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Cyphon
12-18-2012, 05:36 PM
No need for explanation on what this is. I will say what I think and you all can do so as well. These aren't neccessarily ordered by importance but the order I thought of them.

1. Get Plaxico involved. The few times the guy has been in he has been able to do some things. He adds height and a good redzone threat and we need to put up more than 3 the way our D is playing. We have him, we need to get him more involved. It isn't as if our offense is firing on all cylinders. I don't really see how a change can hurt in any case given how our wideouts have been performing.

Skillset aside, I am looking for a spark. The team just does not seem to WANT victory as much as they should. Particularly with the receivers dropping balls or fumbling or whatever. You know Plax wants to be relevant again. He is hungry and even moreso at a home game at Heinz field.

2. HEEEEEEEEEEATH! You know who I mean and I am not even explaining this one. He is our offesive MVP, having a career year and continues to be on fire. GET HIM THE BALL!

3. Run game. Last time we played Cinci we were able to run on em. Dwyer had like 122 on 17 carries or something close to that. Don't get away from the run game. TOP with a 7 at the end (see points 1 and 2 for how to achieve that) would make this game a walk in the park. Easier said than done but we are capable of doing it. I think TOP is even more important than usual given the fact that AJ Green is going to be out there with no Ike T on the field. Well, and our defensive is playing soft overall.

No anyone who knows me should expect this next part but while I say we need to run, I specifically mean we need to run the ball with Redman. I said it before and will continue to say it while the facts back me.....He is our best running back and overall a great running back when given a chance. Numbers support the argument as well as eye test and common sense. Hell, look at the Cowboys game. Dwyer did nothing (9 for 22 yards or something like that?) Redman had 3 for 30 as well as the catch out of the backfield breaking tackles and getting the first down.


So to summarize. Plaxico, Heath and Redman. If those 3 are our gameplan I guarantee we win the game. I say it with 100% confidence and would bet any amount of money I could muster on a victory.

What say you?

The_Joker
12-18-2012, 05:44 PM
Play like Jack Lambert!

steelfury02
12-18-2012, 05:45 PM
No need for explanation on what this is. I will say what I think and you all can do so as well. These aren't neccessarily ordered by importance but the order I thought of them.

1. Get Plaxico involved. The few times the guy has been in he has been able to do some things. He adds height and a good redzone threat and we need to put up more than 3 the way our D is playing. We have him, we need to get him more involved. It isn't as if our offense is firing on all cylinders. I don't really see how a change can hurt in any case given how our wideouts have been performing.

Skillset aside, I am looking for a spark. The team just does not seem to WANT victory as much as they should. Particularly with the receivers dropping balls or fumbling or whatever. You know Plax wants to be relevant again. He is hungry and even moreso at a home game at Heinz field.

2. HEEEEEEEEEEATH! You know who I mean and I am not even explaining this one. He is our offesive MVP, having a career year and continues to be on fire. GET HIM THE BALL!

3. Run game. Last time we played Cinci we were able to run on em. Dwyer had like 122 on 17 carries or something close to that. Don't get away from the run game. TOP with a 7 at the end (see points 1 and 2 for how to achieve that) would make this game a walk in the park. Easier said than done but we are capable of doing it. I think TOP is even more important than usual given the fact that AJ Green is going to be out there with no Ike T on the field. Well, and our defensive is playing soft overall.

No anyone who knows me should expect this next part but while I say we need to run, I specifically mean we need to run the ball with Redman. I said it before and will continue to say it while the facts back me.....He is our best running back and overall a great running back when given a chance. Numbers support the argument as well as eye test and common sense. Hell, look at the Cowboys game. Dwyer did nothing (9 for 22 yards or something like that?) Redman had 3 for 30 as well as the catch out of the backfield breaking tackles and getting the first down.


So to summarize. Plaxico, Heath and Redman. If those 3 are our gameplan I guarantee we win the game. I say it with 100% confidence and would bet any amount of money I could muster on a victory.

What say you?

I agree on Heath. Plax needs to be featured from mid field on IMO. I have no clue at running back. It sounds like Mendy might get another chance to touch the ball. Who the hell knows - Mendenhall may come back from the grave. The RB situation is one of the worst that I've ever seen as it stands right now (thanks in part to injuries, attitude, and being bad enough that absolutely no one respects the run)

Lady Steel
12-18-2012, 06:01 PM
They need to get their heads out of their butts and go out there and play with the same focus, passion, and consistency as Heath Miller. I've about had it up to HERE with our WRs and RBs. Plax needs to be in there. So does Cotchery. The WRs need to catch the damn ball, and the RBs need to hold onto the ball and stop carrying it like a loaf of bread. The coaching staff needs to THINK and stop being stupid. This team has so much talent and they're pissing it all away. I don't get angry with this team often. I was heartbroken over the loss to the Cowboys, but I'm over that. Now, I'm totally pissed off.

With that said, I still believe. :tt:

Steelers - 27

Bungles - 21


:sign04:

WVABE
12-18-2012, 06:06 PM
This is the NFL your never guanteed a win.
What year was that when the Raiders had less than 100 yards of offence and beat us.
I'm not even comfortable with a 28 point lead, unless there's 30 seconds left in the game.

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-18-2012, 06:37 PM
This is the NFL your never guanteed a win.
What year was that when the Raiders had less than 100 yards of offence and beat us.
I'm not even comfortable with a 28 point lead, unless there's 30 seconds left in the game.

2006.

The defense held them to 98 yards of offensive production-- and we still lost.

Ben's 4 INTs had a LOT to do with that, as well as Cowher's decision to play him that week, despite getting KO'ed the week before at Atlanta. Same song, different tune.

eafratitpm3
12-18-2012, 06:40 PM
The only key to beating Cinci is for the Steelers not to beat themselves, PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!

ZoneBlitzer
12-18-2012, 07:17 PM
Don't turn the ball over. And preferably win the turnover battle.

Play situational and complimentary football at a high level. This means capitalizing with points in key situations something that they havent done at all.

Minimize big kick returns.

Eliminate mental mistakes.

Get a good start on offense.

Prediction: 21 - 17 Cincinnati.

steelfury02
12-18-2012, 07:19 PM
Don't turn the ball over. And preferably win the turnover battle.

Play situational and complimentary football at a high level. This means capitalizing with points in key situations something that they have done.

Minimize big kick returns.

Eliminate mental mistakes.

Get a good start on offense.

Or, hope that Arians comes back - cause he holds the be all end all key on the outcome of all successful seasons

EDIT: In all seriousness - they just need to do their job and quit pressing

The_Joker
12-18-2012, 07:23 PM
This Week's Line
FAVORITE SPREAD UNDERDOG OVER/UNDER
Pittsburgh 4 Cincinnati 43

ACCUSCORE

The Pittsburgh Steelers are a solid favorite with a 65% chance to beat the Cincinnati Bengals. Jonathan Dwyer is projected for 62 rushing yards and a 37% chance of having at least 1 rushing TD. In the 35% of simulations where Cincinnati Bengals wins, Andy Dalton averages 1.89 TD passes vs 0.4 interceptions, while in losses he has a ratio of 1.24 TDs to 0.66 interceptions. BenJarvus Green-Ellis averages 59 rushing yards and 0.52 rushing TDs when Cincinnati Bengals wins and 38 yards and 0.21 TDs in losses. The Pittsburgh Steelers has a 41% chance of forcing more turnovers than they commit. Positive turnover margin helps them win 84% of the time.

steelfury02
12-18-2012, 07:34 PM
This Week's Line
FAVORITE SPREAD UNDERDOG OVER/UNDER
Pittsburgh 4 Cincinnati 43

ACCUSCORE

The Pittsburgh Steelers are a solid favorite with a 65% chance to beat the Cincinnati Bengals. Jonathan Dwyer is projected for 62 rushing yards and a 37% chance of having at least 1 rushing TD. In the 35% of simulations where Cincinnati Bengals wins, Andy Dalton averages 1.89 TD passes vs 0.4 interceptions, while in losses he has a ratio of 1.24 TDs to 0.66 interceptions. BenJarvus Green-Ellis averages 59 rushing yards and 0.52 rushing TDs when Cincinnati Bengals wins and 38 yards and 0.21 TDs in losses. The Pittsburgh Steelers has a 41% chance of forcing more turnovers than they commit. Positive turnover margin helps them win 84% of the time.

and Accuscore picked the Steelers over Green Bay in XLV:thumbsup:

The_Joker
12-18-2012, 07:44 PM
and Accuscore picked the Steelers over Green Bay in XLV:thumbsup:

Uuhhhh the Packers were favored by 3.

Fire Haley
12-18-2012, 08:46 PM
Keys:

We won't lose to a ginger

Smash them in the fucking mouth


Mendy gets 180 yds and Ben doesn't have to play hero


now git ur done

ZoneBlitzer
12-18-2012, 08:48 PM
Keys:

We won't lose to a ginger

Smash them in the fucking mouth


Mendy gets 180 yds and Ben doesn't have to play hero


now git ur done

Mendy is 4th string. I was hoping he would start.

WVABE
12-18-2012, 08:51 PM
We need 150 yards in unsportsmanlike penalties,

at least we'll know they're trying.

Fire Haley
12-18-2012, 08:55 PM
Steelers had ZERO penalties and just lost a game


when's the last time that happened?

lardlad
12-18-2012, 09:00 PM
Or, hope that Arians comes back - cause he holds the be all end all key on the outcome of all successful seasons

EDIT: In all seriousness - they just need to do their job and quit pressing

I agree they are starting to press.

Rotorhead
12-19-2012, 12:38 PM
I honestly dont care whether they win or lose, as long as the show up and play like they are being paid multi millions of dollars. Stop shooting themselves in the foot and play good fundamental football! Hopefully they play like they want to win instead of that crap they have been playing the last few weeks. There is no shame in losing if you leave it all on the field and give a solid attempt.

maddog78
12-19-2012, 01:08 PM
Offense - more no huddle to stop them from rotating DL, which they like to do. Defense - more bump and run and pressure the QB, which means Harrison and Woodley should be running forward, not backward, most of the time. Throw off the timing on the quick timing throws. Clark and Troy can man centerfield if you miss at the line.

And in general, hold on to the damn ball.

torpedoshell31
12-19-2012, 01:15 PM
The key is to win the turnover battle, if we don't turn it over-we win.

Steelers>NFL
12-19-2012, 01:22 PM
This Week's Line
FAVORITE SPREAD UNDERDOG OVER/UNDER
Pittsburgh 4 Cincinnati 43

ACCUSCORE

The Pittsburgh Steelers are a solid favorite with a 65% chance to beat the Cincinnati Bengals. Jonathan Dwyer is projected for 62 rushing yards and a 37% chance of having at least 1 rushing TD. In the 35% of simulations where Cincinnati Bengals wins, Andy Dalton averages 1.89 TD passes vs 0.4 interceptions, while in losses he has a ratio of 1.24 TDs to 0.66 interceptions. BenJarvus Green-Ellis averages 59 rushing yards and 0.52 rushing TDs when Cincinnati Bengals wins and 38 yards and 0.21 TDs in losses. The Pittsburgh Steelers has a 41% chance of forcing more turnovers than they commit. Positive turnover margin helps them win 84% of the time.

Despite of of these percentages, Steelers still could possibly finish .500 with the way they are playing.

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-19-2012, 01:45 PM
I don't see how anything is supposed to improve between now and Sunday.

The reason we lost to Dallas is because we have a bunch of cardboard cutouts at CB right now. Unless Ike and Keenan come back this week, Dalton will just do this Sunday what the last two teams have done to our depleted secondary-- throw a lot of comeback routes to the outside for the automatic 10 yard gainer.

Now, we went from bad to worse this week with them signing Justin King (who?) to replace the no-name that went down in this last game after stinking teh joint up. Now we just signed a guy who was labelled as the "worst CB in the NFL" thinking he is going to save our team?

Rotorhead
12-19-2012, 01:56 PM
Lewis will be back

steelfury02
12-19-2012, 02:23 PM
As much as I've been hating on Wallace and the offense in general, I thought this was interesting. Never would have thought this. Gets targeted a lot like Calvin Johnson I suppose.:noidea:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/61622/guess-who-leads-the-afc-north-in-drops

Guess who leads the AFC North in drops?
December, 19, 2012
DEC 19
1:45
PM ET
By Jamison Hensley | ESPN.com

If you asked me who leads the AFC North in dropped passes, my three guesses would've been: Mike Wallace, Mike Wallace and Mike Wallace. Well, I was wrong.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Bengals wide receiver A.J. Green tops the division in that category. This shocked me because Green has such great hands. Everyone remembers Green's drop in the red zone against Dallas, but I can't recall many more than that one. Last season, Green had three drops on 112 targets. This year, he has seven drops on 138 targets.

Wallace is close behind Green with six dropped passes. That's tied for the second-most in the AFC North with Bengals tight end Jermaine Gresham and Browns wide receiver Greg Little. Saints tight end Jimmy Graham leads the NFL with 11 dropped passes.

In terms of teams, the Browns lead the division with 26 drops, which is tied for eighth-most in the league. The Steelers and Bengals have a total of 22 drops. The Ravens have the least amount of dropped passes with 19. Wide receiver Torrey Smith has the most drops for Baltimore with four.

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-19-2012, 02:35 PM
As much as I've been hating on Wallace and the offense in general, I thought this was interesting. Never would have thought this. Gets targeted a lot like Calvin Johnson I suppose.:noidea:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/61622/guess-who-leads-the-afc-north-in-drops

Guess who leads the AFC North in drops?
December, 19, 2012
DEC 19
1:45
PM ET
By Jamison Hensley | ESPN.com

If you asked me who leads the AFC North in dropped passes, my three guesses would've been: Mike Wallace, Mike Wallace and Mike Wallace. Well, I was wrong.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Bengals wide receiver A.J. Green tops the division in that category. This shocked me because Green has such great hands. Everyone remembers Green's drop in the red zone against Dallas, but I can't recall many more than that one. Last season, Green had three drops on 112 targets. This year, he has seven drops on 138 targets.

Wallace is close behind Green with six dropped passes. That's tied for the second-most in the AFC North with Bengals tight end Jermaine Gresham and Browns wide receiver Greg Little. Saints tight end Jimmy Graham leads the NFL with 11 dropped passes.

In terms of teams, the Browns lead the division with 26 drops, which is tied for eighth-most in the league. The Steelers and Bengals have a total of 22 drops. The Ravens have the least amount of dropped passes with 19. Wide receiver Torrey Smith has the most drops for Baltimore with four.

This does not help Wallace at all (not that I think you were trying to, FURY02), just puts him on-par with another #1 WR that is struggling to hang on to the ball.

AJ Green has been targetted 144 times this season, to Wallace's 114. In 30 more attempts, he only has 1 more drop than Wallace?

So Wallace drops the ball once every 19 attempts.

AJ Green drops the ball once every 20 attempts.

That still makes Wallace more of a dropster than Green.

maddog78
12-19-2012, 02:57 PM
Lewis will be back

As will Tez Allen.

cubanstogie
12-19-2012, 03:17 PM
we have got to get pressure on Dalton. Bottom line. I missed a lot of the Cowboys game but what I saw was very similar to the Chargers game. Even if they don't get the sack at least force some throws and make Dalton take a hit. The problem is blitz leaves secondary more vulnerable but they have to take that gamble. Unleash Polamalu.

Stu Pidasso
12-19-2012, 04:40 PM
I say Tomlin wears his lucky Big Poofy Coat. We never lose with him wearing that!

Buddha Bus
12-19-2012, 04:43 PM
Keys to beating Cinci?

Organize a police raid in their locker room before the game. The outstanding warrants should decimate their chances of fielding enough guys and they'll forfeit. :wink02: :chuckle:

steelfury02
12-19-2012, 04:43 PM
I say Tomlin wears his lucky Big Poofy Coat. We never lose with him wearing that!

Come on Coat, let's dance the night away . . .
http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Mike+Tomlin+AFC+Championship+Baltimore+Ravens+xUDv vLbcUwbl.jpg

steelfury02
12-19-2012, 04:47 PM
Keys to beating Cinci?

Organize a police raid in their locker room before the game. The outstanding warrants should decimate their chances of fielding enough guys and they'll forfeit. :wink02: :chuckle:

Sun, Dec. 4, 2005. A red letter day in the history of football.
I remember like it was yesterday. I was standing on top of my toilet in disgust, slipped, hit my head, and when I came to, I saw a vision, I saw this:
http://www.exit83.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/tj.jpg

The last time Cincy players could get arrested - and THIS, is what makes Super Bowl Dreams possible.

Buddha Bus
12-19-2012, 04:56 PM
Sun, Dec. 4, 2005. A red letter day in the history of football.
I remember like it was yesterday. I was standing on top of my toilet in disgust, slipped, hit my head, and when I came to, I saw a vision, I saw this:
http://www.exit83.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/tj.jpg

The last time Cincy players could get arrested - and THIS, is what makes Super Bowl Dreams possible.

Somebody mail Vontaze Burfict a Terrible Towel, please. He seems dumb enough to take the bait. :sofunny:

steelfury02
12-19-2012, 05:05 PM
Somebody mail Vontaze Burfict a Terrible Towel, please. He seems dumb enough to take the bait. :sofunny:

muahahahaah - not unless you anticipate someone who barely contributes to the outcome of the game that might want to do something with it(ala Ray Rice) Maybe their kicker wants a piece of it? How about the long snapper?

Carson Pal, nevermind . . .
No wait, Chad Joh, nevermind . . .
Wait - Chris He, nevermind . . .

TRH
12-19-2012, 06:02 PM
keys to beating Cinci ?? Not hard to figure out.....

#1 - SHOW up. Prepared. Ready to play. With attitude. This is SORELY missing, folks.

#2 - the defense has to stop the outside pass plays to the sidelines. The word throughout the NFL now is thats how you beat us and move the ball. And we haven't been able to stop it.

#3 - fumbling. It's time for the Pittsburgh Steelers to show back up permanently. I'm tired of tuning in to watch the Pittsburgh Fumblers.

#4 - in addition to the pass - the run game has to start getting going. Dwyer, Redman whomever. And the line needs to do a better job at creating holes.

#5 - can the special teams also show up?? I'm sick and tired of almost every long runback we get negated by a stupid penalty. On the other side, i'm also tired of other teams consistently getting long runbacks on us - or we commit a stupid penalty again..."giving" them a long runback. Its killing us in the battle of field position.


Can you imagine if we could do all these things. Those things above aren't out of the question, either. I don't see how we can't do all 5 of those things (#4 would likely be the hardest). And not just this week - but every week.

teegre
12-19-2012, 06:13 PM
keys to beating Cinci ?? Not hard to figure out.....

#1 - SHOW up. Prepared. Ready to play. With attitude. This is SORELY missing, folks.

#2 - the defense has to stop the outside pass plays to the sidelines. The word throughout the NFL now is thats how you beat us and move the ball. And we haven't been able to stop it.

#3 - fumbling. It's time for the Pittsburgh Steelers to show back up permanently. I'm tired of tuning in to watch the Pittsburgh Fumblers.

#4 - in addition to the pass - the run game has to start getting going. Dwyer, Redman whomever. And the line needs to do a better job at creating holes.

#5 - can the special teams also show up?? I'm sick and tired of almost every long runback we get negated by a stupid penalty. On the other side, i'm also tired of other teams consistently getting long runbacks on us - or we commit a stupid penalty again..."giving" them a long runback. Its killing us in the battle of field position.


Can you imagine if we could do all these things. Those things above aren't out of the question, either. I don't see how we can't do all 5 of those things (#4 would likely be the hardest). And not just this week - but every week.

Agreed.
They have shown the ability to almost all of those things.

1. They showed up against the Ravens.

2. Getting the starting CBs back will help. In the meantime, remember that the 4th & 5th string CBs did well enough against the Cowboys' WRs (who are Pro-Bowlers) to win the game.

3. THIS!!!

4. They ran against the HYGiants... when the NYGiants KNEW it was coming. The Steelers O-line getting cohesion will help in this regard.

5. No penalties is ALL that I ask for. Start the drives at the 20... not the 10. Starting at the 30 would be icing on the cake.