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SteelersCanada
12-12-2012, 12:38 PM
I know this is looking past this season - something I don't believe is lost - but I've been thinking about this for a while. Simply put, would you trade Mike Wallace for Brandon Flowers?

Now, I know this is going to confuse a lot of you so let's take a step back. Earlier on this year (roughly 4 weeks ago) Brandon Flowers expressed his frustration with the Chiefs and reportedly wanted out of Kansas City. This got me interested when I first heard it because Brandon Flowers is arguably a top 5 DB wasting away on a secondary that is built on himself and Eric Berry. He's playing on a truly bad team that is going to need 2 - 3 years to rebuild to even be in the conversation of taking the AFC West.

Now, we all know about Mikey. A lot of the guys on here love to put hate on him and, in my opinion, scapegoat him for losses. Sure, he's dropped a couple balls and the reports of him asking for Larry Fitzgerald money put a sour taste in our mouths', but he's still a very, very good deep threat. He was consistent early on in his career and this lead to him being Ben's #1 receiving target for years. Now, however, it seems like on a weekly basis he's playing himself out of Pittsburgh and this is where I think we can have a mutual agreement with the Chiefs.

The Chiefs are about to lose Dwayne Bowe - there's no getting around this. Who do they have behind him? Well, no one, really. There's no talent behind Bowe for the Chiefs to build on - yet. All signs are pointing to them ending up with the number one overall pick and taking someone like Geno Smith to help build a franchise around. In order to build a franchise around a quarterback, getting receiver help has to be the number one priority. They already have a Jamaal Charles in place at running back and grabbing someone like Mike Wallace would give Geno a legitimate deep threat. On top of that, Bowe might be interested in staying in Kansas City assuming they grab a new franchise quarterback and get the help of someone like Mike Wallace.

He won't come free, however. In order for them to get Mikey, they'd have to give up someone like Brandon Flowers in return. Look, the Chiefs need help on both sides of the ball but getting a legitimate receiving target for Smith has to be priority number one for the Chiefs. In return, I do think they'd be willing to part with someone like Brandon Flowers. This would bolster an already great secondary and would instantly start across from Ike Taylor. Sure, Keenan has had a great year but I'd take Flowers over Lewis in a heartbeat. This, combined with the fact that Ike Taylor isn't getting any younger makes the transition and ultimately retirement of Taylor easier to stomach. This ensures that we do in fact reload our secondary and not have to spend a high draft pick rebuilding it.

He's being paid like a top flight corner because he is a top flight corner. He's being paid roughly 8 million dollars this year, and around 9.6 million next year. This is quite the cap hit, but I'm sure Omar Khan could work his magic and make most of that into a signing bonus, giving us room to resign our other impending free agents and, dare I say it, go into the FA pool.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/brandon-flowers/

With the depth at WR and the emergence of Emmanuel Sanders to make a big catch when we need it most, coupled with the fact that Wallace doesn't really fit our scheme anymore, makes this trade almost a no-brainer for the Steelers to pull off. We'd have to sign a deal with Wallace that Kansas City would have to o.k, but I think that's just semantics. This trade would be great for both sides and we would ultimately end up with a legitimate shut down corner opposite Taylor. More importantly, a guy that knows how to bring in balls and create turnovers. The Chiefs could quite possibly end up with both Mike Wallace and Dwayne Bowe if this were to happen which, again, gives the Chiefs something to start with when they're building around Smith.

StainlessStill
12-12-2012, 12:42 PM
Wallace is gone. That is a very viable situation and one I can possibly see happening. WR's are replaceable. Corners are hard to come by. I say yes, I'd take Flowers in a damn heartbeat.

pete74
12-12-2012, 12:46 PM
I like the trade but there is no way Geno Smith is going round 1

Fire Haley
12-12-2012, 12:46 PM
I don't play fantasy Madden GM till the season is officially over but I can't see Wallace signing with the Steelers on the cheap either - he's gone.

Darkstorm05
12-12-2012, 12:58 PM
I don't play fantasy Madden GM till the season is officially over but I can't see Wallace signing with the Steelers on the cheap either - he's gone.

The way his season is going, I'm actually thinking his possibility to stay might be going up. The first half of the season I think we all figured he was way overpriced and would be leaving for a huge contract elsewhere. Now, however, I think his value is really taking damage from his drops, lack of fire, and even his little press quotes whining that he needs more throws.

Last year nobody felt he was worth a 1st rounder. He surely hasn't done anything to raise that pricetag this season. If things continue as is, it wouldn't shock me if we offer a deal identical to the one Brown got, only to see him take it when nobody else shows interest in matching it.

PhantomJB93
12-12-2012, 01:01 PM
I would do that in a heartbeat. Flowers is one of the best shutdown corners in the league and is extremely underrated.

(Plus, he's a Hokie :P)

kent
12-12-2012, 01:06 PM
A good QB can make receivers good, just look at all the no-names brady has thrown to in his career. Shutdown corners are hard to come by so yes I would make that trade. Its not going to happen though, Wallace and Mendenhall are gone after the season.

JeromeBetties63
12-12-2012, 01:09 PM
I would have kept Hines Ward on the roster as the 5th receiver. Then Wallace wouldn't be playing like a prima donna, AB would be fulfilling his potential and the rest of the guys would be busting their hides. HInes wanted to play, we should have kept him. He would have been worth the roster spot for his influence and leadership. Plus he would have given us another option besides Heath with sure hands on 3rd down.

SteelersCanada
12-12-2012, 01:10 PM
A good QB can make receivers good, just look at all the no-names brady has thrown to in his career. Shutdown corners are hard to come by so yes I would make that trade. Its not going to happen though, Wallace and Mendenhall are gone after the season.

I understand that, but working a longterm deal out with him that Kansas City would agree to and then trading him away would fit both sides. I think the impending franchise tag threat would be enough for the Chiefs to make this deal. That, and the fact that Bowe might again be interested in staying with the Chiefs if they were to be aggressive and pull of a trade like this.

Bayz101
12-12-2012, 01:14 PM
I like the trade but there is no way Geno Smith is going round 1

Both him AND Matt Barkley can go in the top ten.

kent
12-12-2012, 01:28 PM
Both him AND Matt Barkley can go in the top ten.

I dont see Geno going top ten. Barkley will just because of how high a priority Qb is.

SteelersCanada
12-12-2012, 01:31 PM
Let's not derail this into a draft thread here guys.

Millers the sh!t
12-12-2012, 01:59 PM
Heart beat..... Fuck Wallace. The Guys a punk......

teegre
12-12-2012, 02:00 PM
I like the idea.

Not that I think that the team needs a CB (I see other positions that I'd rather trade for: OLB, ILB)... but, two disgruntled players ending up in new surroundings sounds like a win-win.

Two hurdles:

1. Trades are rare in the NFL.

2. Wallace is a UFA. He would ahve to be signed to a deal (even a franchise tag), and THEN traded... which is a difficult thing to do (trading a player not "under contract").

BUT... when dealing with disgruntled players, trades do happen (Bettis, Faulk< Marhsall).

I'll contact Colbert & Khan. :wink02:

casteeler
12-12-2012, 02:27 PM
I would trade him for a Dozen red roses :funny:

WVABE
12-12-2012, 02:34 PM
or a dozen twolips.



sounds like a blast to me.

OX1947
12-12-2012, 03:59 PM
I would trade Wallace for a lifetime supply of Charmin toilet paper.

kent
12-12-2012, 04:02 PM
I would trade him for Santonio Holmes

Fire Arians
12-12-2012, 04:52 PM
I would trade him for Santonio Holmes

come on man

steelfury02
12-12-2012, 05:01 PM
if they had half a brain they wouldn't offer Wallace even Brown money. Offer him a 3 year 16.5 million contract or let him go and leave it at that

pete74
12-12-2012, 06:33 PM
Both him AND Matt Barkley can go in the top ten.

No way is he top 10. Maybe round 3. I would put up anything to bet he wont ever make is as a starter in the nfl.

SteelersCanada
12-12-2012, 06:46 PM
No way is he top 10. Maybe round 3. I would put up anything to bet he wont ever make is as a starter in the nfl.

You realize that he's the highest rated quarterback in this draft, right? Most boards have him going number one to the Chiefs because of his athleticism and accuracy. Say what you want, but he has an arm and he's made a living at that school throwing to average and mediocre WRs. He'll be the number one overall pick if the Chiefs have the first selection. Being completely honest, I don't know why he wasn't in the Heisman conversation at the end of the season. He played on an absolute trash team throwing to Tavon Austin and that's it. The fact that Klein was in the final 3 was an absolute travesty.

He won't get out of the top 5. Barkley, on the other hand, will probably slide to round 2 after his performance this year at USC. There's a better chance we'll trade Roethlisberger than Smith sliding out of the top 5.

Now, back on topic, I'd love for this trade to happen but I'm leaning towards the idea that in the end, we're going to keep and sign Wallace. I'm ok with both scenarios.

Steelersfan4life0655
12-12-2012, 07:47 PM
i would trade wallace for flowers. but it wont happen. i think wallace is gone at the end of the year.

SH-Rock
12-12-2012, 08:02 PM
I think he will come back. He hasn't really produced, but he has a good track record. Players have bad years, and maybe if we franchise tag him and bring him back, sees what he does next year and make our decision.

Fire Arians
12-12-2012, 08:05 PM
I think he will come back. He hasn't really produced, but he has a good track record. Players have bad years, and maybe if we franchise tag him and bring him back, sees what he does next year and make our decision.

not worth the tag value. is he producing as a top 5 wr? no, and so he shouldnt get paid that much.

Steel95
12-12-2012, 08:51 PM
Mike Wallace and Mendy are gone! Good riddens to both of them.

SteelersCanada
12-12-2012, 09:08 PM
I think I worded this poorly. I'll try to explain it a little bit clearer:

Mike Wallace gets resigned by the Steelers for the sole purpose of being traded to the Chiefs. The Chiefs have to o.k the deal, and would in return, send Brandon Flowers our way. I'm not suggesting that Mike gets resigned and then we just stumble on a possible trade partner, but we'd work with the Chiefs on negotiating a contract they deemed fair and wouldn't mind taking on.

I'm not asking to bring him back, quite the opposite. If this is a possibility - which, I honestly think it is - we'd have the best secondary in football. Period. If we draft well, too, we could possibly be looking at a defense very similar to the '05 Steelers - dominate in all facets of the game.

teegre
12-12-2012, 11:05 PM
I think I worded this poorly. I'll try to explain it a little bit clearer:

Mike Wallace gets resigned by the Steelers for the sole purpose of being traded to the Chiefs. The Chiefs have to o.k the deal, and would in return, send Brandon Flowers our way. I'm not suggesting that Mike gets resigned and then we just stumble on a possible trade partner, but we'd work with the Chiefs on negotiating a contract they deemed fair and wouldn't mind taking on.

I'm not asking to bring him back, quite the opposite. If this is a possibility - which, I honestly think it is - we'd have the best secondary in football. Period. If we draft well, too, we could possibly be looking at a defense very similar to the '05 Steelers - dominate in all facets of the game.

I got what you meant.

I was just pointing out that achieving a trade is difficult enough... adding the extra burden of trading a player who has to "agree to a franchise tag/agree to a new contract" before he can be traded is doubly as difficult.

That said, if Faulk can rush for 1,000 & receive 1,000 and still be traded, then ANYTHING can be done.

Again, I like the idea.

Disgruntled for disgruntled = win-win.

SteelersCanada
12-12-2012, 11:19 PM
I got what you meant.

I was just pointing out that achieving a trade is difficult enough... adding the extra burden of trading a player who has to "agree to a franchise tag/agree to a new contract" before he can be traded is doubly as difficult.

That said, if Faulk can rush for 1,000 & receive 1,000 and still be traded, then ANYTHING can be done.

Again, I like the idea.

Disgruntled for disgruntled = win-win.

Oh absolutely. The extra details of hammering out a contract prior to him being traded would be a hassle and adding the fact that Kansas City would have to agree to it would make it painstakingly bad.

I really, really hope something like this happens. You're absolutely right, a disgruntled for a disgruntled would be best for these guys. Often times a change of scenery can bring out the best in a player, and I think that is what will happen here. Geno can throw to Mike, while Brandon can pick off Joey. :thumbsup:

IowaSteeler927
12-13-2012, 03:09 AM
I'd trade Mike Wallace for a 5-7th round draft pick at this point. No excuses should be made for his lack of work ethic, dropped passes, and failure to focus. He believes himself good enough to make the same kind of money as Larry Fitzgerald and then comes out and plays like absolute garbage. Mike Wallace is a fast guy with mediocre hands, mediocre blocking ability, and mediocre work ethic. He's had many opportunities this season to step up his game and he can't even catch balls that hit him square in the numbers. After this season I'd like to see him and good ol' Mendenhall either get flat out cut, or traded off for shitty draft pics like their buddy Santonio over in NY. IF we could get Brandon Flowers for Mike Wallace I'd be tickled pink because the Chiefs would be getting ripped off in that trade. I don't see the Chiefs wanting a smaller, faster version of Dwayne Bowe though.