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Steelers5895
12-23-2012, 06:58 PM
Well, its ok now to look at what moves we can make to improve. Here is what I see happening:

GONE:
Batch
Redman
Mendenhall
Wallace
Starks
Foster
Hampton
Sylvestor
Foote
Mundy

Resign:
Leftwich
Dwyer
Burress
Sanders
McClendon
Lewis
W Allen

The Steelers are never active and I have no idea their cap situation but there are two running backs I like a lot that can come cheap and are extremely versitle:

Jackie Battle
Joquie Bell

Having a first round pick in the mid/late teens I can see the Steelers going in this direction:

rd 1. Run Stuffing DT to replace Hampton
rs. 2 Quick, Inside LB to replace Foote
rd 3. Running back if we don't re-sign or sign any
rd 4. wide receiver
rd.5 - rd7. OL, DL, DB help

casteeler
12-23-2012, 06:59 PM
So who will be Backup QB? Miller?

harrison'samonster
12-23-2012, 07:00 PM
Nice post. But, Max Starks gone? I'll believe it a few years after I see it.

GoFor7
12-23-2012, 07:01 PM
Well, its ok now to look at what moves we can make to improve. Here is what I see happening:

GONE:
Batch
Redman
Mendenhall
Wallace
Starks
Foster
Hampton
Sylvestor
Foote
Mundy

Resign:
Leftwich
Dwyer
Burress
Sanders
McClendon
Lewis
W Allen

The Steelers are never active and I have no idea their cap situation but there are two running backs I like a lot that can come cheap and are extremely versitle:

Jackie Battle
Joquie Bell

Having a first round pick in the mid/late teens I can see the Steelers going in this direction:

rd 1. Run Stuffing DT to replace Hampton
rs. 2 Quick, Inside LB to replace Foote
rd 3. Running back if we don't re-sign or sign any
rd 4. wide receiver
rd.5 - rd7. OL, DL, DB help

Leftwich? Seriously?

And as unpopular as this sounds, they need to resign Wallace or else their WR core will stink. Allowing defenders to stack the box will make this offense worse, not better. Unless you're delusional, there's no way you can expect this offense to play that style of football.

SteelersCanada
12-23-2012, 07:10 PM
I love when people have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to draft needs and/or possible draft prospects.

We're not drafting a NT in the first round. If we thought we could replace Ta'amu in another draft, we wouldn't have put him on the practice squad after the legal issues. Second, this class is too heavily defensive favored to draft an offensive player before the fifth round. Third, we're not resigning Dwyer. Overweight and out-of-shape running backs aren't my style and they shouldn't be the Steelers' style, either. It's time to move on from Captain 3 yards per carry.

Regarding free agency, they're going to resign Wallace. I'd like for you to name a team that will give Wallace more than 10 million a year in terms of a 5 year / 50 million dollar deal. The Steelers will match it, and if any team wants to give him more than that, be my guest.

harrison'samonster
12-23-2012, 07:15 PM
I love when people have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to draft needs and/or possible draft prospects.


I love it when people put down others. Thanks.

Steelers5895
12-23-2012, 07:16 PM
I love when people have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to draft needs and/or possible draft prospects.

We're not drafting a NT in the first round. If we thought we could replace Ta'amu in another draft, we wouldn't have put him on the practice squad after the legal issues. Second, this class is too heavily defensive favored to draft an offensive player before the fifth round. Third, we're not resigning Dwyer. Overweight and out-of-shape running backs aren't my style and they shouldn't be the Steelers' style, either. It's time to move on from Captain 3 yards per carry.

Regarding free agency, they're going to resign Wallace. I'd like for you to name a team that will give Wallace more than 10 million a year in terms of a 5 year / 50 million dollar deal. The Steelers will match it, and if any team wants to give him more than that, be my guest.

not sure why you think we wont draft a NT in round one? we will have a HUGE hole their and our 3-4 cant work against the run without our NT demaning double teams. get a clue.

as for wallace, any team with a young QB with cap room will make an offer. Think dolphins, think rams, think cleveland, think jacksonville, think jets. lots of teams.

he was no existant this year and rarely took the top off the coverage. a full off season with Burress and our WRs dont miss a step.

TRH
12-23-2012, 07:24 PM
Wallace will be gone. Leftwich will be gone too.

Starks will stay.

Even though Burress is popular amongst the "boards", unfortunately thats where it ends. I like him - but he'll be gone too.
Also, look for at least one HUGE shake-up that no one expects.

Steelers5895
12-23-2012, 07:31 PM
Wallace will be gone. Leftwich will be gone too.

Starks will stay.

Even though Burress is popular amongst the "boards", unfortunately thats where it ends. I like him - but he'll be gone too.
Also, look for at least one HUGE shake-up that no one expects.

not much mileage on burress and he will come cheap and can make up for wallace's production somewhat

the shake up will be either Harrison, Ike or Woodley being cut. we proven we can play without them on defense and still play at a high level

Fire Arians
12-23-2012, 08:25 PM
id try to keep mendenhall, but our first priority should be to re-sign keenan lewis to a deal.

if wallace wants to play for us for a much lower price than franchise tag money, then awesome, if not hasta la vista

starks gone? he's one of our best linemen. I would try to sign him maybe to a 2 year deal, he's durable and probably has a couple years left in him.

batch/left gone... if hoyer can win the spot from them. this won't be decided until training camp. batch might be gone though because of age

SteelersCanada
12-23-2012, 08:29 PM
not sure why you think we wont draft a NT in round one? we will have a HUGE hole their and our 3-4 cant work against the run without our NT demaning double teams. get a clue.

as for wallace, any team with a young QB with cap room will make an offer. Think dolphins, think rams, think cleveland, think jacksonville, think jets. lots of teams.

he was no existant this year and rarely took the top off the coverage. a full off season with Burress and our WRs dont miss a step.

I just explained to you why we won't draft one in the first round. Again, they wouldn't have kept Ta'amu if they thought they could just replace him, especially after all his legal issues. Obviously they see something in him and thought it was worth it despite the bad PR it was bringing them. We have bigger needs than NT on this defense. When McLendon is on the field, he requires two guys - Hampton doesn't anymore. We have bigger and much more pressing needs than NT - a position we have two young and explosive guys at.

Regarding Wallace - he rarely took the top off defenses because under Haley's system, he's required to run underneath routes and intermediate gains - something he isn't good at. Square peg, round hole.

I didn't mean to "put you down", but you have to look at our actual needs and who we have on our roster behind our veteran guys and see their production and potential. NT isn't a need, but OLB, ILB and FS/SS are.

Ricco Suavez
12-23-2012, 08:35 PM
Resign Wallace, Lewis, Allen, Sanders, and even Mendy if price is right. Draft LB, DE, and SS/DB in first three rounds and not necessarily in that order. We need RB, Backup QB, and a backup TE. Unless a sure fire starter at OL drops to us we should try to wait until later rounds and pick up a project. No true NT will be picked in this years draft by the Steelers.

Penn
12-23-2012, 08:45 PM
I love when people have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to draft needs and/or possible draft prospects.

We're not drafting a NT in the first round. If we thought we could replace Ta'amu in another draft, we wouldn't have put him on the practice squad after the legal issues. Second, this class is too heavily defensive favored to draft an offensive player before the fifth round. Third, we're not resigning Dwyer. Overweight and out-of-shape running backs aren't my style and they shouldn't be the Steelers' style, either. It's time to move on from Captain 3 yards per carry.

Regarding free agency, they're going to resign Wallace. I'd like for you to name a team that will give Wallace more than 10 million a year in terms of a 5 year / 50 million dollar deal. The Steelers will match it, and if any team wants to give him more than that, be my guest.

Agree completely. Who would feel comfortable with just Brown and Sanders as our tandem next year? The young fumble crew. I hate to admit it but we need Wallace

First round i want a pass rusher, be it a DE or OLB, everyone has seen enough of Ziggy Hood and Harrison may be gone unless he takes a pay cut. The fact is we get no pressure. Our secondary still had a great season despite that fact just imagine how good we could be if we got that one stud (eg JJ Watt, Geno Atkins, Ngata). I know im dreaming but still..

2nd and 3rd round need to target an ILB and a safety. Nobody knows how long troy is going to last and Clark is getting up there in digits, its time for a young guy to come in and learn under those two guys. Mundy clearly isnt the guy and Will Allen is a band aid despite the excellent season he did have.

Go after a running back in the 4th or 5th and a linebacker with the other, inside or outside doesnt matter we need depth.

Not a college ball fan so you will all have to help with me with specific players we should be looking at. That is my wish list at least

Also agree with your assessment of McLendon. He POPS when he is on the field he gets tremendous push and i feel very comfortable with him getting more snaps at NT. He should have gotten way more snaps this season to be honest

ZoneBlitzer
12-23-2012, 08:52 PM
Turnover school.

Steelers5895
12-23-2012, 09:08 PM
I just explained to you why we won't draft one in the first round. Again, they wouldn't have kept Ta'amu if they thought they could just replace him, especially after all his legal issues. Obviously they see something in him and thought it was worth it despite the bad PR it was bringing them. We have bigger needs than NT on this defense. When McLendon is on the field, he requires two guys - Hampton doesn't anymore. We have bigger and much more pressing needs than NT - a position we have two young and explosive guys at.

Regarding Wallace - he rarely took the top off defenses because under Haley's system, he's required to run underneath routes and intermediate gains - something he isn't good at. Square peg, round hole.

I didn't mean to "put you down", but you have to look at our actual needs and who we have on our roster behind our veteran guys and see their production and potential. NT isn't a need, but OLB, ILB and FS/SS are.

i hear you but i thought they released Ta amu. McClendon isnt the answer. if he was he would be in there more than hampton was.

this offseaosn will be interesting. with out age the window is closing

Chadmagic
12-23-2012, 09:10 PM
Here is who has to go and why:

Harrison-Age/ injuries
Polamalu- Age/ injuries
Woodley- Lack of talent
Foote - age/ unprodutive
Adams - Inuries (hasn't finished any of the last 3 seasons)
Wallace- lack of talent (doesn't come back to the ball or even try to)
Mendy- lack of talent (stutter steps and dances too much)

steeltheone
12-23-2012, 09:39 PM
Harrison 5.1 million and Keisel 2.8 Million on cap savings alone, need gone.

Terrapin
12-23-2012, 09:56 PM
Here is who has to go and why:

Harrison-Age/ injuries
Polamalu- Age/ injuries
Woodley- Lack of talent
Foote - age/ unprodutive
Adams - Inuries (hasn't finished any of the last 3 seasons)
Wallace- lack of talent (doesn't come back to the ball or even try to)
Mendy- lack of talent (stutter steps and dances too much)

I assume you mean Colon (not Adams), and if so I agree.

Harrison is overpriced and washed up. He's gone.

Polamalu will be back, but if he misses significant time agian next year, it should be his last.

Woodley has been terrible all year, but he'll be back.

Wallace needs to be back. I hate him as much as anyone, but the Steelers need him. Brown isn't a #1 WR, and Sanders can't stay on the field.

Mendy needs to go. He's an average back and a headcase. There should be plenty of FAs comparable to him, and cheaper.

madtowndrunkard
12-23-2012, 10:04 PM
I really think our #1 pick is going to be an ILB. With Foote being a FA..we definitely have a need there....even if we decide to re sign foote..he's older and not that good. With one of the highest draft picks we've had in years.. you need to get a playmaker IMO.

I'd like to see us keep Hampton...he's still playing at a high level. If we do lose Hampton then I hope we replace him in free agency. We need someone who is a proven NT.

I'd like to see a RB taken in the 2nd round.

steeltheone
12-23-2012, 10:10 PM
I really think our #1 pick is going to be an ILB. With Foote being a FA..we definitely have a need there....even if we decide to re sign foote..he's older and not that good.

I'd like to see us keep Hampton...he's still playing at a high level. If we do lose Hampton then I hope we replace him in free agency. We need someone who is a proven NT.

I'd like to see a RB taken in the 2nd round.
I would have to disagree...I believe Foote has played much better than Hampton this year!

Steelers5895
12-23-2012, 10:22 PM
Steelers won't overspend on Wallace. His lack of effort I think wrote his ticket out of Pittsburgh. Add fumbles and lack of big plays with his desire for #1 wr money he is all but gone. I think the steelers will give Burress a hard look in week 17 and consideration for next year. he has fresh legs and is proven.

I disagree with how hampton played. he has been pushed back all year. 7-10 disruptive plays i saw all year. If there is a starter in round 1 he will be drafted. ILB in round 2 as not many available in FA who are familiar with the 3-4.

GoFor7
12-23-2012, 10:26 PM
Steelers won't overspend on Wallace. His lack of effort I think wrote his ticket out of Pittsburgh. Add fumbles and lack of big plays with his desire for #1 wr money he is all but gone. I think the steelers will give Burress a hard look in week 17 and consideration for next year. he has fresh legs and is proven.

I disagree with how hampton played. he has been pushed back all year. 7-10 disruptive plays i saw all year. If there is a starter in round 1 he will be drafted. ILB in round 2 as not many available in FA who are familiar with the 3-4.

So get rid of Wallace for a 35 year old receiver?

Steelers5895
12-23-2012, 10:31 PM
So get rid of Wallace for a 35 year old receiver?

yes. wide receivers aren't running backs. plus Buress hasnt seen major action in 4 seasons. so his body is not that of a 35 year old as far as football.

25 or 35, wallace didnt show up this year and gave up on a lot of plays, dropped a ton of passes and fumbled way too much.

burress cant do worse at 35 at 1/4 of the salary. take that money and spend on a RB or elsewhere.

draft a wallace like wr and let him watch a year,

Rotorhead
12-23-2012, 10:31 PM
I am thinking our first pick will be a tall WR, or they keep Plax (i think they let wallace and mendy walk, keeping redman and dwyer) Then it will be a Safety or top level pass rusher. Next will be whatever we didnt get in the first. We have Spence back next season, harrison and snack played better after their injuries got better, i still doubt either is 100%. But think we keep james and drop snack. So round 3 is probably NT. After that who knows.

zshelhamer
12-23-2012, 10:34 PM
Foote played well this year, I hope we bring him back for a year or two so we can draft an ILB early and groom him behind Foote.

I also think Harrison is being paid too much and will be let go. Polamalu should consider retirement because of his health the past few years, I see him as a guy who wants to go out on his own terms, not when he physically cannot go anymore. Resigning Lewis is priority number one, as he is going to be a solid DB for the foreseeable future.

Also, we need to resign Mendy (as much as I dislike the guy, we need to offer him at least a one year contract. He didn't play great this year, but the dude was coming off a torn ACL and most runners don't recover their ability to cut for at least a year and a half to two years. Give him one last chance).

Resign Sanders and either Dwyer/Redman for depth. We need to at least offer Wallace a decent contract. We may not like him, but his speed is what keeps the defense from sticking 11 guys near the line of scrimmage.

As for the coaches, Tomlin will not be fired (although after his AWFUL decision making this year, he should at least be on the hot seat), Haley may go to Arizona? and I think LeBeau will be back for another year. The Strength and Conditioning coach and ST coach both need to be fired.

However, these are the Steelers, so I'm very worried nothing will change in the offseason. The old players that need to be let go will just restructure their contracts and come back for another season. The coaches that need to be fired will be back on the sidelines next year. We will field basically the same team next year and will have the same problems we have had the past few years with injuries and a lack of turnovers.

There is always hope though. Here's to a long and hopefully productive offseason :tt03:

Steelers5895
12-23-2012, 10:42 PM
Foote played well this year, I hope we bring him back for a year or two so we can draft an ILB early and groom him behind Foote.

I also think Harrison is being paid too much and will be let go. Polamalu should consider retirement because of his health the past few years, I see him as a guy who wants to go out on his own terms, not when he physically cannot go anymore. Resigning Lewis is priority number one, as he is going to be a solid DB for the foreseeable future.

Also, we need to resign Mendy (as much as I dislike the guy, we need to offer him at least a one year contract. He didn't play great this year, but the dude was coming off a torn ACL and most runners don't recover their ability to cut for at least a year and a half to two years. Give him one last chance).

Resign Sanders and either Dwyer/Redman for depth. We need to at least offer Wallace a decent contract. We may not like him, but his speed is what keeps the defense from sticking 11 guys near the line of scrimmage.

As for the coaches, Tomlin will not be fired (although after his AWFUL decision making this year, he should at least be on the hot seat), Haley may go to Arizona? and I think LeBeau will be back for another year. The Strength and Conditioning coach and ST coach both need to be fired.

However, these are the Steelers, so I'm very worried nothing will change in the offseason. The old players that need to be let go will just restructure their contracts and come back for another season. The coaches that need to be fired will be back on the sidelines next year. We will field basically the same team next year and will have the same problems we have had the past few years with injuries and a lack of turnovers.

There is always hope though. Here's to a long and hopefully productive offseason :tt03:

mendy after his antics sealed his fate along with wallace. you can be disruptive if you are producing. heck, even when you are producing the steelers will not take disruption, just ask santonio holmes. how much we miss him in a big spot?

mendy and wallace are gone. you can get a jackie battle or joque bell for a 3rd of what mendy will want without the fumbles.

tanda10506
12-23-2012, 10:45 PM
So get rid of Wallace for a 35 year old receiver?

For the time being, yes. Plax will be relatively cheap compared to Wallace and will likely outperform him. That's not a popular opinion, but Wallace is a one trick pony who has shown nothing for the last year and a half, meanwhile Plax is a big target who knows how to run routes. Paying Wallace even as much as Brown is a joke. That's basically telling Brown that you can half ass it and drop passes all the time and still get however much money you ask for. Rooney and Colbert aren't that stupid, Wallace will be gone. Wallace is overrated, Cotchery looked better then he did today. Somebody will be stupid enough to pay him the money and I hope he takes it right away. If we can't get by on offense with Cotchery, Brown, Sanders, Heath, and Plax then they need to do some serious house cleaning.

Steelers5895
12-23-2012, 10:49 PM
For the time being, yes. Plax will be relatively cheap compared to Wallace and will likely outperform him. That's not a popular opinion, but Wallace is a one trick pony who has shown nothing for the last year and a half, meanwhile Plax is a big target who knows how to run routes. Paying Wallace even as much as Brown is a joke. That's basically telling Brown that you can half ass it and drop passes all the time and still get however much money you ask for. Rooney and Colbert aren't that stupid, Wallace will be gone. Wallace is overrated, Cotchery looked better then he did today. Somebody will be stupid enough to pay him the money and I hope he takes it right away. If we can't get by on offense with Cotchery, Brown, Sanders, Heath, and Plax then they need to do some serious house cleaning.

we can get a fast deep threat in the draft and develop him. brown and sanders werent overly productive until year 2. we have shown we can find good wrs in mid rounds. his play was so bad this year, he isnt worth tagging as no one will give up a pick for him. he will be like many others who just leave and we get nothing in return. well, we will hopefully get a new starter who plays hard and holds on to the ball.

therocksteeler
12-24-2012, 04:05 AM
Rooney team owners and directors need to have a meeting with Mike T. I see no player leadership on this team or even the development of those type players.

BritishSteel
12-24-2012, 05:01 AM
I love when people have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to draft needs and/or possible draft prospects.

We're not drafting a NT in the first round. If we thought we could replace Ta'amu in another draft, we wouldn't have put him on the practice squad after the legal issues. Second, this class is too heavily defensive favored to draft an offensive player before the fifth round. Third, we're not resigning Dwyer. Overweight and out-of-shape running backs aren't my style and they shouldn't be the Steelers' style, either. It's time to move on from Captain 3 yards per carry.

Regarding free agency, they're going to resign Wallace. I'd like for you to name a team that will give Wallace more than 10 million a year in terms of a 5 year / 50 million dollar deal. The Steelers will match it, and if any team wants to give him more than that, be my guest.

Since when has free agency been about common sense? There are half a dozen teams out there who need help at WR with both cap room and desperation as their FA motivation - I wouldn't say it's an absolute certainty that Wallace is gone, but I'd be astonished if someone didn't offer more than what we're able to offer. His less than Stellar season this year gives us a glimmer of hope, but someone like the Raiders or Miami will offer him more than we will.

Agree with the rest though. With the defensive talent in this draft class and the fact that we've a history of going for the best available player at the time, I can't see us taking anyone on the O side of the ball in the first three or four rounds (unless someone totally unexpected falls to us, which is always possible). There's a job to do re-engineering the squad, and I think it takes a couple of drafts to do it - with the defensive talent available in this draft class, and the Steelers drafting high (for us), we may never get a better chance to re-tool the defensive side of the ball.

Rick5895
12-24-2012, 06:01 AM
not sure why you think we wont draft a NT in round one? we will have a HUGE hole their and our 3-4 cant work against the run without our NT demaning double teams. get a clue.

as for wallace, any team with a young QB with cap room will make an offer. Think dolphins, think rams, think cleveland, think jacksonville, think jets. lots of teams.

he was no existant this year and rarely took the top off the coverage. a full off season with Burress and our WRs dont miss a step.

A NT in Round 1 would be a huge mistake. There just doesn't appear to be any coming out that appear dominant enough for a 1st round grade. Besides this team has other more pressing needs. Safety is a huge concern, both Troy and Ryan are getting older and there is no body waiting in the wings. W. Allen is a good backup but thats it. Unless they convert one of the CB's to safety. ILB is another area we need an upgrade. Foote played well this year but IMO he is about over. This may seem odd but we may be in position now to draft Te'o. If he is available
.

I only see Wallace back if he realizes he is not worth 10 mil a year. if he comes in around 7 great. I can also see us bringing back Hoyer for a real good look at backup QB. Mendy and either Dwyer or Redman will be gone, for me I prefer to keep Redman if we can over Dwyer. But if B.Batch can stay healthy he may just be a diamond in the Rough

steelfury02
12-24-2012, 06:08 AM
Wallace replacement? That's easy to find.

Just find someone capable of going over a 1000 yards a couple of times and disappears against double coverage, against above average defenses, disappears late in the season, and now drops the ball. Buh, but remember his 1 big 50 yard catch that one time? Please - the guy needs and can go - least of our concerns.

Atlanta Dan
12-24-2012, 01:16 PM
Mark Kaboly of the Trib-Review predicts this starting line-up for 2013 - predicts Mendenhall, Wallace, Starks, Foote, Hampton & Harrison are gone

QB - Roethlisberger
RB - Dwyer
WR - Brown, Sanders, Cotchery
TE - Miller
OL - Pouncey, DeCastro, Colon, Adams, Gilbert

DL - Hood, McLendon, Keisel
LB - Worilds, Timmons, Spence, Woodley
DB - Taylor, Allen, Clark, Polamalu

http://sulia.com/channel/pittsburgh-steelers/f/e38f1052-12f4-40e5-8c64-2f3e4278131a/?source=twitter

IMO Heath may be delayed in returning due to major knee surgery

SoCalFan
12-24-2012, 01:38 PM
Mark Kaboly of the Trib-Review predicts this starting line-up for 2013 - predicts Mendenhall, Wallace, Starks, Foote, Hampton & Harrison are gone

QB - Roethlisberger
RB - Dwyer
WR - Brown, Sanders, Cotchery
TE - Miller
OL - Pouncey, DeCastro, Colon, Adams, Gilbert

DL - Hood, McLendon, Keisel
LB - Worilds, Timmons, Spence, Woodley
DB - Taylor, Allen, Clark, Polamalu

http://sulia.com/channel/pittsburgh-steelers/f/e38f1052-12f4-40e5-8c64-2f3e4278131a/?source=twitter

IMO Heath may be delayed in returning due to major knee surgeryIn other words prepare for a few down years re building???

Not sure why this is not brought up more but the entire training staff has got to go! We have so many key players dropping EVERY YEAR! Seems more so than any other team!?

cowherpower
12-24-2012, 02:32 PM
I am wondering if this is the year we move to 4-3 with Hampton gone. Draft a DT to play alongside Hood, Mclendon, Heyward, Harrison. Draft LB to play along Woodley and Timmons. Wallace will be gone for sure. Plenty of RB late in draft or on FA no need to keep any of ours.

GoFor7
12-24-2012, 02:34 PM
I am wondering if this is the year we move to 4-3 with Hampton gone. Draft a DT to play alongside Hood, Mclendon, Heyward, Harrison. Draft LB to play along Woodley and Timmons. Wallace will be gone for sure. Plenty of RB late in draft or on FA no need to keep any of ours.

Keep an aging LB in Harrison over Wallace?

Makes sense....

El-Gonzo Jackson
12-24-2012, 02:37 PM
I love it when people put down others. Thanks.

Yeah, its always the start of a good thread.

not sure why you think we wont draft a NT in round one? we will have a HUGE hole their and our 3-4 cant work against the run without our NT demaning double teams. get a clue.

as for wallace, any team with a young QB with cap room will make an offer. Think dolphins, think rams, think cleveland, think jacksonville, think jets. lots of teams.

he was no existant this year and rarely took the top off the coverage. a full off season with Burress and our WRs dont miss a step.

McLendon and Ta'amu on the roster will be the future of the NT position. Doubtful we spend a premium pick on a 2 down player.

OLB with Pass rush skills, Safety that isnt over the age of 30, ILB not over the age of 30 and RB should be the team priorities before another D lineman.

desertsteel
12-24-2012, 03:04 PM
I love when people have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to draft needs and/or possible draft prospects.


I love it when people put down others. Thanks.

As mere mortals, we can only bask in the vast wisdom of his posts.

desertsteel
12-24-2012, 03:05 PM
I am wondering if this is the year we move to 4-3 with Hampton gone. Draft a DT to play alongside Hood, Mclendon, Heyward, Harrison. Draft LB to play along Woodley and Timmons. Wallace will be gone for sure. Plenty of RB late in draft or on FA no need to keep any of ours.

I'm all for moving to the 4-3. I mean that is Tomlin's defense anyway. Let's see what he's got...

Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala
12-24-2012, 03:21 PM
not sure why you think we wont draft a NT in round one? we will have a HUGE hole their and our 3-4 cant work against the run without our NT demaning double teams. get a clue.

McClendon deserves a chance to start. Whenever he was on the field, which wasn't as much as he should have been, he was making plays.

steeltheone
12-24-2012, 03:34 PM
In other words prepare for a few down years re building???

Not sure why this is not brought up more but the entire training staff has got to go! We have so many key players dropping EVERY YEAR! Seems more so than any other team!?

I don't see how they can justify paying Keisel over 4 mill next year. Play Heyward and move on.

Cutting Harrison saves 5.1 million...That seems like an easy choice.

Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala
12-24-2012, 03:36 PM
Worilds impressed, Harrison should be gone. Agreed that Heyward should take over for Keisel.

I'm thinking LB in round 1 without a doubt. If you wanna move up and grab Te'o go ahead, we need a playmaker at that position ASAP.

Rotorhead
12-24-2012, 03:55 PM
Why does eveyone forget about Spence, he was projected to start until his knee, or is he not returning due to the injury?

surcalifero
12-24-2012, 08:37 PM
We want to get rid of Harrison, Hampton, Polamalu, Foote, Wallace, and Mendy. The problem with getting rid of them is that the backups to those starters are not starter material. Bad drafting has finally caught up to us. All the players we draft in the upcoming draft will all sit down for next yr. So we are screwed big time.

SoCalFan
12-24-2012, 08:46 PM
Maybe I had this in the wrong thread befor but here are my thoughts on the off season!

Does anyone believe Te'o would still be available? I think NOT! That would be an insanely good pick up! Players like him dont come along often! One thing I know is, well a few things, I can not wait til this season is OVER and this is going to be (for me) the most interresting off season in a long long time! I cant wait til the draft!

Here is who I like in the draft besides Te'o!

Big physical cornerback-David Amerson, North Carolina State, 6-3/194

Running back-Knile Davis, Arkansas 6-0/226

Tackle-D.J. Fluker, Alabama, 6-6/335

Fullback-Michael Zordich, Penn State, 6-1/242...
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cowherpower
12-25-2012, 09:31 AM
Keep an aging LB in Harrison over Wallace?

Makes sense....

I say that because I wonder if Harrison was just banged up this season and now finally getting healthy. Him as a DE in a 4-3 makes sense because he is pretty stout against the run and we all know how he rushes the passer. You'd see less of him in coverage and more of him taking out QB. Don't see why he couldn't put up Ware type sack numbers for a couple more years. A

s far as Wallace, I am a fan of his speed but he does have somewhat of a 'punk' mentality. I also don't believe we have any choice now anyhow as he is free to go as we cannot afford to franchise him nor match what several teams are prepared to throw at him. MIA, SEA, MN, BUF, KC, SD, WASH, CHI, CAR, ARI, SF, and a couple more are all teams that I can see going after him. He is going to cash in as teams are desperate for his skills. If we had a different coach I'd say we could have turned this around for him but we blew it. Will be tough to see him go. People don't realize what you got till it's gone. But Ben can't deliver the deep ball so maybe we'll see just how sick he can be on another roster.

Maybe the threat of franchise will prompt some team to trade for him. Not sure if that is possible but hopefully it is and Colbert can pull it off. He is not long for PIT either way.

AgentGold007
12-26-2012, 07:25 AM
Hopefully if Haley gets a head coaching job somewhere, we get a more innovative o-coordinator. We need more fire power in our offense, an offense that can exploit their opponents weaknesses and can take advantage in key situations, like not going 3 and out when they get the ball at the 50 yard line or better. We also need a versatile running back who can hold on to the football. The o-line is pretty young and hopefully will take a huge step forward, hopefully Tomlin makes a solid pick to replace Kugler as o-line coach. I'd also like to see them take a look at a new strength and conditioning trainer too.

StainlessStill
12-26-2012, 10:27 AM
If our front office shuns Max Starks for the UMPTEENTH time then shame on them. Other than Roethlisberger and Heath, Starks is our only offensive player that is a proven commodity. He's earned the right to stay at LT for as long as he can manage and hold down that fort. Our most consistent lineman on the team, including Pouncey.

harrison'samonster
12-26-2012, 11:32 AM
If our front office shuns Max Starks for the UMPTEENTH time then shame on them. Other than Roethlisberger and Heath, Starks is our only offensive player that is a proven commodity. He's earned the right to stay at LT for as long as he can manage and hold down that fort. Our most consistent lineman on the team, including Pouncey.

completely agree. If I'm not mistaken, Starks will be the only player on offense to start every game this year. I know Starks isn't some superstar or anything but I think very highly of him.

Justp94
12-26-2012, 10:03 PM
Well, its ok now to look at what moves we can make to improve. Here is what I see happening:

GONE:
Batch
Redman
Mendenhall
Wallace
Starks
Foster
Hampton
Sylvestor
Foote
Mundy

Resign:
Leftwich
Dwyer
Burress
Sanders
McClendon
Lewis
W Allen

The Steelers are never active and I have no idea their cap situation but there are two running backs I like a lot that can come cheap and are extremely versitle:

Jackie Battle
Joquie Bell

Having a first round pick in the mid/late teens I can see the Steelers going in this direction:

rd 1. Run Stuffing DT to replace Hampton
rs. 2 Quick, Inside LB to replace Foote
rd 3. Running back if we don't re-sign or sign any
rd 4. wide receiver
rd.5 - rd7. OL, DL, DB help

I believe the Steelers will try to resign Wallace & Mendenhall.
I also expect Redman, Starks, & Foote (if he doesn't retire) to be back.

I also believe we should cut Colon because he's ended up on Injured Reserve way too much and if we don't cut Colon, sign a G in the 2nd round just incase he gets injured.

Draft Picks by Round:
1st: Cornerback (If there's one worth drafting and if not draft a DT)
2nd: Offensive Tackle or Guard (Depending on who we resign)
3rd & 4th: Defensive Lineman or Inside Linebacker (Depending on who's available)
5th: Safety or Cornerback (Depending on who's available)
6h: Tight End
7th: Safety or Cornerback (Depending on who's available)

I believe that our issue is our lack of depth in the secondary and a lack of dominant offensive linemen like in the past, even if this year was an improvement. We also have a lack of pass rush that should get back on track when Harrison is healthy.

teegre
12-26-2012, 10:54 PM
So get rid of Wallace for a 35 year old receiver?

Everyone... mark this date down.

Gofor7 and I agree.

SteelersCanada
12-29-2012, 11:42 PM
I wouldn't mind us signing Martellus Bennett, especially since Heath is down for an extended amount of time. He isn't going to command top dollar, but he's a very reliable and sure-handed TE that actually reminds me a lot of Miller. While Paulson has impressed so far in his limited role, I very much doubt he's ready to be Ben's primary check-down option in primetime. Bennett has proven over the last season he's not only capable but actually very good at finding space and giving Manning a window to throw to - especially in the redzone.

We all have to acknowledge and recognize the fact that the Heath we all know might have died and gone away with that torn ACL and PCL. It's hard to bounce back from that, especially if you're going into your 9th season in the NFL. While I think he'll still be effective, I don't think that he's going to be the same Heath we saw this year.