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steeltheone
12-17-2012, 02:59 AM
Another Wonderful performance by the 42 million dollar man....If Wallace would have fumbled this game away there would be 54 anti wallace threads! By far the Steelers less bang for the buck!

pitt0wns
12-17-2012, 03:23 AM
If it's not him it's someone else.

At this point Tomlin should be benching these players for a game that cough up the ball, it's getting pretty ridiculous.

Like I said 100x, Tomlin is a shitty coach, and is still living off of Cowher's players that are now over the hill. These players are not hungry, and not prepared physically/mentally.

Our D is just slow, no speed at all and it was working a lot better with Troy out of there. I hate to say this but I think Troy is done and needs to retire.

Rowland2110
12-17-2012, 03:43 AM
Well all Wallace did is not fight for the football on the INT and then not attempt to make the tackle. I mean the odds of him making the tackle were not good but ... no .....effort...at....all.

mikegrimey
12-17-2012, 04:20 AM
That's exactly what I thought, when Wallace fumbled, for the first time all year, against the Ravens, he was instantly denounced as a butter fingers, a fumble machine, a clod who can't hold on to the ball... But when Brown fumbles, not the first time either, it's ok.

Now, I like Brown, he's a hell of a player and always gives great effort, my point isn't that he should be castigated, but rather people should stop seeking out any and every reason to trash Wallace (see what I hope is a sarcastic post above me for what I mean)

Rick5895
12-17-2012, 05:11 AM
If any one player has more responsibility for this loss it would be brown. Not only did his fumble allow dallas back in the game but his mental mistakeby not catching that punt and playing way to deep late in the 4th was just as big as the fumble. Last week failing to kick that ball out of the endzone allowing a TD rather than a safety is another.
Seems like every week one or two players are making critical errors at the wrong time costing us games.

Millers the sh!t
12-17-2012, 05:53 AM
It all boils down to tomlins lack of coaching...... Guy needs to start from the beginning and maybe we can be more consistent with the victories. We can start with catching and then ball security. I've never seen a team fumble the ball so often... And especially at critical moments. Last year when suishan would kick a fg from the 40 or longer I would.get this cringing unconfident feeling in my gut..... That's the same feeling I now get everytime we hand the ball off or complete a pass. I'm expecting to see the ball pop out three steps after the completion or as soon as the player fights for those all important 2 extra yards after we already acquired the first down..

Millers the sh!t
12-17-2012, 05:54 AM
I have zero confidence in this team now......

WVABE
12-17-2012, 06:15 AM
Maybe sundays anniversary will light a fire under their asses.
Just watching the highlights of other teams that truly want to make the playoffs sickens me.
They are playing lights out football, and their winning.

steelfury02
12-17-2012, 06:19 AM
Maybe sundays anniversary will light a fire under their asses.
Just watching the highlights of other teams that truly want to make the playoffs sickens me.
They are playing lights out football, and their winning.

this. why on earth anyone would think we are capable of winning any remaining games is hilarious when they've shown nothing to prove it. Anyone want a piece of Denver right now, in their house? Their offense is a fine-tuned machine and their defense is making plays to get their offense back on the field. Texans? Sure - not as good as Denver - but pretty close to it. Patriots - forget it.

The Steelers, if they make it, will be the worst of all 12 playoff teams.

ETL
12-17-2012, 06:33 AM
I would take all your comments seriously but if in the next game AB scores 2 TDs there will be posts saying the opposite things. (You guys wouldn't do any of that posting - you would just not post at all or post some crap about eating crow).

I recognize that he had a bad game. But, I still like AB. I'm glad we signed him.

montana49
12-17-2012, 06:50 AM
Like I said 100x, Tomlin is a shitty coach, and is still living off of Cowher's players that are now over the hill. These players are not hungry, and not prepared physically/mentally.
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This

Steelerindc
12-17-2012, 06:50 AM
I'm not to happy with the Job that Tomlin is doing this year, but all this he's winning with Cowher's players just needs to stop. There have been many coaches that have taken over Super Bowl caliber teams and have done way worse.

If I'm not mistaken Cowher didn't do to well in his last year as a HC. Tomlin has taken his team to 2 Super Bowls since 2007. Only BelliCheat can say that. Cowher has 3 6-10 seasons, 1 7-9 season, and the last season was 8-8.

As I recall many of you were screaming for Cowhers head, now you're longing for him again.
Like I said in the beginning, I'm not happy with the job Tomlin had done this year but let's look at the other coaches, as well Labeau is getting out schemed almost weekly, Haley I don't think is a good fit for this team and let's not forget all of injuries.

This is not a good year for Steelers football, I'm just as pissed as most of you ( I broke shit last night) but, the reality is that we're not a good team and it's everybody's fault......and I mean everybody especially Rooney who superseded Tomlin and fired Arians. I hated Arains as well but if the HC didn't have a problem with him then let him deal with that not the owner, is he playing Jerry Jones now?

steelerchad
12-17-2012, 06:59 AM
I think Haley's system is far better than the previous. We are shooting ourselves in the foot weekly. We're giving away turnovers and not getting any. That's a recipe for losing.

Steelerindc
12-17-2012, 07:16 AM
I'm not going to debate which system is better but clearly the players don't like what's called and when it's called. In order for any system to work on any level the people operating within the system have to believe in it.

We are shooting ourselves in the foot and everyone needs to be accountable.

There's not a lot of talent on the Defensive side of the ball for the us to formidable like we were in the past. Most of our players on that side of the ball are way past there prime and the tank is running on empty.

If players like Batch, Leftwhich, Hampton and Foote are still on this team or starting then i would say Mike Tomlin is the problem. I'm not ready to put everything on the HC, this is a veteran team and they should know what it takes to get ready to play football.

Coaches coach and players play.

ChristianKustomz
12-17-2012, 07:20 AM
Forget all that mess. It's been the same players all season long that have fouled things up over and over and over and over and over and over...again.

We sign on Plax and so on and yet they bench them. We put in unproven players like Wallace, Brown who seems to be inconsistant and unprofessional Mendenhall who feels like showing up whenever the hell he feels like it.

Can you say undisciplined? I have heard many of us (myself included) bash on the Ravens for playing so piss poor and being a crap team when lets face it...we are no better. We are anything but inconsistant this year and we have no one really who can catch the ball. Even BB is making Flacco mistakes. What the hell was up with that interception? Why the hell did they not keep it on the ground and run it wide? Damn! Dallas gave us open secondaries we never capitalized on all game! That has nothing to do with the players but BAD coaching and play calls once again by this circus of coaches with Tomlin being the ring leader. It's his job to prepare our guys for battle and teach them the plays. That's not happening. Further more we spend good money on players that we more ego then passion. Their mouths run faster and their talk catches more then they do. It's a joke!

Yes we have been plagued with injuries but it's up to the coach at the beginning of the season to make sure we have qualified back ups that are worth while. Sorry but Leftwich and Batch are not those replacements. There is simply no passion or organization from the players or the coaching staff. Just the same old post game press excuses telling us what we already know. NO PASSION FROM COACHES MEANS NO PASSION FROM PLAYERS!!!

Get mad Tomlin! Show some freaking emotion that you are mad with the players for playing weak and not playing with Steelers pride!

Take their paycheck away from them and say "you have to earn it this week" and see just how quickly they fight. If Tru don't show up make em not get a paycheck. If I work poorly and not up the the bosses standards I'm on the unemployment line. Why pay these guys before they earn it? The heck with that! Why should they care about playing hard? They already got their money so half assed playing is ok. They hear some complaining and yelling but nothing changes. Not a bad wrap I might add but very disappointing to us fans. Week after week after disappointing week of being let down and they seem not to care. Thanks a lot Mendenhall you $&16#+]!,^|!!!!!!! If it were up to me you'd be fired on the spot!

Ok. Thank you all for listening to me rant and I feel better now. Unfortunately I will have to hear more bashing from RatBird fans today about our almost victory again.

maddog78
12-17-2012, 07:21 AM
The entire Young Money Crew is a train wreck. Weekly mistakes. Fumble and mis-played punt by Brown, another big drop by Sanders, and Wallace' shitty footwork on the sideline killing another drive.

They're really an average group of receivers.

btaylor179
12-17-2012, 07:30 AM
yup our wrs are not that good......sanders dropped another brown fumbles....starts with coaching which tomlin isnt very good......hes to busy being everyones buddy .......does anyone thimk we will do anything if we get in playoffs?

WVABE
12-17-2012, 07:35 AM
The entire Young Money Crew is a train wreck. Weekly mistakes. Fumble and mis-played punt by Brown, another big drop by Sanders, and Wallace' shitty footwork on the sideline killing another drive.

They're really an average group of receivers.The one that really disappoints me is Sanders, I used to be on the Wallace bandwagon but that is long gone, was never a fan of Brown because of his look at me attitude.
I'll root for whoever is playing for us but will not be fans of all of them.
We need some tough guys, guys like Heath who put the game first and stay focused on the game he's playing.
Get rid of the punks looking for the spotlight, get some damn recievers.

lipps83
12-17-2012, 07:43 AM
The positions coach needs to instill situational awareness. I feel that Brown is the best all-around receiver on this team that just needs to have some coaching on when to do what.

Yes, he made some mental mistakes yesterday but he is not the only reason the team lost.

I still will take a player (Brown) that gives 200% every single play with a mistake here or there over a one-trick pony (Wallace) that could give a damn and plays at about 50% every single play (unless he goes deep which he pretty much indirectly admitted himself is the only thing he is good at).

lipps83
12-17-2012, 07:53 AM
The one that really disappoints me is Sanders, I used to be on the Wallace bandwagon but that is long gone, was never a fan of Brown because of his look at me attitude.
I'll root for whoever is playing for us but will not be fans of all of them.
We need some tough guys, guys like Heath who put the game first and stay focused on the game he's playing.
Get rid of the punks looking for the spotlight, get some damn recievers.

Sorry but Heath is the exception, not the norm.

I could care less if a player looks for the spotlight or not, that really is irrelevant in todays game with so many doing so. This is not the military, it's a game that has zero impact in the world affairs. It exists soley for entertainment purposes. Chad Johnson is a perfect example. Yes, he was all about him but you cannot overlook the fact that he was a damn good receiver.

I care that a player is a good teammate and shows up to play every single week more than I do about a receiver flexing his arms when he makes a big play. You are saying they shouldn't be proud and enjoy their accomplishments. Maybe you should take your own self-inventory before critiquing another.

Are you flawless in how you conduct yourself each moment?

steelfury02
12-17-2012, 11:13 AM
I'm not to happy with the Job that Tomlin is doing this year, but all this he's winning with Cowher's players just needs to stop. There have been many coaches that have taken over Super Bowl caliber teams and have done way worse.

If I'm not mistaken Cowher didn't do to well in his last year as a HC. Tomlin has taken his team to 2 Super Bowls since 2007. Only BelliCheat can say that. Cowher has 3 6-10 seasons, 1 7-9 season, and the last season was 8-8.

As I recall many of you were screaming for Cowhers head, now you're longing for him again.
Like I said in the beginning, I'm not happy with the job Tomlin had done this year but let's look at the other coaches, as well Labeau is getting out schemed almost weekly, Haley I don't think is a good fit for this team and let's not forget all of injuries.

This is not a good year for Steelers football, I'm just as pissed as most of you ( I broke shit last night) but, the reality is that we're not a good team and it's everybody's fault......and I mean everybody especially Rooney who superseded Tomlin and fired Arians. I hated Arains as well but if the HC didn't have a problem with him then let him deal with that not the owner, is he playing Jerry Jones now?

I broke my remote control and I broke the arm rest on my couch. The remote control I tossed at the ground - batteries flying everywhere. I went to pick up the poor controller and batteries in a silent rage, tripped, and fell on the arm rest - cracking it. It is slumping in Steelers shame right now.

WVABE
12-17-2012, 12:51 PM
Sorry but Heath is the exception, not the norm.

I could care less if a player looks for the spotlight or not, that really is irrelevant in todays game with so many doing so. This is not the military, it's a game that has zero impact in the world affairs. It exists soley for entertainment purposes. Chad Johnson is a perfect example. Yes, he was all about him but you cannot overlook the fact that he was a damn good receiver.

I care that a player is a good teammate and shows up to play every single week more than I do about a receiver flexing his arms when he makes a big play. You are saying they shouldn't be proud and enjoy their accomplishments. Maybe you should take your own self-inventory before critiquing another.

Are you flawless in how you conduct yourself each moment?

And after AB makes a catch and Ben wants to get into a hurry-up offence but dufus is walking down the field to point his finger and drop the ball, no that bullshit should not be tolerated by the coaches. Wanna be proud, do it after a VICTORY.

torpedoshell31
12-17-2012, 03:25 PM
This team has to have the lowest football IQ in the the NFL. Not knowing when to run out of bounds, when to stay in bounds, what to do when the ball is loose in your own end zone, and it is goes on up to Tomlin who doesn't know when to go for 2, when to not run a fake FG etc..

ZoneBlitzer
12-17-2012, 05:08 PM
I was a huge fan of Brown but the kid is dumber than a bag of rocks. He must've scored low on the wonderlic. He's certainly in my doghouse after a series of bonehead plays. And that is on coaching. You've got to drill these players for every situation in practice.

harrison'samonster
12-17-2012, 05:13 PM
I'm a fan of Brown too, but I think this loss is mostly on him. This was easily the worst game I've seen him play. He'll come back from it though.

SteelersCanada
12-17-2012, 05:13 PM
So what you're saying is, the same guy that everyone loved a couple of weeks ago is now the goat for the losses? Yep, that sounds about right on these boards. Instead of recognizing the entire team played like shit, let's single out a single guy and blame him for it. I mean, that's some great logic.

harrison'samonster
12-17-2012, 05:21 PM
So what you're saying is, the same guy that everyone loved a couple of weeks ago is now the goat for the losses? Yep, that sounds about right on these boards. Instead of recognizing the entire team played like shit, let's single out a single guy and blame him for it. I mean, that's some great logic.

After the Brown fumble on the return, it was the Cowboys game to lose. With the way Romo was picking on our depleted secondary, that wasn't going to happen.

Secure the ball. He's already run what, 50 yards? Then when the lane tightens up he's swinging the ball around. Reminds me of Randle El (a player I liked). You've got to make sure the ball is secure at that point above all else. We had great field position and a chance to go up two scores at the end of the game. We didn't need any 5-run homeruns. That's my take on it. Like I said though, he'll come back from it. I still think he's the best wr we have.

zcoop
12-17-2012, 05:21 PM
The entire Young Money Crew is a train wreck. Weekly mistakes. Fumble and mis-played punt by Brown, another big drop by Sanders, and Wallace' shitty footwork on the sideline killing another drive.

They're really an average group of receivers.

Don't let BIG Money Ben off the hook, he has his share of screw ups too.:wink02:

SteelCity4Life
12-17-2012, 05:27 PM
I would take all your comments seriously but if in the next game AB scores 2 TDs there will be posts saying the opposite things. (You guys wouldn't do any of that posting - you would just not post at all or post some crap about eating crow).

I recognize that he had a bad game. But, I still like AB. I'm glad we signed him.

Finally someone agrees.

Have you guys forgotten all the Wallace mistakes???? He basically tossed the ball to the Browns in the Cleveland game. Just saying, Wally is no better.

Brown has made plenty of clutch catches and had plenty of return and receiving yards. I agree, he had a bad (horrible) game, actually. But he was FAR from alone in making mistakes. The loss was a TEAM loss. Stop assigning blame all to one person.

If anyone should be taking hits, it should be "the standard" shit head Tomlin. MOTIVATE YOUR DAMN PLAYERS! THIS TEAM SUCKS AND YOU COULDN'T MOTIVATE A FLY. :banging:

FrancoLambert
12-17-2012, 11:03 PM
Ah, the "young money" crew. Big money, Fast Money, Easy money.
All more interested in being a star who showboats than doing what it takes to win.
All more interested in making money than being great.

I remember previous threads and debates about whether Brown celebrated too much for routine plays. When I said these guys didn't have the discipline and focus on what really mattered to be great like several of our past great receivers, and are more interested in self adulation, my screen name led to me being called an "old-timer" who didn't understand the modern athlete.

I understand thre modern athlete better than the apologists who overlook their lack of discipline.

They should all go back and watch films of Swann and Stallworth.

They might learn what it truly means to act like a professional, acheive greatness, and most importantly, how to win.

Some fool even was bold enough to say Brown is more talented than the two greats I mentioned. What a joke.