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uclkyle
12-16-2012, 07:46 PM
Name three positions you would like to see upgraded next year, either via draft or FA, I'll start....

1) Inside linebacker. Foote has been OK, but we can upgrade. I also think Timmons is playing out of position. Maybe he can eventually replace Harrison too, when he hangs it up. Neither Timmons nor Foote seems to be able to consistently make big plays.

2) Wide Receiver. A position that once seemed so deep, suddenly lacks playmakers. No one seems to be able to get open the last few games and these guys struggle against bump coverage. With Wallace leaving, I'm afraid we are going to need another big playmaker.

3) Safety. Ryan Clark is having a career year, but he isn't getting any younger. Troy's best days are clearly behind him. It's time to address this position, Golden and Allen don't cut it as backups. I think CB will be ok. Very deep there. When Ike and Lewis are both healthy, they are fine, as are their backups.

Fire Arians
12-16-2012, 07:46 PM
i disagree, #1 is running back. opposing defenses will not respect the run if they have dwyer/redman to worry about. neither of those guys are going to kill you.

the offense could be scary good if we had a respectable running game, but do not.

Neil-Still-Rules-14
12-16-2012, 07:47 PM
Running back...

MillerMania83
12-16-2012, 07:50 PM
Running Back...The situation we have now at he position is SAD...Everytime I think Redman might be the guy, he either gets hurt or fumbles...We need a stud running back SO BAD, and that will only help Ben and the passing game.

uclkyle
12-16-2012, 07:51 PM
IMHO, if you have a franchise QB (Ben), you can get away with plugging in RBs. Look at NE, GB, the Giants to a certain extent.....I just think we have more pressing needs.

Terminator
12-16-2012, 07:52 PM
Running Back, bar none.

casteeler
12-16-2012, 07:53 PM
Secondary, Troy needs to hang it up and this team needs to acquire at least 2 CBs. The Secondary is awful even with the Starters. How in the world is this team ranked #1?

Blackout
12-16-2012, 07:55 PM
Running Back...The situation we have now at he position is SAD...Everytime I think Redman might be the guy, he either gets hurt or fumbles...We need a stud running back SO BAD, and that will only help Ben and the passing game.

Helps when you have a decent O-line to open up holes for the RB to run through...

GoFor7
12-16-2012, 07:55 PM
Secondary, Troy needs to hang it up and this team needs to acquire at least 2 CBs. The Secondary is awful even with the Starters. How in the world is this team ranked #1?

Because the offense possessed the ball for long periods of time. When that happens, a defense only has about 25 mins to lose a game.

WVABE
12-16-2012, 07:57 PM
Definitely wide receiver- a receiver with balls like Cotchery.
Linebackers- with grips that can crush a skull.
QB's- they must have brains. (keep Charlie)

casteeler
12-16-2012, 07:58 PM
Because the offense possessed the ball for long periods of time. When that happens, a defense only has about 25 mins to lose a game.

Point taken

MillerMania83
12-16-2012, 07:59 PM
Helps when you have a decent O-line to open up holes for the RB to run through...

The O-line is young and is only going to get better....Look at the game today, Dal O-line didn't open huge holes today, but an elite back like Demarco Murry makes something happen out of nothing more times than not....Thats what a top RB does....And Pittsburgh doesnt have one.

VegasStlrFan
12-16-2012, 08:00 PM
Oline, linebacker, QB

Fire Arians
12-16-2012, 08:06 PM
IMHO, if you have a franchise QB (Ben), you can get away with plugging in RBs. Look at NE, GB, the Giants to a certain extent.....I just think we have more pressing needs.

ben isn't tom brady or aaron rodgers, he's more of an elway type of qb, who didn't win anything until he had terrell davis

Cyphon
12-16-2012, 08:13 PM
1. Secondary. You can pick between Safety and CB. I am looking future and not immediate.

Safety - Troy and Clark are 2 of the best in the league so right now we are fine. Allen seems a pretty capable backup and I think he is pretty young. So we may be okay with him. Mundy I have never liked and still don't like. He can hit but half the time he draws penalties doing it and his coverage sucks. So 1 or 2 safeties for the future.

CB - I am a little less worried here because we are young and we don't know how are players are developing. Lewis stepped up and with injuries some others are getting experience and may be fairly strong next year. Still, I think any and all depth here is good because this has almost always been our biggest weakness.

2. D line - 2 of our 3 are likely close to retirement. So getting young here is a definite need as well as more depth. We have some young guys but once are oldies are gone we need some people behind them. So this is definitely somewhere to start adding next year.

3. QB/LB - I put these both because I am a bit torn. I never worry about our linebackers because they are almost always some of the best in the NFL. Woodley and Timmons are both pretty good and still pretty young. Foote and Harrison have some age to them but we also have some people in development already.

QB is sort of similar. Ben should still have a few good years and maybe more. Still, both of his backups are old and it would be nice to have some youth we can develop and maybe even find a diamond in the rough.


I also want to comment on people talking about RB. No No No. That would be a complete waste to do that. Redman can (likely) carry the full load. Our coaches haven't given him the chance so that is on them. Behind him we have 2 young guys in Rainey and Batch. Rainey isn't a full load guy but Batch may be given the chance. Redman is almost 30 though, so age may become an issue with him.

Dwyer I am not sold on. He doesn't seem to want it as much as the others and there are always questions of him coming out of the game and being out of shape. I say keep the other 3 and get rid of Mendy and Dwyer. And MAYBE look late in the draft for someone who fell low for some reason or another that we can look past. Anything higher than that is an absolute waste.

Fire Arians
12-16-2012, 08:14 PM
dwyer sucks and redman is proving that he's not durable enough to be a feature back. mendenhall basically punched his ticket out of pittsburgh so we have a need there.

ive seen dwyer have monster holes opened for him early in the game but he totally didn't see it, he's not a good running back

Steelerindc
12-16-2012, 08:15 PM
Name three positions you would like to see upgraded next year, either via draft or FA, I'll start....

1) Inside linebacker. Foote has been OK, but we can upgrade. I also think Timmons is playing out of position. Maybe he can eventually replace Harrison too, when he hangs it up. Neither Timmons nor Foote seems to be able to consistently make big plays.

2) Wide Receiver. A position that once seemed so deep, suddenly lacks playmakers. No one seems to be able to get open the last few games and these guys struggle against bump coverage. With Wallace leaving, I'm afraid we are going to need another big playmaker.

3) Safety. Ryan Clark is having a career year, but he isn't getting any younger. Troy's best days are clearly behind him. It's time to address this position, Golden and Allen don't cut it as backups. I think CB will be ok. Very deep there. When Ike and Lewis are both healthy, they are fine, as are their backups.

1) Timmons is the only LB that is really making an impact on Defense, let me rephrase the only PLAYER making an impact on defense.

2) Don't need younger ones just ones that can beat bump coverage. I don't think any rookie in college right now would fit that bill.

3) That's where I agree, but Ike isn't getting any younger either. CB is a position that needs to be addressed.

4) RB is a position of dire need, these Backs of ours can't get the job done.

steelersfan299
12-16-2012, 08:16 PM
I disagree at safety, we just need a more solid backup. Or we could use someone who's going to take time to develop in to a great player and can develop during Clark and Polamalu injuries and then when they retire this person can start and do their thing.

Steelerindc
12-16-2012, 08:19 PM
The real question is why didn't they get Heath more involved in the game in the second half. Who was the genius that didn't call plays for the tight end that pretty much carried you through the 1st. half.

Cyphon
12-16-2012, 08:22 PM
redman is proving that he's not durable enough to be a feature back.

We don't know this. He has had 1 injury in his career so far IIRC. He had the Giants game with 50-60 total plays and came out of that fine.

You may be right but we have no way to know.

steelersfan299
12-16-2012, 08:25 PM
The real question is why didn't they get Heath more involved in the game in the second half. Who was the genius that didn't call plays for the tight end that pretty much carried you through the 1st. half.

Todd Haley did. I don't think he should be fired, he just needed to have Heath Miller more involved at that point in the game.

casteeler
12-16-2012, 08:30 PM
Todd Haley did. I don't think he should be fired, he just needed to have Heath Miller more involved at that point in the game.

Clone Miller. Problem solved

steelersfan299
12-16-2012, 08:35 PM
Go back in time and clone every Steeler during the 1970s. We would have no problems except for a lot of Unnecessary Roughness penalties which were uneccesary back in those days.

Neil-Still-Rules-14
12-16-2012, 09:09 PM
dwyer sucks and redman is proving that he's not durable enough to be a feature back. mendenhall basically punched his ticket out of pittsburgh so we have a need there.

ive seen dwyer have monster holes opened for him early in the game but he totally didn't see it, he's not a good running back

Although it is worth noting that the last time the Steelers won the Super Bowl, it was with the trio of Willie Parker (post-injury), Mewelde Moore, and Gary Russell.

Terminator
12-16-2012, 09:10 PM
Although it is worth noting that the last time the Steelers won the Super Bowl, it was with the trio of Willie Parker (post-injury), Mewelde Moore, and Gary Russell.

I thought the backs in '08 were

1. Parker (injured)
2. Mendenhall
3. Moore

:noidea:

Fire Arians
12-16-2012, 09:10 PM
Although it is worth noting that the last time the Steelers won the Super Bowl, it was with the trio of Willie Parker (post-injury), Mewelde Moore, and Gary Russell.

moore was money as a 3rd down back, and fast willie was better than any rb we have now.

MillerMania83
12-16-2012, 09:12 PM
moore was money as a 3rd down back, and fast willie was better than any rb we have now.

AGREE!!!!!!

Terminator
12-16-2012, 09:12 PM
moore was money as a 3rd down back, and fast willie was better than any rb we have now.

Willie Parker, before he got injured, was the #1 ranked RB in the NFL. He was a beast.

Neil-Still-Rules-14
12-16-2012, 09:12 PM
I thought the backs in '08 were

1. Parker (injured)
2. Mendenhall
3. Moore

:noidea:

Just so everyone knows, I meant to quote this post:

ben isn't tom brady or aaron rodgers, he's more of an elway type of qb, who didn't win anything until he had terrell davis

But anyways, Mendenhall only played in 4 games that year, and suffered a season-ending injury in his first start against the Ravens.

Terminator
12-16-2012, 09:14 PM
Just so everyone knows, I meant to quote this post:

ben isn't tom brady or aaron rodgers, he's more of an elway type of qb, who didn't win anything until he had terrell davis

But anyways, Mendenhall only played in 4 games that year, and suffered a season-ending injury in his first start against the Ravens.


Oh yeah, didn't Ray Lewis break his shoulder?

Darkstorm05
12-16-2012, 09:21 PM
A quality RB will take some pressure off the WR's. The last few games have proved that any shitbird team can jam the box and end Dwyer and Redmens day. Once the run is shut down, we have no play action, and everything is on Ben's shoulders.

This "Smashmouth" shit everyone loves Dwyer for is 90's football. Speed is what rules the league. When Brady drops back you usually think he's passing, but he can just as easily hand it off to a guy who will turn the corner and take off if you were playing the pass too deep.

A lot of the teams with big passing games have a fast RB to keep the defense afraid. These guys are just a little smaller than Dwyer, but they have burst speed to hit the edge and take off, and it really makes a defense stay on their toes. There's really no arguing this point anymore. If you still think the Dwyer/Redman combo is the way to go forward, then the offense you're seeing now is exactly what you're voting for. Guys clogging the middle, and crawling up Ben's ass every play. You double team Brown, and keep a guy near Wallace in case he accidentally catches a ball so you can force his fumbles. Offense shut down.