things went down the tubes. Not having your franchise guy and instead, a third string quarterback, is a good way to derail any teams season. The fact that we're still in the conversation for a playoff spot shows the resilience of this team and the ability to fight through adversity.

This team has made significant strides since early in the season but shockingly, when Ben went down, it went off the rails. How about we keep the doomsday talk to a minimum until we've actually been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Maybe that's asking too much.


You make a great point; but tell me, who made the decision to keep Leftwich and Charlie Batch? Why is it that this team simply doesn't seem to be focus when they play teams of lesser talent? I'm going with the Head Coach. It is his responsibility to ensure this team is focus and ready to go. I'm curious to see if Tomlin brings back Leftwitch again next season. I've said it before, I don't think this guy has a keen eye for judging talent at all. Byron Leftwitch?

I still recall the game against Baltimore in Pittsburgh; Leftwitch takes off running, gets into the endzone, falls down, and he is injured. Give Me a (BLEEP) Break!!!! Nobody even touched this guy, he falls down, and he's injured. He's not durable at all, why is he still on the team? Somebody! Somebody please explain that to me.