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Blackout
12-23-2012, 07:13 PM
Extend Mendy for a few more years or pick up a rookie in the draft?

Knile Davis looks great, but not sure about his injury track record. Eddie Lacy same thing. Might be a safer pick with Marcus Lattimore.

For me, I would extend Mendy and keep Dwyer/Redman on the bench. Next season hope we can have a solid O-Line to open some lanes.

Fire Arians
12-23-2012, 07:16 PM
i might have an upopular opinion, but keep mendenhall if his price tag isn't too high, he's the best we have right now

4xSBChamps
12-23-2012, 07:18 PM
if (on the rare occasion that the Steelers choose to run the football) our Offensive Linemen get shoved 2-steps backward, does it matter who our RB is?

Fire Arians
12-23-2012, 07:20 PM
if (on the rare occasion that the Steelers choose to run the football) our Offensive Linemen get shoved 2-steps backward, does it matter who our RB is?

mendy at least has a chance to bounce it to the outside and make a play, or hit a cutback lane. dwyer / red if the middle is stuffed, it's the end of the play. their speed isn't scaring anybody, and rightfully so

mendy burned the bengals a couple times for overplaying the run stuff to the inside by cutting it outside and outrunning the defense, he can do that.

Ricco Suavez
12-23-2012, 07:20 PM
i might have an upopular opinion, but keep mendenhall if his price tag isn't too high, he's the best we have right now

I agree, money has to be right though. Mendy may not want to stay due to his friction with Tomlin. I would love to pick up a "hidden gem" in the draft, someone who can go between the tackles and bounce it outside with some speed. More than anything I want a RB who can hold onto the ball next year.

PhantomJB93
12-23-2012, 07:21 PM
If Mendenhall comes cheap, and I mean really cheap, extend him, but if he's asking for even a remotely significant contract let him go. Either way draft a second or third round RB, even if Mendenhall stays he cannot be trusted as anything more than a backup at this point. I'm not as big on Knile Davis as others but Eddie Lacy or Montee Ball would be great.

VictoryFormation
12-23-2012, 07:23 PM
Mendenhall was a first round pick. If they would let him carry the ball, they would see that he can be a very productive running back. If they dump him, whoever picks him up gets a steal. They should try to keep Mendenhall, Dwyer, Redman, and Rainey.

ZoneBlitzer
12-23-2012, 07:25 PM
The Steelers desperately need a feature back. Their QB is on the downside of the bell curve and he needs some help.

PhantomJB93
12-23-2012, 07:28 PM
Mendenhall was a first round pick. If they would let him carry the ball, they would see that he can be a very productive running back. If they dump him, whoever picks him up gets a steal. They should try to keep Mendenhall, Dwyer, Redman, and Rainey.

Mendenhall has been given more than enough chances. He was a workhorse last year and didn't produce, and that was before his knee injury. He has the talent to be a great back but he's been wasting it for over two years now. Again, I'm not entirely opposed to extending him but somebody new needs to be brought in, the plan can't be to roll out the same RB corps we did this season.

pittpete
12-23-2012, 07:29 PM
They should try to keep Mendenhall, Dwyer, Redman, and Rainey.
Why it didnt work this year, what makes anyone think it will next year.

Fire Arians
12-23-2012, 07:31 PM
Why it didnt work this year, what makes anyone think it will next year.

mendy this time not coming off an ACL surgery and running behind decastro and adams with another training camp under their belt and NFL game experience. more intagibles involved than just who's the names at running back.

Blackout
12-23-2012, 07:32 PM
I'm optimistic with our O-Line next year, I think it should be solid.

Fire Arians
12-23-2012, 07:33 PM
I'm optimistic with our O-Line next year, I think it should be solid.

they were doing great imo until adams and colon got backed up

decastro had his struggles but he should be an upgrade over foster to start next season

Curtain_of_Steel
12-23-2012, 07:34 PM
Rather go without Mendehal. Regardless of being our best back, if he is our best back, than cut them all and sign someoneelse. He dances way to much, than the hole closes, just because he makes an outside cut doesn't mean he is a good back.

Fire Arians
12-23-2012, 07:36 PM
Rather go without Mendehal. Regardless of being our best back, if he is our best back, than cut them all and sign someoneelse. He dances way to much, than the hole closes, just because he makes an outside cut doesn't mean he is a good back.

the only time our offense ever moved the ball was when he was in the lineup. cincy's defense had to play more disciplined and stay in their lanes and react. dwyer/redman in there they'd just all blow up the middle and that stops slow backs every time

jiminpa
12-23-2012, 07:43 PM
the only time our offense ever moved the ball was when he was in the lineup. cincy's defense had to play more disciplined and stay in their lanes and react. dwyer/redman in there they'd just all blow up the middle and that stops slow backs every time
Exactly, and I'm starting to think that is why Tomlin singled him out even though every RB on the roster fumbled. I think Tomlin's ego was hurt when the Rooney's put the team above personality. Whatever the reason, the Rooney's, who own the team, said we need to get better at running the ball, and Tomlin has stood in the way of that, and I hope they are noticing, especially if Whiz becomes available this offseason.

steeltheone
12-23-2012, 08:49 PM
they were doing great imo until adams and colon got backed up

decastro had his struggles but he should be an upgrade over foster to start next season

The Bengals D Line made DeCastro their bitch, it was ugly....I hope we can laugh at this game in a few years when he is a Pro Bowler!

Cyphon
12-23-2012, 11:23 PM
My thoughts on this:

1. Get rid of Mendenhall. He is our worst option outside of Rainey who is simply too small to carry the load. Not only that, but he doesn't fit the mold of our team and we saw his loyalty during the San Diego game. I don't even see how or why people would argue keeping Mendenhall.

2. Start Redman. He is our best back and could be a feature back given the chance. The only argument I have seen against him that has even an ounce of legitimacy is getting injured but he has had 1 injury I can remember keeping him out of a game. Outside of that we have no clue what his durability is and that is why we keep more than 1 back on the team.

3. Try Rainey at WR. He honestly has no business even being in our RB depth chart. He is way too small to be anything but a specialty back and we really don't need that. The others can catch just as well out of the backfield and can get the big chuncks of yards by breaking tackles. Keep him healthy for returning kicks.


So why go with my position on this? Well, for multiple reasons.

1. It gives us a here and now back that is beyond good enough to be a feature back we can make a run at the SB with. Redman is at an age where RB's start to go downward but the good thing for him is that he hasn't been used much so age may not be a major factor here. He should have 2-4 good years left.

2. It gives us young depth that is not only proven but has a chance to grow and be even better. Dwyer has been a solid back for us this year having back to back 100 yard games as a feature back. He still has some room for growth and needs to work on his weight a bit and toughen up some. He comes out of the game a lot on his own accord. Beside him you have Baron Batch who seems to have a lot of promise. Again, he is young so he has a chance to really grow behind Redman in the couple years Redman would be starting for us.

3. It keeps us from having...."over-depth" at the position. I think the Steelers coaching was a bit too keen on all of our backs and they created a sort of controversy with the running back by committee thing. They tried to force Rainey in and make him relevant and get all our backs on the ball instead of letting one get hot and stay hot. My plan completely removes this from the equation. You pick the best one (Redman) and go with him while having proven and promising depth behind him. If say in the first 3 or 4 games are line is playing well and Redman isn't or he is fumbling and making mistakes, then you can move the depth chart around. But give the guy his just due.

That gives us 3 RB's on our squad and if it came to it you could still count Rainey as a 4th so that we don't get thin. Any other backs they are interested in....Maybe they can draft one late for the practice squad or whatever.


What shocks me most is how simple and easy this plan is and very few people seem to get it (looking mainly at the coaches here). The stats support my argument completely and I would love to see them give this plan a try. Prove me wrong Steelers. Do it.

Darkstorm05
12-23-2012, 11:38 PM
My thoughts on this:

1. Get rid of Mendenhall. He is our worst option outside of Rainey who is simply too small to carry the load. Not only that, but he doesn't fit the mold of our team and we saw his loyalty during the San Diego game. I don't even see how or why people would argue keeping Mendenhall.

2. Start Redman. He is our best back and could be a feature back given the chance. The only argument I have seen against him that has even an ounce of legitimacy is getting injured but he has had 1 injury I can remember keeping him out of a game. Outside of that we have no clue what his durability is and that is why we keep more than 1 back on the team.

3. Try Rainey at WR. He honestly has no business even being in our RB depth chart. He is way too small to be anything but a specialty back and we really don't need that. The others can catch just as well out of the backfield and can get the big chuncks of yards by breaking tackles. Keep him healthy for returning kicks.


So why go with my position on this? Well, for multiple reasons.

1. It gives us a here and now back that is beyond good enough to be a feature back we can make a run at the SB with. Redman is at an age where RB's start to go downward but the good thing for him is that he hasn't been used much so age may not be a major factor here. He should have 2-4 good years left.

2. It gives us young depth that is not only proven but has a chance to grow and be even better. Dwyer has been a solid back for us this year having back to back 100 yard games as a feature back. He still has some room for growth and needs to work on his weight a bit and toughen up some. He comes out of the game a lot on his own accord. Beside him you have Baron Batch who seems to have a lot of promise. Again, he is young so he has a chance to really grow behind Redman in the couple years Redman would be starting for us.

3. It keeps us from having...."over-depth" at the position. I think the Steelers coaching was a bit too keen on all of our backs and they created a sort of controversy with the running back by committee thing. They tried to force Rainey in and make him relevant and get all our backs on the ball instead of letting one get hot and stay hot. My plan completely removes this from the equation. You pick the best one (Redman) and go with him while having proven and promising depth behind him. If say in the first 3 or 4 games are line is playing well and Redman isn't or he is fumbling and making mistakes, then you can move the depth chart around. But give the guy his just due.

That gives us 3 RB's on our squad and if it came to it you could still count Rainey as a 4th so that we don't get thin. Any other backs they are interested in....Maybe they can draft one late for the practice squad or whatever.


What shocks me most is how simple and easy this plan is and very few people seem to get it (looking mainly at the coaches here). The stats support my argument completely and I would love to see them give this plan a try. Prove me wrong Steelers. Do it.

Baron Batch had no vision, and showed zero talent. Redman is 3rd string. The games without Mendy showed that Dwyer/Redman didn't get it done. Coaches agreed, and opened negotiations with Mendy. If Mendy walks, we draft a new #1 in 2nd or 3rd round.

Either way if we keep both Batch and Rainey, either Dwyer or Redman gets cut, and it's likely going to be Redman going. Next years RB corps is...

1) Mendy(Or a new draft RB)
2) Dwyer
3) Batch/Rainey

The only "Stat" that matters here is that the Steelers decided to negotiate a contract for Mendenhall. They wouldn't be doing that unless they wanted him to be the #1 guy, and his performance today again showed that when healthy, he's in a class the fat backs on this team will never match.

Cyphon
12-23-2012, 11:53 PM
Baron Batch had no vision, and showed zero talent.

When was this? I don't recall him ever even getting to play.

The games without Mendy showed that Dwyer/Redman didn't get it done.

3 out of 4 games where either of them had 15-17+ carries were 100 yard running games and we won all 3 of them. You my friend, couldn't be more wrong.

Coaches agreed, and opened negotiations with Mendy.

See my fire Tomlin thread. This only hurts your argument with me

The only "Stat" that matters here is that the Steelers decided to negotiate a contract for Mendenhall. They wouldn't be doing that unless they wanted him to be the #1 guy, and his performance today again showed that when healthy, he's in a class the fat backs on this team will never match.

Unfortunately you may be right on the first part. It would just be a continuation of Tomlin making terrible decisions. As for the latter part, again, you are sort of wrong. He performed slightly better than Dwyer today but Dwyer isn't who I am arguing as the starter. I said Dwyer needs time to grow and such.

As for Redman....He never got a chance to run the ball today but the couple times he did he got 2 first downs Mendenhall never would have fought and gotten. In fact, the time they gave the ball to Mendenhall on 3rd and 2 he lost yards. Redman converted a third and short and a 4th and short against a defense that broke through the line and completely read the play.

And you should also note the back the Steelers chose for the final play of the game to attempt and provide a miracle.

ZoneBlitzer
12-24-2012, 12:05 AM
I don't see Redman as a feature back at all nor Dwyer for that matter. The Steelers need a star in the backfield. I'm dreaming I know.

Also Tomlin has completely mishandled the RB situation.

Cyphon
12-24-2012, 12:18 AM
I don't see Redman as a feature back at all nor Dwyer for that matter. The Steelers need a star in the backfield. I'm dreaming I know.

People don't see it because they haven't let him show it. But I stress again. Consider the numbers.

He has 3 career games with 17 or more carries. The results are as follows:

19 carries for 92 yards with a 4.8 avg and a long of 22.
17 carries for 121 yards with a 7.1 avg and a long of 32 (playoff game).
26 carries for 146 yards with a 5.6 avg and a long of 28.

So he is 3 for 3 with good games as a "feature" back. Including being able to get a splash play in each. He is our best blocking black, can catch out of the backfield and is a menace in short yardage situations which also makes him a menace at the goalline. He wears down defenses and never goes down on the first tackle. I am not sure I remember a back with more fight than this guy has. And looking at the numbers above his best game was a playoff game, so we know he can do it on the big stage.

So answer me this. What isn't to like? Inconsistent running behind an inconsistent line with an inconsistent amount of carries? I agree. I don't like that either but that is on the coaches.

Everyone here is calling for a feature back when we have a guy right under our noses.

So what arguments are going to be made.

1. He gets injured. He had 1 injury this year that kept him out of one game. Compared to Mendenall who we all know the results of his injury.

2. He is too slow. Really? Is that why he consistently has gains of 20 plus and just 2 games ago broke a 22 yarder to the outside? Yes, he is slow. But so was Hines Ward. So was Jerome Bettis. Being fast doesn't mean being good. It certainly helps but it is far from necessary.

3. He hasn't done it consistently. Well, you can't make that argument until we have seen it. If he is 3 for 3 why is he not getting a shot to be the feature guy? Especially given that he is playoff proven and does it when it counts.


Look, it isn't like I am arguing this because I know the guy and like him. I am arguing facts and stats here. I want any back we have to be successful regardless of who starts. I am just curious why everyone seems to be ignoring what is right in front of them.


Edit

Some may wonder why I say 17 carries. Earlier in the season some analyst pointed out how when Ray Rice had 17 or more carries the Ravens won and when less they lost. So I looked at one of the best backs in the league and one from our division which is who we have to compete with most to come up with that number. Keeping that in mind, we won 2 of the 3 games when Redman had 17 or more carries as well. And lets be honest, the one loss was on the defense in OT vs the Broncos.

Darkstorm05
12-24-2012, 12:19 AM
When was this? I don't recall him ever even getting to play.

Batch had 10 carries for 22 yards against the Titans. He played about 5 other games, as well. Half the carries I saw him make he would cut away from the gaps he had and run into traffic. It was horrible. Seriously. He had no vision at all.



3 out of 4 games where either of them had 15-17+ carries were 100 yard running games and we won all 3 of them. You my friend, couldn't be more wrong.


Really? How about Dwyers 19 carries against the Chiefs for a whopping 56 yards? Or his 16 carries against Baltimore for 49? 14 Today on the Bengals and all he could muster was 39 yards. Mendy, who you seem to hate, did much better. 12 carries against the Jets, who were pure shit, went for 28 yards. Horrible.

Redman ran 12 times on the Jets and only came up with 25 yards. 13 against Philly for 41, and 11 for 20 against Denver.

Those are shit numbers any way you slice it. I know a few of those are 2 or 3 carries short of the 15 you wanted to see, but come on, are you going to argue that those 2 extra carries would have gone for 30 a pop, every time, and given these guys 6 more 100 yard games? Unlikely.

Mendenhall showed that he can either run it up the middle with enough speed to gain good yardage, or bounce it outside and turn the corner. Dwyer and Redman have historically shown that it results in either an oxygen tent on the sidelines for Dwyer, or an injury for Redman. This is Mendy's bread and butter, and it's getting to be a requirement to be a threat at RB in the modern NFL. The reason teams were shutting down our run lately is because they know Dwyer and Redman lack that speed, so could clog the middle and ignore the run game from that point on.

I am fine with Tomlin as a coach, but believe he didn't handle the RB's right. Coming down on Mendenhall the way he did was silly, when we have Wallace taking plays off, whining about not getting the ball, and dropping or fumbling all over. Ben calls out the OC in the press, and throws away our season, and there are zero repercussions there.

ZoneBlitzer
12-24-2012, 12:26 AM
People don't see it because they haven't let him show it. But I stress again. Consider the numbers.

He has 3 career games with 17 or more carries. The results are as follows:

19 carries for 92 yards with a 4.8 avg and a long of 22.
17 carries for 121 yards with a 7.1 avg and a long of 32 (playoff game).
26 carries for 146 yards with a 5.6 avg and a long of 28.

So he is 3 for 3 with good games as a "feature" back. Including being able to get a splash play in each. He is our best blocking black, can catch out of the backfield and is a menace in short yardage situations which also makes him a menace at the goalline. He wears down defenses and never goes down on the first tackle. I am not sure I remember a back with more fight than this guy has. And looking at the numbers above his best game was a playoff game, so we know he can do it on the big stage.

So answer me this. What isn't to like? Inconsistent running behind an inconsistent line with an inconsistent amount of carries? I agree. I don't like that either but that is on the coaches.

Everyone here is calling for a feature back when we have a guy right under our noses.

So what arguments are going to be made.

1. He gets injured. He had 1 injury this year that kept him out of one game. Compared to Mendenall who we all know the results of his injury.

2. He is too slow. Really? Is that why he consistently has gains of 20 plus and just 2 games ago broke a 22 yarder to the outside? Yes, he is slow. But so was Hines Ward. So was Jerome Bettis. Being fast doesn't mean being good. It certainly helps but it is far from necessary.

3. He hasn't done it consistently. Well, you can't make that argument until we have seen it. If he is 3 for 3 why is he not getting a shot to be the feature guy? Especially given that he is playoff proven and does it when it counts.


Look, it isn't like I am arguing this because I know the guy and like him. I am arguing facts and stats here. I want any back we have to be successful regardless of who starts. I am just curious why everyone seems to be ignoring what is right in front of them.


Edit

Some may wonder why I say 17 carries. Earlier in the season some analyst pointed out how when Ray Rice had 17 or more carries the Ravens won and when less they lost. So I looked at one of the best backs in the league and one from our division which is who we have to compete with most to come up with that number. Keeping that in mind, we won 2 of the 3 games when Redman had 17 or more carries as well. And lets be honest, the one loss was on the defense in OT vs the Broncos.

Ok. You've convinced me. Lets give him a shot!

GoFor7
12-24-2012, 12:43 AM
The blame for the shortcomings at the RB position go above Tomlin in this case. Ownership wanted emphasis on the running game. With Mendenhall still out from the ACL tear, their only options in-house were Dwyer and Redman. There were options in free agency such as Brandon Jacobs and Michael Bush, but they ignored that. Simply put, the Steelers overrated their own talent at the RB position.

Cyphon
12-24-2012, 01:37 AM
Batch had 10 carries for 22 yards against the Titans. He played about 5 other games, as well. Half the carries I saw him make he would cut away from the gaps he had and run into traffic. It was horrible. Seriously. He had no vision at all.

Well, he is on my young guy list to improve so I don't have much too add. I guess we will see overtime what comes of him. I say he at least needs some more reps before making a final decision.

I know a few of those are 2 or 3 carries short of the 15 you wanted to see, but come on, are you going to argue that those 2 extra carries would have gone for 30 a pop, every time, and given these guys 6 more 100 yard games? Unlikely.

It really depends. Rythm is key for an RB. Now maybe those 2 don't go for 30 each but maybe you have 1 for say 10 and 1 for 20+ mixed in there. Coaches decide to run more and you end up with 20-25 carries for 100+

Obviously we are playing a lot of guessing here but still. The top 8 backs in the league (total yards wise) avg 17 or more carries a game. And most are running behind better lines than we have on top of that.

Mendenhall showed that he can either run it up the middle with enough speed to gain good yardage, or bounce it outside and turn the corner.

Redman and Dwyer have both shown the same. Redman is the best up the middle and fighting for yards and.....I dunno who I would call the best outside back. Mendenhall has more speed but as I pointed out, today Dwyer went outside for 10+ and Redman last week bounced outside for a 22 yard gain. So they have the speed to get it done.

The problem is that (in this sense) Haley is predictable. When it is Dwyer and Redman he always tries to shove it up the middle instead of mixing it up. So D's sit on it and can stuff it. Still, Redman fought hard today to convert 2 first downs even when they sat on it. And IMO that is the kind of guy we need. Someone who gets tackled forward instead of backward like Mendy.

or an injury for Redman.

Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't he only had 1 injury that put him out 1 game?

Coming down on Mendenhall the way he did was silly, when we have Wallace taking plays off, whining about not getting the ball, and dropping or fumbling all over. Ben calls out the OC in the press, and throws away our season, and there are zero repercussions there.

I still disagree about Mendenhall. That is the one thing he did handle right. Mendenhall lacks discipline and is too soft a runner. He wasn't getiting the job done and didn't show up for the team. I do agree however, that he didn't handle the others right. Besides his one move where he put Sanders and Wallace as equal on the depth chart (which was BS anyway) he just let everyone keep making mistakes.


@ZoneBlitzer - I just appreciate you reading and considering the argument. Thanks.

Darkstorm05
12-24-2012, 02:11 AM
Well, he is on my young guy list to improve so I don't have much too add. I guess we will see overtime what comes of him. I say he at least needs some more reps before making a final decision.



It really depends. Rythm is key for an RB. Now maybe those 2 don't go for 30 each but maybe you have 1 for say 10 and 1 for 20+ mixed in there. Coaches decide to run more and you end up with 20-25 carries for 100+

Obviously we are playing a lot of guessing here but still. The top 8 backs in the league (total yards wise) avg 17 or more carries a game. And most are running behind better lines than we have on top of that.



Redman and Dwyer have both shown the same. Redman is the best up the middle and fighting for yards and.....I dunno who I would call the best outside back. Mendenhall has more speed but as I pointed out, today Dwyer went outside for 10+ and Redman last week bounced outside for a 22 yard gain. So they have the speed to get it done.

The problem is that (in this sense) Haley is predictable. When it is Dwyer and Redman he always tries to shove it up the middle instead of mixing it up. So D's sit on it and can stuff it. Still, Redman fought hard today to convert 2 first downs even when they sat on it. And IMO that is the kind of guy we need. Someone who gets tackled forward instead of backward like Mendy.



Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't he only had 1 injury that put him out 1 game?



I still disagree about Mendenhall. That is the one thing he did handle right. Mendenhall lacks discipline and is too soft a runner. He wasn't getiting the job done and didn't show up for the team. I do agree however, that he didn't handle the others right. Besides his one move where he put Sanders and Wallace as equal on the depth chart (which was BS anyway) he just let everyone keep making mistakes.


@ZoneBlitzer - I just appreciate you reading and considering the argument. Thanks.

Redman was out for Cincy and Washington, and left for drives in other games, such as after his outside run in Dallas when he left limping. Dwyer went for 16 down the outside once and immediately took himself out because that gassed. This is my primary concern if you take Mendenhall out of the equation. If Redman is injured, Dwyer comes in and gets gassed, and then what? We stop running the ball because our "Feature" backs are worn out? Unacceptable. Yes, the best backs take 25+ carries. Dwyer has proven that 15-17 is his limit of endurance, and Redman has had trouble with injuries this year.

That just doesn't give me any faith in their ability to be a feature back. Compare these two to guys like Adrian Peterson, who puts up runs around the corner for longs of 48 and 82 yards, and averages 13.8 when he runs around the right edge. That's almost as much as Dwyers longest. I don't want to settle for our run game scraping by with these two, because that's what we did this year, and it screwed us over bad. I want a top 15 rusher out there, and Mendy has been that during his healthy seasons.

Cyphon
12-24-2012, 02:26 AM
That just doesn't give me any faith in their ability to be a feature back.

Ok. I will give you the injury thing can be a concern so we add some depth behind Redman. That is Dwyer at 2, Batch at 3 and Rainey as 4 or a new guy and Rainey to wideout as I suggested.

Then again, Batch has a bad history of injury as well so he may need to go regardless of potential. So I guess I am with you as far as adding depth but I stand by Redman as a starter unless injuries to become a major problem.

Compare these two to guys like Adrian Peterson, who puts up runs around the corner for longs of 48 and 82 yards, and averages 13.8 when he runs around the right edge. That's almost as much as Dwyers longest.

It really isn't fair to compare to the best in the league. Even you say below you want top 15, not the best. Redman can easily be top 15 based on the numbers I see from the current top 15 backs and what he has done.

I don't want to settle for our run game scraping by with these two, because that's what we did this year, and it screwed us over bad. I want a top 15 rusher out there, and Mendy has been that during his healthy seasons.

No. What screwed us over was how Tomlin handled the backs (not letting someone be the main starter) and injuries to the line which made us bottom 5 in the league in run blocking.

I stand by Redman being fine with a consistent role and a line that isn't terrible.