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maddog78
12-14-2012, 08:00 AM
Not a good one.

This and last year's defenses are the most overrated in Steeler history. Contain, umbrella, prevent, and a paucity of big plays.

The Steelers swiped nine passes in the 11-game 1940 season that stands as their low-water mark, according to research by Steelers Digest. Unless they come up with two more over the next three games -- a big order for them the past two seasons -- they will go down in history as the worst team in the 80 years of the franchise at picking off passes.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-defense-is-no-longer-the-havoc-wreaking-turnover-machine-it-once-was-666329/#ixzz2F2CsCWAF

steelfury02
12-14-2012, 08:17 AM
Not a good one.

This and last year's defenses are the most overrated in Steeler history. Contain, umbrella, prevent, and a paucity of big plays.

The Steelers swiped nine passes in the 11-game 1940 season that stands as their low-water mark, according to research by Steelers Digest. Unless they come up with two more over the next three games -- a big order for them the past two seasons -- they will go down in history as the worst team in the 80 years of the franchise at picking off passes.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-defense-is-no-longer-the-havoc-wreaking-turnover-machine-it-once-was-666329/#ixzz2F2CsCWAF

Yea. Currently not my point of pride with the Steelers.

ZoneBlitzer
12-14-2012, 12:34 PM
This is true. Lewis and Ike are absolutely terrible at catching the ball. I don't understand why these guys especially Ike can't develop that part of his game.

Cyphon
12-14-2012, 12:56 PM
Overall our turnover ratio has been bad or awful the last 2 years and that definitely has to change. They continue to call our defense number 1 in the NFL but those numbers are so faulty it is ridiculous. On top of that we are failing to get to the QB consistently which is another big point of concern. Pressures and sacks help lead to turnovers so I don't know that I would put it on Ike's hands or on the DB's. They are partially at fault as they have dropped a few this year but the LB's need to get the quarterbacks.

That isn't just for interceptions either. A lot of fumbles can come from getting to the QB as well.

torpedoshell31
12-14-2012, 12:59 PM
This is true. Lewis and Ike are absolutely terrible at catching the ball. I don't understand why these guys especially Ike can't develop that part of his game.

I remember my first year of playing football when I was 12 years old, I had a pass thrown to me and it hit my facemask and fell to the ground. Everyone in the crowd laughed at me, including Karen the cheerleader I was in love with. In my shame I vowed that I would never drop another pass again. Throughout JR. High, JV and varsity football, I never dropped another pass.
Now if a 12 year old, no talent kid at a small single A school can have this resolve. Why can't these world class professional athletes like Ike or Mike Wallace simply catch the ball. It's the easiest part of their game.

WVABE
12-14-2012, 01:09 PM
Well, we had the worst O-line in to ever win a SB, so why not a secondary with 10 thumbs on each hand.
It does aggrevate the shit out of me to watch them drop the ball, but not as bad as the wide recievers.

steelfury02
12-14-2012, 01:11 PM
Well, we had the worst O-line in to ever win a SB, so why not a secondary with 10 thumbs on each hand.
It does aggrevate the shit out of me to watch them drop the ball, but not as bad as the wide recievers.

who knows, maybe we'll be the first team to win a SB without completing 1 pass play in the game!?!?!

Or, probably not . . .

Fire Arians
12-14-2012, 01:31 PM
we probably set a franchise record in losses to sub .500 teams this year

steelersfan299
12-14-2012, 02:54 PM
Our defense is pretty overated, our defensive line isn't that good, James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley have combined for only 8 sacks, and part of our secondary struggled without Troy Polamalu.

However I am impressed with Lawrence Timmons this year and Keenan Lewis is doing a little better then i thought he would.

SteelersCanada
12-14-2012, 03:28 PM
Throughout JR. High, JV and varsity football, I never dropped another pass. Now if a 12 year old, no talent kid at a small single A school can have this resolve. Why can't these world class professional athletes like Ike or Mike Wallace simply catch the ball. It's the easiest part of their game.

JV and high school quarterbacks =/= NFL talent quarterbacks in terms of how hard they're throwing that ball. They're corners because they're fast and agile, but also have the knack for dropping the ball. If they had the talent to catch, they'd be WRs.

Our defense is pretty overated, our defensive line isn't that good, James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley have combined for only 8 sacks, and part of our secondary struggled without Troy Polamalu.

However I am impressed with Lawrence Timmons this year and Keenan Lewis is doing a little better then i thought he would.

You realize our secondary was ranked first in terms of pass yardage allowed, right? All without Polamalu. Also, regarding Woodley only having a limited amount of sacks - there's two reasons for this. One, early in the year he was getting triple-teamed because Harrison couldn't generate any pressure on the right side. I'd like to see any OLB fight through a triple team and get consistent pressure and/or sacks. Secondly, he's been hurt on-and-off for the majority of the year.

I'm not even going to comment on the overrated defense because it's a ridiculous thing to say.

pete74
12-14-2012, 03:46 PM
JV and high school quarterbacks =/= NFL talent quarterbacks in terms of how hard they're throwing that ball. They're corners because they're fast and agile, but also have the knack for dropping the ball. If they had the talent to catch, they'd be WRs.



You realize our secondary was ranked first in terms of pass yardage allowed, right? All without Polamalu. Also, regarding Woodley only having a limited amount of sacks - there's two reasons for this. One, early in the year he was getting triple-teamed because Harrison couldn't generate any pressure on the right side. I'd like to see any OLB fight through a triple team and get consistent pressure and/or sacks. Secondly, he's been hurt on-and-off for the majority of the year.

I'm not even going to comment on the overrated defense because it's a ridiculous thing to say.

I would like to see game tape were Woodley was getting tripled becsuse I dont recall seeing that.

SteelersCanada
12-14-2012, 04:02 PM
I would like to see game tape were Woodley was getting tripled becsuse I dont recall seeing that.

Go watch the first three games of the season again. It's more apparent in the Jets game which can be attributed to their horrible offensive line, but nonetheless, he was in fact triple teamed.

Steeldude
12-14-2012, 05:35 PM
Not a good one.

This and last year's defenses are the most overrated in Steeler history. Contain, umbrella, prevent, and a paucity of big plays.

The Steelers swiped nine passes in the 11-game 1940 season that stands as their low-water mark, according to research by Steelers Digest. Unless they come up with two more over the next three games -- a big order for them the past two seasons -- they will go down in history as the worst team in the 80 years of the franchise at picking off passes.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-defense-is-no-longer-the-havoc-wreaking-turnover-machine-it-once-was-666329/#ixzz2F2CsCWAF

Big cushions and no one rushing will result in few INTs.

Steeldude
12-14-2012, 05:39 PM
Also, regarding Woodley only having a limited amount of sacks - there's two reasons for this. One, early in the year he was getting triple-teamed because Harrison couldn't generate any pressure on the right side. I'd like to see any OLB fight through a triple team and get consistent pressure and/or sacks.

Woodley was not triple-teamed. He is rarely doubled.

SteelersCanada
12-14-2012, 06:26 PM
Woodley was not triple-teamed. He is rarely doubled.

Again, he really, really was. They could take Harrison one-on-one early in the season, and had the RG and RT take Woodley while having Greene chip Woodley and get out into the flat. It happened more than once during the Jets game. Pin the blame on who you will - Hood and Keisel not generating pressure, Hampton not requiring double-teams, Harrison being injured, etc. - but even when he wasn't 100% they still recognized that he requires to be at least doubled. When he wasn't, he got to Sanchez all game.

When he has a healthy hammy, he's one of the best LOLB in the NFL.

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-14-2012, 07:09 PM
Again, he really, really was. They could take Harrison one-on-one early in the season, and had the RG and RT take Woodley while having Greene chip Woodley and get out into the flat. It happened more than once during the Jets game. Pin the blame on who you will - Hood and Keisel not generating pressure, Hampton not requiring double-teams, Harrison being injured, etc. - but even when he wasn't 100% they still recognized that he requires to be at least doubled. When he wasn't, he got to Sanchez all game.

When he has a healthy hammy, he's one of the best LOLB in the NFL.

I never saw him being triple-teamed, but I generally agree with what you are saying. I don't think we even had Harrison for the Jets game did we? Is my memory that flawed?......getting old.

Would be nice to have both Woodley and Harison at 100% or near it, and on the field at the same time for a change. haven't felt that buzz since early 2010.

Harrison is geting there, but since now Woodley has been out, Harrison has been getting the usual double-team/armbar/chokehold.

maddog78
12-15-2012, 09:15 AM
This is true. Lewis and Ike are absolutely terrible at catching the ball. I don't understand why these guys especially Ike can't develop that part of his game.

It's not just that, it's the scheme. They're coached to "tackle the catch". Trying to think of an INT where someone jumped a route. I remember a couple overthrows that Clark caught. One got tipped right to a LB, too.

And then there are fumbles. 4 or 5 recoveries all year. You never see people ripping at the ball or putting a hat on it.

SteeleReign
12-15-2012, 09:22 AM
It ALL boils down to pressure on the QB. Doesn't even need to be a sack - just constant, unstoppable, pissed-off mayhem. When the front side of the defense does this, turnovers follow.

Unfortunately, this defense is either too old, too injured, or too inexperienced to create that mayhem. Mean & nasty playmakers are needed to resurrect the D.

steelerchad
12-15-2012, 09:27 AM
Not being able to catch is only a small part of the lack of turnovers problem. The real issue the last 2 years has been that we simply don't produce pressure anymore.
We used to force a QB into bad throws, sack fumbles, and if he did complete one, someone was there to separate man from ball immediately.

The problem is pressure and not having our playmakers on the field together, healthy. In the last 30 games over the past 2 seasons, I'm not sure if we've had our 3 "playmakers" on the field together healthy for even 1 game. (Harrison, Polamalu, Woodley).

tanda10506
12-15-2012, 01:35 PM
Woodley gets doubled and occasionally triple teamed when he rushes. Problem is they have him in coverage 75% of the time so unless your watching closing you won't see it. As for the CB's not being able to catch the ball, I guess that's why they are CB's. What's really irritating is that Wallace's hands are worse then their's. There's no question the tremendous lack of TO's over the last 2 years have killed us, and there's no one explanation. Bottom line is the entire defense plays like shit unless they get totally pumped up for a game like the Ravens and Giants, then they are one of the best in the league. A good coach should not have an inconsistent team when that team is made up of mostly veteran players who have won championships.

TRH
12-15-2012, 04:56 PM
its not only picking off passes.

I know we're a good "tackling" team and the team is taught to "get them DOWN"....but they're no stripping the ball either....zero. We don't cause fumbles near as much as we should. Watch teams such as Chicago and NE. Every tackle they're clawing, reaching, poking, trying to strip. I sure wish we did that.

jiminpa
12-15-2012, 07:59 PM
its not only picking off passes.

I know we're a good "tackling" team and the team is taught to "get them DOWN"....but they're no stripping the ball either....zero. We don't cause fumbles near as much as we should. Watch teams such as Chicago and NE. Every tackle they're clawing, reaching, poking, trying to strip. I sure wish we did that....and any good ball carrier will keep right on running while their going after the ball. It's not like it used to be where one guy could stand the ball carrier up and the next guy strip the ball, that's a flag and a fine now. If I had to choose I'd rather the defense absolutely smoother an opponent and get turnovers second. Yeah, both would be great. I'll take a shut down defense over one that goes for luck and can be beat by luck too. We may not have either option with the backups to the backups playing in the secondary.

ZoneBlitzer
12-15-2012, 08:45 PM
It's not just that, it's the scheme. They're coached to "tackle the catch". Trying to think of an INT where someone jumped a route. I remember a couple overthrows that Clark caught. One got tipped right to a LB, too.

And then there are fumbles. 4 or 5 recoveries all year. You never see people ripping at the ball or putting a hat on it.

Yes that is true but I recall several occasions this year where balls have been thrown directly to our CBs and they just plainly muffed it and dropped the ball. That is the most infuriating thing. I believe that it even cost us a game.

TheVet
12-15-2012, 11:08 PM
I love Woodley, his play has been great this year. But LOL at him being triple-teamed. Seriously, I don't think that ever happened unless it was an accidental mixup on some play, and maybe it caught Canada's eye and he overinterpreted.

SteelersCanada
12-15-2012, 11:09 PM
I love Woodley, but LOL at him being triple-teamed. That never happened.

It hasn't happened since early in the season when Harrison was ineffective. RG, RT and the RB would chip and head to the flat. While that may not be 'triple-teamed' as I might have suggested, it's three guys at one point being on Woodley. Call it what you will, but Harrison was getting one-on-one and Woodley required the attention of three separate guys.

Hawaii 5-0
12-15-2012, 11:11 PM
Yes that is true but I recall several occasions this year where balls have been thrown directly to our CBs and they just plainly muffed it and dropped the ball. That is the most infuriating thing. I believe that it even cost us a game.

our CBs having hands of stone did cost us a game, if Keenan Lewis makes that interception we beat the Titans.